My small council would be Hand of the King: Hodor Lord Commander: Janos Slynt Master of Whisperers: Karl Tanner Master of Coin: Robert Baratheon Master of Ships: Khal Drogo Master of Laws: Viserys Targaryen Grand Maester: Joffrey Baratheon
Tyrion discovers that Little Finger has been running the books and the number don't match up in Clash, on top of the mess he's made by doing deals, trading money back and forth between Houses and making everyone indebted to each other, but particularly indebted the crown to the iron bank and Tywin Lannister. We know Little Finger isn't inept at all and it's being done intentionally. Therefore regardless of if Robert held a tourney every single year since he took over, it's only been 10 years, and it's clear Little Finger is filtering money away from the crowns finances and spending it in loans, and other ways to plunge the the Seven kingdoms into debt and additional chaos, therefore it's not Robert's spending that's the problem, it's that his small council members are being left to their own devices and schemes, with little to no oversight.
As I understood it, Littlefinger got the crown in debt, yes, but only in order to make more money in the long run, and place his people in key positions, people loyal only to him.
Thos small concil scene were always so much fun to watch. It's very nice to get so much more contextual info on this. I watch your channel whitout having read the books, they're a bit long for my reading habbit, so your channel really is the best next things. Keep at it, all your videos are great!
I would give it a try they may seems long but they are easy to read. For me it was much easier to read them rather than "The Hearth of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad.
Ned on his first day as hand: "ok tell me the news" Little finger: "we are in debt" Ned: "WHAT THE HELL? HOW? I JUST GOT HERE I HAVENT EVEN HAD TIME TO RECOVER FROM THE TIME ZONES"
Actually the Hand of the king is far closer to a "Prime Minister" because the Hand has far more power in governance compared to the vice president.Prime Minister is a better comparison.
son goku That argument makes no sense, as far more countries have a prime minister than a Vice President. Currently there are 64 countries in the world with a position of "Vice President" in their government, whilst about 140 countries worldwide has the position of Prime minister
Totally right the hand of the king is nothing like a Vice President, they practically rule the kingdom while VP’s have mainly become figureheads, and they don’t become the king if the king dies...
I like to think the full cabinet is: King Hand of king Grand Maester High Septom Master of Coin Master of Whispers Master of Ships Master of Laws Commander of City Watch Lord Commander of kings Guard Kings Justice Other titles I remember are: Special advisor Commander of Army Commander of Fleets Regent Heir Prince between the seas/lord of dragon stone
Hand of the king: Ned Stark Grandmaester: Luwin Lord Commander: Oberyn Martell Master of Law: Tywin Lannister Master of whisperers: Varys Master of Ships: Yara Greyjoy Master of coin: Doran Martell Master of war: Randyll Tarly
Nice! I'll give it a shot of my own. I like your choices, but I'll make different ones, just for the sake of the argument. Hand of the King: Tyrion Lannister Grandmaester: Aemon Targaryen (Samwell Tarly, when Aemon kicks the bucket.) Lord Commander: Arthur Dayne Master of Law: Eddard Stark Master of Whisperers: Bloodraven or Brandon Stark (If they're busy being trees, give me Jojen Reed.) Master of Ships: Victarion Greyjoy Master of Coin: Xaro Xhoan Daxos (Master of War: Brynden Tully)
@@megamatze7858 I'd trust him more than Littlefinger, cause his corruption would probably be more for financial than political gain... but yeah, Doran Martell is a better choice. Another candidate would be Wyman Manderly imo. White Harbour is doing pretty well, so he's probably not horrible with money, plus he's loyal.
Comprehensive video, it really helps visualize the going ons in King's Landing. You made one small mistake though: Nymeria is Oberyn's second oldest daughter, the oldest is Obara.
Actually they killed Varys in the show too. Haven't you noticed how the show directors bad writing has left him almost useless? No more clever lines, no more backstory lore, just another Unsullied with no weapons but better clothes that follows Tyrion/Daenerys around.
@@EarthChampion_TophBeifong And what is Varys supposed to do now? Grab a sword and go kill white walkers? He's not a fighter and at this point in the story, only the final fight is left.
These videos have encouraged me to actually read the books, rather than look at the size of them and get discouraged. I'm hoping I love them as much as so many people seem to!!
@@Ignisan_66 house dayne is more famous but not nearly the most powerfull after the martels,that honour goes to the Yronwoods who used to be high kimgs of dorne
Queen: Daenerys Targaryen Hand of the Queen: Jon Snow Lord Commander: Briene of Tarth Grand Maester: Samwell Tarly Master of Coin: Tyrion Lannister Master of Whispers: Arya Stark Master of Ships: Yara Greyjoy Master of Laws: Davos the Onion Knight Queen of the North: Sansa Stark
The worst small council I could think of (books): King: Aegon the Unworthy, Queen: Lady Stoneheart Hand of the King: Merrett Frey Lord Commander: Meryn Trant Grand Maester: Aegon Frey Master of Coin: Janos Slynt Master of Whisperers: Ser Pounce Master of Ships: Khal Moro (the show version) Master of Laws: Ramsay Snow
Hand of the King:Vice President Lord commander: Defense secretary Grand maester: Chief science advisor Master of coins: Treasury secretary Master of whisperers: Director of the CIA or intelligence Master of ships: Transport minister Master of laws: Speaker of the House, Head of the congress
My Small Council (In an ideal scenario) Hand of the King: Tyrion Lannister Lord Commander: Ser Arthur Dayne Grand Measter: Measter Luwin Master of Laws: Eddard Stark Master of Coin: Renly Baratheon Master of Ships: Davos Seaworth Master of Whisperers: Brandon Stark
One of biggest flaws of the small council was because it was a small council. The concentration of power very quickly dangerous. Maybe to have some sort of cohesion, maybe a representative of the great families could've been also present as ambassadors to send orders back to the regions for the lords to enforce specific things
My small council would be: Hand Of The King: Davos Seaworth Lord Commander: Karl Tanner Grand Maester: Ramsay Bolton Master Of Coin: Olenna Tyrell Master Of Whisperers: Bran Stark Master Of Ships: Yara Greyjoy Master Of Laws: Alliser Thorne
My small Council would be: Hand of the king: Stannis Baratheon. Lord commander of the kingsguard: Brania of Tarth Grand maester: Qybun. Master of coin: the queen of thorns of house Tyrell. Master of ships: sir Davos seaworth. Master of laws: Alliser Throne. Master of Whispers: Brandon Stark. Master of War: Blackfish of house Tully
The perfect Small Council: Hand of the King - Jaime Lannister Lord Commander - Podrick Payne Grand Maester - Qyburn Master of Coin - Tyrion Lannister Master of Ships - Euron Greyjoy Master of Whisperers - Brandon Stark Master of Laws - Berrick Dondarrion
I reckon it was more *Robert's* doing that the realm became indebted, rather than Littlefinger's. The latter was the Master of Coin, yes, though in that role, there's not much you can do to *prevent* debt when you're working (less "working", more "slaving", really; you don't say "no" to a king such as this one) for a king who's throwing tourneys here, lavish feasts there, etc etc. And it's interesting that only *Varys* was called "The Spider", because he had a "web of spies". Every Master of Whisperers has a bloody web of spies. ...I also wonder why the Valaryons and Celtigars headed to Westeros (conveniently) before the Doom occurred...🤔
Hand of the King: Tywin Lannister Lord Commander: Barristan Selmy Master of Coin: Tyrion Lannister Master of Laws: Eddard Stark. Master of Whispers: Varys Master of Ships: Stannis Baratheon. Grand Maester: Luwin If i could choose from people from different times, i would choose: Hand of the King: Tywin Lannister Lord Commander: Barristan Selmy Master of Coin: Eleana Targaryen. Master of Laws: Stannis Baratheon Master of Ships: Allyn Velaryon Master of Whispers: Varys (I have a personal distaste for Brynder Rivers) Grand Maester: Luwin
There is no master of war, at least as far as i know. The closest there is to that title is the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, since they are generally tasked with the command of the king's military forces in times of war. However, the Hand of the King come close to that too, since in times of war the Hand serves almost like a marshal. Oh, and also, there is the honorary title of "Protector of the realm", wich is the title that gives a man complete control of the Armies under the King, this title is generally held by the king himself, unless he is not fit to command his own armies. Like for instance, King Aegon during the Dance of Dragon after being wounded in battle, gave the title of Protector of the realm to his younger brother, Aemond, to command his army alongside lord commander Criston Cole. And also Queen Rhaenyra, who made her husband, King Consort Daemon Targaryen as lord protector and he led her armies alongside her hand of the King, Lord Corlys Velaryon. Also the Master of Ships is an additional militar advisor for the king, since they are in command of all the Royal fleet, in fact, Stannis Baratheon place as Master of Ships was something that greatly helped him during the war of Five kings, since before Leaving Kingslanding after Jon Arryn death, Stannis took almost the whole Royal fleet with him, since he had total control of them.
@@bigweiner4217 he's right thou. She created the post. If not the King/Hand personally lead the army, there are the four "Wardens" to deal with defense/smaller conflicts (book and show). I guess that's specifically to not give power over all armed forces to one single "master of war", but rather keep it decentralized.
I'd shake it up a bit, Patchface as Master Ships, Biter as Master of Whispers, Timmet Son of Timmet is Lord Commander, and Hand of the King, well obviously that job goes to Hodor. Can't forsee any problems there at all
Hand: Tyrion Ships: Yara Laws: Davos Coin: Ollena, later ... that is a tricky one... probably Sansa Whispers: Varys :D ... my spider is the only spider I can stand (later.. um ... Bran i think) Commander: Brienne Maester: Aemon and later Sam (Only character I can think of for the job really.... no other highly educated character after Aemon)
Honestly she has nobody else unless they start introducing new characters. Maybe another member of her Kingsguard or some lord that lives near Kings Landing like House Rykker or Rosby. She said she was hiring the Golden Company, so maybe she plans on giving Harry Strickland or whoever leads them on the show a position. Maybe she could raise other houses to be lords of the Reach, Stormlands, Riverlands and Dorne and give them positions? Sadly though I have a feeling they aren’t going to focus on stuff like that in the next season.
It's sad how little world building is in the show these days No idea what's happening in Dorne, the Reach, the Stormlands, the Westerland, the Vale or the Wall
Small council, but if it were women characters. Queen: Margaery Tyrell Hand of the Queen: Sansa Stark Lord commander: Brienne of Tarth Grand Maester: Talisa Master of Coin: Missandei Master of Whispers: Olenna Tyrell Master of Ships: Yara Greyjoy Master of Laws: Arya Stark
Actually, the hand of the King is equivalent to a Prime Minister. He actually runs the country/kingdom(s) for the King. The Vice Presidential role is not as executive as the PM, nor does it have the same level of responsibility.
It's interesting to notice that, although it's not really talked much about on the show, on the books Stannis is considered a master naval commander, in fact, some even believe that if he was in charge of the ships during the battle of Blackwater Bay he could've saved most of his ships, however, to appease his servants of his wife familly, he gave command of the ships to a cousin/brother of his wife, however the man wasn't very experienced and sent Stannis fleet to Tyrion Ambush. Stannis on the books was almost single handly responsible for the defeat of the Greyjoys during the Greyjoy rebelion too, it's in fact his greatest feat, the man was able to crush the Iron fleet under the command of Victarion Greyjoy, considered by many one of the greatest naval commanders who ever lived (Although Stannis had help from the Redwyne fleet, one of the three naval super powers of westeros). Stannis could be a great master of laws too, he would break the corruption of the Gold Cloaks (Although on the books it's said that he and Jon Arryn tried to do that), but it wouldn't make him near as effective as acting as master of ships, as like i said, the man was a beast commanding on the sea. I dare to say that Stannis is close to Allyn Velaryon and Corlys Velaryon as admiral.
@@monetizedyay6827 Well he literally cut of the tips of all of Davos’s fingers on one of his hands because he was a smuggler, even though he was the only reason why Stannis and his man were able to survive the siege of storms end. So clearly him being in that position though not corrupt, would be too brutal and would create too many Enemies for the crown and baratheons in general.
Might be misremembering it since its been a while, but wasn't Master of War a title Cersei made up to basically try and stack the Small Council in her favor with supporters?
2:10 Robert could have demanded they elected a new grand maester and threatened he would abolish the position otherwise. At the end of the day, maesters are employed by lords for their wisdom and I doubt the citadel would refuse a well-described request for another grandmaester, since even tough they are impartial, the new king wanted a whole new small council (would have meant also replacing Varys).
I would say the Hand is closer to a Prime Minister than a Vice President. While the king is the ceremonial leader wielding the full power of the crown (head of state), the Hand is the head of government, getting the daily work done.
Perfect Small Council at the beginning of GoT Hand: Stannis Baratheon Lord Commander: Barritan Selmy Grand Maester: Marwyn Master of Coin: Leyton or Baelor Hightower Master of Whispers: Varys Master of Ships: Monford Velaryon Master of Laws: Kevan Lannister
Hand of king: Ned Lord Commander: Syrio Grand Maester: that Targaryan dude from the night's watch Master of coin: Olenna Tyrell Master of Whispers: Varys Master of ships: Oberyn Martell Master of Laws: Davos
My small council would be: Lord Commander: Hot Pie Hand of the King: Robin Arryn Master of Coin: Belwas Master of Ships: Aurane Waters Grand Maester: Biter Master of Laws: Patchface Master of Whisperers: Jalabar Xho
King and Queen (both equal in power): Jon Snow (Aegon Targaryen) and Daenerys Targaryen *Hand of the King* : Tyrion Lannister King's Guard: Jorah Mormont, Brienne of Tarth, The Hound, Bronn, Daario, Syrio Forrel and Arrya Stark. *Lord Commander* : Barristan Selmy and/or Robb Stark *Grand Maester* : Aemon Targaeryen *Master of Coin* : Samwell Tarly *Master of Whispers* : Bran Stark *Master of Ships* : Davos Seaworth *Master of Laws* : Ollena Tyrell
'equivalent of vice president in our real world' *wrong* Think 'Secretary of State'. Vice president would be the heir to the throne... Basically 0 legal authority until the bigshot himself croaks or abdicates, etc.
@@kingad8869 Yes, he acted in the King's name and essentially ruled the nation. That's why I said he's more like a Prime Minister than a VP, who has no power
How about the master of war? Cersei mentioned him in one of the later seasons. Was it a one-time thing? was it maybe in the place of the lord commander? any clue here?
That is a poor comparison, the hand to a vice president. The Hand and his responsibilities are comparable to a Chief of Staff. A V.P may be better ascribed to an Envoy of some sort in Asoiaf.
Hand of the king: Tyrion Lord commander: Jon snow Grand master: Samwell Tarly Master of coin: dk Master of wisperers: bran stark Master of ships: Theons sister I forgot her name Master of laws: ser Davos
Velaryons didn't had dragons, but the statement that they don't have magic controlling blood is false, any Valyrian can potentially control a dragon, the Targaryens married the Velaryons to keep their ability tor ride dragons. Aegon the Conqueror's mother was a Velaryon.
Barristan the Bold is still alive in the books and is serving Queen Daenerys Targaryen and is ready 2 go 2 war. The Battle of Fire 🔥. Viserion and Rhaegal escaped the pyramid of Meereen.
yes and no; the thing about feudal societies, GoT/ASoIaF included, is that every House has its own troops, and each head of the house commands the troops sworn to their house, meaning a Master of War position would be irrelevant, as it was when Cersei offered it to Kevan, her uncle, in Season 5. When we next hear about the position, in Season 8, as it is offered to Grey Worm by Daenerys, the army in question is much more centralised and under her direct command, making this position more relevant.
Hopefully Aurane Waters is on the list most likely allies to Dany. but seeing as how most Targaryen loyalists in Westeros are already dead, it might be too much of an ask
07 seconds in //record scratch// ... Dude the hand is obviously equivalent to the Prime Minister of the King. In matters of succession and let's face it influence, a vice president is more like a little princeling. Unless this video was meant to reflect the Cheney administration ;)
@@360bandman yeah that comment was me before reading the books, Aegon the 5th is maestor aemons brother and Maekars 4th son, squire to ser duncan the tall and known as Egg, and he was the reason for the burning of summerhall right?
Arthur Teixeira // Pretty sure Cersei came up with that for Kevan Lannister prior to the High Sparrow storyline. Still fabricated it from thin air, just earlier.
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My small council would be
Hand of the King: Hodor
Lord Commander: Janos Slynt
Master of Whisperers: Karl Tanner
Master of Coin: Robert Baratheon
Master of Ships: Khal Drogo
Master of Laws: Viserys Targaryen
Grand Maester: Joffrey Baratheon
Finally, a man with some sense.
When everyone dies, you'll rule without any problems
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Lmao I would love to see this council meeting
Hodor!
"Are you telling me the crown is 3 million in debt?"
"I'm teling you the crown is *6 million* in debt"
Ned: ight imma head out
Basically
*Ight, I'mma head out.*
Lmao
@@Maw0 Ight, my head is out
I am not gonna be here when the bank come for his money.
Tyrion discovers that Little Finger has been running the books and the number don't match up in Clash, on top of the mess he's made by doing deals, trading money back and forth between Houses and making everyone indebted to each other, but particularly indebted the crown to the iron bank and Tywin Lannister. We know Little Finger isn't inept at all and it's being done intentionally. Therefore regardless of if Robert held a tourney every single year since he took over, it's only been 10 years, and it's clear Little Finger is filtering money away from the crowns finances and spending it in loans, and other ways to plunge the the Seven kingdoms into debt and additional chaos, therefore it's not Robert's spending that's the problem, it's that his small council members are being left to their own devices and schemes, with little to no oversight.
"Chaos is a ladder"
Which was Robert's fault for never coming to these meetings. So in Littlefinger speak, it would be Robert's debt lol.
As I understood it, Littlefinger got the crown in debt, yes, but only in order to make more money in the long run, and place his people in key positions, people loyal only to him.
Yes
15 years* ;)
"The Small Council grows smaller every day."
Not small enough
lopfi lottfi not small enough
Thos small concil scene were always so much fun to watch. It's very nice to get so much more contextual info on this. I watch your channel whitout having read the books, they're a bit long for my reading habbit, so your channel really is the best next things. Keep at it, all your videos are great!
tomxaros48 I’d recommend giving the audiobooks a try, ‘audible’ is quite good :-)
I would give it a try they may seems long but they are easy to read. For me it was much easier to read them rather than "The Hearth of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad.
just read the books you are missing so much by not reading them
Those were the best scenes
Ned on his first day as hand: "ok tell me the news"
Little finger: "we are in debt"
Ned: "WHAT THE HELL? HOW? I JUST GOT HERE I HAVENT EVEN HAD TIME TO RECOVER FROM THE TIME ZONES"
Littlefinger, probably: "timezones don't change along lines of latitude, you know."
@@vesuvyan "Timezones are a ladder. Money is a ladder. I am a ladder, if you're trusting enough to climb me."
@@metalltitan Haha clever
The Lords of Small Matters!
Hey... A Question.. or a possible video... What About the Master of War?
Actually the Hand of the king is far closer to a "Prime Minister" because the Hand has far more power in governance compared to the vice president.Prime Minister is a better comparison.
I agree. The Queen or Prince is more like the Vice President
son goku not every country has Vice Presidents either so that doesn’t make sense
son goku That argument makes no sense, as far more countries have a prime minister than a Vice President. Currently there are 64 countries in the world with a position of "Vice President" in their government, whilst about 140 countries worldwide has the position of Prime minister
George RR Martin himself said the position of Hand is "like a Prime Minister". I agree with Bloody Doggy
Totally right the hand of the king is nothing like a Vice President, they practically rule the kingdom while VP’s have mainly become figureheads, and they don’t become the king if the king dies...
*A picture of Jaime*
"So yeah... that's the small council."
I like to think the full cabinet is:
King
Hand of king
Grand Maester
High Septom
Master of Coin
Master of Whispers
Master of Ships
Master of Laws
Commander of City Watch
Lord Commander of kings Guard
Kings Justice
Other titles I remember are:
Special advisor
Commander of Army
Commander of Fleets
Regent
Heir
Prince between the seas/lord of dragon stone
Don't forget the newest cheer master of War but still they they all be my choices
Master of War Daenerys gave 2 Greyworm after the war was won.
Hand of the king: Ned Stark
Grandmaester: Luwin
Lord Commander: Oberyn Martell
Master of Law: Tywin Lannister
Master of whisperers: Varys
Master of Ships: Yara Greyjoy
Master of coin: Doran Martell
Master of war: Randyll Tarly
Nice! I'll give it a shot of my own. I like your choices, but I'll make different ones, just for the sake of the argument.
Hand of the King: Tyrion Lannister
Grandmaester: Aemon Targaryen (Samwell Tarly, when Aemon kicks the bucket.)
Lord Commander: Arthur Dayne
Master of Law: Eddard Stark
Master of Whisperers: Bloodraven or Brandon Stark (If they're busy being trees, give me Jojen Reed.)
Master of Ships: Victarion Greyjoy
Master of Coin: Xaro Xhoan Daxos
(Master of War: Brynden Tully)
@@gnaagren I like that you put Arthur Dayne and Blackfish in it, but I personally wouldn`t trust Xaro xD
@@megamatze7858 I'd trust him more than Littlefinger, cause his corruption would probably be more for financial than political gain... but yeah, Doran Martell is a better choice.
Another candidate would be Wyman Manderly imo. White Harbour is doing pretty well, so he's probably not horrible with money, plus he's loyal.
Comprehensive video, it really helps visualize the going ons in King's Landing. You made one small mistake though: Nymeria is Oberyn's second oldest daughter, the oldest is Obara.
Isn't it funny how Verys is the only one left alive? He just keeps on swimming like he said
Conor Forhead only in the show, in the books Pyter and Stannis and Barriston are still alive
varys** not verys
Actually they killed Varys in the show too.
Haven't you noticed how the show directors bad writing has left him almost useless? No more clever lines, no more backstory lore, just another Unsullied with no weapons but better clothes that follows Tyrion/Daenerys around.
@@EarthChampion_TophBeifong And what is Varys supposed to do now? Grab a sword and go kill white walkers? He's not a fighter and at this point in the story, only the final fight is left.
This aged well
These videos have encouraged me to actually read the books, rather than look at the size of them and get discouraged. I'm hoping I love them as much as so many people seem to!!
You should do a video on the 2nd and 3rd most powerful Lords of each of the 9 regions or Westeros. Not counting the Lord Paramount's of course
That would be a really great one!
@@Ignisan_66 the Stormlands would be House Swan, they're rich and powerful. I think for the Crownlands it might be House Velaryon. Good choices!
Troll Master isn't house rykker reduced to landed knights after sack of kings landing?
@@Ignisan_66 house dayne is more famous but not nearly the most powerfull after the martels,that honour goes to the Yronwoods who used to be high kimgs of dorne
Reach:
Hightower, Redwyne, Tarly
North:
Manderly, Bolton, Karstark
Crownlands:
Celtigar, Velayron, Rosby
Stormlands:
Estermont, Swann, Dondarrion
Dorne:
Yronwood, Santagar, Dayne
Riverlands:
Blackwood, Mallister, Frey
Westerlands:
Reyne, Marbrand, Swyft
Vale:
Royce, Corbray, Baelish
Queen: Daenerys Targaryen
Hand of the Queen: Jon Snow
Lord Commander: Briene of Tarth
Grand Maester: Samwell Tarly
Master of Coin: Tyrion Lannister
Master of Whispers: Arya Stark
Master of Ships: Yara Greyjoy
Master of Laws: Davos the Onion Knight
Queen of the North: Sansa Stark
QuEeN iN tHe NoRtH😒
ChristInGreta I like how you added Queen of the North
Nobert Mathonsi who should’ve ruled the north?
To see a non-Velaryon in the position of Master of ships is an insult to the very position itself. Since the position was practically made for them
Bit of a slap to the face to the house who holds the title “lord of the tides”
@@Ignisan_66 thats what happens when the king at the time hates them
I believe this may be the first non specific version of "IRISH AND COLORED NEED NOT APPLY".....
I believe this may be the first non specific version of "IRISH AND COLORED NEED NOT APPLY".....
I believe this may be the first non specific version of "IRISH AND COLORED NEED NOT APPLY".....
The worst small council I could think of (books):
King: Aegon the Unworthy,
Queen: Lady Stoneheart
Hand of the King: Merrett Frey
Lord Commander: Meryn Trant
Grand Maester: Aegon Frey
Master of Coin: Janos Slynt
Master of Whisperers: Ser Pounce
Master of Ships: Khal Moro (the show version)
Master of Laws: Ramsay Snow
Hand of the King:Vice President
Lord commander: Defense secretary
Grand maester: Chief science advisor
Master of coins: Treasury secretary
Master of whisperers: Director of the CIA or intelligence
Master of ships: Transport minister
Master of laws: Speaker of the House, Head of the congress
That's the worst comparing I ever see
the small council grows smaller and smaller
Congratulations you're quite a jokester
My Small Council (In an ideal scenario)
Hand of the King: Tyrion Lannister
Lord Commander: Ser Arthur Dayne
Grand Measter: Measter Luwin
Master of Laws: Eddard Stark
Master of Coin: Renly Baratheon
Master of Ships: Davos Seaworth
Master of Whisperers: Brandon Stark
Could you please Detail all members of the Council through the books?
One of biggest flaws of the small council was because it was a small council. The concentration of power very quickly dangerous.
Maybe to have some sort of cohesion, maybe a representative of the great families could've been also present as ambassadors to send orders back to the regions for the lords to enforce specific things
Small council was a council not a parliment. They didn't have power they just advised King
My small council would be:
Hand Of The King: Davos Seaworth
Lord Commander: Karl Tanner
Grand Maester: Ramsay Bolton
Master Of Coin: Olenna Tyrell
Master Of Whisperers: Bran Stark
Master Of Ships: Yara Greyjoy
Master Of Laws: Alliser Thorne
My small Council would be:
Hand of the king: Stannis Baratheon.
Lord commander of the kingsguard: Brania of Tarth
Grand maester: Qybun.
Master of coin: the queen of thorns of house Tyrell.
Master of ships: sir Davos seaworth.
Master of laws: Alliser Throne.
Master of Whispers: Brandon Stark.
Master of War: Blackfish of house Tully
Why would ramsay be the maester lmao thats retarded
Ser Alliser Thorne? Seriously?
@@shosty575 man always went by the book, makes sense
@@matthewsteele99 ok 🙂
The perfect Small Council:
Hand of the King - Jaime Lannister
Lord Commander - Podrick Payne
Grand Maester - Qyburn
Master of Coin - Tyrion Lannister
Master of Ships - Euron Greyjoy
Master of Whisperers - Brandon Stark
Master of Laws - Berrick Dondarrion
Hand of the king should be tyrion
hand is more like the prime minister, but then the US does not have a pm due to presidential system
Still, even then the Presidential Chief of Staff is a better translation.
Coffee And A Book Yeah, basically absolutely nothing about Vice President fits the description of the Hand of the King
I reckon it was more *Robert's* doing that the realm became indebted, rather than Littlefinger's. The latter was the Master of Coin, yes, though in that role, there's not much you can do to *prevent* debt when you're working (less "working", more "slaving", really; you don't say "no" to a king such as this one) for a king who's throwing tourneys here, lavish feasts there, etc etc.
And it's interesting that only *Varys* was called "The Spider", because he had a "web of spies". Every Master of Whisperers has a bloody web of spies.
...I also wonder why the Valaryons and Celtigars headed to Westeros (conveniently) before the Doom occurred...🤔
This channel is the only thing that's making me care about GoT-Lore/history
Just found your channel and have been binge watching these vids!
Hand of the King: Tywin Lannister
Lord Commander: Barristan Selmy
Master of Coin: Tyrion Lannister
Master of Laws: Eddard Stark.
Master of Whispers: Varys
Master of Ships: Stannis Baratheon.
Grand Maester: Luwin
If i could choose from people from different times, i would choose:
Hand of the King: Tywin Lannister
Lord Commander: Barristan Selmy
Master of Coin: Eleana Targaryen.
Master of Laws: Stannis Baratheon
Master of Ships: Allyn Velaryon
Master of Whispers: Varys (I have a personal distaste for Brynder Rivers)
Grand Maester: Luwin
Can you make a video comparing the show and book timelines por favor
You missed master of war. Also, I thought master of whisperers was a position made just for Varys
Master of war was created by cersei, and didn't exist before that as far as I know
There is no master of war, at least as far as i know. The closest there is to that title is the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, since they are generally tasked with the command of the king's military forces in times of war. However, the Hand of the King come close to that too, since in times of war the Hand serves almost like a marshal.
Oh, and also, there is the honorary title of "Protector of the realm", wich is the title that gives a man complete control of the Armies under the King, this title is generally held by the king himself, unless he is not fit to command his own armies. Like for instance, King Aegon during the Dance of Dragon after being wounded in battle, gave the title of Protector of the realm to his younger brother, Aemond, to command his army alongside lord commander Criston Cole.
And also Queen Rhaenyra, who made her husband, King Consort Daemon Targaryen as lord protector and he led her armies alongside her hand of the King, Lord Corlys Velaryon.
Also the Master of Ships is an additional militar advisor for the king, since they are in command of all the Royal fleet, in fact, Stannis Baratheon place as Master of Ships was something that greatly helped him during the war of Five kings, since before Leaving Kingslanding after Jon Arryn death, Stannis took almost the whole Royal fleet with him, since he had total control of them.
@@KitGusta there is actually a master of war. Cersie tried to offer it to Kevin, then he turned it down
@@bigweiner4217 he's right thou. She created the post. If not the King/Hand personally lead the army, there are the four "Wardens" to deal with defense/smaller conflicts (book and show). I guess that's specifically to not give power over all armed forces to one single "master of war", but rather keep it decentralized.
I appreciate your reaching all this for me!!!
What would your small council be if you were king at the start of the first book?
I would keep everyone except Littlefinger and Renly. Make Tyrion Master of coin and Davos as Master of Laws
I would put Stannis as Hand
Ned as master of laws
Tyrion as master of coin
Paxter Redwyne as master of ships
I'd shake it up a bit, Patchface as Master Ships, Biter as Master of Whispers, Timmet Son of Timmet is Lord Commander, and Hand of the King, well obviously that job goes to Hodor.
Can't forsee any problems there at all
Maurice Garvey roge for master of laws
Hand: Tyrion
Ships: Yara
Laws: Davos
Coin: Ollena, later ... that is a tricky one... probably Sansa
Whispers: Varys :D ... my spider is the only spider I can stand (later.. um ... Bran i think)
Commander: Brienne
Maester: Aemon and later Sam (Only character I can think of for the job really.... no other highly educated character after Aemon)
I really appreciate your videos they make the Season 8 wait not boring
Question: who’s on the small council now? Cersei, Qyburn and Euron. Who else
Honestly she has nobody else unless they start introducing new characters. Maybe another member of her Kingsguard or some lord that lives near Kings Landing like House Rykker or Rosby. She said she was hiring the Golden Company, so maybe she plans on giving Harry Strickland or whoever leads them on the show a position.
Maybe she could raise other houses to be lords of the Reach, Stormlands, Riverlands and Dorne and give them positions?
Sadly though I have a feeling they aren’t going to focus on stuff like that in the next season.
It's sad how little world building is in the show these days
No idea what's happening in Dorne, the Reach, the Stormlands, the Westerland, the Vale or the Wall
Small council, but if it were women characters.
Queen: Margaery Tyrell
Hand of the Queen: Sansa Stark
Lord commander: Brienne of Tarth
Grand Maester: Talisa
Master of Coin: Missandei
Master of Whispers: Olenna Tyrell
Master of Ships: Yara Greyjoy
Master of Laws: Arya Stark
Actually, the hand of the King is equivalent to a Prime Minister. He actually runs the country/kingdom(s) for the King.
The Vice Presidential role is not as executive as the PM, nor does it have the same level of responsibility.
I expected Stannis to be Master of Laws it would fit him best xD
He could do both. I think Robert didn’t want Renly to feel left out, he wasn’t the brightest spark in the shed
It's interesting to notice that, although it's not really talked much about on the show, on the books Stannis is considered a master naval commander, in fact, some even believe that if he was in charge of the ships during the battle of Blackwater Bay he could've saved most of his ships, however, to appease his servants of his wife familly, he gave command of the ships to a cousin/brother of his wife, however the man wasn't very experienced and sent Stannis fleet to Tyrion Ambush.
Stannis on the books was almost single handly responsible for the defeat of the Greyjoys during the Greyjoy rebelion too, it's in fact his greatest feat, the man was able to crush the Iron fleet under the command of Victarion Greyjoy, considered by many one of the greatest naval commanders who ever lived (Although Stannis had help from the Redwyne fleet, one of the three naval super powers of westeros).
Stannis could be a great master of laws too, he would break the corruption of the Gold Cloaks (Although on the books it's said that he and Jon Arryn tried to do that), but it wouldn't make him near as effective as acting as master of ships, as like i said, the man was a beast commanding on the sea. I dare to say that Stannis is close to Allyn Velaryon and Corlys Velaryon as admiral.
I believe it was because they felt like he was too much of an extremist in his decisions (his suggestion to ban brothels)
But I agree nonetheless
@@monetizedyay6827 Well he literally cut of the tips of all of Davos’s fingers on one of his hands because he was a smuggler, even though he was the only reason why Stannis and his man were able to survive the siege of storms end. So clearly him being in that position though not corrupt, would be too brutal and would create too many Enemies for the crown and baratheons in general.
Is there not also a master of war?
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I love how the show randomly just made up the “master of war”
Might be misremembering it since its been a while, but wasn't Master of War a title Cersei made up to basically try and stack the Small Council in her favor with supporters?
2:10 Robert could have demanded they elected a new grand maester and threatened he would abolish the position otherwise. At the end of the day, maesters are employed by lords for their wisdom and I doubt the citadel would refuse a well-described request for another grandmaester, since even tough they are impartial, the new king wanted a whole new small council (would have meant also replacing Varys).
I would say the Hand is closer to a Prime Minister than a Vice President. While the king is the ceremonial leader wielding the full power of the crown (head of state), the Hand is the head of government, getting the daily work done.
I like that you were able to not insult him instead of being a jerk like a commenter above you.
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At the beginning, you forgot the title of master of war.
Hand of the King is more Chief of Staff than Vice President. Amazing video as always!
7:57 but this doesn't mean Velaryon's have not been able to tame dragons
Yep, Velaryons are able to tame dragons, Addam Velaryon, Laenor Velaryon, and Laena Velaryon where all known Dragon riders of House Velaryon.
@@KitGusta Basically any Valyrian can potentially tame a dragon, it just happened that the Velaryons didn't had any dragon back in Valyria.
The Hand of the King is more like a Prime Minister or Executive Director. A Vice President does almost nothing; the Hand does everything.
And here's the world's smallest violin playing the world's saddest little song just for the small council :))
Perfect Small Council at the beginning of GoT
Hand: Stannis Baratheon
Lord Commander: Barritan Selmy
Grand Maester: Marwyn
Master of Coin: Leyton or Baelor Hightower
Master of Whispers: Varys
Master of Ships: Monford Velaryon
Master of Laws: Kevan Lannister
Hand of king: Ned
Lord Commander: Syrio
Grand Maester: that Targaryan dude from the night's watch
Master of coin: Olenna Tyrell
Master of Whispers: Varys
Master of ships: Oberyn Martell
Master of Laws: Davos
Crazy to think that pycelle was appointed during aegon the 5th
Anyone who knew poisons, would tell you it was obvious he was poisoned
Wasn't there a Master of War too?
That was created by cersei
You forgot about the Master of War...
It didn't exist until war of the five kings
0:05 I think about the hand of the king as PM rather than VP.
I suppose it depends on the country. If we are basing it off of Europe you would be right, but in the U.S. V.P. is essentially the 2nd in command.
My small council would be:
Lord Commander: Hot Pie
Hand of the King: Robin Arryn
Master of Coin: Belwas
Master of Ships: Aurane Waters
Grand Maester: Biter
Master of Laws: Patchface
Master of Whisperers: Jalabar Xho
Very informative thank u!!!
amazing video as always, did anyone NOTICE when Ned said MAester and the way he said it?? is that another way of saying maester??
King and Queen (both equal in power): Jon Snow (Aegon Targaryen) and Daenerys Targaryen
*Hand of the King* : Tyrion Lannister
King's Guard: Jorah Mormont, Brienne of Tarth, The Hound, Bronn, Daario, Syrio Forrel and Arrya Stark.
*Lord Commander* : Barristan Selmy and/or Robb Stark
*Grand Maester* : Aemon Targaeryen
*Master of Coin* : Samwell Tarly
*Master of Whispers* : Bran Stark
*Master of Ships* : Davos Seaworth
*Master of Laws* : Ollena Tyrell
'equivalent of vice president in our real world'
*wrong*
Think 'Secretary of State'.
Vice president would be the heir to the throne... Basically 0 legal authority until the bigshot himself croaks or abdicates, etc.
Wrong again. Prime minister is the most accurate.
@@tomasvrabec1845 He was clearly referencing the USA's political system. The only political system that matters.
I absolutely love how Grand maester pycelle met his end. Killed by a bunch of children children of the corn Style
Only in the show. In the books varys killed him along with Kevin Lannister before leaving king's landing
What about the Master of War?
Littlefingers voice is so different
I always saw the "Hand of the King" as more akin to a Prime Minister than a Vice President. A vice president is almost ceremonial position.
Im sorry, but the hand of the king IS BASICALLY THE KING. Just look at how powerful Tywin was under Aryes.
@@kingad8869 Yes, he acted in the King's name and essentially ruled the nation. That's why I said he's more like a Prime Minister than a VP, who has no power
Will Nelson tell that to Dick Cheney
@@willoliver8167 Dick Cheney was the exception. That's why he was so dangerous.
I love the thumbnail 😂
Jeez how old is Pycelle??
82 at the start of the show if my math is right
was...
Ugh, I can't stand Pycelle!! I weirdly prefer Qyburn, which is messed up, now that I wrote it down.
Did you ever read lotr and if you have what do you think about it
I will one day! Love the movies
How about the master of war? Cersei mentioned him in one of the later seasons. Was it a one-time thing? was it maybe in the place of the lord commander? any clue here?
So when exactly did pycelle officially become all Lannister minion? Or was he always won from the beginning
What about the master of war
That is a poor comparison, the hand to a vice president. The Hand and his responsibilities are comparable to a Chief of Staff. A V.P may be better ascribed to an Envoy of some sort in Asoiaf.
I want a whole series with the new one.
Hand of the king: Tyrion
Lord commander: Jon snow
Grand master: Samwell Tarly
Master of coin: dk
Master of wisperers: bran stark
Master of ships: Theons sister I forgot her name
Master of laws: ser Davos
U forgot Master of War
no
Velaryons didn't had dragons, but the statement that they don't have magic controlling blood is false, any Valyrian can potentially control a dragon, the Targaryens married the Velaryons to keep their ability tor ride dragons. Aegon the Conqueror's mother was a Velaryon.
0:07
More like Prime Minster
Can you talk about the books smal kounsel
How is the hand of the king similar to the Vice President? They wouldn’t take over in the event of the Kings death unless specifically ordered
Master of whispers was made by Aerys II made. Otherwise that is replaced by Master of War i think.
Nah master of whispers existed before then. Only one position that was made was master of wars by cersei
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*second daughter
Isnt there a master of war?
The hand is equivalent to a state secretary or prime minister, not a vice president
Playing musical chairs in the small council
Didn't those marriage make Valeryons dragonseed? Like there are multiple Valeryons who had dragons right?
Barristan the Bold is still alive in the books and is serving Queen Daenerys Targaryen and is ready 2 go 2 war. The Battle of Fire 🔥. Viserion and Rhaegal escaped the pyramid of Meereen.
Isn't there master of wars
Hand of the king, more functionally, would be more similar to the presidents chief of staff, but with the prestige of the VP
I thought there was a master of war?
yes and no; the thing about feudal societies, GoT/ASoIaF included, is that every House has its own troops, and each head of the house commands the troops sworn to their house, meaning a Master of War position would be irrelevant, as it was when Cersei offered it to Kevan, her uncle, in Season 5. When we next hear about the position, in Season 8, as it is offered to Grey Worm by Daenerys, the army in question is much more centralised and under her direct command, making this position more relevant.
@LagiNaLangAko23 he is Master of Law, iirc
I don't know that Vice-President is the right analogue for Hand of the King, more like Chief-of-Staff.
numer?
Hopefully Aurane Waters is on the list most likely allies to Dany. but seeing as how most Targaryen loyalists in Westeros are already dead, it might be too much of an ask
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... Dude the hand is obviously equivalent to the Prime Minister of the King. In matters of succession and let's face it influence, a vice president is more like a little princeling.
Unless this video was meant to reflect the Cheney administration ;)
*Master of war be like:* Am I a joke to you ?
Yeah because you didn't exist until cersei created you
Isnt aegon the 5th rhaegars son with elia?
No that's the 6th
@@360bandman yeah that comment was me before reading the books, Aegon the 5th is maestor aemons brother and Maekars 4th son, squire to ser duncan the tall and known as Egg, and he was the reason for the burning of summerhall right?
@@yousofzaid872 yeah
Varys: The Master of Whispers
Pycelle: The Master of Whiskers
I might be wrong but isn't there also a Master of War?
Hand of the king would be closer to a Prime Minister than a vice President
And yet season 8 creates the position of Master of War
Arthur Teixeira // Pretty sure Cersei came up with that for Kevan Lannister prior to the High Sparrow storyline.
Still fabricated it from thin air, just earlier.
Matthew Hatfield you’re right! She did created it to have a certain advantage over Kevan! D&D kinda of forgot that it was a empty position