Each Member of the Small Council (Game of Thrones)

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  • @noshame5330
    @noshame5330 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1404

    My small council would be
    Hand of the King: Hodor
    Lord Commander: Janos Slynt
    Master of Whisperers: Karl Tanner
    Master of Coin: Robert Baratheon
    Master of Ships: Khal Drogo
    Master of Laws: Viserys Targaryen
    Grand Maester: Joffrey Baratheon

    • @jossecoupe446
      @jossecoupe446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +424

      Finally, a man with some sense.

    • @floralstripes8001
      @floralstripes8001 5 ปีที่แล้ว +211

      When everyone dies, you'll rule without any problems

    • @crisleeLOP
      @crisleeLOP 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bogo

    • @TokitoTheMan
      @TokitoTheMan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +136

      Lmao I would love to see this council meeting

    • @ce6129
      @ce6129 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Hodor!

  • @illyr8590
    @illyr8590 5 ปีที่แล้ว +727

    "Are you telling me the crown is 3 million in debt?"
    "I'm teling you the crown is *6 million* in debt"
    Ned: ight imma head out

    • @pooleb80
      @pooleb80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Basically

    • @Maw0
      @Maw0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      *Ight, I'mma head out.*

    • @The_realJesus
      @The_realJesus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lmao

    • @orangeanarchy235
      @orangeanarchy235 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Maw0 Ight, my head is out

    • @bait5257
      @bait5257 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am not gonna be here when the bank come for his money.

  • @temptationofmemories
    @temptationofmemories 6 ปีที่แล้ว +571

    Tyrion discovers that Little Finger has been running the books and the number don't match up in Clash, on top of the mess he's made by doing deals, trading money back and forth between Houses and making everyone indebted to each other, but particularly indebted the crown to the iron bank and Tywin Lannister. We know Little Finger isn't inept at all and it's being done intentionally. Therefore regardless of if Robert held a tourney every single year since he took over, it's only been 10 years, and it's clear Little Finger is filtering money away from the crowns finances and spending it in loans, and other ways to plunge the the Seven kingdoms into debt and additional chaos, therefore it's not Robert's spending that's the problem, it's that his small council members are being left to their own devices and schemes, with little to no oversight.

    • @GentleJim
      @GentleJim 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      "Chaos is a ladder"

    • @thebystander1636
      @thebystander1636 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Which was Robert's fault for never coming to these meetings. So in Littlefinger speak, it would be Robert's debt lol.

    • @doomdrake123
      @doomdrake123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      As I understood it, Littlefinger got the crown in debt, yes, but only in order to make more money in the long run, and place his people in key positions, people loyal only to him.

    • @turtleanton6539
      @turtleanton6539 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes

    • @sergoldenhandthejust1495
      @sergoldenhandthejust1495 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      15 years* ;)

  • @lopfi4366
    @lopfi4366 6 ปีที่แล้ว +480

    "The Small Council grows smaller every day."

  • @tomxaros48
    @tomxaros48 6 ปีที่แล้ว +198

    Thos small concil scene were always so much fun to watch. It's very nice to get so much more contextual info on this. I watch your channel whitout having read the books, they're a bit long for my reading habbit, so your channel really is the best next things. Keep at it, all your videos are great!

    • @BT12344
      @BT12344 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      tomxaros48 I’d recommend giving the audiobooks a try, ‘audible’ is quite good :-)

    • @Alaryk111
      @Alaryk111 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would give it a try they may seems long but they are easy to read. For me it was much easier to read them rather than "The Hearth of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad.

    • @freerunner0682
      @freerunner0682 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      just read the books you are missing so much by not reading them

    • @lebarondeminuit3580
      @lebarondeminuit3580 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those were the best scenes

  • @jackbelmont4389
    @jackbelmont4389 4 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Ned on his first day as hand: "ok tell me the news"
    Little finger: "we are in debt"
    Ned: "WHAT THE HELL? HOW? I JUST GOT HERE I HAVENT EVEN HAD TIME TO RECOVER FROM THE TIME ZONES"

    • @vesuvyan
      @vesuvyan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Littlefinger, probably: "timezones don't change along lines of latitude, you know."

    • @metalltitan
      @metalltitan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@vesuvyan "Timezones are a ladder. Money is a ladder. I am a ladder, if you're trusting enough to climb me."

    • @SapphireSolstice67
      @SapphireSolstice67 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@metalltitan Haha clever

  • @whycreate
    @whycreate  6 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    The Lords of Small Matters!

    • @tomasvrabec1845
      @tomasvrabec1845 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey... A Question.. or a possible video... What About the Master of War?

  • @bloodydoggy4505
    @bloodydoggy4505 6 ปีที่แล้ว +270

    Actually the Hand of the king is far closer to a "Prime Minister" because the Hand has far more power in governance compared to the vice president.Prime Minister is a better comparison.

    • @pat834
      @pat834 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I agree. The Queen or Prince is more like the Vice President

    • @headedbeefer1511
      @headedbeefer1511 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      son goku not every country has Vice Presidents either so that doesn’t make sense

    • @LordDim1
      @LordDim1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      son goku That argument makes no sense, as far more countries have a prime minister than a Vice President. Currently there are 64 countries in the world with a position of "Vice President" in their government, whilst about 140 countries worldwide has the position of Prime minister

    • @696190
      @696190 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      George RR Martin himself said the position of Hand is "like a Prime Minister". I agree with Bloody Doggy

    • @carlosdanger9670
      @carlosdanger9670 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Totally right the hand of the king is nothing like a Vice President, they practically rule the kingdom while VP’s have mainly become figureheads, and they don’t become the king if the king dies...

  • @SuperHorseSense
    @SuperHorseSense 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    *A picture of Jaime*
    "So yeah... that's the small council."

  • @georgewood6211
    @georgewood6211 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I like to think the full cabinet is:
    King
    Hand of king
    Grand Maester
    High Septom
    Master of Coin
    Master of Whispers
    Master of Ships
    Master of Laws
    Commander of City Watch
    Lord Commander of kings Guard
    Kings Justice
    Other titles I remember are:
    Special advisor
    Commander of Army
    Commander of Fleets
    Regent
    Heir
    Prince between the seas/lord of dragon stone

    • @caolanmcflynn2412
      @caolanmcflynn2412 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't forget the newest cheer master of War but still they they all be my choices

    • @christophertracy7136
      @christophertracy7136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Master of War Daenerys gave 2 Greyworm after the war was won.

  • @megamatze7858
    @megamatze7858 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Hand of the king: Ned Stark
    Grandmaester: Luwin
    Lord Commander: Oberyn Martell
    Master of Law: Tywin Lannister
    Master of whisperers: Varys
    Master of Ships: Yara Greyjoy
    Master of coin: Doran Martell
    Master of war: Randyll Tarly

    • @gnaagren
      @gnaagren 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Nice! I'll give it a shot of my own. I like your choices, but I'll make different ones, just for the sake of the argument.
      Hand of the King: Tyrion Lannister
      Grandmaester: Aemon Targaryen (Samwell Tarly, when Aemon kicks the bucket.)
      Lord Commander: Arthur Dayne
      Master of Law: Eddard Stark
      Master of Whisperers: Bloodraven or Brandon Stark (If they're busy being trees, give me Jojen Reed.)
      Master of Ships: Victarion Greyjoy
      Master of Coin: Xaro Xhoan Daxos
      (Master of War: Brynden Tully)

    • @megamatze7858
      @megamatze7858 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@gnaagren I like that you put Arthur Dayne and Blackfish in it, but I personally wouldn`t trust Xaro xD

    • @gnaagren
      @gnaagren 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@megamatze7858 I'd trust him more than Littlefinger, cause his corruption would probably be more for financial than political gain... but yeah, Doran Martell is a better choice.
      Another candidate would be Wyman Manderly imo. White Harbour is doing pretty well, so he's probably not horrible with money, plus he's loyal.

  • @bartimaeusofuruk9681
    @bartimaeusofuruk9681 6 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Comprehensive video, it really helps visualize the going ons in King's Landing. You made one small mistake though: Nymeria is Oberyn's second oldest daughter, the oldest is Obara.

  • @conor1417
    @conor1417 6 ปีที่แล้ว +294

    Isn't it funny how Verys is the only one left alive? He just keeps on swimming like he said

    • @etnoballium4516
      @etnoballium4516 6 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Conor Forhead only in the show, in the books Pyter and Stannis and Barriston are still alive

    • @freerunner0682
      @freerunner0682 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      varys** not verys

    • @EarthChampion_TophBeifong
      @EarthChampion_TophBeifong 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Actually they killed Varys in the show too.
      Haven't you noticed how the show directors bad writing has left him almost useless? No more clever lines, no more backstory lore, just another Unsullied with no weapons but better clothes that follows Tyrion/Daenerys around.

    • @user-uq4gr5nl5o
      @user-uq4gr5nl5o 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@EarthChampion_TophBeifong And what is Varys supposed to do now? Grab a sword and go kill white walkers? He's not a fighter and at this point in the story, only the final fight is left.

    • @billymcdingle4063
      @billymcdingle4063 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      This aged well

  • @MissMusicLover131
    @MissMusicLover131 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    These videos have encouraged me to actually read the books, rather than look at the size of them and get discouraged. I'm hoping I love them as much as so many people seem to!!

  • @veruspatri
    @veruspatri 6 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    You should do a video on the 2nd and 3rd most powerful Lords of each of the 9 regions or Westeros. Not counting the Lord Paramount's of course

    • @laurentelsey9337
      @laurentelsey9337 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That would be a really great one!

    • @veruspatri
      @veruspatri 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Ignisan_66 the Stormlands would be House Swan, they're rich and powerful. I think for the Crownlands it might be House Velaryon. Good choices!

    • @skeeter8326
      @skeeter8326 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Troll Master isn't house rykker reduced to landed knights after sack of kings landing?

    • @freerunner0682
      @freerunner0682 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Ignisan_66 house dayne is more famous but not nearly the most powerfull after the martels,that honour goes to the Yronwoods who used to be high kimgs of dorne

    • @AtlanticEX
      @AtlanticEX 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Reach:
      Hightower, Redwyne, Tarly
      North:
      Manderly, Bolton, Karstark
      Crownlands:
      Celtigar, Velayron, Rosby
      Stormlands:
      Estermont, Swann, Dondarrion
      Dorne:
      Yronwood, Santagar, Dayne
      Riverlands:
      Blackwood, Mallister, Frey
      Westerlands:
      Reyne, Marbrand, Swyft
      Vale:
      Royce, Corbray, Baelish

  • @bttrfly_wngz09
    @bttrfly_wngz09 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Queen: Daenerys Targaryen
    Hand of the Queen: Jon Snow
    Lord Commander: Briene of Tarth
    Grand Maester: Samwell Tarly
    Master of Coin: Tyrion Lannister
    Master of Whispers: Arya Stark
    Master of Ships: Yara Greyjoy
    Master of Laws: Davos the Onion Knight
    Queen of the North: Sansa Stark

    • @nobertmathonsi7317
      @nobertmathonsi7317 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      QuEeN iN tHe NoRtH😒

    • @MrOg99
      @MrOg99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ChristInGreta I like how you added Queen of the North

    • @The_realJesus
      @The_realJesus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nobert Mathonsi who should’ve ruled the north?

  • @madambutterfly1997
    @madambutterfly1997 6 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    To see a non-Velaryon in the position of Master of ships is an insult to the very position itself. Since the position was practically made for them

    • @brendan9868
      @brendan9868 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Bit of a slap to the face to the house who holds the title “lord of the tides”

    • @Noctsire
      @Noctsire 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Ignisan_66 thats what happens when the king at the time hates them

    • @celticeyesmorriganrising929
      @celticeyesmorriganrising929 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe this may be the first non specific version of "IRISH AND COLORED NEED NOT APPLY".....

    • @celticeyesmorriganrising929
      @celticeyesmorriganrising929 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe this may be the first non specific version of "IRISH AND COLORED NEED NOT APPLY".....

    • @celticeyesmorriganrising929
      @celticeyesmorriganrising929 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe this may be the first non specific version of "IRISH AND COLORED NEED NOT APPLY".....

  • @Ignisan_66
    @Ignisan_66 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The worst small council I could think of (books):
    King: Aegon the Unworthy,
    Queen: Lady Stoneheart
    Hand of the King: Merrett Frey
    Lord Commander: Meryn Trant
    Grand Maester: Aegon Frey
    Master of Coin: Janos Slynt
    Master of Whisperers: Ser Pounce
    Master of Ships: Khal Moro (the show version)
    Master of Laws: Ramsay Snow

  • @edgargarred4319
    @edgargarred4319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hand of the King:Vice President
    Lord commander: Defense secretary
    Grand maester: Chief science advisor
    Master of coins: Treasury secretary
    Master of whisperers: Director of the CIA or intelligence
    Master of ships: Transport minister
    Master of laws: Speaker of the House, Head of the congress

    • @Sohamchikte
      @Sohamchikte ปีที่แล้ว

      That's the worst comparing I ever see

  • @_random_guy
    @_random_guy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    the small council grows smaller and smaller

  • @Tijjain
    @Tijjain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My Small Council (In an ideal scenario)
    Hand of the King: Tyrion Lannister
    Lord Commander: Ser Arthur Dayne
    Grand Measter: Measter Luwin
    Master of Laws: Eddard Stark
    Master of Coin: Renly Baratheon
    Master of Ships: Davos Seaworth
    Master of Whisperers: Brandon Stark

  • @herbertschulz4904
    @herbertschulz4904 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Could you please Detail all members of the Council through the books?

  • @alanmike6883
    @alanmike6883 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One of biggest flaws of the small council was because it was a small council. The concentration of power very quickly dangerous.
    Maybe to have some sort of cohesion, maybe a representative of the great families could've been also present as ambassadors to send orders back to the regions for the lords to enforce specific things

    • @omarsener8491
      @omarsener8491 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Small council was a council not a parliment. They didn't have power they just advised King

  • @P90XGetRipped
    @P90XGetRipped 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    My small council would be:
    Hand Of The King: Davos Seaworth
    Lord Commander: Karl Tanner
    Grand Maester: Ramsay Bolton
    Master Of Coin: Olenna Tyrell
    Master Of Whisperers: Bran Stark
    Master Of Ships: Yara Greyjoy
    Master Of Laws: Alliser Thorne

    • @richardjackson9584
      @richardjackson9584 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My small Council would be:
      Hand of the king: Stannis Baratheon.
      Lord commander of the kingsguard: Brania of Tarth
      Grand maester: Qybun.
      Master of coin: the queen of thorns of house Tyrell.
      Master of ships: sir Davos seaworth.
      Master of laws: Alliser Throne.
      Master of Whispers: Brandon Stark.
      Master of War: Blackfish of house Tully

    • @rraw6282
      @rraw6282 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why would ramsay be the maester lmao thats retarded

    • @shosty575
      @shosty575 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ser Alliser Thorne? Seriously?

    • @matthewsteele99
      @matthewsteele99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@shosty575 man always went by the book, makes sense

    • @shosty575
      @shosty575 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthewsteele99 ok 🙂

  • @lentoturmahub8214
    @lentoturmahub8214 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The perfect Small Council:
    Hand of the King - Jaime Lannister
    Lord Commander - Podrick Payne
    Grand Maester - Qyburn
    Master of Coin - Tyrion Lannister
    Master of Ships - Euron Greyjoy
    Master of Whisperers - Brandon Stark
    Master of Laws - Berrick Dondarrion

    • @bait5257
      @bait5257 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hand of the king should be tyrion

  • @ahcokris
    @ahcokris 6 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    hand is more like the prime minister, but then the US does not have a pm due to presidential system

    • @FirstnameLastname-kn5sw
      @FirstnameLastname-kn5sw 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Still, even then the Presidential Chief of Staff is a better translation.

    • @LordDim1
      @LordDim1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Coffee And A Book Yeah, basically absolutely nothing about Vice President fits the description of the Hand of the King

  • @made-line7627
    @made-line7627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I reckon it was more *Robert's* doing that the realm became indebted, rather than Littlefinger's. The latter was the Master of Coin, yes, though in that role, there's not much you can do to *prevent* debt when you're working (less "working", more "slaving", really; you don't say "no" to a king such as this one) for a king who's throwing tourneys here, lavish feasts there, etc etc.
    And it's interesting that only *Varys* was called "The Spider", because he had a "web of spies". Every Master of Whisperers has a bloody web of spies.
    ...I also wonder why the Valaryons and Celtigars headed to Westeros (conveniently) before the Doom occurred...🤔

  • @gabrielmanolis5188
    @gabrielmanolis5188 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This channel is the only thing that's making me care about GoT-Lore/history

  • @sithjohn80
    @sithjohn80 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just found your channel and have been binge watching these vids!

  • @KitGusta
    @KitGusta 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hand of the King: Tywin Lannister
    Lord Commander: Barristan Selmy
    Master of Coin: Tyrion Lannister
    Master of Laws: Eddard Stark.
    Master of Whispers: Varys
    Master of Ships: Stannis Baratheon.
    Grand Maester: Luwin
    If i could choose from people from different times, i would choose:
    Hand of the King: Tywin Lannister
    Lord Commander: Barristan Selmy
    Master of Coin: Eleana Targaryen.
    Master of Laws: Stannis Baratheon
    Master of Ships: Allyn Velaryon
    Master of Whispers: Varys (I have a personal distaste for Brynder Rivers)
    Grand Maester: Luwin

  • @dariuskeys613
    @dariuskeys613 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Can you make a video comparing the show and book timelines por favor

  • @bigweiner4217
    @bigweiner4217 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You missed master of war. Also, I thought master of whisperers was a position made just for Varys

    • @jaimemartinez-el8wc
      @jaimemartinez-el8wc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Master of war was created by cersei, and didn't exist before that as far as I know

    • @KitGusta
      @KitGusta 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is no master of war, at least as far as i know. The closest there is to that title is the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, since they are generally tasked with the command of the king's military forces in times of war. However, the Hand of the King come close to that too, since in times of war the Hand serves almost like a marshal.
      Oh, and also, there is the honorary title of "Protector of the realm", wich is the title that gives a man complete control of the Armies under the King, this title is generally held by the king himself, unless he is not fit to command his own armies. Like for instance, King Aegon during the Dance of Dragon after being wounded in battle, gave the title of Protector of the realm to his younger brother, Aemond, to command his army alongside lord commander Criston Cole.
      And also Queen Rhaenyra, who made her husband, King Consort Daemon Targaryen as lord protector and he led her armies alongside her hand of the King, Lord Corlys Velaryon.
      Also the Master of Ships is an additional militar advisor for the king, since they are in command of all the Royal fleet, in fact, Stannis Baratheon place as Master of Ships was something that greatly helped him during the war of Five kings, since before Leaving Kingslanding after Jon Arryn death, Stannis took almost the whole Royal fleet with him, since he had total control of them.

    • @bigweiner4217
      @bigweiner4217 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KitGusta there is actually a master of war. Cersie tried to offer it to Kevin, then he turned it down

    • @matt_9112
      @matt_9112 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigweiner4217 he's right thou. She created the post. If not the King/Hand personally lead the army, there are the four "Wardens" to deal with defense/smaller conflicts (book and show). I guess that's specifically to not give power over all armed forces to one single "master of war", but rather keep it decentralized.

  • @theideachanel5736
    @theideachanel5736 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I appreciate your reaching all this for me!!!

  • @saskiaviking9447
    @saskiaviking9447 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    What would your small council be if you were king at the start of the first book?

    • @whycreate
      @whycreate  6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I would keep everyone except Littlefinger and Renly. Make Tyrion Master of coin and Davos as Master of Laws

    • @mike.n.n.7723
      @mike.n.n.7723 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I would put Stannis as Hand
      Ned as master of laws
      Tyrion as master of coin
      Paxter Redwyne as master of ships

    • @mauricegarvey4631
      @mauricegarvey4631 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I'd shake it up a bit, Patchface as Master Ships, Biter as Master of Whispers, Timmet Son of Timmet is Lord Commander, and Hand of the King, well obviously that job goes to Hodor.
      Can't forsee any problems there at all

    • @etnoballium4516
      @etnoballium4516 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maurice Garvey roge for master of laws

    • @tomasvrabec1845
      @tomasvrabec1845 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hand: Tyrion
      Ships: Yara
      Laws: Davos
      Coin: Ollena, later ... that is a tricky one... probably Sansa
      Whispers: Varys :D ... my spider is the only spider I can stand (later.. um ... Bran i think)
      Commander: Brienne
      Maester: Aemon and later Sam (Only character I can think of for the job really.... no other highly educated character after Aemon)

  • @dariusbizimana2590
    @dariusbizimana2590 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really appreciate your videos they make the Season 8 wait not boring

  • @SLPRODUCTIONS
    @SLPRODUCTIONS 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Question: who’s on the small council now? Cersei, Qyburn and Euron. Who else

    • @brendan9868
      @brendan9868 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Honestly she has nobody else unless they start introducing new characters. Maybe another member of her Kingsguard or some lord that lives near Kings Landing like House Rykker or Rosby. She said she was hiring the Golden Company, so maybe she plans on giving Harry Strickland or whoever leads them on the show a position.
      Maybe she could raise other houses to be lords of the Reach, Stormlands, Riverlands and Dorne and give them positions?
      Sadly though I have a feeling they aren’t going to focus on stuff like that in the next season.

    • @thebossmana
      @thebossmana 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's sad how little world building is in the show these days
      No idea what's happening in Dorne, the Reach, the Stormlands, the Westerland, the Vale or the Wall

  • @autumnfranklin6790
    @autumnfranklin6790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Small council, but if it were women characters.
    Queen: Margaery Tyrell
    Hand of the Queen: Sansa Stark
    Lord commander: Brienne of Tarth
    Grand Maester: Talisa
    Master of Coin: Missandei
    Master of Whispers: Olenna Tyrell
    Master of Ships: Yara Greyjoy
    Master of Laws: Arya Stark

  • @selbos
    @selbos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Actually, the hand of the King is equivalent to a Prime Minister. He actually runs the country/kingdom(s) for the King.
    The Vice Presidential role is not as executive as the PM, nor does it have the same level of responsibility.

  • @yurigagarin3327
    @yurigagarin3327 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I expected Stannis to be Master of Laws it would fit him best xD

    • @drfabulous2804
      @drfabulous2804 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He could do both. I think Robert didn’t want Renly to feel left out, he wasn’t the brightest spark in the shed

    • @KitGusta
      @KitGusta 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It's interesting to notice that, although it's not really talked much about on the show, on the books Stannis is considered a master naval commander, in fact, some even believe that if he was in charge of the ships during the battle of Blackwater Bay he could've saved most of his ships, however, to appease his servants of his wife familly, he gave command of the ships to a cousin/brother of his wife, however the man wasn't very experienced and sent Stannis fleet to Tyrion Ambush.
      Stannis on the books was almost single handly responsible for the defeat of the Greyjoys during the Greyjoy rebelion too, it's in fact his greatest feat, the man was able to crush the Iron fleet under the command of Victarion Greyjoy, considered by many one of the greatest naval commanders who ever lived (Although Stannis had help from the Redwyne fleet, one of the three naval super powers of westeros).
      Stannis could be a great master of laws too, he would break the corruption of the Gold Cloaks (Although on the books it's said that he and Jon Arryn tried to do that), but it wouldn't make him near as effective as acting as master of ships, as like i said, the man was a beast commanding on the sea. I dare to say that Stannis is close to Allyn Velaryon and Corlys Velaryon as admiral.

    • @monetizedyay6827
      @monetizedyay6827 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I believe it was because they felt like he was too much of an extremist in his decisions (his suggestion to ban brothels)
      But I agree nonetheless

    • @jbatts834
      @jbatts834 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@monetizedyay6827 Well he literally cut of the tips of all of Davos’s fingers on one of his hands because he was a smuggler, even though he was the only reason why Stannis and his man were able to survive the siege of storms end. So clearly him being in that position though not corrupt, would be too brutal and would create too many Enemies for the crown and baratheons in general.

  • @mlgmeistros4278
    @mlgmeistros4278 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there not also a master of war?

  • @peeksteerr7473
    @peeksteerr7473 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love you Whycreate

  • @bingbippo1073
    @bingbippo1073 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love how the show randomly just made up the “master of war”

    • @richyhu2042
      @richyhu2042 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Might be misremembering it since its been a while, but wasn't Master of War a title Cersei made up to basically try and stack the Small Council in her favor with supporters?

  • @mlgmeistros4278
    @mlgmeistros4278 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:10 Robert could have demanded they elected a new grand maester and threatened he would abolish the position otherwise. At the end of the day, maesters are employed by lords for their wisdom and I doubt the citadel would refuse a well-described request for another grandmaester, since even tough they are impartial, the new king wanted a whole new small council (would have meant also replacing Varys).

  • @ryaningham5374
    @ryaningham5374 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would say the Hand is closer to a Prime Minister than a Vice President. While the king is the ceremonial leader wielding the full power of the crown (head of state), the Hand is the head of government, getting the daily work done.

    • @esppupsnkits4560
      @esppupsnkits4560 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like that you were able to not insult him instead of being a jerk like a commenter above you.

  • @shakkarugat
    @shakkarugat 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Never clicked faster on a notification!

  • @philippeblais8594
    @philippeblais8594 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At the beginning, you forgot the title of master of war.

  • @kennymac4855
    @kennymac4855 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hand of the King is more Chief of Staff than Vice President. Amazing video as always!

  • @zachmcclure8814
    @zachmcclure8814 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    7:57 but this doesn't mean Velaryon's have not been able to tame dragons

    • @KitGusta
      @KitGusta 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, Velaryons are able to tame dragons, Addam Velaryon, Laenor Velaryon, and Laena Velaryon where all known Dragon riders of House Velaryon.

    • @reinsaxony4623
      @reinsaxony4623 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KitGusta Basically any Valyrian can potentially tame a dragon, it just happened that the Velaryons didn't had any dragon back in Valyria.

  • @ParanoidYoshi
    @ParanoidYoshi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Hand of the King is more like a Prime Minister or Executive Director. A Vice President does almost nothing; the Hand does everything.

  • @spacetragedy
    @spacetragedy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    And here's the world's smallest violin playing the world's saddest little song just for the small council :))

  • @joshheirmann7455
    @joshheirmann7455 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect Small Council at the beginning of GoT
    Hand: Stannis Baratheon
    Lord Commander: Barritan Selmy
    Grand Maester: Marwyn
    Master of Coin: Leyton or Baelor Hightower
    Master of Whispers: Varys
    Master of Ships: Monford Velaryon
    Master of Laws: Kevan Lannister

  • @v.a.l.i.a
    @v.a.l.i.a 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hand of king: Ned
    Lord Commander: Syrio
    Grand Maester: that Targaryan dude from the night's watch
    Master of coin: Olenna Tyrell
    Master of Whispers: Varys
    Master of ships: Oberyn Martell
    Master of Laws: Davos

  • @shinjansaha240
    @shinjansaha240 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crazy to think that pycelle was appointed during aegon the 5th

  • @johnmontag
    @johnmontag 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anyone who knew poisons, would tell you it was obvious he was poisoned

  • @essazulqernain8063
    @essazulqernain8063 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wasn't there a Master of War too?

  • @IsaiahRichards692
    @IsaiahRichards692 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You forgot about the Master of War...

    • @arunsingla3452
      @arunsingla3452 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It didn't exist until war of the five kings

  • @alexandrub8786
    @alexandrub8786 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:05 I think about the hand of the king as PM rather than VP.

    • @MCShvabo
      @MCShvabo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I suppose it depends on the country. If we are basing it off of Europe you would be right, but in the U.S. V.P. is essentially the 2nd in command.

  • @viniciusvyller9458
    @viniciusvyller9458 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    My small council would be:
    Lord Commander: Hot Pie
    Hand of the King: Robin Arryn
    Master of Coin: Belwas
    Master of Ships: Aurane Waters
    Grand Maester: Biter
    Master of Laws: Patchface
    Master of Whisperers: Jalabar Xho

  • @jada9401
    @jada9401 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative thank u!!!

  • @marcyc1695
    @marcyc1695 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing video as always, did anyone NOTICE when Ned said MAester and the way he said it?? is that another way of saying maester??

  • @admin.slayerenryu
    @admin.slayerenryu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    King and Queen (both equal in power): Jon Snow (Aegon Targaryen) and Daenerys Targaryen
    *Hand of the King* : Tyrion Lannister
    King's Guard: Jorah Mormont, Brienne of Tarth, The Hound, Bronn, Daario, Syrio Forrel and Arrya Stark.
    *Lord Commander* : Barristan Selmy and/or Robb Stark
    *Grand Maester* : Aemon Targaeryen
    *Master of Coin* : Samwell Tarly
    *Master of Whispers* : Bran Stark
    *Master of Ships* : Davos Seaworth
    *Master of Laws* : Ollena Tyrell

  • @hellstorme
    @hellstorme 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    'equivalent of vice president in our real world'
    *wrong*
    Think 'Secretary of State'.
    Vice president would be the heir to the throne... Basically 0 legal authority until the bigshot himself croaks or abdicates, etc.

    • @tomasvrabec1845
      @tomasvrabec1845 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wrong again. Prime minister is the most accurate.

    • @hellstorme
      @hellstorme 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tomasvrabec1845 He was clearly referencing the USA's political system. The only political system that matters.

  • @frost2104ify
    @frost2104ify 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I absolutely love how Grand maester pycelle met his end. Killed by a bunch of children children of the corn Style

    • @arunsingla3452
      @arunsingla3452 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Only in the show. In the books varys killed him along with Kevin Lannister before leaving king's landing

  • @Jansz101
    @Jansz101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What about the Master of War?

  • @SLPRODUCTIONS
    @SLPRODUCTIONS 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Littlefingers voice is so different

  • @WillNelson73
    @WillNelson73 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always saw the "Hand of the King" as more akin to a Prime Minister than a Vice President. A vice president is almost ceremonial position.

    • @kingad8869
      @kingad8869 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Im sorry, but the hand of the king IS BASICALLY THE KING. Just look at how powerful Tywin was under Aryes.

    • @WillNelson73
      @WillNelson73 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kingad8869 Yes, he acted in the King's name and essentially ruled the nation. That's why I said he's more like a Prime Minister than a VP, who has no power

    • @willoliver8167
      @willoliver8167 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Will Nelson tell that to Dick Cheney

    • @WillNelson73
      @WillNelson73 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@willoliver8167 Dick Cheney was the exception. That's why he was so dangerous.

  • @luketowers8628
    @luketowers8628 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the thumbnail 😂

  • @empi1290
    @empi1290 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Jeez how old is Pycelle??

    • @billyrobinson6815
      @billyrobinson6815 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      82 at the start of the show if my math is right

    • @kaleithajohnson8378
      @kaleithajohnson8378 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      was...

    • @TheTam0613
      @TheTam0613 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ugh, I can't stand Pycelle!! I weirdly prefer Qyburn, which is messed up, now that I wrote it down.

  • @erendrabble8547
    @erendrabble8547 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did you ever read lotr and if you have what do you think about it

    • @whycreate
      @whycreate  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I will one day! Love the movies

  • @Grandmen123
    @Grandmen123 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about the master of war? Cersei mentioned him in one of the later seasons. Was it a one-time thing? was it maybe in the place of the lord commander? any clue here?

  • @madambutterfly1997
    @madambutterfly1997 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So when exactly did pycelle officially become all Lannister minion? Or was he always won from the beginning

  • @nobertmathonsi7317
    @nobertmathonsi7317 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about the master of war

  • @bishop529
    @bishop529 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That is a poor comparison, the hand to a vice president. The Hand and his responsibilities are comparable to a Chief of Staff. A V.P may be better ascribed to an Envoy of some sort in Asoiaf.

  • @theodorethanos2038
    @theodorethanos2038 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want a whole series with the new one.

  • @Jonathan-ww9en
    @Jonathan-ww9en 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hand of the king: Tyrion
    Lord commander: Jon snow
    Grand master: Samwell Tarly
    Master of coin: dk
    Master of wisperers: bran stark
    Master of ships: Theons sister I forgot her name
    Master of laws: ser Davos

  • @richardjackson9584
    @richardjackson9584 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    U forgot Master of War

  • @reinsaxony4623
    @reinsaxony4623 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Velaryons didn't had dragons, but the statement that they don't have magic controlling blood is false, any Valyrian can potentially control a dragon, the Targaryens married the Velaryons to keep their ability tor ride dragons. Aegon the Conqueror's mother was a Velaryon.

  • @georgebardsley7129
    @georgebardsley7129 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:07
    More like Prime Minster

  • @emilkjellberg9043
    @emilkjellberg9043 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you talk about the books smal kounsel

  • @BennyOkay
    @BennyOkay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is the hand of the king similar to the Vice President? They wouldn’t take over in the event of the Kings death unless specifically ordered

  • @elmarsadigov2537
    @elmarsadigov2537 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Master of whispers was made by Aerys II made. Otherwise that is replaced by Master of War i think.

    • @arunsingla3452
      @arunsingla3452 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah master of whispers existed before then. Only one position that was made was master of wars by cersei

  • @chyawanprash
    @chyawanprash 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:18
    *second daughter

  • @kfiraltberger552
    @kfiraltberger552 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isnt there a master of war?

  • @santi2683
    @santi2683 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The hand is equivalent to a state secretary or prime minister, not a vice president

  • @spacetragedy
    @spacetragedy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Playing musical chairs in the small council

  • @mlgmeistros4278
    @mlgmeistros4278 ปีที่แล้ว

    Didn't those marriage make Valeryons dragonseed? Like there are multiple Valeryons who had dragons right?

  • @christophertracy7136
    @christophertracy7136 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Barristan the Bold is still alive in the books and is serving Queen Daenerys Targaryen and is ready 2 go 2 war. The Battle of Fire 🔥. Viserion and Rhaegal escaped the pyramid of Meereen.

  • @krushnakesapure1357
    @krushnakesapure1357 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn't there master of wars

  • @Alexander-James
    @Alexander-James 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hand of the king, more functionally, would be more similar to the presidents chief of staff, but with the prestige of the VP

  • @eleanorwatson1733
    @eleanorwatson1733 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought there was a master of war?

    • @696190
      @696190 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes and no; the thing about feudal societies, GoT/ASoIaF included, is that every House has its own troops, and each head of the house commands the troops sworn to their house, meaning a Master of War position would be irrelevant, as it was when Cersei offered it to Kevan, her uncle, in Season 5. When we next hear about the position, in Season 8, as it is offered to Grey Worm by Daenerys, the army in question is much more centralised and under her direct command, making this position more relevant.

    • @696190
      @696190 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @LagiNaLangAko23 he is Master of Law, iirc

  • @coryscamihorn1811
    @coryscamihorn1811 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't know that Vice-President is the right analogue for Hand of the King, more like Chief-of-Staff.

  • @samuelbaker1551
    @samuelbaker1551 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    numer?

  • @madambutterfly1997
    @madambutterfly1997 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hopefully Aurane Waters is on the list most likely allies to Dany. but seeing as how most Targaryen loyalists in Westeros are already dead, it might be too much of an ask

  • @FirstnameLastname-kn5sw
    @FirstnameLastname-kn5sw 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    07 seconds in
    //record scratch//
    ... Dude the hand is obviously equivalent to the Prime Minister of the King. In matters of succession and let's face it influence, a vice president is more like a little princeling.
    Unless this video was meant to reflect the Cheney administration ;)

  • @po-powaznyludz2235
    @po-powaznyludz2235 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    *Master of war be like:* Am I a joke to you ?

    • @arunsingla3452
      @arunsingla3452 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah because you didn't exist until cersei created you

  • @yousofzaid872
    @yousofzaid872 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isnt aegon the 5th rhaegars son with elia?

    • @360bandman
      @360bandman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No that's the 6th

    • @yousofzaid872
      @yousofzaid872 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@360bandman yeah that comment was me before reading the books, Aegon the 5th is maestor aemons brother and Maekars 4th son, squire to ser duncan the tall and known as Egg, and he was the reason for the burning of summerhall right?

    • @360bandman
      @360bandman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yousofzaid872 yeah

  • @danigpaid3721
    @danigpaid3721 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Varys: The Master of Whispers
    Pycelle: The Master of Whiskers

  • @ada4927
    @ada4927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I might be wrong but isn't there also a Master of War?

  • @lenboy2
    @lenboy2 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hand of the king would be closer to a Prime Minister than a vice President

  • @arthurteixeira9866
    @arthurteixeira9866 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And yet season 8 creates the position of Master of War

    • @matthewhatfield9535
      @matthewhatfield9535 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Arthur Teixeira // Pretty sure Cersei came up with that for Kevan Lannister prior to the High Sparrow storyline.
      Still fabricated it from thin air, just earlier.

    • @arthurteixeira9866
      @arthurteixeira9866 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Matthew Hatfield you’re right! She did created it to have a certain advantage over Kevan! D&D kinda of forgot that it was a empty position