I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon.
Thank you for explaining this. I left the Catholic years many years ago but after following your channel along with some others to better understand what I was taught as a child, I have felt drawn to return.
I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. You should look into Eastern Orthodoxy 🙂
Continue to seek the truth in your journey! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
I'm a Lutheran and this is the first time I've heard this explanation about purgatory. Many Catholics appeal to II Maccabees to justify this doctrine. You make the case in 1 Corinthians and it gave me something new to think about. In these passages you know the Protestant understanding, but for me you get points for defending the argument in the text of 1 Corinthians instead of 2 Maccabees.
Purgatory Jesus' transfiguration Luke 9:28-31 28 Now about eight days after this had been said, he took with him Peter, John and James and went up the mountain to pray. 29 And it happened that, as he was praying, the aspect of his face was changed and his clothing became sparkling white. 30 And suddenly there were two men talking to him; they were Moses and Elijah 31 appearing in glory, and they were speaking of his passing which he was to accomplish in Jerusalem. We know Moses died, and he couldn't have come from heaven because at that stage Jesus hadn't died, and he couldn't have come from hell, because nobody gets out of hell, therefore there must be a place between, could it be the place that Jesus talks about in the parable of Lazarus & the rich man (Luke 16:19-30) 19 There was a rich man who used to dress in purple and fine linen and feast magnificently every day. 20 And at his gate there used to lie a poor man called Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who longed to fill himself with what fell from the rich man's table. Even dogs came and licked his sores. 22 Now it happened that the poor man died and was carried away by the angels into Abraham's embrace. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 'In his torment in Hades he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off with Lazarus in his embrace. 24 So he cried out, "Father Abraham, pity me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in agony in these flames." 25 Abraham said, "My son, remember that during your life you had your fill of good things, just as Lazarus his fill of bad. Now he is being comforted here while you are in agony. 26 But that is not all: between us and you a great gulf has been fixed, to prevent those who want to cross from our side to yours or from your side to ours." 27 'So he said, "Father, I beg you then to send Lazarus to my father's house, 28 since I have five brothers, to give them warning so that they do not come to this place of torment too." 29 Abraham said, "They have Moses and the prophets, let them listen to them." 30 The rich man replied, "Ah no, father Abraham, but if someone comes to them from the dead, they will repent." (Matthew 5:25-26). 25 Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; 26 truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny. Matthew 12:32 , 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” Here Jesus speaks of sin against the Holy Spirit. The implication is that some sins can be forgiven in the world to come. We know that in Hell there is no liberation and in Heaven nothing imperfect can enter it as we see in the next part. Sin is not forgiven when a soul reaches its final destination because in heaven there is no need for forgiveness of sin and in hell the choice to go there is already made. Revelation 21:27 (God tells us that nothing imperfect can enter into heaven) 27but nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies.” The place that is to be entered (the place to which this passage refers) is heaven (read the text around it for context). The Bible clearly implies a place for an intermediate state of purification after we die in the many passages which tell that God will reward or punish according to a person’s life. 1 Peter 3:18-19 (Especially note 19) 18). Christ himself died once and for all for sins, the upright for the sake of the guilty, to lead us to God. In the body he was put to death, in the spirit he was raised to life, 19). and, in the spirit, he went to preach to the spirits in prison. The prison would be purgatory, because there's no point in preaching to people in Hell; because they will never get out. Ponder the following example. Imagine a Christian man, justified by the Lord, loses his temper and yells at his next door neighbours for letting their dog dig a hole in his yard. We can see that the man treated his neighbours rudely, albeit the neighbour’s behavior was also reprehensible. His actions would be considered a light sin (called venial sins by the Catholic Church). It’s not of the same moral weight as theft or murder, but it’s still a sin. After shouting at the neighbours, with all the anger and stress in his body the man walks into his house, has a heart attack, and dies having just committed a small sin in the final moments of his life. Remember, this man is Christian and justified by the Lord, yet has committed a sin. Does he go to heaven or does he go to hell? Are all sins created equal? No, all sins are not equal and even justified men of the Lord can make mistakes and sin. If purgatory didn’t exist, the man would go to hell for his small sin. God’s mercy is so great and our God is a just God that it seems unfathomable that he would condemn a justified man to hell for a small, yet unrepented sin. The man’s soul is dirty. His actions have defiled his soul, but not the point where he has cut himself off from God. Only mortal sins cut off a person from God’s grace. So, the man, having been justified by the Lord, is destined for heaven, yet his soul is defiled by his sin (Matthew 12:36, 15:18). His soul is in need of cleansing because nothing defiled can enter heaven. This is the purpose of purgatory. Out of mercy and love God sends the man through purgatory on his way to heaven so that his soul can be purified to be able to join God in heaven. Remember, purgatory is not a second chance for conversion; the man is already justified. If there is no place of intermediate state of purification, the man would be damned to hell! Who would be saved? Those who teach against purgatory teach an unreasonable doctrine. 1 Corinthians 3:9-15 9 After all, we do share in God's work; you are God's farm, God's building. 10 By the grace of God which was given to me, I laid the foundations like a trained master-builder, and someone else is building on them. Now each one must be careful how he does the building. 11 For nobody can lay down any other foundation than the one which is there already, namely Jesus Christ. 12 On this foundation, different people may build in gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay or straw 13 but each person's handiwork will be shown for what it is. The Day which dawns in fire will make it clear and the fire itself will test the quality of each person's work. 14 The one whose work stands up to it will be given his wages; 15 the one whose work is burnt down will suffer the loss of it, though he himself will be saved; he will be saved as someone might expect to be saved from a fire. This passage speaks of the believer being refined by fire. It is a clear indication of a refining place, purgatory.
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
The concept of purgatory is rooted in Judaism. Chabad/Hassids for example describes purgatory as a washing machine where one is purified and made holy before entering into Sheol to await the Messiah who will open heaven. When a soul enters the realm of the dead, it either sinks down into the hell of the damned or it floats up as it purifies and eventually enters Sheol. Sheol is the limbo of the patriarchs aka Abraham's bosom. Recall Jonah, he entered Sheol as a righteous person for 3 days. It is the upper compartment of the realm of the dead. For christians Christ has already opened heaven, when we die and receive judgement we either go directly to heaven in the case of Saints or we go to purgatory to be purified before entering heaven or we go to hell.
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
@Gregory-Palamas1349 : According to biblical tradition, Jesus gave the apostle Simon the nickname “Cefa” (also spelled Cephas), which is derived from the Aramaic word “Kepa,” meaning “rock” or “stone.” This nickname is mentioned in the New Testament (Galatians 2:9, 1 Corinthians 3:10-11, and 15:5). Significance of the Nickname The significance of Jesus’ nickname “Cefa” for Simon is likely related to Peter’s role as a foundation stone of the early Christian church. As one of Jesus’ closest disciples, Peter played a crucial part in the spread of Christianity, and Jesus may have seen him as a solid and dependable leader. Comparison to Peter It’s worth noting that “Cefa” (Simon) and “Peter” (Simeon) are two different names, although they refer to the same individual. Peter is the Greek translation of Simeon, which was Simon’s original name. Jesus’ use of “Cefa” as a nickname highlights the unique significance of this relationship.
This definition was excellent to help me, new to Catholicism, understand as well as the verses that I can find to explain it. And to share with others I'm trying to help to understand Catholic Christian ideas. Thank you for all your videos, they are excellent.
You should look into Eastern Orthodoxy. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon.
@ashn6346 : for reliable Catholic sources of information Go to TH-cam and type in the following sources : Catholic Truth Voice of Reason Catholic Answers Reason & Theology Blue Collar Catholic Christine Niles Divine Mercy (search within the website Catechism) Father Fulton Sheen God'sCottage JewishCatholic Catholic 4 Rednecks Daily discipleship with Father Kirby Explaining the faith The TRUTH About the Pachamama Vatican Ceremony by Reason and Theology. Catholic Answers can be utilised both ways one via TH-cam and the second way is type your question into a search engine then put the words: Catholic answer You can get onto TH-cam and type Alar & your topic eg Alar purgatory
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Continue your research! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
2 Corinthians St.Paul talks about "Paradise" being a "3rd heaven", what does that really mean? It would make for an interesting video. Great vid my brother you're doing the Lords work
You can refer to the following passages: Luke 23: 43 (_Jesus going in Paradise with a theif) 1 Peter 3: 18-20 (_Jesus after death going to preach for spirits in Prison, as for the Gospel to reach dead men, 1 Peter 4: 6) Luke 16: 19-31 (_dead people befor christ who did righteous thinks would go into Abraham's bosom) Acts 2: 27-31 (_realm of the deads) Ephesians 4: 8-10 (_ Jesus leading host of captives) Revelations 1: 17 (_Jesus with 🔑 ) Be blessed!
Im not sure if the bigger problem is not understanding purgatory or if its how most christians and non believe they dont even need sanctification. In my opinion the more knowledge you have the more sanctification you need in this life
Hi, I watched your video with much interest, thanks for posting. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Could you kindly translate those different translations in English for those who do not know the classic language please? I would like to understand what you replies, but can't. Thank you.
I one time went to my friend protestant Church, and i went to like a bible talk, and this man said that we Catholic believe that Jesus died on the cross half for our sins and the other half we pay it at purgatory and I had to call him out on that because I told him Catholic 100% believe Christ died on the cross for our sins. It's sad that protestant preach, not truth but lies, that will make them look like they are the way, but false preaching leads to wrong ways to Christ.
It sounds like it was just very poorly explained, probably because he dumbed it down too much to be accurate, and not being a Catholic - it is probably fuzzy at best on details likely learned years, perhaps decades ago. Protestants believe in being saved by faith alone (The five solas state that Christians are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed by Scripture alone, to the glory of God alone) Catholics believe in plenary indulgences, which cover temporal sin, So the HALF of sins Jesus covers in this analogy would be the original sin, and sins up until baptism. The other half would be sins committed after which have to be worked off in purgatory after death, or in this life as the church prescribes. Again, it is not a great analogy, but it is not a dishonest answer either. I think your words might be a bit harsh. That said, if he KNEW you were catholic, he was way out of line trying to tell you what catholics believe without first asking you, or putting his understanding in a question form for affirmation or rejection. If he wants do attempt that, it should probably be prefaced with, "From my understanding, etc.," and focus on how Catholics and protestants overlap and differ in ideology, rather than loose explanations that don't make sense without more context like here ^^^^
It is about both. Every verse in scripture speaks to several scales of reality (interior, personal, communal, intercommunal, & cosmic) & many scriptures speak both on matters of doctrine & morality, but also descriptive of patterns of reality.
As a Protestant who is extremely interested in the Roman Catholic Church I’m left at a stopping point when it comes to the doctrine of purgatory. And that is, is Jesus’s blood not enough to wash our sins? Is his blood not washing all sins away? Are so called impurities sins or something else entirely and if so what is it? Thanks!
I heard it explained onetime. Like a child who breaks a window. The act is forgiven and the child isn't punished, but you must still pay for the window. So we are stained by our sin. We've all sinned after our baptism most likely. Our sins are forgiven. Purgatory is the place the stains are removed before being allowed into heaven.
If that were the case, it would be no problem to sin at all: God forgave us, why bother? Jesus has payed for our sins, but we must be cooperators of this grace. It is a matter of fact that Christians sin despite Christ's grace. Even when we confess our sins with true repentance, we still have some attachment to the sinful things we are attracted to. The wounds of sin are healed by Confession, but the scars remain. We are lake Japanese vases that, by sinning, break into pieces. Jesus is the one who pastes the pieces back together when we confess... But the cracks remain and the case is still fragile and they may open at any time. Purgatory, and expiation in our lifetime, are a means to seal these cracks. Do you know the Japanese Kintsugi technique? Well, the principle is the same, filling the cracks with gold to make them vase more resistant and precious at the same time.
The Roman Church is a little off! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Hi there! I really liked the video, you explained purgatory in a much clearer way than I've heard before. And i have a question. In Luke 23:43, Jesus says to the criminal to the side of him on the cross - who very much deserves capital punishment, but believes that Jesus is Lord - 'Today you'll be with me in Paradise'. How does this fit with the idea of purgatory/sanctification?
Before Jesus's resurrection, where was he? In heaven or in Paradise? He said to the thief that he is with him in Paridise. By checking into scriptures what this paridise mean, see 1 Peter 3: 18-20 ( For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.) From Peter, we can say that Paradise was the prison for spirits. Referring to Luke 16: 19-31, the Parable of Richman and Lazarus. Remember, Jesus resurrected Lazarus who was dead. Do you think Jesus confused us with Parable showing poor Lazarus, and resurrected a poor with the same name? Or it really happened (John 11: 38-44) We can ask ourselves where the poor Lazarus was while dead? By referring to 1 Peter 3: 18-20, Luke 16: 19-31, ..... we can understand that the Paradise mentioned was not heaven in which Jesus ascended after resurrection. By such analogy, Jesus was with the Theif where he was gone preaching to Spirits in Prison. Early church fathers, understood that place as Hell. Apostles' Creed: "..... He descended into hell. The third day He rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father almighty. ..." Where he descended, it's where he was with the thief. I think this is helpful!
Maybe not... just hopeful knowing that you WILL be in Heaven at the end of Pergatory, which will bring some peace. It's hard to imagine really what it will feel like. Jesus, I trust in you! ❤
Skipping purgatory would mean that all of the temporal punishment due for your sins has already been paid for during your lifetime before you die, meaning you go straight to Heaven. 2 ways that ALL temporal punishment is remitted is by the sacrament of baptism (which can only be received once and only once), and by receiving a Plenary Indulgence. There are many different ways one can receive a plenary indulgence. You can look them up and see what they all are and see how to receive them 🙏🏽 There are also ways to chip away at your temporal punishment bits at a time. These ways are called partial indulgences. You can look these up as well! I hope this helps! 🙏🏽
@@VoiceOfReason_ As an Eastern Christian, we hold a similar view, but we may disagree on the finer points I read Ancient Catholic texts daily, thus I am convinced that the Eastern view is in line with the views of our Saints. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
But how can we have no sin before we die and be perfect?Because us humans we can’t be perfect the only person that was perfect was Jesus Christ he had no sin but we can’t us humans be perfect because we all have are mistakes we can’t be perfect can someone pls answer my questions God bless?
@AndrewGhioaca-o7u : You can get straight to heaven & that is if you have just repented of your sins even if you are a protestant but have been baptized (depending on the denomination) you can still go to a Catholic church and Go to confession. Confession why it's important to confess to a priest John 20:21-23 21). and he said to them again, 'Peace be with you. 'As the Father sent me, so am I sending you.' 22). After saying this he breathed on them and said: Receive the Holy Spirit. 23). If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone's sins, they are retained. The only way the apostles could either forgive or retain sins is by first hearing those sins confessed, and then making a judgment whether or not the penitent should be absolved. James 5:14-16 14). Any one of you who is ill should send for the elders of the church, and they must anoint the sick person with oil in the name of the Lord and pray over him. 15). The prayer of faith will save the sick person and the Lord will raise him up again; and if he has committed any sins, he will be forgiven. 16). So confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another to be cured; the heartfelt prayer of someone upright works very powerfully. When it comes to one “suffering;” St. James says, “Let him pray.” “Is any cheerful? Let him sing praise.” But when it comes to sickness and personal sins, he tells his readers they must go to the “elders”-not just anyone-in order to receive this “anointing” and the forgiveness of sins. St. James had just told us to go to the presbyter in verse 14 for healing and the forgiveness of sins. Then, verse 16 begins with the word therefore-a conjunction that would seem to connect verse 16 back to verses 14 and 15. The context seems to point to the “elder” as the one to whom we confess our sins. 2 Corinthians 2:10 10). But if you forgive anybody, then I too forgive that person; and whatever I have forgiven, if there is anything I have forgiven, I have done it for your sake in Christ's presence, 2 Corinthians 5:18 18). It is all God's work; he reconciled us to himself through Christ and he gave us the ministry of reconciliation. Matthew 16:19 19). I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.' Matthew 18:18 18). 'In truth I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Where the sacrament of confession is in the Bible As soon as Jesus rose from the dead and earned salvation for us, he brought his apostles a new gift. After speaking peace to them, he said, "As the Father has sent me, even so I send you" (John 20:21). Just as Jesus was sent by the Father to reconcile the world to God, Jesus sent the apostles to continue his mission. Jesus then breathed on the apostles. This is a verse that is often passed over, but it has extraordinary significance because it is only the second time in all of Scripture where God breathes on anyone. The other instance was at the moment of creation, when God breathed his own life into the nostrils of Adam. This should tell us that something of great importance is taking place. Upon doing this, Jesus said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained" (John 20:22-23). Notice that Jesus is not simply commissioning the apostles to preach about God's forgiveness. He is not saying, "Go tell everyone that when God forgives men's sins, they're forgiven." In using the second person plural you, Jesus is telling his apostles that by the power of the Holy Spirit he has given them the power to forgive and retain the sins of men. Having the power to forgive and to retain sins implies that the apostle knows what a person's sins are, which in turn implies oral confession. Otherwise, how is the apostle to know what to retain or forgive? In the same way that Jesus gave his apostles other supernatural powers (such as raising men from the dead), he gave them power to absolve sins (raising them from spiritual death). In Matthew 9, we read that Jesus forgave a paralytic and then healed him so "that you may know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Matt. 9:6) After he exercised this power as a man, the crowds glorified God for having given "such authority to men" (Matt. 9:8, emphasis added). Notice that Matthew indicates this power to forgive sins had been given to men, and not simply to a man.
Best get on the Jesus bus, folks. Time is running out. It will cost you nothing. Seriously....it will cost you nothing but you will gain everything. The gift of everlasting life.
If you know that a person you love will one day get healed from the illness afflicting him/her, wouldn't you still do all you can to reduce that person's suffering and to shorten the healing process by administering some form of medicine?
Sorry mate but purgatory is not biblical! Yes, nothing unclean may enter heaven but what has made us clean? It is by Christs death and resurrection by faith we believe and are justified and by confessing Christ is Lord and are saved. Yes God disciplines us but you are assuming that means after death. Nothing indicates that understanding except for the living. Lastly why do you make God remember our sins? Does not God say that I will not remember your sins? Yes he does, well then, those who believe and obey God are saved and made clean by his blood!
In your estimation, what happens to a believing Christian who dies the same day he committed rape? Even if he repented in the last second of his life, in what way is that person able to stand before God and how are they made clean from, clearly, in part, unclean? In Catholic theology, we have a logical and full understanding of how this happens (though Purgatory itself is still a bit mysterious). Many saints and mystics have seen or heard from souls in Purgatory. It is real, and we should all strive to not have to go! There is also purgatory implied by Jesus Himself. "If somebody ever says that Purgatory is foreign to Christianity and is just a "Catholic" thing, take them to Luke 12. For Jesus Himself speaks of it, saying, Peter said, “Lord, are you telling this parable for us or for all?” And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise steward, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master when he comes will find so doing. Truly, I tell you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will punish him, and put him with the unfaithful. And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating. Every one to whom much is given, of him will much be required; and of him to whom men commit much they will demand the more. Jesus is speaking of how His final coming will be like a thief in the night. Those who are prepared for His coming will enter into eternal life. Now, if a thief was coming to your house, it’d be difficult to sleep, cause there’d be a certain level of anxiety about his arrival. Same is true for Jesus and His disciples. They cannot sleep and commit the deadly sin of sloth, but must keep doing good. To drive this point home, Jesus speaks of four different disciples and their outcomes. 1. The first is ready for the thief, because he is a servant of the master and does good work for Him consistently. Heaven is his end. 2. The next is someone who is a servant of God, the Master, but does evil. He becomes slothful in doing good work for the master and beats his servants and is glutinous in food and drink. So, the master will, to translate it literally, “cut him in pieces” or “dismember him,” implying death, and put him with the unfaithful (Hell). So far, these two options are typical of Jesus’ preaching. Such as his parable about the sheep and the goats. But, it gets more interesting from here. 3. The next servant is somebody who becomes slothful, but does not beat his servants. He does a less grievous in his laziness/unpreparedness in continuing in good works. He knows what he should be doing, but doesn’t do it. So, he gets a severe beating, and is not “cut in pieces” (dead). This man did not go to the extreme of beating his servants and committing gluttony. This is purgatory. 4. The final servant is somebody who does not know the will of the master who will come at an unexpected time. He does evil, but was not explicitly told by the master what to do. So, this man only receives a “light” beating. This also is purgatory. Thus, as we have seen, Jesus speaks of Purgatory. This is from Professor of Sacred Scripture, Dr. Brant Pitre." This is a very simple and quick explanation, much more could be said. Highly recommend Brant Pitre's work in books and all over youtube by the way. But to me in the fourth example you have Jesus even alluding to the hope that someone who did not know Jesus could be saved, as their culpability would afford them a different standard of judgment. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong to think that. Peace.
is purgatory A place where all of us who are saved by Christ and have faith in him will Go because the only way to get to heaven is to be perfect but us humans we can’t be perfect because we all have sins , the only person who had no sin was Jesus Christ ., and also when Jesus said to the thief on the cross you will be with me in paradise he was talking about adams bosom where Christ went and took Abraham etc but why did the thief go to paradise and not to purgatory because he was a sinner while on earth like us humans? but even if we have faith in Christ and accept him as are lord and savour and we have been saved by grace will we still go to purgatory ?
@AndrewGhioaca-o7u: first let me explain about the thief on the cross : God is outside of time Luke 9:27 'I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.' This is not about the end of the world, for “the kingdom of God is in the midst of you” (Luke 17:21), and some of Jesus’ disciples were about to see it manifested in a powerful way. In each Synoptic Gospel (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), the Transfiguration immediately follows Jesus’ announcement (Matt. 17:1-9; Mark 9:2-10; Luke 9:28-36). Jesus takes three of the disciples-Peter, James, and John-up a mountain. His clothing becomes dazzlingly bright, Moses and Elijah appear beside him, everyone is enveloped in a cloud, and God the Father speaks from heaven, identifying Jesus as his Son and his Chosen, and declaring, “Hear him!” This manifestation is the coming of the kingdom “with power” that Jesus referred to, and the text of each Gospel suggests that this is the way the evangelists understood it. Not only does the Transfiguration happen right after the announcement, but each Gospel says it was about a week later (Matt. 17:1, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:28-the slight difference in the number of days may reflect reckoning parts of days as wholes and counting days as beginning at sunset, midnight, or dawn). Peter, James, and John thus were the three who did not taste death before they saw the kingdom coming with power Luke 23: 42-43 concerning the thief on the cross: 42). Then he said, 'Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.' 43). He answered him, 'In truth I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.' The Greek manuscripts containing Jesus’ words do not contain punctuation, so it is not certain where commas should be placed. Consider this possibility: “Truly, I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise.”
@AndrewGhioaca-o7u : Purgatory Jesus' transfiguration Luke 9:28-31 28 Now about eight days after this had been said, he took with him Peter, John and James and went up the mountain to pray. 29 And it happened that, as he was praying, the aspect of his face was changed and his clothing became sparkling white. 30 And suddenly there were two men talking to him; they were Moses and Elijah 31 appearing in glory, and they were speaking of his passing which he was to accomplish in Jerusalem. We know Moses died, and he couldn't have come from heaven because at that stage Jesus hadn't died, and he couldn't have come from hell, because nobody gets out of hell, therefore there must be a place between, could it be the place that Jesus talks about in the parable of Lazarus & the rich man (Luke 16:19-30) 19 There was a rich man who used to dress in purple and fine linen and feast magnificently every day. 20 And at his gate there used to lie a poor man called Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who longed to fill himself with what fell from the rich man's table. Even dogs came and licked his sores. 22 Now it happened that the poor man died and was carried away by the angels into Abraham's embrace. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 'In his torment in Hades he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off with Lazarus in his embrace. 24 So he cried out, "Father Abraham, pity me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in agony in these flames." 25 Abraham said, "My son, remember that during your life you had your fill of good things, just as Lazarus his fill of bad. Now he is being comforted here while you are in agony. 26 But that is not all: between us and you a great gulf has been fixed, to prevent those who want to cross from our side to yours or from your side to ours." 27 'So he said, "Father, I beg you then to send Lazarus to my father's house, 28 since I have five brothers, to give them warning so that they do not come to this place of torment too." 29 Abraham said, "They have Moses and the prophets, let them listen to them." 30 The rich man replied, "Ah no, father Abraham, but if someone comes to them from the dead, they will repent." (Matthew 5:25-26). 25 Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; 26 truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny. Matthew 12:32 , 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” Here Jesus speaks of sin against the Holy Spirit. The implication is that some sins can be forgiven in the world to come. We know that in Hell there is no liberation and in Heaven nothing imperfect can enter it as we see in the next part. Sin is not forgiven when a soul reaches its final destination because in heaven there is no need for forgiveness of sin and in hell the choice to go there is already made. Revelation 21:27 (God tells us that nothing imperfect can enter into heaven) 27but nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies.” The place that is to be entered (the place to which this passage refers) is heaven (read the text around it for context). The Bible clearly implies a place for an intermediate state of purification after we die in the many passages which tell that God will reward or punish according to a person’s life. 1 Peter 3:18-19 (Especially note 19) 18). Christ himself died once and for all for sins, the upright for the sake of the guilty, to lead us to God. In the body he was put to death, in the spirit he was raised to life, 19). and, in the spirit, he went to preach to the spirits in prison. The prison would be purgatory, because there's no point in preaching to people in Hell; because they will never get out. Ponder the following example. Imagine a Christian man, justified by the Lord, loses his temper and yells at his next door neighbours for letting their dog dig a hole in his yard. We can see that the man treated his neighbours rudely, albeit the neighbour’s behavior was also reprehensible. His actions would be considered a light sin (called venial sins by the Catholic Church). It’s not of the same moral weight as theft or murder, but it’s still a sin. After shouting at the neighbours, with all the anger and stress in his body the man walks into his house, has a heart attack, and dies having just committed a small sin in the final moments of his life. Remember, this man is Christian and justified by the Lord, yet has committed a sin. Does he go to heaven or does he go to hell? Are all sins created equal? No, all sins are not equal and even justified men of the Lord can make mistakes and sin. If purgatory didn’t exist, the man would go to hell for his small sin. God’s mercy is so great and our God is a just God that it seems unfathomable that he would condemn a justified man to hell for a small, yet unrepented sin. The man’s soul is dirty. His actions have defiled his soul, but not the point where he has cut himself off from God. Only mortal sins cut off a person from God’s grace. So, the man, having been justified by the Lord, is destined for heaven, yet his soul is defiled by his sin (Matthew 12:36, 15:18). His soul is in need of cleansing because nothing defiled can enter heaven. This is the purpose of purgatory. Out of mercy and love God sends the man through purgatory on his way to heaven so that his soul can be purified to be able to join God in heaven. Remember, purgatory is not a second chance for conversion; the man is already justified. If there is no place of intermediate state of purification, the man would be damned to hell! Who would be saved? Those who teach against purgatory teach an unreasonable doctrine. 1 Corinthians 3:9-15 9 After all, we do share in God's work; you are God's farm, God's building. 10 By the grace of God which was given to me, I laid the foundations like a trained master-builder, and someone else is building on them. Now each one must be careful how he does the building. 11 For nobody can lay down any other foundation than the one which is there already, namely Jesus Christ. 12 On this foundation, different people may build in gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay or straw 13 but each person's handiwork will be shown for what it is. The Day which dawns in fire will make it clear and the fire itself will test the quality of each person's work. 14 The one whose work stands up to it will be given his wages; 15 the one whose work is burnt down will suffer the loss of it, though he himself will be saved; he will be saved as someone might expect to be saved from a fire. This passage speaks of the believer being refined by fire. It is a clear indication of a refining place, purgatory.
Does salvation mean that you go to purgatory and justified mean that you go to heaven? Because Ephesians 2:8-9 says that salvation is from faith as a gift from god and James 2:24 says that you’re justified by works and not faith alone
@@VoiceOfReason_ Ok, is it possible to go directly to heaven if you’re baptized, confirmed, have done communion and repents for sins or does everyone go to purgatory before?
@@VoiceOfReason_ ok thank you. Do you think you have to believe in papal infallibility to be a catholic? First one that believed it was Peter olivi in 13th century
We are made perfectly clean because of Jesus, not purgatory. His blood cleanses from all sins. Past, present, future. Born again christian cannot die in their sins because of Jesus's sacrifice that cleanses us You're underminig what Jesus has done on the cross. Terrible. I guess Jesus failed to mention baptism to Nicodemus, huh? Plus, we are not born again after we are baptized. What kind of christianity are you proclaiming? So many basic errors. It's terryfing.
This is a gross misuse of scripture. None of us is good. We enter heaven ONLY from the righteousness credited to us from Christ. There is no work we can do to "help" that. Sanctification has zero to do with eternal salvation. As a reault of being saved, you will be sanctified. There is no work that is considered good enough to help earn righteousness. Paul is CLEAR in that, as was Jesus.
James 2:24: ”You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.” Mark 16:16 ”Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” So you have to be baptized John 6:53: ““Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” So you have to do communion/Eucharist and believe that it’s his body and blood, not just symbolic to have eternal life. Acts 8:14-17 talks about people that were baptized but didn’t receive the holy spirit so Peter and John laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. It’s about confirmation And James 2:22 says that faith is completed by works.
Brother, when we do a good work is it not Christ working in & through us? By consenting to do the will of God are we not building up a greater habit of holiness? Are we then not becoming more like Christ? To become more like Christ is to become holier because Christ is Holy & to do good works for Christ’s Namesake is thus to be further sanctified (made holy).
Rome has had different definitions at different times. The Bible verses given do not indicate purgatory. Finally, indulgences (pieces of paper with a bunch of words) can subtract time from purgatory. So indulgences can do what Jesus sacrifice could not….don’t think so.
That is not what an indulgence is. I could be wrong but the time associated with each indulgenced act (such as 300 days) is not time shaved off from purgatory. The time is that that act when done in the proper state & disposition is equivalent of those amount of days of penance.
Thank you for being a Catholic defender.
This channel helps me to be a faithful catholic.
I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon.
Thank you for explaining this. I left the Catholic years many years ago but after following your channel along with some others to better understand what I was taught as a child, I have felt drawn to return.
God bless you. I’m always here if you have any questions. Know of my prayers for you in your journey returning home 🙏🏽
@@VoiceOfReason_ thank you. God bless.
I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. You should look into Eastern Orthodoxy 🙂
very good explanation, you helped me go from protestant to Catholic God bless you
Continue to seek the truth in your journey! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
what is the difference in so confused
I'm a Lutheran and this is the first time I've heard this explanation about purgatory. Many Catholics appeal to II Maccabees to justify this doctrine. You make the case in 1 Corinthians and it gave me something new to think about. In these passages you know the Protestant understanding, but for me you get points for defending the argument in the text of 1 Corinthians instead of 2 Maccabees.
Purgatory
Jesus' transfiguration Luke 9:28-31
28 Now about eight days after this had been said, he took with him Peter, John and James and went up the mountain to pray.
29 And it happened that, as he was praying, the aspect of his face was changed and his clothing became sparkling white.
30 And suddenly there were two men talking to him; they were Moses and Elijah
31 appearing in glory, and they were speaking of his passing which he was to accomplish in Jerusalem.
We know Moses died, and he couldn't have come from heaven because at that stage Jesus hadn't died, and he couldn't have come from hell, because nobody gets out of hell, therefore there must be a place between, could it be the place that Jesus talks about in the parable of Lazarus & the rich man (Luke 16:19-30)
19 There was a rich man who used to dress in purple and fine linen and feast magnificently every day.
20 And at his gate there used to lie a poor man called Lazarus, covered with sores,
21 who longed to fill himself with what fell from the rich man's table. Even dogs came and licked his sores.
22 Now it happened that the poor man died and was carried away by the angels into Abraham's embrace. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 'In his torment in Hades he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off with Lazarus in his embrace.
24 So he cried out, "Father Abraham, pity me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in agony in these flames."
25 Abraham said, "My son, remember that during your life you had your fill of good things, just as Lazarus his fill of bad. Now he is being comforted here while you are in agony.
26 But that is not all: between us and you a great gulf has been fixed, to prevent those who want to cross from our side to yours or from your side to ours."
27 'So he said, "Father, I beg you then to send Lazarus to my father's house,
28 since I have five brothers, to give them warning so that they do not come to this place of torment too."
29 Abraham said, "They have Moses and the prophets, let them listen to them."
30 The rich man replied, "Ah no, father Abraham, but if someone comes to them from the dead, they will repent."
(Matthew 5:25-26).
25 Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be
put in prison;
26 truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.
Matthew 12:32 ,
32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”
Here Jesus speaks of sin against the Holy Spirit. The implication is that some sins can be forgiven in the world to come. We know that in Hell there is no liberation and in Heaven nothing imperfect can enter it as we see in the next part. Sin is not forgiven when a soul reaches its final destination because in heaven there is no need for forgiveness of sin and in hell the choice to go there is already made.
Revelation 21:27 (God tells us that nothing imperfect can enter into heaven)
27but nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies.” The place that is to be entered (the place to which this passage refers) is heaven (read the text around it for context).
The Bible clearly implies a place for an intermediate state of purification after we die in the many passages which tell that God will reward or punish according to a person’s life.
1 Peter 3:18-19 (Especially note 19)
18). Christ himself died once and for all for sins, the upright for the sake of the guilty, to lead us to God. In the body he was put to death, in the spirit he was raised to life,
19). and, in the spirit, he went to preach to the spirits in prison.
The prison would be purgatory, because there's no point in preaching to people in Hell; because they will never get out.
Ponder the following example. Imagine a Christian man, justified by the Lord, loses his temper and yells at his next door neighbours for letting their dog dig a hole in his yard. We can see that the man treated his neighbours rudely, albeit the neighbour’s behavior was also reprehensible. His actions would be considered a light sin (called venial sins by the Catholic Church). It’s not of the same moral weight as theft or murder, but it’s still a sin.
After shouting at the neighbours, with all the anger and stress in his body the man walks into his house, has a heart attack, and dies having just committed a small sin in the final moments of his life. Remember, this man is Christian and justified by the Lord, yet has committed a sin. Does he go to heaven or does he go to hell? Are all sins created equal? No, all sins are not equal and even justified men of the Lord can make mistakes and sin.
If purgatory didn’t exist, the man would go to hell for his small sin. God’s mercy is so great and our God is a just God that it seems unfathomable that he would condemn a justified man to hell for a small, yet unrepented sin. The man’s soul is dirty. His actions have defiled his soul, but not the point where he has cut himself off from God. Only mortal sins cut off a person from God’s grace. So, the man, having been justified by the Lord, is destined for heaven, yet his soul is defiled by his sin (Matthew 12:36, 15:18). His soul is in need of cleansing because nothing defiled can enter heaven. This is the purpose of purgatory. Out of mercy and love God sends the man through purgatory on his way to heaven so that his soul can be purified to be able to join God in heaven.
Remember, purgatory is not a second chance for conversion; the man is already justified. If there is no place of intermediate state of purification, the man would be damned to hell! Who would be saved? Those who teach against purgatory teach an unreasonable doctrine.
1 Corinthians 3:9-15
9 After all, we do share in God's work; you are God's farm, God's building.
10 By the grace of God which was given to me, I laid the foundations like a trained master-builder, and someone else is building on them. Now each one must be careful how he does the building.
11 For nobody can lay down any other foundation than the one which is there already, namely Jesus Christ.
12 On this foundation, different people may build in gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay or straw
13 but each person's handiwork will be shown for what it is. The Day which dawns in fire will make it clear and the fire itself will test the quality of each person's work.
14 The one whose work stands up to it will be given his wages;
15 the one whose work is burnt down will suffer the loss of it, though he himself will be saved; he will be saved as someone might expect to be saved from a fire.
This passage speaks of the believer being refined by fire. It is a clear indication of a refining place, purgatory.
Thank you sir. I'm starting to understand it more now thanks to you.
Thank you brother, God bless you abundantly for your good definition regarding purgatory.
The best explanation i have seen thank you brother
Great stuff... God bless
That was a very clear description of purgatory thank you . I hope it helps those that watch this video.
ATB
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Amen!!now i understood what purgatory is..thank you😇☝🏾
I've never heard purgatory explained so clearly thanks a lot
The concept of purgatory is rooted in Judaism. Chabad/Hassids for example describes purgatory as a washing machine where one is purified and made holy before entering into Sheol to await the Messiah who will open heaven. When a soul enters the realm of the dead, it either sinks down into the hell of the damned or it floats up as it purifies and eventually enters Sheol. Sheol is the limbo of the patriarchs aka Abraham's bosom. Recall Jonah, he entered Sheol as a righteous person for 3 days. It is the upper compartment of the realm of the dead. For christians Christ has already opened heaven, when we die and receive judgement we either go directly to heaven in the case of Saints or we go to purgatory to be purified before entering heaven or we go to hell.
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
You mean gehinnom which lasts about 12 months
@Gregory-Palamas1349 : According to biblical tradition, Jesus gave the apostle Simon the nickname “Cefa” (also spelled Cephas), which is derived from the Aramaic word “Kepa,” meaning “rock” or “stone.” This nickname is mentioned in the New Testament (Galatians 2:9, 1 Corinthians 3:10-11, and 15:5).
Significance of the Nickname
The significance of Jesus’ nickname “Cefa” for Simon is likely related to Peter’s role as a foundation stone of the early Christian church. As one of Jesus’ closest disciples, Peter played a crucial part in the spread of Christianity, and Jesus may have seen him as a solid and dependable leader.
Comparison to Peter
It’s worth noting that “Cefa” (Simon) and “Peter” (Simeon) are two different names, although they refer to the same individual. Peter is the Greek translation of Simeon, which was Simon’s original name. Jesus’ use of “Cefa” as a nickname highlights the unique significance of this relationship.
Amen! 💯!
This definition was excellent to help me, new to Catholicism, understand as well as the verses that I can find to explain it. And to share with others I'm trying to help to understand Catholic Christian ideas. Thank you for all your videos, they are excellent.
You should look into Eastern Orthodoxy. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon.
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@Gregory-Palamas1349: Jesus & his disciples didn't speak Greek! They spoke Aramaic, it was translated to Greek much later
God sanctifying us at baptism. And we are being cleansed by God in Purgatory. Temporal punishment. The foundation is indeed God.
You explain it so clear .. thank you 🙏
This is one of my favourite topics thank you
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord
@@GeeRodd the Bible doesn’t say that 👀
Amen🙏thank you for explaining it well and clear.. Thank you🙏
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Your voice is so cool and deep and serious
Sometimes I picture Rambo or Rocky explaining the church when I watch these awesome videos
Thank you so much man I was just researching on that topic and now I see your vid
Continue your research! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Third + Amen
Interesting topic. What do you think about all the private purgatory revelations from saints like St Faustina and St. Catherine of Genoa?
Thank you so much. 🙏
Cool voice 😊
Thank you so much ! I always thought it was a place between Heaven and Hell. I heard a prayer about it in mass the other day and I was so confused 😅
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2 Corinthians St.Paul talks about "Paradise" being a "3rd heaven", what does that really mean? It would make for an interesting video. Great vid my brother you're doing the Lords work
You can refer to the following passages:
Luke 23: 43 (_Jesus going in Paradise with a theif)
1 Peter 3: 18-20 (_Jesus after death going to preach for spirits in Prison, as for the Gospel to reach dead men, 1 Peter 4: 6)
Luke 16: 19-31 (_dead people befor christ who did righteous thinks would go into Abraham's bosom)
Acts 2: 27-31 (_realm of the deads)
Ephesians 4: 8-10 (_ Jesus leading host of captives)
Revelations 1: 17 (_Jesus with 🔑 )
Be blessed!
Im not sure if the bigger problem is not understanding purgatory or if its how most christians and non believe they dont even need sanctification. In my opinion the more knowledge you have the more sanctification you need in this life
Hi, I watched your video with much interest, thanks for posting. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Could you kindly translate those different translations in English for those who do not know the classic language please? I would like to understand what you replies, but can't. Thank you.
I one time went to my friend protestant Church, and i went to like a bible talk, and this man said that we Catholic believe that Jesus died on the cross half for our sins and the other half we pay it at purgatory and I had to call him out on that because I told him Catholic 100% believe Christ died on the cross for our sins. It's sad that protestant preach, not truth but lies, that will make them look like they are the way, but false preaching leads to wrong ways to Christ.
It sounds like it was just very poorly explained, probably because he dumbed it down too much to be accurate, and not being a Catholic - it is probably fuzzy at best on details likely learned years, perhaps decades ago.
Protestants believe in being saved by faith alone (The five solas state that Christians are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed by Scripture alone, to the glory of God alone)
Catholics believe in plenary indulgences, which cover temporal sin,
So the HALF of sins Jesus covers in this analogy would be the original sin, and sins up until baptism. The other half would be sins committed after which have to be worked off in purgatory after death, or in this life as the church prescribes.
Again, it is not a great analogy, but it is not a dishonest answer either. I think your words might be a bit harsh.
That said, if he KNEW you were catholic, he was way out of line trying to tell you what catholics believe without first asking you, or putting his understanding in a question form for affirmation or rejection.
If he wants do attempt that, it should probably be prefaced with, "From my understanding, etc.," and focus on how Catholics and protestants overlap and differ in ideology, rather than loose explanations that don't make sense without more context like here ^^^^
I know for a fact that Purgatory is a place. I have been skiing there ;-) (That was a joke.) Thanks for the great explanation!
I’ve noticed your A Tribe Called Quest shirt and other band shirts. What are your thoughts on listening to secular music?
When Jesus is speaking, is it not about murder and anger so how does it correspond with purgatory?
It is about both. Every verse in scripture speaks to several scales of reality (interior, personal, communal, intercommunal, & cosmic) & many scriptures speak both on matters of doctrine & morality, but also descriptive of patterns of reality.
As a Protestant who is extremely interested in the Roman Catholic Church I’m left at a stopping point when it comes to the doctrine of purgatory. And that is, is Jesus’s blood not enough to wash our sins? Is his blood not washing all sins away? Are so called impurities sins or something else entirely and if so what is it? Thanks!
Yes but this process of washing our sins away is happening in purgatory, for those who die in a state of grace but still have attachment to sin.
Come back home Protestant
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I heard it explained onetime. Like a child who breaks a window. The act is forgiven and the child isn't punished, but you must still pay for the window.
So we are stained by our sin. We've all sinned after our baptism most likely. Our sins are forgiven. Purgatory is the place the stains are removed before being allowed into heaven.
If that were the case, it would be no problem to sin at all: God forgave us, why bother?
Jesus has payed for our sins, but we must be cooperators of this grace. It is a matter of fact that Christians sin despite Christ's grace. Even when we confess our sins with true repentance, we still have some attachment to the sinful things we are attracted to. The wounds of sin are healed by Confession, but the scars remain.
We are lake Japanese vases that, by sinning, break into pieces. Jesus is the one who pastes the pieces back together when we confess... But the cracks remain and the case is still fragile and they may open at any time. Purgatory, and expiation in our lifetime, are a means to seal these cracks. Do you know the Japanese Kintsugi technique? Well, the principle is the same, filling the cracks with gold to make them vase more resistant and precious at the same time.
The Roman Church is a little off! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
So it is the refining fire?
Hi there! I really liked the video, you explained purgatory in a much clearer way than I've heard before. And i have a question. In Luke 23:43, Jesus says to the criminal to the side of him on the cross - who very much deserves capital punishment, but believes that Jesus is Lord - 'Today you'll be with me in Paradise'. How does this fit with the idea of purgatory/sanctification?
Before Jesus's resurrection, where was he? In heaven or in Paradise?
He said to the thief that he is with him in Paridise. By checking into scriptures what this paridise mean, see 1 Peter 3: 18-20 ( For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.)
From Peter, we can say that Paradise was the prison for spirits.
Referring to Luke 16: 19-31, the Parable of Richman and Lazarus. Remember, Jesus resurrected Lazarus who was dead. Do you think Jesus confused us with Parable showing poor Lazarus, and resurrected a poor with the same name? Or it really happened (John 11: 38-44)
We can ask ourselves where the poor Lazarus was while dead?
By referring to 1 Peter 3: 18-20, Luke 16: 19-31, ..... we can understand that the Paradise mentioned was not heaven in which Jesus ascended after resurrection.
By such analogy, Jesus was with the Theif where he was gone preaching to Spirits in Prison.
Early church fathers, understood that place as Hell.
Apostles' Creed: "..... He descended into hell. The third day He rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father almighty. ..."
Where he descended, it's where he was with the thief.
I think this is helpful!
Thanks
If you can do another deeper take pleaee... i loved this but ill need more to conviced my girlfriend
Good job
In Judaism we believe the soul goes to a place called Gehenna. A place of purification of the soul before it returns to HaShem
@treymorman410 : If you look deeper you will discover that the Catholic teachings are actually a continuation of the Torah
Could you do a video of the 10 commandments?
tysm bro
This is why protestants argue with other protestants about once saved always saved 😅
I heard someone say that purgatory is not a pleasant place is that true ?
Maybe not... just hopeful knowing that you WILL be in Heaven at the end of Pergatory, which will bring some peace. It's hard to imagine really what it will feel like. Jesus, I trust in you! ❤
Purgatory is just Sheol which is divided into two sections Abrahams bosom and hades. But this is temporary until the judgment
How can we avoid purgatory I know it’s not a bad place because only people that are saved by Christ go their but how do we go straight to heaven
How can you skip purgatory? Do only saints skip purgatory?
Skipping purgatory would mean that all of the temporal punishment due for your sins has already been paid for during your lifetime before you die, meaning you go straight to Heaven.
2 ways that ALL temporal punishment is remitted is by the sacrament of baptism (which can only be received once and only once), and by receiving a Plenary Indulgence. There are many different ways one can receive a plenary indulgence. You can look them up and see what they all are and see how to receive them 🙏🏽
There are also ways to chip away at your temporal punishment bits at a time. These ways are called partial indulgences. You can look these up as well!
I hope this helps! 🙏🏽
@@VoiceOfReason_ thank you 🙏, also how do we know if our works are good (like gems) in the eyes of God or not?
@@VoiceOfReason_ As an Eastern Christian, we hold a similar view, but we may disagree on the finer points I read Ancient Catholic texts daily, thus I am convinced that the Eastern view is in line with the views of our Saints. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
But how can we have no sin before we die and be perfect?Because us humans we can’t be perfect the only person that was perfect was Jesus Christ he had no sin but we can’t us humans be perfect because we all have are mistakes we can’t be perfect can someone pls answer my questions God bless?
@AndrewGhioaca-o7u : You can get straight to heaven & that is if you have just repented of your sins even if you are a protestant but have been baptized (depending on the denomination) you can still go to a Catholic church and Go to confession. Confession why it's important to confess to a priest
John 20:21-23
21). and he said to them again, 'Peace be with you. 'As the Father sent me, so am I sending you.'
22). After saying this he breathed on them and said: Receive the Holy Spirit.
23). If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone's sins, they are retained.
The only way the apostles could either forgive or retain sins is by first hearing those sins confessed, and then making a judgment whether or not the penitent should be absolved.
James 5:14-16
14). Any one of you who is ill should send for the elders of the church, and they must anoint the sick person with oil in the name of the Lord and pray over him.
15). The prayer of faith will save the sick person and the Lord will raise him up again; and if he has committed any sins, he will be forgiven.
16). So confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another to be cured; the heartfelt prayer of someone upright works very powerfully.
When it comes to one “suffering;” St. James says, “Let him pray.” “Is any cheerful? Let him sing praise.” But when it comes to sickness and personal sins, he tells his readers they must go to the “elders”-not just anyone-in order to receive this “anointing” and the forgiveness of sins.
St. James had just told us to go to the presbyter in verse 14 for healing and the forgiveness of sins. Then, verse 16 begins with the word therefore-a conjunction that would seem to connect verse 16 back to verses 14 and 15. The context seems to point to the “elder” as the one to whom we confess our sins.
2 Corinthians 2:10
10). But if you forgive anybody, then I too forgive that person; and whatever I have forgiven, if there is anything I have forgiven, I have done it for your sake in Christ's presence,
2 Corinthians 5:18
18). It is all God's work; he reconciled us to himself through Christ and he gave us the ministry of reconciliation.
Matthew 16:19
19). I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.'
Matthew 18:18
18). 'In truth I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Where the sacrament of confession is in the Bible
As soon as Jesus rose from the dead and earned salvation for us, he brought his apostles a new gift. After speaking peace to them, he said, "As the Father has sent me, even so I send you" (John 20:21). Just as Jesus was sent by the Father to reconcile the world to God, Jesus sent the apostles to continue his mission.
Jesus then breathed on the apostles. This is a verse that is often passed over, but it has extraordinary significance because it is only the second time in all of Scripture where God breathes on anyone. The other instance was at the moment of creation, when God breathed his own life into the nostrils of Adam. This should tell us that something of great importance is taking place. Upon doing this, Jesus said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained" (John 20:22-23).
Notice that Jesus is not simply commissioning the apostles to preach about God's forgiveness. He is not saying, "Go tell everyone that when God forgives men's sins, they're forgiven." In using the second person plural you, Jesus is telling his apostles that by the power of the Holy Spirit he has given them the power to forgive and retain the sins of men.
Having the power to forgive and to retain sins implies that the apostle knows what a person's sins are, which in turn implies oral confession. Otherwise, how is the apostle to know what to retain or forgive?
In the same way that Jesus gave his apostles other supernatural powers (such as raising men from the dead), he gave them power to absolve sins (raising them from spiritual death). In Matthew 9, we read that Jesus forgave a paralytic and then healed him so "that you may know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Matt. 9:6)
After he exercised this power as a man, the crowds glorified God for having given "such authority to men" (Matt. 9:8, emphasis added). Notice that Matthew indicates this power to forgive sins had been given to men, and not simply to a man.
Best get on the Jesus bus, folks. Time is running out. It will cost you nothing. Seriously....it will cost you nothing but you will gain everything. The gift of everlasting life.
Amen! Let us all repent and turn to Christ! Let us all be United to Him by being United to His Holy Catholic Church 🙏🏽
Why do we pray for people in purgatory is their fate has already been determined and they don’t get a second chance
Read 2nd macabees
Great question! We pray for their full sanctification and that they enter the Beatific Vision as quickly as possible 🙏🏽
If you know that a person you love will one day get healed from the illness afflicting him/her, wouldn't you still do all you can to reduce that person's suffering and to shorten the healing process by administering some form of medicine?
Good analogy@@alessandroarsuffi9227
Sorry mate but purgatory is not biblical! Yes, nothing unclean may enter heaven but what has made us clean? It is by Christs death and resurrection by faith we believe and are justified and by confessing Christ is Lord and are saved.
Yes God disciplines us but you are assuming that means after death. Nothing indicates that understanding except for the living.
Lastly why do you make God remember our sins? Does not God say that I will not remember your sins? Yes he does, well then, those who believe and obey God are saved and made clean by his blood!
God knows your sins, God knows all
@maancrusader yes, but God says that he will no longer remember or hold your sins against you. In Christ we have been washed clean by his blood.
@@danielhaas9469 purgatory is not holding sins against you
@maancrusader it must certainly is
In your estimation, what happens to a believing Christian who dies the same day he committed rape? Even if he repented in the last second of his life, in what way is that person able to stand before God and how are they made clean from, clearly, in part, unclean? In Catholic theology, we have a logical and full understanding of how this happens (though Purgatory itself is still a bit mysterious). Many saints and mystics have seen or heard from souls in Purgatory. It is real, and we should all strive to not have to go!
There is also purgatory implied by Jesus Himself.
"If somebody ever says that Purgatory is foreign to Christianity and is just a "Catholic" thing, take them to Luke 12. For Jesus Himself speaks of it, saying,
Peter said, “Lord, are you telling this parable for us or for all?” And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise steward, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master when he comes will find so doing. Truly, I tell you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will punish him, and put him with the unfaithful. And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating. Every one to whom much is given, of him will much be required; and of him to whom men commit much they will demand the more.
Jesus is speaking of how His final coming will be like a thief in the night. Those who are prepared for His coming will enter into eternal life. Now, if a thief was coming to your house, it’d be difficult to sleep, cause there’d be a certain level of anxiety about his arrival. Same is true for Jesus and His disciples. They cannot sleep and commit the deadly sin of sloth, but must keep doing good. To drive this point home, Jesus speaks of four different disciples and their outcomes.
1. The first is ready for the thief, because he is a servant of the master and does good work for Him consistently. Heaven is his end.
2. The next is someone who is a servant of God, the Master, but does evil. He becomes slothful in doing good work for the master and beats his servants and is glutinous in food and drink. So, the master will, to translate it literally, “cut him in pieces” or “dismember him,” implying death, and put him with the unfaithful (Hell).
So far, these two options are typical of Jesus’ preaching. Such as his parable about the sheep and the goats. But, it gets more interesting from here.
3. The next servant is somebody who becomes slothful, but does not beat his servants. He does a less grievous in his laziness/unpreparedness in continuing in good works. He knows what he should be doing, but doesn’t do it. So, he gets a severe beating, and is not “cut in pieces” (dead). This man did not go to the extreme of beating his servants and committing gluttony. This is purgatory.
4. The final servant is somebody who does not know the will of the master who will come at an unexpected time. He does evil, but was not explicitly told by the master what to do. So, this man only receives a “light” beating. This also is purgatory.
Thus, as we have seen, Jesus speaks of Purgatory. This is from Professor of Sacred Scripture, Dr. Brant Pitre."
This is a very simple and quick explanation, much more could be said. Highly recommend Brant Pitre's work in books and all over youtube by the way. But to me in the fourth example you have Jesus even alluding to the hope that someone who did not know Jesus could be saved, as their culpability would afford them a different standard of judgment. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong to think that. Peace.
is purgatory A place where all of us who are saved by Christ and have faith in him will Go because the only way to get to heaven is to be perfect but us humans we can’t be perfect because we all have sins , the only person who had no sin was Jesus Christ ., and also when Jesus said to the thief on the cross you will be with me in paradise he was talking about adams bosom where Christ went and took Abraham etc but why did the thief go to paradise and not to purgatory because he was a sinner while on earth like us humans? but even if we have faith in Christ and accept him as are lord and savour and we have been saved by grace will we still go to purgatory ?
@AndrewGhioaca-o7u: first let me explain about the thief on the cross : God is outside of time
Luke 9:27 'I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.'
This is not about the end of the world, for “the kingdom of God is in the midst of you” (Luke 17:21), and some of Jesus’ disciples were about to see it manifested in a powerful way. In each Synoptic Gospel (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), the Transfiguration immediately follows Jesus’ announcement (Matt. 17:1-9; Mark 9:2-10; Luke 9:28-36). Jesus takes three of the disciples-Peter, James, and John-up a mountain. His clothing becomes dazzlingly bright, Moses and Elijah appear beside him, everyone is enveloped in a cloud, and God the Father speaks from heaven, identifying Jesus as his Son and his Chosen, and declaring, “Hear him!”
This manifestation is the coming of the kingdom “with power” that Jesus referred to, and the text of each Gospel suggests that this is the way the evangelists understood it. Not only does the Transfiguration happen right after the announcement, but each Gospel says it was about a week later (Matt. 17:1, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:28-the slight difference in the number of days may reflect reckoning parts of days as wholes and counting days as beginning at sunset, midnight, or dawn). Peter, James, and John thus were the three who did not taste death before they saw the kingdom coming with power
Luke 23: 42-43 concerning the thief on the cross:
42). Then he said, 'Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.'
43). He answered him, 'In truth I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.'
The Greek manuscripts containing Jesus’ words do not contain punctuation, so it is not certain where commas should be placed. Consider this possibility: “Truly, I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise.”
@AndrewGhioaca-o7u : Purgatory
Jesus' transfiguration Luke 9:28-31
28 Now about eight days after this had been said, he took with him Peter, John and James and went up the mountain to pray.
29 And it happened that, as he was praying, the aspect of his face was changed and his clothing became sparkling white.
30 And suddenly there were two men talking to him; they were Moses and Elijah
31 appearing in glory, and they were speaking of his passing which he was to accomplish in Jerusalem.
We know Moses died, and he couldn't have come from heaven because at that stage Jesus hadn't died, and he couldn't have come from hell, because nobody gets out of hell, therefore there must be a place between, could it be the place that Jesus talks about in the parable of Lazarus & the rich man (Luke 16:19-30)
19 There was a rich man who used to dress in purple and fine linen and feast magnificently every day.
20 And at his gate there used to lie a poor man called Lazarus, covered with sores,
21 who longed to fill himself with what fell from the rich man's table. Even dogs came and licked his sores.
22 Now it happened that the poor man died and was carried away by the angels into Abraham's embrace. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 'In his torment in Hades he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off with Lazarus in his embrace.
24 So he cried out, "Father Abraham, pity me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in agony in these flames."
25 Abraham said, "My son, remember that during your life you had your fill of good things, just as Lazarus his fill of bad. Now he is being comforted here while you are in agony.
26 But that is not all: between us and you a great gulf has been fixed, to prevent those who want to cross from our side to yours or from your side to ours."
27 'So he said, "Father, I beg you then to send Lazarus to my father's house,
28 since I have five brothers, to give them warning so that they do not come to this place of torment too."
29 Abraham said, "They have Moses and the prophets, let them listen to them."
30 The rich man replied, "Ah no, father Abraham, but if someone comes to them from the dead, they will repent."
(Matthew 5:25-26).
25 Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be
put in prison;
26 truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.
Matthew 12:32 ,
32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”
Here Jesus speaks of sin against the Holy Spirit. The implication is that some sins can be forgiven in the world to come. We know that in Hell there is no liberation and in Heaven nothing imperfect can enter it as we see in the next part. Sin is not forgiven when a soul reaches its final destination because in heaven there is no need for forgiveness of sin and in hell the choice to go there is already made.
Revelation 21:27 (God tells us that nothing imperfect can enter into heaven)
27but nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies.” The place that is to be entered (the place to which this passage refers) is heaven (read the text around it for context).
The Bible clearly implies a place for an intermediate state of purification after we die in the many passages which tell that God will reward or punish according to a person’s life.
1 Peter 3:18-19 (Especially note 19)
18). Christ himself died once and for all for sins, the upright for the sake of the guilty, to lead us to God. In the body he was put to death, in the spirit he was raised to life,
19). and, in the spirit, he went to preach to the spirits in prison.
The prison would be purgatory, because there's no point in preaching to people in Hell; because they will never get out.
Ponder the following example. Imagine a Christian man, justified by the Lord, loses his temper and yells at his next door neighbours for letting their dog dig a hole in his yard. We can see that the man treated his neighbours rudely, albeit the neighbour’s behavior was also reprehensible. His actions would be considered a light sin (called venial sins by the Catholic Church). It’s not of the same moral weight as theft or murder, but it’s still a sin.
After shouting at the neighbours, with all the anger and stress in his body the man walks into his house, has a heart attack, and dies having just committed a small sin in the final moments of his life. Remember, this man is Christian and justified by the Lord, yet has committed a sin. Does he go to heaven or does he go to hell? Are all sins created equal? No, all sins are not equal and even justified men of the Lord can make mistakes and sin.
If purgatory didn’t exist, the man would go to hell for his small sin. God’s mercy is so great and our God is a just God that it seems unfathomable that he would condemn a justified man to hell for a small, yet unrepented sin. The man’s soul is dirty. His actions have defiled his soul, but not the point where he has cut himself off from God. Only mortal sins cut off a person from God’s grace. So, the man, having been justified by the Lord, is destined for heaven, yet his soul is defiled by his sin (Matthew 12:36, 15:18). His soul is in need of cleansing because nothing defiled can enter heaven. This is the purpose of purgatory. Out of mercy and love God sends the man through purgatory on his way to heaven so that his soul can be purified to be able to join God in heaven.
Remember, purgatory is not a second chance for conversion; the man is already justified. If there is no place of intermediate state of purification, the man would be damned to hell! Who would be saved? Those who teach against purgatory teach an unreasonable doctrine.
1 Corinthians 3:9-15
9 After all, we do share in God's work; you are God's farm, God's building.
10 By the grace of God which was given to me, I laid the foundations like a trained master-builder, and someone else is building on them. Now each one must be careful how he does the building.
11 For nobody can lay down any other foundation than the one which is there already, namely Jesus Christ.
12 On this foundation, different people may build in gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay or straw
13 but each person's handiwork will be shown for what it is. The Day which dawns in fire will make it clear and the fire itself will test the quality of each person's work.
14 The one whose work stands up to it will be given his wages;
15 the one whose work is burnt down will suffer the loss of it, though he himself will be saved; he will be saved as someone might expect to be saved from a fire.
This passage speaks of the believer being refined by fire. It is a clear indication of a refining place, purgatory.
Facts.
Does salvation mean that you go to purgatory and justified mean that you go to heaven?
Because Ephesians 2:8-9 says that salvation is from faith as a gift from god and James 2:24 says that you’re justified by works and not faith alone
Justification/salvation means you go to Heaven. Purgatory is the process of sanctification, which happens after initial justification.
@@VoiceOfReason_ Ok, is it possible to go directly to heaven if you’re baptized, confirmed, have done communion and repents for sins or does everyone go to purgatory before?
@@lukaspersson4051 yes, it is possible to go straight to Heaven if your sanctification has been completed at the moment of your death 😊
@@VoiceOfReason_ ok thank you. Do you think you have to believe in papal infallibility to be a catholic? First one that believed it was Peter olivi in 13th century
This guy is so far from the truth. Jesus blood isn’t enough for this guy.
We are made perfectly clean because of Jesus, not purgatory. His blood cleanses from all sins. Past, present, future. Born again christian cannot die in their sins because of Jesus's sacrifice that cleanses us You're underminig what Jesus has done on the cross. Terrible. I guess Jesus failed to mention baptism to Nicodemus, huh? Plus, we are not born again after we are baptized. What kind of christianity are you proclaiming? So many basic errors. It's terryfing.
Why do you do this voice…
This is a gross misuse of scripture. None of us is good. We enter heaven ONLY from the righteousness credited to us from Christ. There is no work we can do to "help" that. Sanctification has zero to do with eternal salvation. As a reault of being saved, you will be sanctified. There is no work that is considered good enough to help earn righteousness. Paul is CLEAR in that, as was Jesus.
James 2:24: ”You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”
Mark 16:16
”Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
So you have to be baptized
John 6:53: ““Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” So you have to do communion/Eucharist and believe that it’s his body and blood, not just symbolic to have eternal life.
Acts 8:14-17 talks about people that were baptized but didn’t receive the holy spirit so Peter and John laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. It’s about confirmation
And James 2:22 says that faith is completed by works.
Brother, when we do a good work is it not Christ working in & through us? By consenting to do the will of God are we not building up a greater habit of holiness? Are we then not becoming more like Christ? To become more like Christ is to become holier because Christ is Holy & to do good works for Christ’s Namesake is thus to be further sanctified (made holy).
a myth
Rome has had different definitions at different times. The Bible verses given do not indicate purgatory. Finally, indulgences (pieces of paper with a bunch of words) can subtract time from purgatory. So indulgences can do what Jesus sacrifice could not….don’t think so.
That is not what an indulgence is. I could be wrong but the time associated with each indulgenced act (such as 300 days) is not time shaved off from purgatory. The time is that that act when done in the proper state & disposition is equivalent of those amount of days of penance.
@@DarthVeers2 that was word salad
How would your definition handle a plenary indulgence?