Hello Ron...Thank you for the words of encouragement. Though your video is five years old here I appreciate your candor. I am starting out simple with old gear...a brass steam engine and it's controller. Plotting out a layout to accomidate the vintage engine and tender I have and not too excited about doing nothing but staying simple. As you have wish us all well, I will take your advise to heart...here goes to accomplishing the simple things. A smile on my face and joy in model train building.
What a great video and a great personality - positive energy from start to finish. As a child I grew up not just on the other side of the tracks - our home was next to the tracks. I got a Lionel set in 4th grade - then a youngest uncle out grew trains and then an older cousin went to fight in Vietnam and left me his set - so I had three sets combined Lionel and Marks all mixed together - I had enough track to cover the floor of my Grandparents garage attic. I coupled Marks and Lionel with bread bag ties - spent thousands of hours crawling all over that attic - changing my layout hundreds of times - would fall asleep on the floor watching the train pass by. It was a fantastic childhood - and it appears I never grew up. Anyway - I built a heck of a layout for my son when he came along - and then he grew up with computers and is an IT professional. As I ready for retirement - the itch has hit me again and this video found its way into my heart. This time I am going "N" scale for the first time in my life - mainly because my home is rather small. I went on Google Earth and looked over rail systems for the tri-town area where I grew up. There is a grain elevator - a saw mill - and coal and oil distribution yard. So my plan is to build a layout in compressed version of those freight activities. I'm going to purchase two small kitchen base style cabinets - mount rolling casters on the bottom and build a laminated wooden layout base with half inch think pine - no plywood this time. I'm going to take my time - evening project - cause daylight is for outdoor projects. I want to wish all beginners the best of luck and follow this guys advice - I've just started collecting items I'll need and calculating the space available and space needed. And spending so far has been on sales and bargains - and reading reviews. Reviews are helpful. Gee Whiz - I do need to slow down on the spending - got a lot of stuff on order - and got to cool my credit cards down for now - when all the track arrives - I'm going to carefully consider working with what I have and what I can do with what I got and determine if I need more. - I'm hoping for a bunch of track - but its wait and see. Thanks for the video.
Self Summary for Myself -Start small -Do decorations and terrain last -Wire as you go -Trackwork is the most important -Reach out to Long time Model railroaders (Hobby store workers, local clubs, online) -Be very patient -Celebrate milestones such as a section completed or a working section of track
Julian. gentleman by the name of John Allen planned his wiring out 30 years in advance. if you wire as you go always remember to make small holes to run wiring and areas where you might in the future set up a switch or building and drill a hole there. if your not aware of it there is a book called model railroading with John Allen its worth a read and can be used as a reference. he was an absolute genius and turned the hobby into an art form.
I would add that you do the hobby in a way that includes you spouse and family. My kids growing up had free reign over specific areas of my layout. They could rearrange buildings and vehicles anyway they wished, and play to their hearts content. My train room is just off the family room, where I was always within eyeshot of everyone. My workbench is a small office desk in the family room, so that conversations and favorite tv shows were shared experiences while I did my model work. I well remember a modeling friend who came home from work to find his bride tending a fire made up of his N scale rolling stock. She gave him two options, only one of which included his wife and kids. Thankfully, he made the right choice, and still enjoys the hobby on a much more limited level.
Here's an other mistake I've seen often, Ron; people in the design phase of their track plan realize they have a lot of space at their disposal and so they fill every inch of free space with trackage. The resulting layout always feels not right when you're looking at it and it's because there's too much stuff everywhere. It's ok to have empty space. Compressing everything in a limited amount of space will not make your layout standout; it will do the opposite and tire people of looking at it. An example of that is when you're visiting your Aunt and she has hung about 40 picture frames of everything imaginable on her 10 foot long living room wall. There are so many picture frames you are bound to miss a few and not notice what's in every one of them. While on the other hand, if you have just one single picture frame on that same 10 foot long living room wall; people can't miss it. Same thing applies to a layout.
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Yea I’m not a fan of those layouts with a big circle, 20 turnouts, 30 lines and no scenery. Looks more like a puzzle or maze where the object is to get the train out of the middle lol. I like layouts where there is open areas to pass through so the train looks like it’s going to destinations instead of chasing its tail
Impatience is a big one. Another one is getting your working area organized and being mindful of space and light around your layout area. It seems simple but I was forever being frustrated stumbling over shelving I had in the way between my workbench and my layout, and my cluttered workspace and disorganized system for supplies. I was so frustrated that I quit working on the layout for a year. I got back to it, but the first thing I did was to spend three weeks in reorganizing the whole layout room. Now I'm a happy model railroader making up for the lost time. Model railroading is actually fun now.
Now after a wait of about 4 years due to a cross country move, I’m finally starting my first layout! It all started because I always enjoyed watching model trains. When I was 5 my parents took me to a place called Tiny Town in Indiana, PA. It was a dime to get in and I was overwhelmed by the trains and landscapes. Ever since I have enjoyed other peoples trains but never had the room for the larger gauges . Then about 5 years ago I discovered N gauge trains. I purchased the Bachman Prairie Flyer. I set it under my Christmas Tree. I loved it and was sad to put it away after the holiday. I lived in a trailer and space was at a premium. Now I’m moved and actually starting my layout. I go to get plywood and foam insulation sometime this weekend! I will start with a temporary track layout to see if my train still works and to get an idea of what all I have, what works and what I need for starters. My first problem is TRACK. I have basic track that came with the train set, but what type should I replace it with because I want to create a polar express type mountain and there will be various radiuses needed. What type of track will work best and will I need additional power added to the track for the climb? Can anyone help me?
I started building my first model railroad a couple years ago. It was about 7ft by 10ft ,and the benchwork was made out of scrap chipboard .I didn't use roadbed and then I made the mistake of using drywall mud on and around the track for a station platform and had to tear it out. I started building a new layout about a year ago. This time I used foam roadbed, and did blocks with my electrical. Great video!!!
I'm working on a loft layout that will take me quite some time to build so decided to first build a small layout on a 30"x96" folding table. Doing this allowed me to learn how to wire and use dcc & practice building things. Most importantly since I can be impatient it allows me to run trains whenever I feel like so will take my time in the loft and build stuff the right way.
@@RonsTrainsNThings I'm planning to do a modern era mid western theme. Some industry & rural as most of my current rolling stock consists of intermodal & autoracks. I'm working my Amtrak superliner consists in somewhere too but not sure if I'm going to have enough room for a proper pax station. I may have to just railfan that one but I'm kool with that lol.
I am building a 4x8 layout and have spent most time planning (started planning August 2017). I've just barely started getting my track together and begin laying track. Thank you for the video.
I just found this video, and I'm probably going to come back to it for reminders as I work, because I'm in the very early stages of building my model railroad. Lack of permanent space for a layout and a limited budget are keeping me from going too overboard so far on how big I'm building, but I'm definitely feeling the frustration of not getting very far very quickly. One thing that's helping me with working on a little bit at a time is that I'm building my layout as a series of T-Trak modules, since I can set them up on folding tables and get them out of the way when I need the space for something else. the downside is, working with such small modules I'll be limited on what sort of scenery I'm able to squeeze into the space of each module. I know all about the planning and never doing, as my dad collected a bunch of track and rolling stock 25+ years ago and to this day has never built even the start of a layout. He recently passed it all on to me, so if I ever get the space to do some permanent benchwork I'll be set for getting started on a permanent layout.
Ron, you hit on several keys areas. I have been modeling for three years. My biggest mistake on my 4x8 layout was trying to create a steep grade which caused the engines to slip. After a few TH-cams and a little engineering I changed the grade from 6% to
Your words are wise. Thank you. I still spend time admiring the Bachmann HO 51507 2-6-2 Prairie Steam Locomotive with Tender, Northern Pacific #2456, that I purchased in March 2021. I have established the era (1890-1950) and the region (United States west of the Mississippi) that I want to model. I will add rolling stock (passenger cars) when I can afford it but will continue to seek advice from people like you on TH-cam. Imagining the model has brought me as much enjoyment as acquiring and building.
I started a couple months ago, got a 4 by 6 piece of plywood as having space limitations and Kato track to start with a layout. No model railroad groups in my area lots of reading and watching youtube which helped. Ordered DCC controller recently and ready to try. Thanks for this.
I watched a few of your videos.... thanks for always being so positive and informative.... I joined a club and I was intimidated at first but realized that most of them started the same way that i did and they quickly made me feel at home..... I was surprised how eager most of them were to actually want to help.... so it's a great way to make new friends..... thanks again for all the great videos
THANKS RON! This really helps me with getting further into model railroading. This will help me fix my mistakes and prevent making these mistakes because I am relatively new to this hobby.
Two things to remember and consider are can it be fitted into the space I have ( UK has a bigger problem with this) what do you want to model . So decide what you want to do then will it fit into the space I have . Then just remember one of Ron’s tips start small and grow as your skills, abilities, time and money will allow. A good foundation always makes the final project better.
Ron Braun Hi Ron Came across your video " 5 common mistakes..." and the last mistake of being a loan modeller is what prompted me to subscribe. I have been in the hobby for about two and a half years and had so far been avoiding the first four mistakes. I have also viewed other of your videos and find the very informative and detail oriented. I have just recently retired from a 46 year roll in railroading in Maintenance Of Way department. Model railroading is not so different as compared actually laying track, mainline, sidings, or turnouts. The new thing to learn is the electrical and its parts as well as structures that need building, and scenery. Much to keep me busy. Thanks for the videos they give much encouragement.
Their is a great feeling of accomplishment when I see my trains running and showing others my work. Did take others to make my electric problems solvable.
Tophatter Studios after 10 years I decided to use eBay again and have to say it’s cheaper through eBay I would suggest to just be cautious with used items
@@jeffbarnaby2854 I can second that, I've been looking through Ebay after a few videos and forums mentioned it and, while plenty of it is standard fare, there's a veritable ocean of model train equipment and more than a few great deals. Rolling stock especially, as when new it is very expensive, but can be gotten cheaply in huge quantities secondhand if you look hard enough, and some can be a real steal if you're willing to do a little bit of touch-up or replace a coupler or truck occasionally. I'd be wary of things with motors, though.
and you SHOULD be scared... there are some ways to save a little but as a whole this hobby is a MONEY TRAP, especially in the beginning... but one way to save overall is to create operations that don't have you continually going back the the "NEW CAR WELL"... model cars never really wear out and they are ALWAYS coming out with new stuff and EVERYONE in this hobby has been caught up buying another car that we think we just have to have when all we are doing is choking the layout with more cars and draining the 'ol wallet... so unless you have a large cash flow devoted to the hobby, economy planning is also a important part to include with this hobby
my dad and i started a a good sized shelf layout last year, but, we hated the layout, poor ballasting, the little scenery we had. We are tearing that up and starting another railroad soon. We have planned this one out instead of the last one and we are actually using real techniques like my dad and I did on our layout 10 years ago. Cant wait to start!
When i first started out in the hobby, I got a bunch of track that isnt the best quality and a controller that wasnt the best either. I quickly found out that its essential to have a good power pack and good track to ensure smooth operations.
I wanted to get started into doing so, but i have no available room. In the future, I plan to renovate my basement which will have plenty of space to utilize. I used to be a huge fan of O scale ,but I need plenty more room to build the layout I ever wanted (which has to be a "big" layout), so I decided to downgrade to either HO or N scale as far as getting more into a layout in a smaller proportionate room.
Great video! I’m coming back to the hobby after a long hiatus. We had a 4x8 Ho set while I was growing up, which my dad built up and took care of. My advice, resist buying a ready to run ez track Bachman set. I got one. It was a two foot circle, power pack and locomotive with three cars, for like $120. If I had to do it again… I’d buy a six pack mixed freight from kato for about 72, a locomotive of choice, and a unitrack kit. The problem wasn’t with the original kit. It was with track expansion. Ez track is more limited in options, and the turn outs are terrible. Not to mention the ready to run sets DONT have an ac output to remotely run the garbage turn outs. I do like how it is already raised, and looks decent even before ballasting. Besides the fact that the ez track turnouts aren’t great, the kato turn outs are considerably less costly. I bought tons of ez track before I knew better, and am getting it to work with some effort, polishing, proper nmra car weighting etc…. But it’s a lot of frustration and no cheaper. That’s just My $0.02. I may even sell off the ez track at a show to Simone who knows what they are getting and start fresh…. Time will tell.
I’m in the same boat, tried the ez track turnouts on my Bachman ready sets and they derailed the trains every other pass. Ended up ditching them for a single mainline. Hindsight should have got Kato unitrack off the bat but have too much invested in the ez track to switch at this point. Are the unitrack turnouts much better?
I am just starting out in the hobby I am just trying to decide on weather I want to start with HO or N scale I found your channel when I searched for HO vs N scale. You have great advice. Awesome channel!
Ron: Excellent emphasis on the importance of good track. One other mistake that's a must to avoid, is not having an Operating Plan for any layout. Meaning that when designing and building a layout, you must have a good general idea of how cars will be dispatched to different yards and industries, via a waybill system. This is explained well in the book you have previously reviewed, Track Planning For Realistic Operation. Any layout without an Operating Plan, eventually grows old and boring, because once the layout nears completion, then what? Operation stays interesting, because as in the prototype, things change continuously, making operating the layout always fun.
You have a great attitude. I just ordered a Tomix N-scale Begginers set with a simple track, 4 cars and a controller. Cant wait to get started. Thanks for the video.
The biggest mistake I made on my first layout was a boring track plan. I built it on two 4x8 sheets of plywood in an L shape and the vast majority of track hugged the edges of the table with as much straight track as possible. (The longest straight was over 8 feet.) That was what I wanted at the time but in hindsight it's a lot more fun to have trains snake around a curvy track setup. My current layout has very few straight sections and is mostly curvy, much more fun to look at.
I am planning a railroad so i clicked on this video and i just gotta say you have a really nice railroad and i would love to have that in my house. Thank you for the advice!
Great talk Ron. One of the biggest mistakes that I have made and still sometimes make is getting to excited and jump around on the layout. Like working front to back instead of working back to front on the layout.
Hi Ron, you are so right! And yet I would encourage all beginners to just do it. I have two jobs, a family with small kids, no layout room and no workshop but I quit waiting for better conditions 4 years ago and since then the hobby added to my life-balance. Here is my recipe: I joined a club to run some trains while my layout isn´t ready yet. I joined a shared workshop. Most important I decided for modules. This allows me to start small and grow in steps. With this I can participate with only one module at meetings and participate in a common - often huge - layout. Also, I can put one piece of work on the dining table and benefit from short moments of spare time or simply use it as cooling-down in the evening. I am working on my first video to add to the Nscale community on you tube on how to enjoy on model railroading without layout room or workshop. Finally I would like to add an experience of mine in that context: quit gathering knowledge get into practising! I learned this form the "masters" at our railroad club when I kept asking them about how they did this and that. And it is true. And with regards to patience: After 4 years I am still into track work. As I don´t like soldering and as I do very much prefer scenery and scratchbuilding it takes additional efforts to stay on the right track. But it pays off. Even if you spent the christmas holidays on redoing tracks. Although your episode encouraged me at the right moment I am looking forward to further how-to´s. BTW: Paypal is meant as unchanged and continued support. As patreon changed to a fixed fee (...) per transaction I´d rather make one annual pledge than many small ones. So please feel supported in the same way. Regards, Johannes
+Jo NBahner I totally underatand about the Patreon thing. Both have their advantages and disadvantages, and both are equally benefucial and equally appreciated. Thanks for sharingbyour comment. I enjoy hearing other people's stories and experiences. Thanks for watching. 👍
You hit it bang on the nail. I didn't know where to start...so I just decided to buy a bunch of used Nscale and HO scale to get the experience. :) Lots of used options here in Japan.
Great video...thanks, Ron. Over the years, I've built numerous layouts for other people but could never find the right design or theme for my own layout. After almost 70 years of frustration and false starts, I finally realized there is no such thing as The Perfect Layout and recently started building a simple single-track oval...and am very excited---!!! As Ron says---start doing something, anything...and go from there. Happy Model Railroading to everyone.
Hey Ron, Great video and great advice. I started in the hobby in 1972. I started in HO and built an entire model railroad in modules in my parent's basement to near completion in about 4 years. My track work and Scenery skills sucked back then and materials and track that is reliable and readily available today were not available back then. Locomotive quality is far superior today to what it was when I started. The poor quality locomotives and stupid brass track was a constant frustration for me, but I kept at it, and had fun in spite of that. I then had to move in to a smaller room in that same basement, that is when I chose to switch to N-scale. I built my second layout in N-scale and never completed it, but I had a lot of fun. I stayed in n scale for the next 30 years or so being an on and off Train collecter/arm chair modeler as I did stints in the Army and two Colleges. In 2007, I fell in love with O-scale and started my O-scale collection and my O-scale layout. I am still working on my O-scale layout, which is really small, but very detailed. In 2015, because of my failing eyesight and renewed interest in HO scale, I sold my entire N-scale collection of $30,000, and started in HO scale for the second time. As a Semi- vetran model railroader, I always buy the most expensive stuff first, when starting over, while I have the money. I have been collecting HO scale while at the same time planning and waiting for my Son's room to become available, when he goes off to college in the next 3 to 5 years. I decided along time ago to just have fun, even if I never fully complete a model railroad layout: weathering, installing decoders, building and painting structures, learning new techniques, reading, watching videos, collecting paints and tools, adding to my roster, building Dioramas, etc. I have been a licensed Electrician for 23 years and Electronics in College and have always been fascinated with all things Electrical/Mechanical. So I guess that is probably my strong point. I still suck at Scenery, but I believe I have come along way. I also had 3 years of Woodworking in High School, so I am pretty good at that too. My weakest area is operations. I have been in the Hobby for 46 years, but I have never been involved in an operating session. I also get overwhelmed sometimes by all the neat products available today. It is a very exciting time to be in the Hobby. I would have to say, that I am much more excited about the Hobby than I was when I started. I am also more picky about what I buy. I just thought I would share my story, thinking it might help someone who might be hesitating to get started in the Hobby. In my opinion, as long as your having fun and growing in the Hobby, that is all that counts.
Hey Ron. Nice and informative video. One thing that I have done with my layout is “redo”. I thought I knew what I wanted but after I would lay down my track, I wasn’t always happy with the results. I would often spend hours with a pencil and paper planning my layout, I even downloaded a program for train layouts. Don’t ever be afraid of doing things over ( redo ). I would sometimes stand over my blank piece of 3x6’ and try to imagine what I would end up with. It took time, but I’m happy with the design and now I’m planning my scenery. It is very fluid, I thought it would be a little bit of forest and farms...It’s gonna end up being “industrial “ with a passenger train around the outer loop. Wish me luck
I started out with a dinky, Bachmann set from Hobby Lobby in 2013. Set it down on a few pieces of plywood I hinged and then it kind of sat in the closet for several years. Fast forward to this year and I made a visit to the local, model train club meet up and got reinvigorated. Pulled the old Bachmann set out and found the GP unit no longer functioning, but still had an EMD F9 still working. Ordered a couple of Kato ES44AC's to replace the busted GP and now I'm looking at a simple, flat build of the nearby town of Yeso NM within a simple oval. Start with something simple, then move on up.
Where budgeting is concerned, one thing I will say is that sometimes if you really want an item, you'd better pony up for it even if it cuts you out of other things. This is especially true if it's a low volume, local favorite type of item. Otherwise you might not get it at all or it will cost you a fortune when it gets hard to find. Case in point is a Detroit & Mackinac C425 run by Atlas. When they were in production, I could only afford one. I would have liked another as the prototype would run 2 or 3 in a consist. After some years out of production, a shell came up on ebay. It sold for more than the entire locomotive cost new.
I started a 4' x 8' N scale, I made many mistakes and got frustrated with it to the point I gave up. I have a large garage that all floor space is consumed by many things, I then realized that I could move them out of the way when I wanted to tinker with a model railway. So now I am building a 8' x 20' HO scale out of 2' x 8' modules that will be suspended on cables and hosted up when I want it out of the way (this idea could help others who are short on space). I have completed laying track down on the 1st 2' x 16' module. I am so glad I came across your video on "spiral curves" before I started to lay the track bends down to the next modules. They look so much nicer.
I have been model railroading for many years since I was 8 years old and My mistake was being away from the hobby for 19 years. 19 years! yes life got busy with having a child working full time and going to college. But most of all lack of space and funds to to begin the hobby. Now I have returned to the hobby and I have been really interested in DCC. I am use to DC applications. So I m re-learning some aspects of the hobby. Most of all researching DCC.
Thanx Ron! Great video.. I have to admit that the complexity of the hobby has made me rethink getting started in it.. It seems like it should be fairly straightforward yet getting your mind wrapped around things like DCC, Couplers, Powered vs insulated frogs can be intimidating. It would be really nice if there was more of a standard where you could just dive in instead of spinning around in circles... But I will definitely check out your other videos.
Don't be discouraged, David. I know it seems complex from the outside. I remember getting started myself. Start with something manageable and add one or two things at a time that are new concepts to you. This hobby is way too fun and rewarding to miss out on. Let me know if I can help you in any way.
I must say this was one of your best info videos yet Pastor Ron! I found key words and info that you put into perspective to ALL types of modelers....not just beginners! One of those words is encourage.....I try to encourage people in general, but especially new modelers or those who visit our layout at train shows or OPs session. So often a viewer ask me questions about my modules, in the beginning or finish their conversation with, " I could never model anything like what you've done here!" I reply, " how do you know till you try?" Or "what your looking at didn't come to me over night!" They begin right off the bat in discouragement even as their "drooling" over my modeling. A good friend spoke with a brain surgeon at a show, and the doctor marveled over his trackwork and requested that he pay him to visit the doctor several states away and teach him my friends track craftsmanship. He responded by saying....this takes time and patience, something I can't show you over the course of a few days. The doctor was stunned! My buddy paused and said, as your profession it takes years of training and practice. I laughed when my friend summed it all up in a little story for the doctor. He said' " you can't take up violin lesson on Monday...and by the end of the week book Carnegie Hall!" So again thank you for words of wisdom Ron!
+sillywesties Thank you for this comment. I love your statements and that story. I think encouragement is so important. I have seen way to many great models discourage and even offend beginning models. I suppose it probably just a personality issue but I think it is really sad when a model railroader discouragees someone who aspires to be a better modeler. That is 90% of why I started this channel in the first place. I faced a lot of discouragment from good modelers when I first started and I want to help other modelers at whatever level to believe in themselves and try more than they think they can do. I am still learningand groing in my skills and I think we should all work and grow together and help oe another along the way. Again, thanks for your comment.
I'm gonna leave the video production to you and others who have that special talent producing awesome TH-cam vids! In other words, my channel is where I post raw and basic produced vids.
One mistake I made was I bought N scale and realized real quick at age 55 and you wear glasses and you tell your self that trifocals aren’t important. .... well you know the outcome so I came to the reality that HO is a better choice
This information was excellent for me. I’m probably 3 weeks new to the hobby and I’m working on my layout plan and gathering materials. I definitely pulled a lot out of this video so thank you for the info Ron 👍
Apple to the Teacher, Mr. Ron you Need to Teach Classes.. I think many would Attend I know you Got my Attention.! On spending on the Hobby & start small & Grow it out over Time an when wiring and Laying out Track do it in small sections & test before moving On Boy it can be a Big Bummer sometimes when ya wanna just Get it Done and Run but it can be a BIG' pain in the Kneck when ya Hurry to Quickly and ya Got redo it Over.. I know my D.M.R.R is Small and hasn't changed much in 4 years and there are Times when I have to walk a way in frustration over something that isn't doing as I wished it would but my slow pace on building and watching Videos that you & Other Great Model Rail Railroaders have put out has Helped move me forward.. So thanks a Bunch and We'll keep tuning in, listening & Taking Notes🚂🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃
I would like to have a model railroad someday, and I thought this was an excellent video. I hope I don’t end up becoming an armchair modeler though, lol.
Excellent Video clip! Forgive me for the intrusion, I would appreciate your initial thoughts. Have you heard the talk about - Januke Henatalie Formula (google it)? It is a good one off guide for operating a model railroad minus the hard work. Ive heard some decent things about it and my work buddy after a lifetime of fighting got cool results with it.
here's a few suggestions for diy railroad layout construction Find a proven set of plans online Find a colleague who wants to build one too so you have someone to encourage you (I read these and why they work from Jareks hobby club website )
Thank you, thank you, thank you. This was exactly the impetus that I needed to get going. I’ve been concentrating on acquiring rolling stock, track and accessories. Hopefully I will have everything I need, including a plan by Spring and begin construction in earnest. I am a garden railroader so weather is a consideration. BTW, I am leaning towards a “dead rail” system, so wish me luck with that. Keep up the great work, I look forward to all of your segments.
I am hearing more and more from guys doing dead rail even in indoor HO layouts. I don't have experience with it, but battery technology has come so far in the last few years that it is intriguing. Let me know how it goes.
I haven't started building because A) I spent what i could on a couple Locomotives on ebay and when i got them I found out I needed to replace almost everything on the inside. And B) I don't have any space now that I live in an apartment. Tips for people coming into the hobby is not to buy used. Yes Locomotives are expensive but used loco's can need alot of work. Just buy new to play with.
Yes, unfortunately eBay can get you sometimes. I have been victim to what I thought looked like good deals that turned out to be dogs as well. Don't be discouraged. Just learn from it and move on as you can.
I’ve always bought used for my O gauge stuff. There are a couple local shops that sell reliable refurbished/used locomotives and used rolling stock for super cheap. My advice would be to stay off eBay and do your used market deals either with friends or at local reputable shops.
I lived in an apartment when I started out but I wanted to build a layout badly so I bought a couple locomotives a few box cars, tankers, flat cars, etc, and a bunch of track. My first layout was a simple yard on 3’ x 5’ plywood. There was no loop, no full circle, just a yard that I ran trains back and forth on, and I had a blast. In the first year, I rebuilt it 4 times. Each time, it got better. A little more detailed, a little more in depth. Now, 28 years later, I don’t have a giant railroad with multiple trains and Dozens of cars running at the same time, but what I do have is a 14’ x 5’ N scale layout that I enjoy, and more importantly, I still have that childlike love for trains. When I was a kid we had railroad tracks 150 yards from the house and I never got enough of the freight trains thundering by. Today, I frequently go to the local park in the afternoon just to watch that freight train roll through. Ahhh the romance of a train!
@@danwillis2671 Use whatever space you have. I have had to downsize to a 6'x4' Hornby Track Mat sized layout. Suitable for two ovals for continuous running in either direction, plus a branch line leading to a Inglenook shunting yard in the middle. I added a straight to both ends to widen the middle to avoid first radius curves with the inner branch line. A small country station with a single high street alongside, with terrace homes on the other side. Plus rural scenery. That is it. No engine shed and no goods shed. Simple. I have several wagons, and two rakes of three coaches with only five locomotives, three steam and two diesels... My station platform is too short, one coach has to jump... LOL... It's all about compression and imagination with model railroading... Plus there is no need to spend multiple thousands...
Totally agree. If you are just getting started a simple quality starter set with track and train and controller (like a Kato N-scale) and a hollow core door with a couple of simple adjustable height saw horses to hold it at a comfortable height. Then, get a nice adjustable stool, settle in with some good music and a cup of coffee, and have fun. If it doesn't feel like play and its all work you won't stay with it.
Start with a static scale diorama at first, because it's the scenery that beginners make that often is the most discouraging and there an inexpensive way to build both skill/confidence. Visit local train shows near you and buy old/busted rolling stock, and other odds/ends to practice so mistakes can be made without costing to much. You won't be a model railroad Rembrandt overnight, but once you can make a scratch built landscape that your happy with then it's no longer about ability but keeping yourself in check...
I’d agree with this 100%. Just finished a diorama myself and enjoyed it thoroughly, now I’m both confident and motivated to jump into a small N Scale layout. It’s a small step, but it teaches valuable lessons and gives you a small win to get started with.
Thank you Ron. I had to check to see if I was watching you on TH-cam or It was someone that knows me standing in the room with me. LOL I am retired (71) and have had a Bachmann EMD F9 diesel and 2 passenger coaches sitting in a drawer since 1978. (they cost me New $12.50 and $4.50 ea). I am very much a loner and live on my own. With a Nudge/reminder from my Daughter here I am. :-) Rob (Australia)
Layout Design Elements, size can vary, (such as 2 foot by 4 foot, 4' by 8' etc.) are a great way to start small, not very expensive, easy to lay and test track and to add finishing touches. Another reason to use LDEs, at some point in the future, you may need to move. Each LDE could be taken apart and more easily moved and possibly reused.
You have helped me decide to reach out to the local clubs. I've been on the fence but you make a great argument and hit the nail on the head regarding being intimidated.
You are very encouraging sir!! The wiring part is what I’m leery of. I just started a new layout at home as my old one was damaged by a home fire in 2016. The old layout was a simple single-cab set up but now I’d like to run at least two or more trains at a time. I just subscribed and eagerly await more tips from you. God bless you and thanks!
My first layout is not done yet but so far my two mistakes were getting 3/4 inch foam, and forgetting to solder my flex track while it was still straight.
Good stuff. Something that is also very important is taking action. Many people just sit and wait with the excuse that they are "planing"... Just pull the trigger and start doing something in your layout. p.s. edited as only half of my comment was published initially
I’ve actually had to take a step back and start new. Decided I jumped the gun for my workspace and realized I needed better space. As a newer modeler I would suggest deciding your workspace and have comfortable space for working on your models and layout.
I'd really like to get back into model railroading. I have a 4x8 plywood sheet and a couple HO scale diesel train sets and an HO scale steam train set that my uncle gave to me at a yard sale. I'm not that knowledgeable about wiring. I'd just like a simple setup on the aforementioned board.
One of these days I'm doin' the "inside the coffee table" N scale layout. My wife and I have a balance with my O scale stuff. I add a new locomotive every Christmas, and don't buy them throughout the year. I only occasionally buy rolling stock.
I agree with the suggestions to make sure the track is done well.... I'd like to add the caveat that before you lay a single piece of track, make sure the clearances are good: One mistake I made early on was building a turntable too close to an adjacent siding, with the result that it fouled the side clearance of passing trains as it swung around. That made for an operating challenge: the turntable could only be used when the track was unoccupied!
I really depends hew you are my first layout was 20 ft by 14 ft it was horrible but I loved it I like being frustrated and solving the problem. I take my best my worst, my biggest and my smallest equipment and run it over track and turnouts sometimes it's not the big and the worst, it's the small and the best this is something very little model Railroader bring up which can "kink" you up. The most important part of a layout is the bench work, the track, the electrical. I've been model railroading for five years now and think what was I thinking when I look back, just like most model Railroaders. Great video thanks for sharing.
Small mistake I already made,... left a switch to go on a service line, lost a caboose but the engine some jumped the rail and back on thanks to rerailers, cant have to many with EZ track.
Hey Ron, thanks and some of what you described describes me. I’m been an armchair model railroader since 2011. I had a track plan, a few locos, DCC system, a starter oval with siding set to play with, benchwork that filled a bedroom, and then life hit me...unemployment derails the hobby significantly...not a cheap hobby. I wond up moving....benchwork gone, and now need to start from scratch again. Smaller space, looking to do a double deck shelf layout on one side of my home office. I’m thinking point to point, 12ft L x 2ft D with a 4ft x 4ft helix on one end. Looking for encourage,ent and places to start. I don’t want this to be a throw-away layout due to the shear cost of the hobby.
Guilty as charged! A few years ago I built two 2'x4' modules to fit into a corner of a guest bedroom for a small HO switching layout (an around-the-room Empire was never going to be an option). I even bought a switcher loco that I did some custom paint and decal work on, and some PECO track and turnouts. But I never could decide on an actual plan, so I stagnated and left it sitting. Most recently I've decided to make a return to it, but after I make a 6"x36" shelf diorama of an Alaskan Railroad loco crossing a mountain stream based on an internet photo I found. My 3 year old Grandson and his infant brother live in Alaska and this will be a Christmas present for him to mount on his wall until he and his brother get a little older, then maybe their Dad can help them build a bigger layout. I recently got a good track plan for my corner layout thanks to a FB Group member who drafted something I could use based on my input for time frame and interests. You make many great points in this video. Thanks for making it.
Ron...all great thoughts especially your idea to start small. My personal background is in software design and development. In that arena, we frequently experienced what many modelers (including myself) go through. Namely: "the paralysis of analysis". Planning is great and necessary but too often we spend all of our time planning. There are some great layout planning software tools and they can be very useful. They can also create a situation where all that we are doing is planning. No plan is ever perfect just as no layout is perfect. Develop a realistic and practical plan that you can build then start building. But do not start building without some sort of plan, imperfect though it may be...Harold
Have plenty to work with. In ho and n. Made test track for fixing engines i bought off ebay. All easy fixes. I'm good with car pretty much any vehicle atv or street. Electronic stuff started real young. By 12 they called me ziz zit. That sound electric current makes when it grounds out. But got better, lol. Anyway as specified i had derailment. Good analogy. NASCAR. I raced in Florida. Drag racing street racing. I completely understand g forces. Never thought about curves with trains. The transition between staying on rails and the edge of tipping over. Same as my rc track. Collecting trains isn't my only hobby. Nitro rc's. Banks, curves just on edge of control. Thanks for help and courage to continue to learn . to take time and to believe in my talent for other things that can be applied here.
Just starting off thanks for video I have a lot of space and I know I need to do it in sections otherwise I will be both overwhelmed and impatient. It's just having an idea of big picture and making sections that I can add to both scenery my, main interest and track.
I think my first layout will be built to squeeze into a minivan so it can easily leave my parents' basement. I have a set up with a bunch of locomotives, a few pieces of rolling stock and an overflowing tub of Life Like track. Yes Life Like track is built more around surviving life around a Christmas tree, but I might add some other track since I have some adapter pieces
Hi Ron, My experience has taught me a couple of things to ass on... I have a large "N" scale layout that grew by a new table each year to become quite large.. A layout that grows, is a great idea I am the part in the equasion, that changed a great deal? I became older and now have a health impairment? I can no longer sit under my layout and see up under the base board, my neck will just not do it? I learned years ago, to install "fold down panels" where possible, and mount electronics and any terminals that have to be worked on with a screwdriver so that they were folded down vertical in front of me.. The panels were hinged and could be folded back up flush under the layout and screwd or latched in place? It is much easier to sit facing your work than laying under it and working upward.. Your glasses as you age will never be the right focal length to see what you are doing when laying down? The only parts on my layout that I can work on now that I am 74 , are the fold down panels? Now that I am retired and cannot manage easily, is when I really need the layout to keep me interested in life? So make sure that you can reach things just sitting under a layout... Like me, your body may not do what it did, when you were 30? I now sit in a small trolley and work on panels, that are vertical and easy to reach and see ... Any other work, that I can no longer get to, I have grand children to help me with.. Thank heavens?
I think if realism is a priority, leaving space is crucial. I have no interest in a 2x4 N scale that has 3 mainlines, 10 sidings, loops over itself 2 times, and runs more trains than the Cajon Pass hahaha. Let the scenery breathe! Another thing that is a pet peeve is when people only know 2 throttle settings: ALL OR NOTHING. Unless you want to model Casey Jones’s final ride, slower operating speeds really tie a layout together IMO. Excellent video sir, I appreciate all your knowledge and experience you share with us!
Hey, Ron. Just wanted to say that you're spot on with how people buy too much stuff. I currently live with my parents, and our basement is almost unusably cluttered with all the HO scale trains my dad has been collecting with the grand goal of... sitting there in the box. Not much of it gets used, it just sits there. Some things are also oddly mismatched. There's a lot of CN, but also a lot of SP. A lot of 70s+ rolling stock, but also a lot of steam engines. It's just a collection of whatever seemed interesting in the moment. I decided that I don't want to be that way. I chose a specific niche (contemporary eastern MA & RI) that requires me to 3d model, print, and paint a large portion of the rolling stock and locomotives I'll eventually be running. My hope is that once I get to the end of my first 3d printed consist, there will be enough of a skill disparity apparent between my first and last coach that I'll want to start the whole process all over again.
Great video, feel like you are talking about me. Just getting started, and busily making on all the mistakes you mention :) My table is probably too big, I am fearful of failing, especially around model building. I also haven't interacted with any other modelers. I feel like I would rather do it on my own than get criticized by someone else before I have the confidence to take it. I certainly feel a bit impatient too. My current thinking is to build a simple loop around the table as a starting point. (Aprox 10'x10' Outer dimensions, 3' max width on any section). I am really scared by the model building aspects. I don't see color correctly (red/green), and was convinced at an early age that I have zero artistic ability- but I love building. Working on the table has been fun. I also built a 4 level circular ramp that I hope to eventually lay track in, and hide with a mountain. Not realistic I suppose, but I love the idea of a train make 4 loops hidden inside a mountain and reappearing a couple feet up. I was very careful to keep the grade at 2% or lower, and curves at 22" or larger radius (HO scale) I am a little worried about the curve transitions, but since I haven't put any track in there yet, I can always adjust if needed. For now, I am going to focus on track outside the mountain, It should be easier, and hopefully give me some confidence for later harder tasks. I am leaning towards dc, but I only have one locomotive so far, so I could change if I want. I expect it will be a few months or more before I can buy another. Wiring is only a little scary. I am very good with AC, and even rewired my own house. I have also played a bit with DC. I just don't know how to solder, so I am sure my first few connections will look bad. The biggest debate I have to resolve soon is whether to build a swing gate, lift out section, or just duck under. I love the swing gate idea, it looks fun to build, but aligning the tracks could be nightmarish- especially given that the space is subjected to temperature swings from just above freezing to well above 80 degrees. I might start with a duck under. The table is big enough that I will not be doing any scenery or other improvements anywhere near it. I will likely just build a simple loop, then improve one small area to start building skills.
Thank you for your encouragement! And also being a part of that "great resource on You tube". As I've found in the past, but still not acquired, is the ability to lay out switches. It is my belief it is essential for smooth operation. Anyway I could learn this is my next stepping stone. Thanks again.
Good video Ron. I went to the library and checked out every model rr book they had. Then I want to 3 "clubs" in the Phoenix area to decide the scale I wanted to model. Like you said....just do it
I would never have started doing my N scale Layout if I had to lay roadbed, solder track and worry about grade and curves. Tomix(and Kato) track are plug and play which I like and you can still ballast them. Grades are easy with woodland scenic risers and incline sets
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You are born to teach. Clear, concise and informative without rambling. Happy to subscribe.
Thank you for the kind words.
Hello Ron...Thank you for the words of encouragement. Though your video is five years old here I appreciate your candor. I am starting out simple with old gear...a brass steam engine and it's controller. Plotting out a layout to accomidate the vintage engine and tender I have and not too excited about doing nothing but staying simple. As you have wish us all well, I will take your advise to heart...here goes to accomplishing the simple things. A smile on my face and joy in model train building.
What a great video and a great personality - positive energy from start to finish. As a child I grew up not just on the other side of the tracks - our home was next to the tracks. I got a Lionel set in 4th grade - then a youngest uncle out grew trains and then an older cousin went to fight in Vietnam and left me his set - so I had three sets combined Lionel and Marks all mixed together - I had enough track to cover the floor of my Grandparents garage attic. I coupled Marks and Lionel with bread bag ties - spent thousands of hours crawling all over that attic - changing my layout hundreds of times - would fall asleep on the floor watching the train pass by. It was a fantastic childhood - and it appears I never grew up. Anyway - I built a heck of a layout for my son when he came along - and then he grew up with computers and is an IT professional. As I ready for retirement - the itch has hit me again and this video found its way into my heart. This time I am going "N" scale for the first time in my life - mainly because my home is rather small. I went on Google Earth and looked over rail systems for the tri-town area where I grew up. There is a grain elevator - a saw mill - and coal and oil distribution yard. So my plan is to build a layout in compressed version of those freight activities. I'm going to purchase two small kitchen base style cabinets - mount rolling casters on the bottom and build a laminated wooden layout base with half inch think pine - no plywood this time. I'm going to take my time - evening project - cause daylight is for outdoor projects. I want to wish all beginners the best of luck and follow this guys advice - I've just started collecting items I'll need and calculating the space available and space needed. And spending so far has been on sales and bargains - and reading reviews. Reviews are helpful. Gee Whiz - I do need to slow down on the spending - got a lot of stuff on order - and got to cool my credit cards down for now - when all the track arrives - I'm going to carefully consider working with what I have and what I can do with what I got and determine if I need more. - I'm hoping for a bunch of track - but its wait and see. Thanks for the video.
Self Summary for Myself
-Start small
-Do decorations and terrain last
-Wire as you go
-Trackwork is the most important
-Reach out to Long time Model railroaders (Hobby store workers, local clubs, online)
-Be very patient
-Celebrate milestones such as a section completed or a working section of track
Sounds like you got it.
Julian. gentleman by the name of John Allen planned his wiring out 30 years in advance. if you wire as you go always remember to make small holes to run wiring and areas where you might in the future set up a switch or building and drill a hole there. if your not aware of it there is a book called model railroading with John Allen its worth a read and can be used as a reference. he was an absolute genius and turned the hobby into an art form.
Start small, with an emphasis on good track work, check and recheck rail joints and be patient.
I would add that you do the hobby in a way that includes you spouse and family. My kids growing up had free reign over specific areas of my layout. They could rearrange buildings and vehicles anyway they wished, and play to their hearts content.
My train room is just off the family room, where I was always within eyeshot of everyone. My workbench is a small office desk in the family room, so that conversations and favorite tv shows were shared experiences while I did my model work.
I well remember a modeling friend who came home from work to find his bride tending a fire made up of his N scale rolling stock. She gave him two options, only one of which included his wife and kids. Thankfully, he made the right choice, and still enjoys the hobby on a much more limited level.
My layout is in our family room, so when I'm working on it kids are usually in the room playing video games or watching TV.
Here's an other mistake I've seen often, Ron; people in the design phase of their track plan realize they have a lot of space at their disposal and so they fill every inch of free space with trackage. The resulting layout always feels not right when you're looking at it and it's because there's too much stuff everywhere.
It's ok to have empty space. Compressing everything in a limited amount of space will not make your layout standout; it will do the opposite and tire people of looking at it. An example of that is when you're visiting your Aunt and she has hung about 40 picture frames of everything imaginable on her 10 foot long living room wall. There are so many picture frames you are bound to miss a few and not notice what's in every one of them.
While on the other hand, if you have just one single picture frame on that same 10 foot long living room wall; people can't miss it.
Same thing applies to a layout.
That is good advice. The less-is-more principle is paramount.
Hence the term "Less Is More!"
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Yea I’m not a fan of those layouts with a big circle, 20 turnouts, 30 lines and no scenery. Looks more like a puzzle or maze where the object is to get the train out of the middle lol. I like layouts where there is open areas to pass through so the train looks like it’s going to destinations instead of chasing its tail
Good advice for anyone, even me who's getting back into the hobby after many years.
+Mike Burton Hope it helps.
Impatience is a big one.
Another one is getting your working area organized and being mindful of space and light around your layout area. It seems simple but I was forever being frustrated stumbling over shelving I had in the way between my workbench and my layout, and my cluttered workspace and disorganized system for supplies. I was so frustrated that I quit working on the layout for a year. I got back to it, but the first thing I did was to spend three weeks in reorganizing the whole layout room. Now I'm a happy model railroader making up for the lost time. Model railroading is actually fun now.
Yes, organization is very helpful, and something many of us struggle with and have to re-do from time to time as projects and material pile up.
Now after a wait of about 4 years due to a cross country move, I’m finally starting my first layout! It all started because I always enjoyed watching model trains. When I was 5 my parents took me to a place called Tiny Town in Indiana, PA. It was a dime to get in and I was overwhelmed by the trains and landscapes. Ever since I have enjoyed other peoples trains but never had the room for the larger gauges . Then about 5 years ago I discovered N gauge trains. I purchased the Bachman Prairie Flyer. I set it under my Christmas Tree. I loved it and was sad to put it away after the holiday. I lived in a trailer and space was at a premium. Now I’m moved and actually starting my layout. I go to get plywood and foam insulation sometime this weekend! I will start with a temporary track layout to see if my train still works and to get an idea of what all I have, what works and what I need for starters. My first problem is TRACK. I have basic track that came with the train set, but what type should I replace it with because I want to create a polar express type mountain and there will be various radiuses needed. What type of track will work best and will I need additional power added to the track for the climb? Can anyone help me?
I started building my first model railroad a couple years ago. It was about 7ft by 10ft ,and the benchwork was made out of scrap chipboard .I didn't use roadbed and then I made the mistake of using drywall mud on and around the track for a station platform and had to tear it out. I started building a new layout about a year ago. This time I used foam roadbed, and did blocks with my electrical. Great video!!!
I'm working on a loft layout that will take me quite some time to build so decided to first build a small layout on a 30"x96" folding table. Doing this allowed me to learn how to wire and use dcc & practice building things. Most importantly since I can be impatient it allows me to run trains whenever I feel like so will take my time in the loft and build stuff the right way.
That is what I did for my first layout. I built a 4x4 in N scale to practice and build my skills...and it was fun. What will you be modeling?
@@RonsTrainsNThings I'm planning to do a modern era mid western theme. Some industry & rural as most of my current rolling stock consists of intermodal & autoracks. I'm working my Amtrak superliner consists in somewhere too but not sure if I'm going to have enough room for a proper pax station. I may have to just railfan that one but I'm kool with that lol.
I am building a 4x8 layout and have spent most time planning (started planning August 2017). I've just barely started getting my track together and begin laying track. Thank you for the video.
Very good list. I agree with not having patience. Working too fast or not trying hard enough leads to discouragement.
Great job! Skills can be re-learned, and there are tons of them in MRR - I look forward to re-learning them after 40 years!
Awesome. Good luck.
I just found this video, and I'm probably going to come back to it for reminders as I work, because I'm in the very early stages of building my model railroad. Lack of permanent space for a layout and a limited budget are keeping me from going too overboard so far on how big I'm building, but I'm definitely feeling the frustration of not getting very far very quickly.
One thing that's helping me with working on a little bit at a time is that I'm building my layout as a series of T-Trak modules, since I can set them up on folding tables and get them out of the way when I need the space for something else. the downside is, working with such small modules I'll be limited on what sort of scenery I'm able to squeeze into the space of each module.
I know all about the planning and never doing, as my dad collected a bunch of track and rolling stock 25+ years ago and to this day has never built even the start of a layout. He recently passed it all on to me, so if I ever get the space to do some permanent benchwork I'll be set for getting started on a permanent layout.
Ron, you hit on several keys areas. I have been modeling for three years. My biggest mistake on my 4x8 layout was trying to create a steep grade which caused the engines to slip. After a few TH-cams and a little engineering I changed the grade from 6% to
Your words are wise. Thank you. I still spend time admiring the Bachmann HO 51507 2-6-2 Prairie Steam Locomotive with Tender, Northern Pacific #2456, that I purchased in March 2021. I have established the era (1890-1950) and the region (United States west of the Mississippi) that I want to model. I will add rolling stock (passenger cars) when I can afford it but will continue to seek advice from people like you on TH-cam. Imagining the model has brought me as much enjoyment as acquiring and building.
I started a couple months ago, got a 4 by 6 piece of plywood as having space limitations and Kato track to start with a layout. No model railroad groups in my area lots of reading and watching youtube which helped. Ordered DCC controller recently and ready to try. Thanks for this.
Sounds great. Have fun and good luck.
My dad and I were planning out our bench work today. We need all the info we can get :) Thanks for your videos!
+Jacob Moorman Keep us informed on how its going.
I watched a few of your videos.... thanks for always being so positive and informative.... I joined a club and I was intimidated at first but realized that most of them started the same way that i did and they quickly made me feel at home..... I was surprised how eager most of them were to actually want to help.... so it's a great way to make new friends..... thanks again for all the great videos
THANKS RON! This really helps me with getting further into model railroading. This will help me fix my mistakes and prevent making these mistakes because I am relatively new to this hobby.
Welcome to the channel and to the hobby. 👍🏼
Two things to remember and consider are can it be fitted into the space I have ( UK has a bigger problem with this) what do you want to model . So decide what you want to do then will it fit into the space I have . Then just remember one of Ron’s tips start small and grow as your skills, abilities, time and money will allow. A good foundation always makes the final project better.
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Hi Ron Came across your video " 5 common mistakes..." and the last mistake of being a loan modeller is what prompted me to subscribe. I have been in the hobby for about two and a half years and had so far been avoiding the first four mistakes. I have also viewed other of your videos and find the very informative and detail oriented. I have just recently retired from a 46 year roll in railroading in Maintenance Of Way department. Model railroading is not so different as compared actually laying track, mainline, sidings, or turnouts. The new thing to learn is the electrical and its parts as well as structures that need building, and scenery. Much to keep me busy. Thanks for the videos they give much encouragement.
Thanks for your comment and welcome to the hobby.
Their is a great feeling of accomplishment when I see my trains running and showing others my work. Did take others to make my electric problems solvable.
Liked it. I'm trying to start small with a 3x6 n scale layout.for two trains and sidings. so far ,so good. Paul W
the only thing im scared of is how expensive it is!
Tophatter Studios after 10 years I decided to use eBay again and have to say it’s cheaper through eBay I would suggest to just be cautious with used items
@@jeffbarnaby2854 I can second that, I've been looking through Ebay after a few videos and forums mentioned it and, while plenty of it is standard fare, there's a veritable ocean of model train equipment and more than a few great deals. Rolling stock especially, as when new it is very expensive, but can be gotten cheaply in huge quantities secondhand if you look hard enough, and some can be a real steal if you're willing to do a little bit of touch-up or replace a coupler or truck occasionally. I'd be wary of things with motors, though.
Try N gauge. It's a small fortune
That's why I just stick with track packs and used model trains
and you SHOULD be scared... there are some ways to save a little but as a whole this hobby is a MONEY TRAP, especially in the beginning... but one way to save overall is to create operations that don't have you continually going back the the "NEW CAR WELL"... model cars never really wear out and they are ALWAYS coming out with new stuff and EVERYONE in this hobby has been caught up buying another car that we think we just have to have when all we are doing is choking the layout with more cars and draining the 'ol wallet... so unless you have a large cash flow devoted to the hobby, economy planning is also a important part to include with this hobby
my dad and i started a a good sized shelf layout last year, but, we hated the layout, poor ballasting, the little scenery we had. We are tearing that up and starting another railroad soon. We have planned this one out instead of the last one and we are actually using real techniques like my dad and I did on our layout 10 years ago. Cant wait to start!
Good luck. It is great that you can do it together.
When i first started out in the hobby, I got a bunch of track that isnt the best quality and a controller that wasnt the best either. I quickly found out that its essential to have a good power pack and good track to ensure smooth operations.
I didn't think I was going to watch the whole video, but I'm glad I did.
Lots of knowledge in there!
Thanks, and thanks for watching.
.... another common mistake is commenting before watching full video . !! Very good advice ,especially patience.
I wanted to get started into doing so, but i have no available room.
In the future, I plan to renovate my basement which will have plenty of space to utilize.
I used to be a huge fan of O scale ,but I need plenty more room to build the layout I ever wanted (which has to be a "big" layout), so I decided to downgrade to either HO or N scale as far as getting more into a layout in a smaller proportionate room.
Great video! I’m coming back to the hobby after a long hiatus. We had a 4x8 Ho set while I was growing up, which my dad built up and took care of. My advice, resist buying a ready to run ez track Bachman set.
I got one. It was a two foot circle, power pack and locomotive with three cars, for like $120.
If I had to do it again… I’d buy a six pack mixed freight from kato for about 72, a locomotive of choice, and a unitrack kit.
The problem wasn’t with the original kit. It was with track expansion. Ez track is more limited in options, and the turn outs are terrible. Not to mention the ready to run sets DONT have an ac output to remotely run the garbage turn outs.
I do like how it is already raised, and looks decent even before ballasting.
Besides the fact that the ez track turnouts aren’t great, the kato turn outs are considerably less costly.
I bought tons of ez track before I knew better, and am getting it to work with some effort, polishing, proper nmra car weighting etc…. But it’s a lot of frustration and no cheaper. That’s just My $0.02.
I may even sell off the ez track at a show to Simone who knows what they are getting and start fresh…. Time will tell.
I’m in the same boat, tried the ez track turnouts on my Bachman ready sets and they derailed the trains every other pass. Ended up ditching them for a single mainline. Hindsight should have got Kato unitrack off the bat but have too much invested in the ez track to switch at this point. Are the unitrack turnouts much better?
I am just starting out in the hobby I am just trying to decide on weather I want to start with HO or N scale I found your channel when I searched for HO vs N scale. You have great advice. Awesome channel!
Ron: Excellent emphasis on the importance of good track. One other mistake that's a must to avoid, is not having an Operating Plan for any layout. Meaning that when designing and building a layout, you must have a good general idea of how cars will be dispatched to different yards and industries, via a waybill system. This is explained well in the book you have previously reviewed, Track Planning For Realistic Operation. Any layout without an Operating Plan, eventually grows old and boring, because once the layout nears completion, then what? Operation stays interesting, because as in the prototype, things change continuously, making operating the layout always fun.
+Rodney Kantorski So true. Thanks for your comment.
You have a great attitude. I just ordered a Tomix N-scale Begginers set with a simple track, 4 cars and a controller. Cant wait to get started. Thanks for the video.
The biggest mistake I made on my first layout was a boring track plan. I built it on two 4x8 sheets of plywood in an L shape and the vast majority of track hugged the edges of the table with as much straight track as possible. (The longest straight was over 8 feet.) That was what I wanted at the time but in hindsight it's a lot more fun to have trains snake around a curvy track setup. My current layout has very few straight sections and is mostly curvy, much more fun to look at.
Thnaks for that advice, I was about to go down the same track (pun intended).
I am planning a railroad so i clicked on this video and i just gotta say you have a really nice railroad and i would love to have that in my house. Thank you for the advice!
Thank you so much. 👍🏼
Great talk Ron. One of the biggest mistakes that I have made and still sometimes make is getting to excited and jump around on the layout. Like working front to back instead of working back to front on the layout.
That is easy to do. Thanks for your comment.
Hi Ron, you are so right!
And yet I would encourage all beginners to just do it. I have two jobs, a family with small kids, no layout room and no workshop but I quit waiting for better conditions 4 years ago and since then the hobby added to my life-balance.
Here is my recipe: I joined a club to run some trains while my layout isn´t ready yet. I joined a shared workshop. Most important I decided for modules. This allows me to start small and grow in steps. With this I can participate with only one module at meetings and participate in a common - often huge - layout. Also, I can put one piece of work on the dining table and benefit from short moments of spare time or simply use it as cooling-down in the evening. I am working on my first video to add to the Nscale community on you tube on how to enjoy on model railroading without layout room or workshop.
Finally I would like to add an experience of mine in that context: quit gathering knowledge get into practising! I learned this form the "masters" at our railroad club when I kept asking them about how they did this and that. And it is true.
And with regards to patience: After 4 years I am still into track work. As I don´t like soldering and as I do very much prefer scenery and scratchbuilding it takes additional efforts to stay on the right track. But it pays off. Even if you spent the christmas holidays on redoing tracks. Although your episode encouraged me at the right moment I am looking forward to further how-to´s.
BTW: Paypal is meant as unchanged and continued support. As patreon changed to a fixed fee (...) per transaction I´d rather make one annual pledge than many small ones. So please feel supported in the same way. Regards, Johannes
+Jo NBahner I totally underatand about the Patreon thing. Both have their advantages and disadvantages, and both are equally benefucial and equally appreciated.
Thanks for sharingbyour comment. I enjoy hearing other people's stories and experiences. Thanks for watching. 👍
You hit it bang on the nail. I didn't know where to start...so I just decided to buy a bunch of used Nscale and HO scale to get the experience. :) Lots of used options here in Japan.
Great video...thanks, Ron. Over the years, I've built numerous layouts for other people but could never find the right design or theme for my own layout. After almost 70 years of frustration and false starts, I finally realized there is no such thing as The Perfect Layout and recently started building a simple single-track oval...and am very excited---!!! As Ron says---start doing something, anything...and go from there. Happy Model Railroading to everyone.
I have a friend who is in a Club that helps me when I need it and it is a great asset to show when I need it.
Hey Ron,
Great video and great advice. I started in the hobby in 1972. I started in HO and built an entire model railroad in modules in my parent's basement to near completion in about 4 years. My track work and Scenery skills sucked back then and materials and track that is reliable and readily available today were not available back then. Locomotive quality is far superior today to what it was when I started. The poor quality locomotives and stupid brass track was a constant frustration for me, but I kept at it, and had fun in spite of that. I then had to move in to a smaller room in that same basement, that is when I chose to switch to N-scale. I built my second layout in N-scale and never completed it, but I had a lot of fun. I stayed in n scale for the next 30 years or so being an on and off Train collecter/arm chair modeler as I did stints in the Army and two Colleges. In 2007, I fell in love with O-scale and started my O-scale collection and my O-scale layout. I am still working on my O-scale layout, which is really small, but very detailed. In 2015, because of my failing eyesight and renewed interest in HO scale, I sold my entire N-scale collection of $30,000, and started in HO scale for the second time. As a Semi- vetran model railroader, I always buy the most expensive stuff first, when starting over, while I have the money. I have been collecting HO scale while at the same time planning and waiting for my Son's room to become available, when he goes off to college in the next 3 to 5 years. I decided along time ago to just have fun, even if I never fully complete a model railroad layout: weathering, installing decoders, building and painting structures, learning new techniques, reading, watching videos, collecting paints and tools, adding to my roster, building Dioramas, etc. I have been a licensed Electrician for 23 years and Electronics in College and have always been fascinated with all things Electrical/Mechanical. So I guess that is probably my strong point. I still suck at Scenery, but I believe I have come along way. I also had 3 years of Woodworking in High School, so I am pretty good at that too. My weakest area is operations. I have been in the Hobby for 46 years, but I have never been involved in an operating session. I also get overwhelmed sometimes by all the neat products available today. It is a very exciting time to be in the Hobby. I would have to say, that I am much more excited about the Hobby than I was when I started. I am also more picky about what I buy. I just thought I would share my story, thinking it might help someone who might be hesitating to get started in the Hobby. In my opinion, as long as your having fun and growing in the Hobby, that is all that counts.
Thanks so much, Russ, for sharing your story. I agree that the hobby is about enjoyment. Glad to have you as part of the community on TH-cam.
Hey Ron. Nice and informative video. One thing that I have done with my layout is “redo”. I thought I knew what I wanted but after I would lay down my track, I wasn’t always happy with the results. I would often spend hours with a pencil and paper planning my layout, I even downloaded a program for train layouts. Don’t ever be afraid of doing things over ( redo ). I would sometimes stand over my blank piece of 3x6’ and try to imagine what I would end up with. It took time, but I’m happy with the design and now I’m planning my scenery. It is very fluid, I thought it would be a little bit of forest and farms...It’s gonna end up being “industrial “ with a passenger train around the outer loop. Wish me luck
I started out with a dinky, Bachmann set from Hobby Lobby in 2013. Set it down on a few pieces of plywood I hinged and then it kind of sat in the closet for several years. Fast forward to this year and I made a visit to the local, model train club meet up and got reinvigorated.
Pulled the old Bachmann set out and found the GP unit no longer functioning, but still had an EMD F9 still working. Ordered a couple of Kato ES44AC's to replace the busted GP and now I'm looking at a simple, flat build of the nearby town of Yeso NM within a simple oval. Start with something simple, then move on up.
Where budgeting is concerned, one thing I will say is that sometimes if you really want an item, you'd better pony up for it even if it cuts you out of other things. This is especially true if it's a low volume, local favorite type of item. Otherwise you might not get it at all or it will cost you a fortune when it gets hard to find. Case in point is a Detroit & Mackinac C425 run by Atlas. When they were in production, I could only afford one. I would have liked another as the prototype would run 2 or 3 in a consist. After some years out of production, a shell came up on ebay. It sold for more than the entire locomotive cost new.
You make a good point, and it is one that all of us struggle with. It is very true of N scale where production tends to be limited in the first place.
Awesome video - thanks for some important reminders as I look to "upgrade"' my layout and develop some skills.
I started a 4' x 8' N scale, I made many mistakes and got frustrated with it to the point I gave up. I have a large garage that all floor space is consumed by many things, I then realized that I could move them out of the way when I wanted to tinker with a model railway. So now I am building a 8' x 20' HO scale out of 2' x 8' modules that will be suspended on cables and hosted up when I want it out of the way (this idea could help others who are short on space). I have completed laying track down on the 1st 2' x 16' module. I am so glad I came across your video on "spiral curves" before I started to lay the track bends down to the next modules. They look so much nicer.
I have been model railroading for many years since I was 8 years old and My mistake was being away from the hobby for 19 years. 19 years! yes life got busy with having a child working full time and going to college. But most of all lack of space and funds to to begin the hobby. Now I have returned to the hobby and I have been really interested in DCC. I am use to DC applications. So I m re-learning some aspects of the hobby. Most of all researching DCC.
Welcome back.
Thanx Ron! Great video.. I have to admit that the complexity of the hobby has made me rethink getting started in it.. It seems like it should be fairly straightforward yet getting your mind wrapped around things like DCC, Couplers, Powered vs insulated frogs can be intimidating. It would be really nice if there was more of a standard where you could just dive in instead of spinning around in circles... But I will definitely check out your other videos.
Don't be discouraged, David. I know it seems complex from the outside. I remember getting started myself. Start with something manageable and add one or two things at a time that are new concepts to you. This hobby is way too fun and rewarding to miss out on. Let me know if I can help you in any way.
Great video
I must say this was one of your best info videos yet Pastor Ron! I found key words and info that you put into perspective to ALL types of modelers....not just beginners! One of those words is encourage.....I try to encourage people in general, but especially new modelers or those who visit our layout at train shows or OPs session. So often a viewer ask me questions about my modules, in the beginning or finish their conversation with, " I could never model anything like what you've done here!" I reply, " how do you know till you try?" Or "what your looking at didn't come to me over night!" They begin right off the bat in discouragement even as their "drooling" over my modeling. A good friend spoke with a brain surgeon at a show, and the doctor marveled over his trackwork and requested that he pay him to visit the doctor several states away and teach him my friends track craftsmanship. He responded by saying....this takes time and patience, something I can't show you over the course of a few days. The doctor was stunned! My buddy paused and said, as your profession it takes years of training and practice. I laughed when my friend summed it all up in a little story for the doctor. He said' " you can't take up violin lesson on Monday...and by the end of the week book Carnegie Hall!" So again thank you for words of wisdom Ron!
+sillywesties Thank you for this comment. I love your statements and that story. I think encouragement is so important. I have seen way to many great models discourage and even offend beginning models. I suppose it probably just a personality issue but I think it is really sad when a model railroader discouragees someone who aspires to be a better modeler. That is 90% of why I started this channel in the first place. I faced a lot of discouragment from good modelers when I first started and I want to help other modelers at whatever level to believe in themselves and try more than they think they can do. I am still learningand groing in my skills and I think we should all work and grow together and help oe another along the way. Again, thanks for your comment.
Hey, Ken. I didn't realize who I was writing to until I checked out your channel. Sorry about that. I subscribed to your channel while I was there.
I'm gonna leave the video production to you and others who have that special talent producing awesome TH-cam vids! In other words, my channel is where I post raw and basic produced vids.
I would love to see a video of how paint your rocks and add scenery to your mountains?
Those videos are coming. Watch for them.
Great advice: 3 of 5 describe me. Should have seen this 25 years ago :)
As far as weathering your rolling stock remember less is more and more is more 😂
One mistake I made was I bought N scale and realized real quick at age 55 and you wear glasses and you tell your self that trifocals aren’t important. .... well you know the outcome so I came to the reality that HO is a better choice
Thanks for the words of wisdom. I am just starting a layout, Decided on 4 x 6 feet, double oval. Going to take my time and get the track right. :-)
This information was excellent for me. I’m probably 3 weeks new to the hobby and I’m working on my layout plan and gathering materials. I definitely pulled a lot out of this video so thank you for the info Ron 👍
Glad you found it helpful. Welcome to the hobby and to the channel.
Apple to the Teacher, Mr. Ron you Need to Teach Classes.. I think many would Attend I know you Got my Attention.! On spending on the Hobby & start small & Grow it out over Time an when wiring and Laying out Track do it in small sections & test before moving On Boy it can be a Big Bummer sometimes when ya wanna just Get it Done and Run but it can be a BIG' pain in the Kneck when ya Hurry to Quickly and ya Got redo it Over..
I know my D.M.R.R is Small and hasn't changed much in 4 years and there are Times when I have to walk a way in frustration over something that isn't doing as I wished it would but my slow pace on building and watching Videos that you & Other Great Model Rail Railroaders have put out has Helped move me forward..
So thanks a Bunch and We'll keep tuning in, listening & Taking Notes🚂🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃
Great video Ive made at least 4 out of 5 of those mistakes.Its taken over a year to fix most of them with you tube and Facebook friends help.
+Troy Brodrick I totally understand. I've made them myself.
hi Ron, just want to thank you for all your videos, they really helped with my first layout.
I would like to have a model railroad someday, and I thought this was an excellent video. I hope I don’t end up becoming an armchair modeler though, lol.
someday? How about NOW!😂
Start with an oval. I’ve seen amazing basic oval layouts
Excellent Video clip! Forgive me for the intrusion, I would appreciate your initial thoughts. Have you heard the talk about - Januke Henatalie Formula (google it)? It is a good one off guide for operating a model railroad minus the hard work. Ive heard some decent things about it and my work buddy after a lifetime of fighting got cool results with it.
here's a few suggestions for diy railroad layout construction
Find a proven set of plans online
Find a colleague who wants to build one too so you have someone to encourage you
(I read these and why they work from Jareks hobby club website )
Thank you, thank you, thank you. This was exactly the impetus that I needed to get going. I’ve been concentrating on acquiring rolling stock, track and accessories. Hopefully I will have everything I need, including a plan by Spring and begin construction in earnest. I am a garden railroader so weather is a consideration.
BTW, I am leaning towards a “dead rail” system, so wish me luck with that.
Keep up the great work, I look forward to all of your segments.
I am hearing more and more from guys doing dead rail even in indoor HO layouts. I don't have experience with it, but battery technology has come so far in the last few years that it is intriguing. Let me know how it goes.
I haven't started building because A) I spent what i could on a couple Locomotives on ebay and when i got them I found out I needed to replace almost everything on the inside. And B) I don't have any space now that I live in an apartment.
Tips for people coming into the hobby is not to buy used. Yes Locomotives are expensive but used loco's can need alot of work. Just buy new to play with.
Yes, unfortunately eBay can get you sometimes. I have been victim to what I thought looked like good deals that turned out to be dogs as well. Don't be discouraged. Just learn from it and move on as you can.
I’ve always bought used for my O gauge stuff. There are a couple local shops that sell reliable refurbished/used locomotives and used rolling stock for super cheap. My advice would be to stay off eBay and do your used market deals either with friends or at local reputable shops.
I lived in an apartment when I started out but I wanted to build a layout badly so I bought a couple locomotives a few box cars, tankers, flat cars, etc, and a bunch of track. My first layout was a simple yard on 3’ x 5’ plywood. There was no loop, no full circle, just a yard that I ran trains back and forth on, and I had a blast. In the first year, I rebuilt it 4 times. Each time, it got better. A little more detailed, a little more in depth. Now, 28 years later, I don’t have a giant railroad with multiple trains and Dozens of cars running at the same time, but what I do have is a 14’ x 5’ N scale layout that I enjoy, and more importantly, I still have that childlike love for trains. When I was a kid we had railroad tracks 150 yards from the house and I never got enough of the freight trains thundering by. Today, I frequently go to the local park in the afternoon just to watch that freight train roll through. Ahhh the romance of a train!
@@danwillis2671 Use whatever space you have. I have had to downsize to a 6'x4' Hornby Track Mat sized layout. Suitable for two ovals for continuous running in either direction, plus a branch line leading to a Inglenook shunting yard in the middle. I added a straight to both ends to widen the middle to avoid first radius curves with the inner branch line. A small country station with a single high street alongside, with terrace homes on the other side. Plus rural scenery. That is it. No engine shed and no goods shed. Simple. I have several wagons, and two rakes of three coaches with only five locomotives, three steam and two diesels... My station platform is too short, one coach has to jump... LOL... It's all about compression and imagination with model railroading... Plus there is no need to spend multiple thousands...
Totally agree. If you are just getting started a simple quality starter set with track and train and controller (like a Kato N-scale) and a hollow core door with a couple of simple adjustable height saw horses to hold it at a comfortable height. Then, get a nice adjustable stool, settle in with some good music and a cup of coffee, and have fun. If it doesn't feel like play and its all work you won't stay with it.
Start with a static scale diorama at first, because it's the scenery that beginners make that often is the most discouraging and there an inexpensive way to build both skill/confidence. Visit local train shows near you and buy old/busted rolling stock, and other odds/ends to practice so mistakes can be made without costing to much. You won't be a model railroad Rembrandt overnight, but once you can make a scratch built landscape that your happy with then it's no longer about ability but keeping yourself in check...
+Richard Mattingly Great thoughts. Thanks for sharing this comment.
I’d agree with this 100%. Just finished a diorama myself and enjoyed it thoroughly, now I’m both confident and motivated to jump into a small N Scale layout. It’s a small step, but it teaches valuable lessons and gives you a small win to get started with.
Thank you Ron. I had to check to see if I was watching you on TH-cam or It was someone that knows me standing in the room with me. LOL I am retired (71) and have had a Bachmann EMD F9 diesel and 2 passenger coaches sitting in a drawer since 1978. (they cost me New $12.50 and $4.50 ea). I am very much a loner and live on my own. With a Nudge/reminder from my Daughter here I am. :-) Rob (Australia)
+Rob Hampton Welcome, Rob. I know that there are some great model railroad communities/groups in Australia. You should try to hook up with one.
Layout Design Elements, size can vary, (such as 2 foot by 4 foot, 4' by 8' etc.) are a great way to start small, not very expensive, easy to lay and test track and to add finishing touches. Another reason to use LDEs, at some point in the future, you may need to move. Each LDE could be taken apart and more easily moved and possibly reused.
You are all right with all you are saying. Now I looked 3 videos, but I have seen no train at all running.
You have helped me decide to reach out to the local clubs. I've been on the fence but you make a great argument and hit the nail on the head regarding being intimidated.
+Kendall Craig Good. I hope you find some good resources and friends there.
You are very encouraging sir!! The wiring part is what I’m leery of. I just started a new layout at home as my old one was damaged by a home fire in 2016. The old layout was a simple single-cab set up but now I’d like to run at least two or more trains at a time. I just subscribed and eagerly await more tips from you. God bless you and thanks!
Thanks for your comment and welcome. Good luck on the new layout.
My first layout is not done yet but so far my two mistakes were getting 3/4 inch foam, and forgetting to solder my flex track while it was still straight.
Good stuff. Something that is also very important is taking action.
Many people just sit and wait with the excuse that they are "planing"...
Just pull the trigger and start doing something in your layout.
p.s. edited as only half of my comment was published initially
My reason for on doing is space and money. I get a good job and better place then all is off to start building the layout in my head.
I’ve actually had to take a step back and start new. Decided I jumped the gun for my workspace and realized I needed better space. As a newer modeler I would suggest deciding your workspace and have comfortable space for working on your models and layout.
That is a great suggestion.
I'd really like to get back into model railroading. I have a 4x8 plywood sheet and a couple HO scale diesel train sets and an HO scale steam train set that my uncle gave to me at a yard sale. I'm not that knowledgeable about wiring. I'd just like a simple setup on the aforementioned board.
One of these days I'm doin' the "inside the coffee table" N scale layout.
My wife and I have a balance with my O scale stuff. I add a new locomotive every Christmas, and don't buy them throughout the year. I only occasionally buy rolling stock.
+Legion of Weirdos Sounds lie you have a working system. Hope to see some more videos from you so ok n.
I agree with the suggestions to make sure the track is done well.... I'd like to add the caveat that before you lay a single piece of track, make sure the clearances are good: One mistake I made early on was building a turntable too close to an adjacent siding, with the result that it fouled the side clearance of passing trains as it swung around. That made for an operating challenge: the turntable could only be used when the track was unoccupied!
Very good tip. Thanks for sharing you experience.
Great advice Ron. I think you framed it just right. I would just add to remember it's just a hobby. Thanks
That is good advice right there. Thanks Walt.
I really depends hew you are my first layout was 20 ft by 14 ft it was horrible but I loved it I like being frustrated and solving the problem. I take my best my worst, my biggest and my smallest equipment and run it over track and turnouts sometimes it's not the big and the worst, it's the small and the best this is something very little model Railroader bring up which
can "kink" you up. The most important part of a layout is the bench work, the track, the electrical. I've been model railroading for five years now and think what was I thinking when I look back, just like most model Railroaders. Great video thanks for sharing.
Small mistake I already made,... left a switch to go on a service line, lost a caboose but the engine some jumped the rail and back on thanks to rerailers, cant have to many with EZ track.
Hey Ron, thanks and some of what you described describes me. I’m been an armchair model railroader since 2011. I had a track plan, a few locos, DCC system, a starter oval with siding set to play with, benchwork that filled a bedroom, and then life hit me...unemployment derails the hobby significantly...not a cheap hobby. I wond up moving....benchwork gone, and now need to start from scratch again. Smaller space, looking to do a double deck shelf layout on one side of my home office. I’m thinking point to point, 12ft L x 2ft D with a 4ft x 4ft helix on one end. Looking for encourage,ent and places to start. I don’t want this to be a throw-away layout due to the shear cost of the hobby.
+Tom W. It sounds like you have a good start to a plan. You might start with one of the decks, see how it goes, and work your way up.
Guilty as charged! A few years ago I built two 2'x4' modules to fit into a corner of a guest bedroom for a small HO switching layout (an around-the-room Empire was never going to be an option). I even bought a switcher loco that I did some custom paint and decal work on, and some PECO track and turnouts. But I never could decide on an actual plan, so I stagnated and left it sitting. Most recently I've decided to make a return to it, but after I make a 6"x36" shelf diorama of an Alaskan Railroad loco crossing a mountain stream based on an internet photo I found. My 3 year old Grandson and his infant brother live in Alaska and this will be a Christmas present for him to mount on his wall until he and his brother get a little older, then maybe their Dad can help them build a bigger layout. I recently got a good track plan for my corner layout thanks to a FB Group member who drafted something I could use based on my input for time frame and interests. You make many great points in this video. Thanks for making it.
That is an awesome idea. I hope the shelf.fpr your grandsons goes well. And yes, groups like the Fb group you describe can be a fantastic resource.
Ron...all great thoughts especially your idea to start small. My personal background is in software design and development. In that arena, we frequently experienced what many modelers (including myself) go through. Namely: "the paralysis of analysis". Planning is great and necessary but too often we spend all of our time planning. There are some great layout planning software tools and they can be very useful. They can also create a situation where all that we are doing is planning. No plan is ever perfect just as no layout is perfect. Develop a realistic and practical plan that you can build then start building. But do not start building without some sort of plan, imperfect though it may be...Harold
Great advice. Thanks for this comment. 👍
Thanks for the advice my biggest problem is impatience it can lead to wasted time and money especially when it comes to track layout.
Have plenty to work with. In ho and n. Made test track for fixing engines i bought off ebay. All easy fixes. I'm good with car pretty much any vehicle atv or street. Electronic stuff started real young. By 12 they called me ziz zit. That sound electric current makes when it grounds out. But got better, lol. Anyway as specified i had derailment. Good analogy. NASCAR. I raced in Florida. Drag racing street racing. I completely understand g forces. Never thought about curves with trains. The transition between staying on rails and the edge of tipping over. Same as my rc track. Collecting trains isn't my only hobby. Nitro rc's. Banks, curves just on edge of control. Thanks for help and courage to continue to learn . to take time and to believe in my talent for other things that can be applied here.
Just starting off thanks for video I have a lot of space and I know I need to do it in sections otherwise I will be both overwhelmed and impatient. It's just having an idea of big picture and making sections that I can add to both scenery my, main interest and track.
I think my first layout will be built to squeeze into a minivan so it can easily leave my parents' basement. I have a set up with a bunch of locomotives, a few pieces of rolling stock and an overflowing tub of Life Like track.
Yes Life Like track is built more around surviving life around a Christmas tree, but I might add some other track since I have some adapter pieces
Thanks for putting it into perspective. I will try to remember these 5 things as I grow my hobby skills and layout.
+Bruce Giroux I hope it helps you as you move forward. Thanks for watching.
Hi Ron, My experience has taught me a couple of things to ass on...
I have a large "N" scale layout that grew by a new table each year to become quite large.. A layout that grows, is a great idea
I am the part in the equasion, that changed a great deal? I became older and now have a health impairment? I can no longer sit under my layout and see up under the base board, my neck will just not do it?
I learned years ago, to install "fold down panels" where possible, and mount electronics and any terminals that have to be worked on with a screwdriver so that they were folded down vertical in front of me.. The panels were hinged and could be folded back up flush under the layout and screwd or latched in place? It is much easier to sit facing your work than laying under it and working upward.. Your glasses as you age will never be the right focal length to see what you are doing when laying down?
The only parts on my layout that I can work on now that I am 74 , are the fold down panels?
Now that I am retired and cannot manage easily, is when I really need the layout to keep me interested in life? So make sure that you can reach things just sitting under a layout... Like me, your body may not do what it did, when you were 30? I now sit in a small trolley and work on panels, that are vertical and easy to reach and see ... Any other work, that I can no longer get to, I have grand children to help me with.. Thank heavens?
I think if realism is a priority, leaving space is crucial. I have no interest in a 2x4 N scale that has 3 mainlines, 10 sidings, loops over itself 2 times, and runs more trains than the Cajon Pass hahaha. Let the scenery breathe! Another thing that is a pet peeve is when people only know 2 throttle settings: ALL OR NOTHING. Unless you want to model Casey Jones’s final ride, slower operating speeds really tie a layout together IMO. Excellent video sir, I appreciate all your knowledge and experience you share with us!
That reminded me of the old movie with Lee Marvin and Earnest Borgnine called Emperor Of The North, “HE’S GONNA HIGHBALL IN THE YARD!?!?!?😧”
Thanks for the tips - nudging me off the arm chair 🚂 New supporter!
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Hey, Ron. Just wanted to say that you're spot on with how people buy too much stuff. I currently live with my parents, and our basement is almost unusably cluttered with all the HO scale trains my dad has been collecting with the grand goal of... sitting there in the box. Not much of it gets used, it just sits there. Some things are also oddly mismatched. There's a lot of CN, but also a lot of SP. A lot of 70s+ rolling stock, but also a lot of steam engines. It's just a collection of whatever seemed interesting in the moment.
I decided that I don't want to be that way. I chose a specific niche (contemporary eastern MA & RI) that requires me to 3d model, print, and paint a large portion of the rolling stock and locomotives I'll eventually be running. My hope is that once I get to the end of my first 3d printed consist, there will be enough of a skill disparity apparent between my first and last coach that I'll want to start the whole process all over again.
Great video, feel like you are talking about me. Just getting started, and busily making on all the mistakes you mention :)
My table is probably too big, I am fearful of failing, especially around model building. I also haven't interacted with any other modelers. I feel like I would rather do it on my own than get criticized by someone else before I have the confidence to take it. I certainly feel a bit impatient too.
My current thinking is to build a simple loop around the table as a starting point. (Aprox 10'x10' Outer dimensions, 3' max width on any section).
I am really scared by the model building aspects. I don't see color correctly (red/green), and was convinced at an early age that I have zero artistic ability- but I love building. Working on the table has been fun. I also built a 4 level circular ramp that I hope to eventually lay track in, and hide with a mountain. Not realistic I suppose, but I love the idea of a train make 4 loops hidden inside a mountain and reappearing a couple feet up. I was very careful to keep the grade at 2% or lower, and curves at 22" or larger radius (HO scale) I am a little worried about the curve transitions, but since I haven't put any track in there yet, I can always adjust if needed.
For now, I am going to focus on track outside the mountain, It should be easier, and hopefully give me some confidence for later harder tasks.
I am leaning towards dc, but I only have one locomotive so far, so I could change if I want. I expect it will be a few months or more before I can buy another. Wiring is only a little scary. I am very good with AC, and even rewired my own house. I have also played a bit with DC. I just don't know how to solder, so I am sure my first few connections will look bad.
The biggest debate I have to resolve soon is whether to build a swing gate, lift out section, or just duck under. I love the swing gate idea, it looks fun to build, but aligning the tracks could be nightmarish- especially given that the space is subjected to temperature swings from just above freezing to well above 80 degrees. I might start with a duck under. The table is big enough that I will not be doing any scenery or other improvements anywhere near it. I will likely just build a simple loop, then improve one small area to start building skills.
Good advice. I just started my layout.
Awesome. Thanks so much for watching.
Thanks. This is really good advice! I'm just dipping my toes in the water and this is very much appreciated. New subscriber!
Thank you for your encouragement! And also being a part of that "great resource on You tube". As I've found in the past, but still not acquired, is the ability to lay out switches. It is my belief it is essential for smooth operation. Anyway I could learn this is my next stepping stone. Thanks again.
Until now I was still a lil on the fence abt getting into the contest but you talk me in to it
Awesome. Send me an email at ronstrainsnthings@gmail.com and I'll send you everything you need.
These are great facts that I live by with the construction of the scenes of my Reggie the Redbird & the Talking Subway Car Series.
Thank you Ron. What a nice guy you are, thank you for such good advice
+Val Borchardt Thank you. 😶
Good video Ron. I went to the library and checked out every model rr book they had. Then I want to 3 "clubs" in the Phoenix area to decide the scale I wanted to model. Like you said....just do it
That is perfect. You have to jump in somewhere.
I would never have started doing my N scale Layout if I had to lay roadbed, solder track and worry about grade and curves. Tomix(and Kato) track are plug and play which I like and you can still ballast them. Grades are easy with woodland scenic risers and incline sets