Hi, i also switches from Air to coil on my tyee 6 with 29" For me, with 100kg , the Air Schock felt harsh on long descents. Bevore i drove an super Delux ultimate. Now it is an vivid coild ultimate. Now i feel more the Underground as before.
i switched from air to coil on my tyee. feels like night an day. a lot more small bump sensitivity. i dont care about the weight. my xl tyee with a zeb weights 17,5 anyways 😂
I love this format of blind tests 👍 maybe you could take a light bike and put some little weights on the rim and then swap them for dummies to see what difference you notice. The same thing works with rubber compound, innertubes vs sealingliquids. What does the driver notice and what can be ignored? The difference between an air spring element and a steel spring element is obviously so small that it is damn difficult even for a professional to notice the difference. Nevertheless, it is of course about weight and durability but the performance itself is very, very similar.
This would have been much better if there was a summary of each shock (what was great, what was good, what didn't work) before the reveal. Also, the comparison testing needed to include a climb; we would all be using moto suspensions if we only went downhill.
I have just finished building up my very first full sus and a steel one 😎 and since I already have a coil fork, I went straight to a coil shock, because I love the sensitivity of a coil. I tried some air forks from friends and also had an air fork before,, but since the coil fork, there is no turning back for me at least 😍 #steelisreal in fork, shock and frame 🤩
Nobody talking about the downside of small bump sensitivity with coil? In general way more bouncy on uphill than an air shock, of course depending on the bike. Besides the extra weight the main reason why I‘m going with the air shock.
Tuning a coil shock means changing the spring. My Kenevo has an Olins TTX and you have a choice of 16 different springs with approximately 10 kg of rider weight difference between them. They cost over 100€ each. I,m a bit on the heavy side so with the spring it came with the pedals were hitting things. And the shop will not trade them as they have a box full of the standard ones already. Also not so easy to change yourself, depending on mechanical skills and the tools you have.
Absolutely depends on frame kinematics, yes some can run both but that’s a compromise. If you want to run a coil get a frame that was specifically designed for them. The caveat to this is talk to a suspension tuning specialist as they will have experience with bikes that are sold with air (for the reasons mentioned in the video) but work better with a coil. Also, that new cane creek thing might just make everything I just said a whole lot of hot air! 😂
There will always be some form of sticktion and progressivity that an air shock will have vs. That of a coil regardless regardless of diameter and damper.
Sorry but sounds very irrational. Then you must be afraid of an exploding air shock, too. There is round about 200 psi in there. 25 psi in a tire is already very loud. Imagine 200 psi between your legs 🤯
@@eXaviar nah mate I just thought of a what if scenario if you saw some of the shit I’ve done on MTB’s you’d think I’m a psychopath not only on them but dirt bikes and sur rons too police chases are the worst
@@eXaviar imagine a car tire exploding as you add way too much PSI to it with the rim inside you’d be a bag of bones and shot into the air see these things your meant to be wary of idiots who aren’t end up on a live leak vid and in a closed casket
Felicidades por buestro trabajo es un canal muy importante en el mundo del Mountabike me gustaría que puedan subtitular su contenido al Español al igual que lo hace El Canal Español ESMTB que subtitula al Inglés mis dos canales favoritos"
Proof is in the marketing, even manufacturers rate how good an air shock is against it it's as good as a coil. Let's be realistic, air shocks are good at saving manufacturers from specing lots of different coil weights or spare springs on new bikes. Nothing against air shocks, but you won't find one on my bikes.
Will be getting my first ever coil shock this week! Unfortunately i can’t ride it because winter but your words are giving me hope that it’ll revive my bike
No.1 it really depends on the frame kinematics and leverage. Most average mtbikers on the commention section prefers coil. But most elite/Pro level to world champ level Enduro mtb racers prefer Air shocks. You can even see some Freeride rampage champion used Air shock. No.3 we cant really compare a regular air shock to a High end coil shock, a super expensive coil shock might be better than a Basic air shock but not technically better than a High end air shocks e.g. 2023-2025 Rs Super deluxe ultimate.
Tell me you are a fanboy of airshocks without telling me you are a fanboy of airshocks. Let me guess you use a airshock and are unhappy people in chat are not all agreeing with you. "Most average mtbikers" "some Freeride" have a word with yourself.
Hi, i also switches from Air to coil on my tyee 6 with 29"
For me, with 100kg , the Air Schock felt harsh on long descents.
Bevore i drove an super Delux ultimate. Now it is an vivid coild ultimate. Now i feel more the Underground as before.
Hello from Finland guys!!
Hello!!
Hello from Mont-Tremblant dude.
i switched from air to coil on my tyee. feels like night an day. a lot more small bump sensitivity. i dont care about the weight. my xl tyee with a zeb weights 17,5 anyways 😂
Your videos are a true cinematic experience! Thank you for your art and talent.🐇🎗🦕
We always hear coil versus air on the rear shock but nothing about coil versus air on the front fork. Would love to see a video on this. 🤞🏼
I love this format of blind tests 👍
maybe you could take a light bike and put some little weights on the rim and then swap them for dummies to see what difference you notice. The same thing works with rubber compound, innertubes vs sealingliquids. What does the driver notice and what can be ignored?
The difference between an air spring element and a steel spring element is obviously so small that it is damn difficult even for a professional to notice the difference. Nevertheless, it is of course about weight and durability but the performance itself is very, very similar.
This would have been much better if there was a summary of each shock (what was great, what was good, what didn't work) before the reveal.
Also, the comparison testing needed to include a climb; we would all be using moto suspensions if we only went downhill.
I have just finished building up my very first full sus and a steel one 😎 and since I already have a coil fork, I went straight to a coil shock, because I love the sensitivity of a coil. I tried some air forks from friends and also had an air fork before,, but since the coil fork, there is no turning back for me at least 😍 #steelisreal in fork, shock and frame 🤩
Nobody talking about the downside of small bump sensitivity with coil? In general way more bouncy on uphill than an air shock, of course depending on the bike.
Besides the extra weight the main reason why I‘m going with the air shock.
Coil with lockout for the fire roads
I ride both and coil definitely feels different and more consistent! I’m a coil guy now
The frame shroud looked good Richard.
Your videos are always uplifting. Thank you for your hard work and creativity!🚚🔔🚛
Your channel is like a light in the TH-cam world. Keep inspiring us with your videos!🏠🍏🐮
Tuning a coil shock means changing the spring.
My Kenevo has an Olins TTX and you have a choice of 16 different springs with approximately 10 kg of rider weight difference between them.
They cost over 100€ each.
I,m a bit on the heavy side so with the spring it came with the pedals were hitting things. And the shop will not trade them as they have a box full of the standard ones already. Also not so easy to change yourself, depending on mechanical skills and the tools you have.
Absolutely depends on frame kinematics, yes some can run both but that’s a compromise. If you want to run a coil get a frame that was specifically designed for them. The caveat to this is talk to a suspension tuning specialist as they will have experience with bikes that are sold with air (for the reasons mentioned in the video) but work better with a coil. Also, that new cane creek thing might just make everything I just said a whole lot of hot air! 😂
You can even get progressive coils nowadays
There will always be some form of sticktion and progressivity that an air shock will have vs. That of a coil regardless regardless of diameter and damper.
Progressive coil on a linear suspension design.
That's the ultimate damper test.
Coil on my fuel ex 8 gen 6.
coil all the way🤘🏻
I prefer spring coils but I will admit it’s a dangerous piece to have near your balls and legs if it flies out from damage
Wow never thought of that
Sorry but sounds very irrational. Then you must be afraid of an exploding air shock, too. There is round about 200 psi in there. 25 psi in a tire is already very loud. Imagine 200 psi between your legs 🤯
@@eXaviar nah mate I just thought of a what if scenario if you saw some of the shit I’ve done on MTB’s you’d think I’m a psychopath not only on them but dirt bikes and sur rons too police chases are the worst
@@eXaviar imagine a car tire exploding as you add way too much PSI to it with the rim inside you’d be a bag of bones and shot into the air see these things your meant to be wary of idiots who aren’t end up on a live leak vid and in a closed casket
Coil for less demanding maintenance and plush. Thank lord for progressive coil springs
I have always bought bikes already with the coil shock.
Felicidades por buestro trabajo es un canal muy importante en el mundo del Mountabike me gustaría que puedan subtitular su contenido al Español al igual que lo hace El Canal Español ESMTB que subtitula al Inglés mis dos canales favoritos"
Alicante have trails like that? Where ?
Alicante -> Mondraker Bikes -> Biketrails 🤣🤣🤣
Why is it that trails look great everywhere but where I live?
Easy winner: What's cooler?
Coil all the way ,like night and day
Proof is in the marketing, even manufacturers rate how good an air shock is against it it's as good as a coil. Let's be realistic, air shocks are good at saving manufacturers from specing lots of different coil weights or spare springs on new bikes. Nothing against air shocks, but you won't find one on my bikes.
Will be getting my first ever coil shock this week! Unfortunately i can’t ride it because winter but your words are giving me hope that it’ll revive my bike
Rich yr not an average joe!
Coil 😎 140TM 😎
However, it is not correct to say progressive and linear, it would be better to say curved progression and linear progression.
Air shocks are easier. Easier is better. I have a coil.
No.1 it really depends on the frame kinematics and leverage.
Most average mtbikers on the commention section prefers coil. But most elite/Pro level to world champ level Enduro mtb racers prefer Air shocks. You can even see some Freeride rampage champion used Air shock.
No.3 we cant really compare a regular air shock to a High end coil shock, a super expensive coil shock might be better than a Basic air shock but not technically better than a High end air shocks e.g. 2023-2025 Rs Super deluxe ultimate.
Tell me you are a fanboy of airshocks without telling me you are a fanboy of airshocks. Let me guess you use a airshock and are unhappy people in chat are not all agreeing with you. "Most average mtbikers" "some Freeride" have a word with yourself.
No
Buy me an mtb😢
nice video btw first