Matt Savoie for Ryan McLeod a necessary trade for the Sabres
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- Kevyn Adams finally swings a big trade, sending prospect Matthew Savoie to Edmonton for centerman Ryan McLeod and AHLer Tyler Tullio. Why are people outside of Buffalo hammering the Sabres for making this trade?
Sneaky Joe defends the reasoning for saying the Sabres overpaid in this trade, but also defends the Sabres for having to overpay in a trade that makes them better. A deep dive into Ryan McLeod shows a player that should perform much better in Buffalo than in Edmonton.
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I’ve been complaining but if we get 1 more top 6 forward it’s a playoff roster, a 3rd line of Zucker Mcleoud and greenway/benson would be better than anything we’ve had since 2010
It already should be a playoff roster with solid coaching and more consistent play. Getting another top 6 forward (although probably beneficial) is a big ask
Sabres have been a playoff team on paper for many years now…
@@user-gg1gb8pr9djrkscbsnotabot not at all their bottom 6 has been filled with AHL players for years
@@mikemayhem39 Eichel Reinhart oreilly bogo montour kulikov ullmark(vezina trophy) have all won after leaving buffalo.
@@user-gg1gb8pr9djrkscbsnotabot yeh I obviously know that but that team with all those players had terrible depth and coaching too
I’m not panicking. We needed a 3rd line center and Ryan McLeod could be just that. We’ve still got a helluva lot of forwards not to mention Helenius. Everyone relax. We’re just gearing up for Lindy’s play style.
Not to mention Helenius, who tf cares shit trade
@@petererckert165 I get a lot of people are pissed off this trade happened, but Savoie is an undersized prospect which we have a ton of. What difference does it make if Juri Kulich or Noah Ostland develops. We don’t have space for every prospect on this team. Since Buffalo isn’t an enticing place to play for, we have to overpay.
Mcleod isn't a good 3rd line center. He plays like a 2nd line center without any of the skill that 2nd line centers should have.
@@cbzblaze2457I think McLeod is a competent top 6 winger as it unlocks his offensive potential a bit more, whereas being 3C offense is a bit stagnant but solid everywhere else
McLeod was a part of that ridiculously good penalty kill unit(s) of Edmonton during the playoffs. Buffalo needs help in that department and this trade helps in a big way.
No not really. He rotated in on the 2nd unit with Derek Ryan.
Was 9th in PK time per game just ahead of Ryan by 20 seconds. Was mostly Nuge at double his time and Janmark and Brown. Mostly would start with Nuge and Janmark, and if a forward got a chance to change out Brown would come in, then Ryan, but he got scratch sometimes for Carrick if they needed more size in the middle or when Henrique got healthy and when he wasn't on the bench McLeod would be the next guy in.
He's a decent PKer but not as good as the other 4.
Couldn't agree more with you. He was lights out on the PK line for Oilers and seemed like he won every faceoff in the playoffs. Plus he is still only 24 and under contract for another year then he is still only a RFA. Plus this kid can flat out skate something we needed badly. Hey at the end of games this year in faceoffs in our zone how huge is it gonna be to have a kid who wins like almost every face off. Advantage Sabres !!!
@@TH-tl6sy, he might be 4th best on Oilers but he's gonna be #2 or at worst #3: on Sabres. I'll take it all day. I'm sure Ruff has pushed Adams to bring in these better speed skaters and tougher more physical players to play his style of Hockey. I'm excited about these new physical more defensive players we have signed. We have been pushed around a lot last two seasons and we learned two years ago we can't outscore every team especially in tough meaningful games at the end of the season. We had to get more grit and speed badly in our bottom six. I like what Adams has done and let's face it big free agent forwards do not want to sign with a franchise who hasn't gotten into the playoffs in 13 years. Tough very tough sell to top high scoring free agent forwards. Plus most of those guys are 29 plus in age and older you get especially being a great scorer who wants to win the Cup are not going to sign a long term deal to finish out your career in non playoff drought franchise like the Sabres. So until we can break this streak high profile FAs are not going to sign with us. Similar to what the Bills went through a few years back.
@@bretthaller2096 well there's no physicality to his game and yes as a 4th line center he went 52% in the playoffs and is 49% career in the Dot. Guys decent face off guy, decent PKer. Can retrieve loose pucks with his speed. And is good for about 10-12 goals a year.
He's a serviceable NHL bottom 6 that's not going to hurt your team defensively. You should leave your expectations there.
@@TH-tl6sy exacttly. Just be prepared to always be frustrated with what he doesnt do after seeing what he could do. Oilers needed that money to sign players they valued more, and they got an asset of value in return. I think its a decent trade for both teams.
Jeff Jackson realized you only win the cup if you trade for a Sabre, not sign a bought out one.
So true lol. Savoie a better acquisition for EDM than Skinner
@@b3rto574 When he plays more than one NHL game we will know that. Edmonton has had many very high draft picks not workout. I am not saying that will happen, but you have to get a sample. His AHL play was not great last year in the playoffs
Love the pick up for the sabres, huge sabres fan that lives in Edmonton and watched every oilers game. Many teams I’d see McLeod rushing up ice with the puck and mistakenly think it was mcdavid. His speed is fantastic.
For some reason I watched him extremely close the whole season I did love his speed but his hockey sense is horrendous. And you're right there was sometimes I looked at the number and said wow he's almost as fast as McDavid. I was just surprised that was the big return for a guy who's a top 30 prospect outside of the NHL. If he plays with Edmonton this year he will hit 25 goals at least. This smells of desperation. It has Terry's fingerprints all over it. Just like he has a license and fee in the new stadium that he did not pay for he wants that playoff money. Something is changed in that guy the last couple of years he's been awesome for the City of Buffalo but rich people love money and when he sees everybody making tons of it he wants a piece of that pie too. I just don't want to make the playoffs and get swept in the first round I want to go deep and I don't think Ryan McLeod is ever going to get you there and this Joe guy trying to put lipstick on a pig. Is ridiculous and if you stick Zach Benson with a guy with no hockey sense and then Greenway on the other side I don't see why everyone thinks that's the best third line we had since 2010 I think they're delusional I think you will be wasting Zach Benson
@@thomaslelinski4380 the way I see it is that we needed somebody for the NOW and figured a smallish unproven prospect was worth pulllong the trigger. Time will tell, let’s hope we made a good move.
Must be why McD had so many points, scoresheet mistook McLeod for him too 😂
That top 6 argument is exactly what I've been saying. There's 1 spot. There's lots of candidates. There's also several center prospects to take the #3 center job down the line. Unless he gets 70+ points all the time will I regret this trade. It's a position of strength from the Sabres looking for a guy right now with no time to spare. It's the right move
Also yeah, Krebs looks pretty expendable right about now...
I 100% the Sabres analytics department approved of this trade. If you don’t look at the underlying numbers, you won’t see it. The Sabres will be much harder to play against they have been in a decade. The signed and traded for hard nosed skaters who can kill penalties and block shots. Cozens and Thompson don’t have to that anyone and don’t forget, Tage broke his hand last season killing a penalty.
@@krt88nc I get all that I see it I like Ryan McLeod. I just thought they could have got him in a second round pick, would have been easier to swallow not a throw-in. Before the Stanley Cup was over I said I have a weird feeling that kid is going to be on our team and sure enough he was put Matt is a top 30 prospect outside of the NHL I just thought they could have got him and some other piece not a throw in
Although Savoie was a top rated prospect he was something that we fans have been saying a lot over the past 3-4 drafts, "another small forward". Also, I am the only one that was suspicious about the lack of the top prospects at the prospect camp? With the coaching change, some of these kids in the pipeline might not view Lindy favorably and that also could have had some effect on the entire group.
Good point about the prospect camp.
Oiler fan here. I agree with your take on the trade. You'll like McLeod. He's dynamic to watch. Adds a lot of speed, and good on the penalty kill. Will fill that third line center role and he actually also played in top 6 sometimes on the wing. i think he has more upside than he has shown. Could see him getting 16-20 goals next year with more ice time. Not sure about the take that he is an elite defensive forward - can make defensive mistakes in his end 5 on 5, and is not very physical for someone his size. I also agree that Savoie was an expendable commodity for the Sabres given all your young forward prospects.
In my opinion, Ruff will address his lack of physicality from day one. Lindy does not play games with that aspect of the game.
@@hockeyteeth owen no power also
@@Sam-pu6kj that's for true. He needs to put on some weight and start hitting.
I like this trade and if now Adam's can go out and get a top 6 winger it will be even better! Im not in the majority of people who hate this im ok witj the trade
Wouldn’t it had been nice if we packaged Savoie and draft picks for a good top line winger?
Yea……that’s what should have happened
are you crazy? Dude was the top prospect, sabres had 13 mil to spend, they could have just bought somebody. I know they had players to sign, but Adams should be fired over this!
@@landshark6897 totally agree
We just improved radically defensively, improved forechecking radically, and the bottom 6 will be extremely fast. That means keeping significantly more pucks out of our net. Firing Adams would be the downfall of the Sabres and the direction we are headed in.
Sure, we needed a young, fast, excellent defender on the 3rd line center who plays PK, has some offense in his game, and will probably be cheap to extend long-term. This was still a huge overpayment and Savoie already looks like an NHL-ready top 9 forward with big upside and has been playing an all-around great game on all ends of the ice, even if he doesn't pan out, and there's no way around it. Both can be true. It's sometimes what you have to do if you're the Sabres though when no one wants to sign with you in free agency. You can only have 6 forwards in the top 6 anyway. If they already have long-term plans and trust in Thompson, Cozens, and others then it isn't a terrible thing to trade one of your 1st round prospects from a couple of years ago to get the perfect top 9 guy to help your team win the Stanley Cup. This trade could honestly end up any way possible. It could be a disaster for either team, work out for both teams, work out for neither team, etc. It'll be interesting to see how this ages in the future. The main thing is how much money and term McLeod wants. The biggest issue is whether or not McLeod's advanced stats are manipulative for playing with Draisaitl and being placed on the 4th line at times. If you're going to trade your current best prospect on the entire roster and a 9th overall pick then I would expect you to get a bonified top 6 forward. Let alone someone who still has some concerns with even being a permanent 3rd line center.
I don't have an issue with what they were doing at first with Krebs. He was never going to be a top player in the NHL. He didn't a consistent offensive and defensive upside for it. He was always going to be a bottom 6 young energy player at best and playing with veteran players and getting experience, sort of as a Morgan Geekie, isn't a bad idea to develop him into a good one. The problem was they did it for too long and didn't give him enough special teams time where he's regressed into a 13th forward.
I think it's a damn good trade! Folks that are trashing it, would complain about being gifted $50 because they didn't get $100. You have to GIVE something to GET something. Period. Lindy is going to improve this team and has massive influence. McLeod INSTANTLY improves the Penalty Kill and the 3rd line. One of the fastest players in the league with size. Edmonton fans are missing him already on the chats. Let's see how this works out, but imho, both teams will do well here.
Well said.
Good hockey trade where both teams get what they needed while giving up what they didn't need. Sabres needed an experienced, bigger body player with playoff and NHL experience to fill the 3rd line center role. They don't need another rookie with future star potential needing to learn how to play in the NHL. Win now is the 2024/25 objective and McLeod helps more than Savoie in the near term.
Except Buffalo didn’t get a big bodied 3C. They got an average sized, charmin soft 4C, who has 3C upside
Hey, go easy on the 5’9” guys. I may be short, but I’ve got about 20-25 lbs on Savoie. 😁💪🏼
big oilers fan you guys will love mcleod he will be missed in oil country
Adams had no choice in acquiring a 3C. Peyton Krebs, whose NHL utility is very much in question, was penciled into that spot before McLeod's acquisition.
I'm not a prospects expert but I did think Savoie was the Sabres best prospect. Seems like GM Adams knows it's a make or break for him this coming year. Maybe he picked up vibes from the owner? Who knows? Don't recall remembering McLeod's play with the oilers so I reserve judgement. Hoping Lindy had a say in the deal. Good luck Sabres!
Lets go get Crosby
Sabres Nation is waiting for a big super star to come and save us. Not going to happen. We have to built it differently.
first looking at this trade, i was, "oh no".. but the more im looking at it, its interesting.
i just wish buffalo got something extra, maybe a mcleod and a 2nd round pick?
there is a chance savoie will go and play wing with mcdavid and have a 100point season, and then everyone will bring this trade up forever.
Or Skinner.
McLeod and prospect Tyler Tullio for Savoie
@@SabresGuy87 tullio is a rochester guy
Tulio could make it. Super gritty and determined kid. You guys will like McLeod most the time, just don't expect him to hit.
@@dex4734 Agreed on both fronts. How each one of the three prospects in the deal develops will be interesting. Hopefully it works out for both teams, and it has that potential.
I do believe we will have one of the best penalty kills in nhl hopefully our power play improves special teams is gonna be huge for the Sabres this year
Great show I feel way better about the trade after your trade breakdown. Keep up the great work!!!
McLeod will infuriate you. Great size, elite speed but absolutely no interest of going to the net. His playmaking is not good enough to do anything on his zone entries he creates with his speed and his shot isnt strong enough to score from distance.
This is the correct answer. I have seen people describing McLeod as gritty (wth) and physical (wth). They have been fooled by his missing teeth.
You make some good points. At first blush it does look like a big win for the Oilers, but it does make sense in the context of the plethora of young forward talent already with the Sabres.
You're right that McLeod is definitely not physical. And nobody is in-game faster than that 97 guy. I will watch with anticipation to see if McLeod does find more offense, because I agree that he's capable of it, especially with more ice time and o-zone faceoffs, maybe some PP. Good penalty killer. I wouldn't call him an elite defensive player, but he's not bad at it, either. We've been hoping he'd blossom in Edmonton for a few years but again you're right that he was behind some jaw dropping talent blocking his path.
Agreed Matt Savoie becomes Oilers' #1 prospect automatically. The locally born and bred Savoie brothers from Edmonton playing together could be a great story. They'll get a chance to play together in Bakersfield because the Oil have so much forward depth already in the NHL. He may be excited to consider going home and playing with his bro and if he's real good then maybe even the big dogs. This will be a fun deal to reflect on for both teams, hopefully all the players involved exceed expectations.
As a fan of another team I would have been fine with giving up way more value than McLeod and a prospect for Savoie. Bizarre trade for the Sabres, how much more do you have to add to Savoie to just get Necas?
Mcleod is a very good 3c and winger. Guys got rockets for skates. His offensive breakout is crazy. I live in Edmonton, boys good. Our offensive line depth just got sooo much better. We needed the cap space, had to trade Campbell, gonna bite us in the ass by year 4.
they found a player without a NMC and overpaid for him, it is what it is. buffalo needs to get into the playoffs, this trade help with that.
Wow so we get in the playoffs and get swept wasn't that fun moves like this do not win you a Stanley Cup in the future. I tell you Edmonton lost the Stanley Cup but they destroyed this trade. Get back to me in 2 and 3 years and tell me what kind of a trade that was and ain't we happy we made the playoffs I waited 13 years I could wait a couple more for a team that's actually competitive in the playoffs. They paid $20 and got $7.50 in return
@@thomaslelinski4380 good luck becoming competitive in the playoffs by being ignored by every FA.
good luck becoming competitive in the playoffs waiting for prospects, that has worked great so far.
Mcleod isn't going to help get you into the playoffs. Baby poop soft player.
@@thomaslelinski4380 yes! Overpaying now is fine. Winning fixes all
The Sabres had a strong prospect pool before this trade, and they still have a strong pool after this trade. And beyond the forward prospects mentioned in the video, they also have guys like Wahlberg, Neuchev, Richard and maybe even Polotopov that have good talent coming along.
So that justifies throwing away 9th overall top tiered high end prospects??????
Since when
@@danevertt3210 He wasn't the only prospect, and they have Benson, Quinn, and Peterka in addition to all of the other young forward prospects. They could afford to make a trade like this. Is it ideal? Of course not, but that is what they have to deal with for now.
@@comicbookcountdown9252 still doesnt justify the trade. Look at that Nashville/Washington trade from 12 years ago.
You should be getting equal value in a trade
@@danevertt3210
9th overall, so what?
Benson was 13th overall, and made the Sabres right out of camp at 18.
Alex Nylander was 8th overall, still trying to have anything like an NHL career.
Savoie was a questionable pick; Mintyukov was taken next and he’s already proven to be a damned good one for a Ducks team badly in need of improvement.
@@GizmoBeach you can not deny the fact that many many many people are saying this is an awful trade. Just because you’re okay with it, doesn’t make it good or okay
Love the off-season so far. The narrative around this team is so toxic at this point, and yeah guys, I get it. But there is a legit roster re-tool happening. These are moves we needed to make. Moves people have bitched about us not making for the last how many years? People just posting awkward-Kevyn Adams-face memes in comment sections. F off. You're not welcome to the party when this team finally makes it back, with Lindy fking Ruff behind the bench.
LET'S GO
I have no problem with Kevin trading a top prospect probably the 30th best prospect outside of the NHL I just think the return is pitiful. I locked in Ryan McLeod in watched him closely the speed is tremendous but his hockey sense is horrendous. I've been watching the sabre since watching the draft will land on us in drafting Gilbert. Listening to away games on a little am pink Neko radio with the poll button in one big dial. Getting mad that Rick took over for Ted darling and this tree just reeks of desperation I know we needed that kind of a player but to overpay that dramatically I think that has Terry's fingerprints all over it. Licensing fees in the new stadium that he didn't pay for and now he just wants to make the playoffs for what that playoff money. Something is changing Terry in the last couple of years he's great for the city I'll give him that he did a hell of a lot but something has changed rich people love money and when they see other rich people getting money no matter how much they have they want more if they have a million they want $100,000 if they have a billion they want 100 million that's just the way it is
Get ready for disappointment lol
@@TheDarthmalstrom no question about it, I am ready to get hurt again
Mcleod is 6'3 and plays like he's 5'9.
Decent on the dot vs lower competition. Good for about 10 goals a year. Decent PKer.
4th line center on a good team. 3rd line center and pker on a weak team.
Edmonton is a weak team ?
Better than descent PKer
@@whatareuthinking1 well not anymore hence he being moved out. Was demoted to 4th line winger. And as for PK he lost his job.
1st Pk Unit forwards
Nuge Janmark
2nd PK
Henrique Brown
Oilers PK was decent with him. At 77% and 79% the last two regular seasons. But became exceptional down the stretch and in the Playoffs with picking up Henrique and Brown returning to form.
@@whatareuthinking1he couldn’t cut it as 3C, so Henrique was brought in, and McLeod was moved to the 4th line where he was a better fit. He also wasn’t one of the PK staples (Nuge, Janmark, Brown were), but did do a good job as one of the secondary PK guys along with guys like Ryan and Foegele
Go Sabres
Like Savoie over all the other prospects we have. Was never even given a chance to show how good he can be in the NHL
He was a scratch in the AHL playoffs. The Sabres do not need a 5 foot 9 guy with one NHL game played. 2 mil for a 3rd liner on this team is well worth the trade
Hate this trade. Sure, in concept they needed to trade “scoring” for “defense/grit” but this is a lopsided way to do it. There had to be better options for a fast, smart 3rd line center.
Good job explaining the deeper situation Joe, always enjoy your Podcast!
Personally I love the trade. How long do you want to keep being the team of the future? We have a farm team literally felt with scoring forwards and we have had that for 10 years and has gotten us nowhere. We have a core full of forwards who can score. We need vets who are tough players who can play special teams and help turn out young core into winners. It's a good trade.
Except McLeod isn’t tough. He’s among the softest players in the league. He’s a speedy 4C and PK specialist
Thank you Joe!!! Great points here on moving Savoie. He wasnt gonna be on this roster in the next year or two anyways
Disagree. They could've played him this year and he'd score more goals than 75% of guys on our team. He'd be a fine callup this year, and on the roster next year. This was a bad trade no doubt. They could've traded Benson and Krebs and we'd be better off. Every year but this one. And i don't think we're winning any cups this year lol.
Why trade benson when he’s already played well in the NHL.
Lots of hate for this trade, I'll wait and see to decide. I had a feeling Savoie was a bust but it's way too soon to tell. So who's the Sabres next captain? Dahlin or Tuch?
I would say Dahlin, he just fits what is need and checks all the boxes. Tuch would be better focusing on his game as much as he can
Savoie wasn't jumped on the prospect chart by Benson, he was ineligible to play in Rochester basically due to age. He was our best prospect by a lot. We get great players in Buffalo via prospects. We just lost a great player. You do understand Moose Jaw traded 7 PICKS (2 first rounders) for Savoie, knowing he's leaving to the AHL/NHL?
I'd have rather seen them trade Benson AND Krebs. I'm not a whiny fan. I've followed only the Sabres my whole 20+ years of being a hockey fan. I've defended KA and basically everything i've seen people complain about the entire time.
This is the most disheartening trade i've seen. Hell no. Maybe it makes us better this year, but only this year. I don't think we're winning a cup this year, so it's a loss.
I've been happy with every other move we made this offseason. But this just stung me to the core. I've been more excited to see Savoie than any other player coming up since our President's Cup days.
I just lost all respect for your opinions, honestly.
Same here
Idk ,give away a future star for 3rd line center,most of the signings short term,id be ok if it wasnt Savoie ,Ostland or Kulich,but i was excited to watch Savoie in camp.The Sabres stuck a knife in that.Do we ever actually win a trade?
I feel for you Sabre fans and I think many Oilers fans will agree. We are happy for the trade but don't take any particular joy in your misery. It would have been different with other self-entitled bandwagoner fans (with Colorado at the top) but Sabres fans are anything but. McLeod will really just piss you right off.
@@cnam1258 Appreciate that haha. Maybe Lindy can push McLeod to pick up the physical part of his game a bit.
As an optimist overall, the silver lining in all this for me; I followed the Oilers throughout the playoffs this year. I always pick a team to follow during the first round, since my Sabres haven't been in for an ungodly length of time. I sort of fell in love with them. After 20+ years watching hockey I finally cracked and am a fan of a second team. So I'll get to enjoy watching the Oilers even more than I was going to. Sabres will always be my #1, but the Oilers are a hell of an exciting and likable team.
@@gootvansquid That's great, thanks. And while unlikely, it's possible that the shock of a trade might result in a fundamental change in McLeod's character, like when V broke Evie.
Total desperation trade. If you can't get more for Matt that's just pitiful. I like Ryan McLeod as a player, but if you're giving a top 30 Prospect and you get back in at a lower line Prospect I can't believe they couldn't get more for him. I told my friends he won't be a Sabre by fall. This has Terry's fingerprints all over it. He just wants that playoff money at all cost. I seen it with Tim Murray and I saw it with Jason reach desperation moves. This is the first time I saw total desperation from Kevin from kevin.😢 the Sabers will look back on this trade in a couple years and say oh my God what did we do
Not a desperation trade. A completely logical trade based on solid analytics.
@@bjarczyk yeah maybe shock set in a little because I was a big Matt fan. I really like Ryan McLeod I definitely think he's going to help the team I just thought they could have got more in return. I don't want to just make the playoffs I want to be competitive in the playoffs. And trust me I've been watching the sabre since the wheel went around and we got the first pick over Vancouver. I would sit there on a pink a.m. radio and I got mad because they replace Ted darling with Rick jeanneret. That's how far back I go. I just don't want to make the playoffs that's not my goal does this trade help yeah do I like the total return back to be honestly know I would have been happy with him in a second-rounder coming back. People say we don't need no more prospects you always need prospects. Only time will tell. But I do like Ryan McLeod is a hockey player absolutely
Just because they have the assets, doesnt mean they need to waste them. This sets a standard. GMKA looks weak after the Washington and Edmonton trades, down the line if they need to add, hes set a precident that hes can be fleeced
This trade is absolutely ridiculous no matter how you slice it. Even if Savoie is a bust you never trade a top prospect for a bottom 6 guy. It's just poor asset management, if you want McLeod that bad and you have to trade Savoie you should get more back. Again...POOR ASSET MANAGEMENT.
No it’s not. Look at mcleods size, speed, PK, and defensive statistics. It’s like trading a good young running back for an elite safety.
@@bjarczyk The Oilers are up against the cap and had to unload $ so Buffalo bails them out and gives them a talented, cost controlled prospect in the process. It's nice that McLeod has size but he doesn't use it, he's not physical at all. He also not a great center and he's much as a winger. Oilers fans all agreed he was the weak link in their playoff run. He's a speedy bottom 6 fwd that will probably give you 30 points, that's not the player you should be trading stud prospects for, Idc how loaded your prospect pool is. Adams should be fired.
The Sabres are getting roasted but I just can’t get upset about losing a 5’8” 180# prospect. If he’s the next Briere, it’ll definitely suck. But McLeod’s analytics chart looks strong and if he embraces a 3rd line shutdown center roll, it’ll free up Cozens for more offensive opportunities which he is more suited for. But Edmonton fans aren’t sad to see him go which is certainly concerning.
Now hopefully Adams can find that top 6 LW w/o giving up Kulich.
he's also like the fastest skaters in the nhl
@@McK9999I watched that guy closely for some reason in the playoffs he did some good stuff. But his hockey sense is horrendous. This is definitely a trade the Sabers are going to regret. I am not mad about them trading a great prospect it's just the return I think it's pitiful and it's reeks of desperation and it has Terry's fingerprints all over it and I don't give a crap what Kevin says
@@thomaslelinski4380
We won’t regret losing fewer faceoffs, seeing fewer PP’s cash in, or watching some mini-me like Savoie get easily knocked off the puck all night long just for an occasional goal.
Savoie is the one regretting this trade; he won’t crack their roster this year (cup of coffee, at best) and unless he plays so well he earns 2nd Line minutes, I fail to see how he fits in their plans.
Mcleod is good. Faster than McDavid, just isn't physically aggressive on the puck. He has and activr stick and is also a very good pk specialist. He would elevate if he could get over his hesitation to go into the dirty areas and block shots. He was always groomed to be a top6 player and I don't think that he has fully owned the bottom 6 role.
look at his history,,,,,,he will definitley be another or better than briere
Woo we're trading top level prospects for bottom 6 players. Can't keep em all so why not trade these highly touted prospects for garbage. Great job 0:01 Adams, they'll be tough to play against with little to no scoring. But being hard to play against wins games not goals or anything. 🙄
Luckily McLeod isn’t hard to play against, like at all, but will some some goals… so win?
Fast guys + our d-corps = fun hockey
Thoughts on Sabres getting Vatrano? The Ducks could use some prospects
LOVE the moves Adams has made this summer to rebuild and improve the bottom 6 forward group! Very FAST & TOUGH bottom 6 ! NO more SOFT Sabres!
Zucker Macleod Greenway
Malenstyn. Lafferty Aube-Kubel
Spares= Krebs and Rousek
Macleod is FAST , good on the PK , and good on faceoffs - 50% winning rate.
Tullio is a little ball of HATE! Reminds me of Claude Lemieux or Dale Hunter! Watched him many times when he was in Oshawa of the OHL!
Remember folks you have to give up something to get something!
Do you want a rookie at 3rd line centre? Remember Savoie will need at least 2 years in the AHL and he better bulk up or he wont survive. Sabres want to improve now ! Great trade!
Question...why is Samuelsson STILL on the LTIR ?? Will he be ready for training camp? Is this why Adams traded for Dennis Gilbert and brought back Bryson?
Samuelsson can go. Dudes made of glass and always hurt
Dude what? McLeod is as soft as any player in the entire NHL
Nuge only played center when they put McDavid and Draisaitl together in game. He was never used as a starting center. McLeod is a good player but at times he was tentative and not physical. He's a good defensive player but in the playoffs he was nervous and prone to some bad giveaways. In the regular season he struggled to score as a center, same with the playoffs, but was productive on the left wing. He's a good player but he needs to grow in the hard areas of the ice, including faceoffs. BTW he was on the 2nd PP unit but they just didn't play a ton. Edmonton wasn't in a rush to move him but this was clearly a deal they couldn't refuse.
Oilers fan here. Everyone take a deep breath. McLeod is a very good 3rd liner. He’s incredibly fast ( faster than mcdavid), gritty, healthy and has allot of playoff experience. The Sabres have a number of prospects that are projected to be better than MS. I really like RM, and nowadays the price for a good 3rd and 4th liners is high. Edmonton gave up a first round pick for Rico and Carrick at the trade deadline. Keeping in mind Carrick Hardly played and is no longer an oilers. This is not a bad trade at all. Edmonton needs cap space and you guys get a legit 3rd line centre that can easily play up the line up if needed.
McLeod is the opposite of gritty what a bunch of bs lol. He’s also not faster than McDavid
oiler fan here, bro does not get involved in board battles or finish checks. he’s skilled but doesn’t engage with much physicality don’t be telling lies now
All speed no finish....
@@Adhirath yes he is...
Don’t lie to Buffalo fans. McLeod is as soft as it gets
GMs make good deals with teams that have to move players
I’m done with not being able to win a puck battle. No more patience. The can’t win without significant improvement in that area. Have to have the puck way more!!!!
Despite the size difference, it’s not an improvement for the Sabres unfortunately. McLeod is among the softest players in the league. He’s allergic to physical play
@@jeffholland3979 dang it! I’m burned again. Just when I make the slightest assumption boom reality check. Hope it works out.
I don't want to sing his praises too much...but...he is going to be one of your strongest two way players. He can forecheck, backcheck, skate like a demon. Oh, who was the Oilers defensive coach that Ryan was learning under last season? That's right...Paul Coffey. Boy just don't like to hit is his problem. Healthy scratch and a reset didn't seem to work
I agree on this deal. McLeod is a bottom 6 guy.. Savoie is a top 6 and we have a load of them trying to crack the lineup. And you didn't even include rousek in that list and he can be added too. We are deep and I think the reason they have not gone and got top 6 UFA's / trades... we have in-system options for that... someone goes down hurt.. we have internal options that may grab hold and never let go. I think Granato this season overcorrected on the defensive play and that hurt everyone. Now we have Lindy (should have never been allowed to leave) and I expect to see things change quicklyl
I’m glad Savoie was the Rd1 prospect moved. Kulich and Rosen have been cooking in the AHL. Oslund projected as a better center. And now there’s Helenius.
At 5’9” with an injury history, Savoie suddenly fits less with what they are trying to do under Ruff.
Doesn’t matter what you’re trying to do with him, you got absolutely no return for the talent you shipped out. Stupid beyond belief. Not to mention someone who’s 5’9 becomes 6’ with skates on their feet. Size doesn’t matter like it used to with the play going more skill driven than ever. When you smack someone moving at 19mph weight really doesn’t matter.
@@TjayK2
Size doesn’t matter…? Tell that to anyone who just got checked by Tom Wilson.
Buffalo has been smallish for too long, too many pint-sized forwards have been drafted over time and Savoie was yet ANOTHER one.
McLeod by himself fills two important needs, and is bigger/faster. Savoie won’t even crack the Oilers roster this year, not as-is.
If he’s there next year…4th Line, maybe? He’d have to blow up to get noticed in Edmonton, and that’s not likely to happen given scant minutes.
Cole Caufield has entered the chat.
Martin St. Louis has entered the chat.
Igor Larionov, Brad Marchand, Cam Atkinson…
Yeah. A lack of size doesn’t justify trading a 9th Overall Pick for an older (closer to UFA + Presently More Expensive) 40th Overall Pick + 126th Overall Pick.
Lol. The idea that ANYONE could defend this beyond the Oilers having some Epstein / Blackhawks level dirt on Adams is insane.
Lol. Savioe is too small but Aube-Kubel brings physicality? Lol. Cheese and rice.
why does size matter? Mcleod doesn't even touch anybody and refuses to play physical did you guys miss the playoffs and the cup final? He's really only a PKer defensive specialist with low IQ that has basically no offensive upside.
@@c.s.s.5326didn’t say trade him bc he’s small. Just that I’d rather see them keep their other prospects.
I like it
McLeod is fast AF enjoy him but he won’t take the body in high pressure situations he gets caught puck watching a lot I’m hoping he can improve his game with buffalo
Is the new Sabres draft pick Geary related to Nate Geary of WGR? If so, that's friggin awesome!
Benson is our new casey mittlestadt. The sabres might have a chance this year if the can find some chemistry.
They are already much tougher to play against
Love the trade, get rid of the weaker prospect for a solid 3rd liner
I can see this trade work out for us!
Mayb not the 3rd line c we hoped for but i think mcloud fits the strategy were building around.
Does it feel over paid, yes but over paid or under paid doesnt realy matter to me in terms of functionality in a line according to your game plan and strategy.
And being realistic,
If the top players who are available by rfa, ufa or trade want to play in Buffalo i am 100% sure GMKA would do anything to make it happen.
But sometimes you just need to fish in smaller waters.
I understand the dissapointment, frustration and anger towards GMKA but please just try to be realistic.
I think we are a much better team right now then everybody is thinking and a few tweaks more can make the Sabres a play off team this year!
Were on our way!
Kulich was my 1A prospect so if anyone is gonna get dealt, im glad its Savoie
Q: why hasn't this been done years before ?
At 24 McLeod has hit his ceiling possibly you’re hoping he breaks out at 25-26 years old I don’t think he’ll ever hit 20 goals a season nudge just hit 30 2 years ago lol
Now this is journalism!
Joe's not allowed to criticize the Sabres, he works for WGR. This trade is a joke. Proves Adama is in over his head. The only acceptable return for Savoie is a top 6 forward. You SIGN 3Cs, you don't trade a top prospect for one.
Great trade 😁🇨🇦🇺🇸
Adams has traded Matt Savoie and a 2nd round pick for a 3rd and 4th liner.. trash
Tuch-Tage-Peterka
Quinn-cozens-benson
Greenway-McLeod-zucker
Malenstyn-Lafferty-aube kubel
Where does krebs play? Who’s the healthy scratch?? Something else has gotta give..
Cool.. our bottom 6 is fast. Now we just need our bottom 6 to get 20 minutes a game and we’re all set…
Sabres prospects, Kulich, Oslund, Marjala (if you dont know who he is watch his highlights), Helinus, Wahlberg, Rosen, and Poltapov. still have good players. What I didnt like was trading Matt for a 3c when all you had to do was wait or force the issue oiler do not have cap space at all. 2nd round pick for Ryan should have been the trade and we will take the contract off your hands. You did the oilers a favor taking 2 contracts off and giving them a top prospect
prospect is Latin for "hasn't done a thing yet".....we are hip deep in them.
“All you had to do “……was watch him get traded somewhere else
@@whatareuthinking1 so what plenty of other 3c out there
Talk about getting FLEECED!!! Adams took a strappin on this one!
Savoie will make Edmonton a better team and McLeod will fit right in maintaining the status quo of a team not quite good enough to even make the playoffs. Edmonton thanks the Sabres for the push they need to win the Cup. Statistics speak for themselves
All I got to say about this trade is "bruh"
Ka will be expected to overpay for trades by other teams in the future or will not get the trade done. Its a poker game and he looks weak
Do you not believe in also building a 4th line also
Was Savoie the weakest prospect? Or the only one that could generate an NHL player? Savoie will be hitting Reinhart numbers before he's done.
We fleeced you guys.. Ryan was a bottom 6 player with low skill ceiling sure he's quick but we really didn't need him, Matt Savoie in the other hand will be a fantastic player with a much higher skill ceiling.
Thx Joe
Aube Kubel Yessir
F-It...im good with it now. We got our 3C , bigger , faster , stronger. 3rd & 4th lines now.
Petterka-Thompson-Tuch
Quinn-Cozens-Benson
Zucker-McLeod-Lafferty
Greenway-Krebs-Kubel
It’s not a head turning lineup but it’s a good lineup
Kulich?
I think you nailed it. Especially with Quinn and Benson playing well together the last few weeks of the season.
@@Deceptive_Prodzzzz I was just posting guys that are currently in the nhl
Malenstyn is locked in at 4th line LW/RW .
He's also another overpayment for a bottom 6 forward but the Sabres will have a legit shut down line.
@@mkrcivoj I don’t think he will beat out any of those guys to be a constant in the lineup
If you don’t have room you don’t get rid of your best prospect. Bundle rosen ostlund and whoever.
Savoie and Kulich should of been untouchable
Helenius just replaced Savoi on a faster path
I dont really like this, savoie for a top winger would have been better in my mind but losing savoie for a thirdliner feels rough
what idiot GM would give up a top winger for a gonna-be someday cant miss prospect?
XBox GMs are out today!
Oilers fans desperately hoping little Savoi at 5'9 170 is going to be a superstar lol. Even tho its been multiple years and he still isnt impressing as an AM.
He was not old enough to play for Rochester so what are you talking about?
not really lol this was just a cap dump and oilers got a potentially good depth guy out of it, seems like a win on both sides tbh
Did you just make that up? Or are you tarded?
I don’t disagree he seems to be a good fit at 3c but, you cannot argue that is is a massive overpay. Let’s revisit this in two years. Guaranteed this trade ages as one of the worst the Sabres have made.
yes , because we just traded away one hell of a talent
@@dougbarber9658 Who will be in Bakersfield, not EDM.
He isn't very strong and the Western Conference will chew him up.
I really feel sorry for Sabres fans today....
yup, we traded away one hell of player
Also who calla themselves Sneaky Joe? What a creeper.
It really was needed.
Too many are acting like Buffalo just traded Bedard 2.0 for a 3rd Line grinder and not an unproven, small forward prospect who just got overshadowed big-time by Benson, for a larger/faster forward who should help on faceoffs, the PK, and not get pushed off the puck so easily as we’ve been seeing too often in recent years.
If you’re hoping for a guy who won’t get pushed off the puck, McLeod isn’t it. The McLeod special is flying up the ice, getting forced into the corner to avoid contact, and coughing up the puck.
This was terrible and everyone drinking the kool-aid is going to be disappointed.
The NHL may be laughing right now, but I'm not. I hate this trade. We got absolutely fleeced, and the question I have is, if Savoie was that expendable, why didn't we trade him for help any other time in the last 2 years? GMKA, has ben preaching patience for years and talked about building from within and not making foolish moves in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs once. Why wait until Kevyn is desperate to save his job and get a marginal 3rd line center? Why not make this move a year ago right after Quinn got hurt and get a top 6 forward instead? IMO, worst move of the Adams era, and I hope he gets fired. What happens in a couple years when Tuch decides to leave as a UFA and we need a top line RW? WE'll be regretting that Savoie wasn't traded. Send me the hate comments. I don't care. This trade sucks.
I agree . The reason we didn’t get chychrun is cuz he didn’t wanna move savoie or kulich . Then the sens got him for peanuts . Sabres fans are delusional about this cuz of how insanely good out prospect pool is , but savoie would be the best prospect in most teams pools and no team would trade a prospect on this level for McLeod. Also u could at least get a decent pick or something too? There’s no way the oilers were very attached to McLeod lol . Terrible trade
@@evanrichter3893 great point, Evan, about the Chychrun situation. I agree totally. Could have gotten at least a future 1st or 2nd rounder too.
I'm not going to throw stones at you I'm on your side this is the worst trade in the Kevin Adams era by fire a desperation move big deal make the playoffs one year and get swept in the first round wasn't that fun and lose an A+ Prospect in the transaction for a borderline third line Center. I watched him closely this whole playoffs and he does some good things but his hockey sense is horrendous. That's why he has all that speed and skill what is at best a third line Center and a fourth line Center on most teams. I'm telling you it has Terry's fingerprints all over it he wants that playoff money. Don't believe that crap if I want more money I'll go drill more Wells that's just BS. That's why there's a licensing fee on the new stadium. One thing rich people love more money. I don't know how this guy Joe and defend this trade because it is a joke. I keep on waiting for someone to tell me it's just nothing but a bad rumor
@@thomaslelinski4380 yes, I thought the same thing. This reeks of a Pegula ultimatum to Adams. “Playoffs this year or you’re fired”. Total desperation move.
The very next player taken after Savoie?
Mintyukov. Drafting Savoie was a mistake, this rectifies that. He’d have added NOTHING the Sabres didn’t already have.
And w/ so many others in the pipeline, and help in certain areas needed now, this was a necessary trade. Frankly, I don’t see how it helps the Oilers. 🤨
Matt savioe is at least 2 years away still . He couldn’t make a huge impact in the AHL which is why he only played 6 games . He looked totally lost in his one NHL game last year and in the 2024 world junior tournament he had 0 goals and 1 assist in 4 games . The kid is not close to being ready in my opinion. We have a lot of young talent in the system that in my opinion is as good . And we got someone who can help us break the drought . It’s a win .
Lots of BS in your comment.
Sabers fans get ready for disappointment. People keep calling Mcleod a 3rd line center. Sure he's been playing there but there is a reason the oilers picked up henrique.
Mcleod doesn't have near enough skill to play in the top six. He's also a super soft player which doesn't bode well for a bottom 6 role. Mcleod is allergic to contact. He plays an exclusively perimeter game.
He is fast, but doesnt utilize his speed for anything productive. He will frustrate you. The play consistently dies on his stick. Mcleods best usage was as a 2nd line left winger. But he couldnt produce any points playing with draisaitl.
The soft clearances will piss you off.
The poor board play will piss you off.
Mcleod is a cap dump. Oilers getting anything back is a win.
Speed 😂rules 🚀🇨🇦🔥🇺🇸
Paid to much. Need to squeeze teams that have to move players
Sabbres got fleeced
They needed an NHL player to play 3C, not a coin flip in 2026 - 2027. With the logjam at forward in the prospect pool, someone had to go and Savoie was the furthest out and had the biggest question marks, arguably.
Fire Adams. What an awful trade. Dealing a 2nd and a 5th essentially for a 9th Overall Pick.
Terrible asset management.
Also, this also tells you they have zero faith in Anton Wahlberg panning out so there’s another waste of a 2nd Rounder.
You are being way to positive, the sabers got absolutely screwed . Oilers are laughing. They would have gave McLoed away for nothing
UPL is not worth more then 3.5 at the highest point.... Mcleod is not worth Savoier
what has Savoie done since he was drafted?
Passed by Kulich, Rosen and Ostlund then add Helenius.....buhbye!
Listen, first reaction is aaaaaaaa... shit. But I'll say this, he's a prospect. He's done jack shit in the NHL. As I told several ppl today, he may be one of thier top prospects, but so was Zach Kassian at one point.
Awesome 😁🇨🇦🇺🇸
It's official Savoie will now win the cup
Bakersfield doesn't play in the NHL....you know this?
How is everybody going to feel when Savoy keeps getting injured?
Or when he is a perennial 70 point player ?
standout stats for McLeod
•11.9% shooting
•49% face-offs
•fastest skater in the nhl
I just have to say as an Emontonian who has watched Ryan for a few seasons now. Three conference finals and 1 Stanley Cup final.
Playing alongside McDavid and Draisaitl. The two greatest players in the NHL today. What the heck are you crying about. You Sabres are so lucky to have an NHL proven and more than capable 3C than a prospect. Oh yeah...Matts older brother plays with our AHL affiliate. Let me know how that worked out. Ryan rocks Give him a chance. We love him. Your lucky