Atma Bodha - Self-knowledge - lecture 7
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- Verses 13-14. Atma Bodha of Shankara or Shankaracharya is a clear and powerful presentation of Advaita Vedanta, based on the profound spiritual wisdom taught by the ancient rishis in the Upanishads.
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Wow, Swamiji this is the best lecture I ever had in my life. Thank you so much for revealing this knowledge. I cannot believe I find these lectures on TH-cam Om Namah Shivaya.
I like to think of pancha butas as not elements but states. Solid . liquid. Vapor. Plasma. Space (as seen in the expanding universe)
i wrote a bit about it in other video's comment, with a few questions. i agree, they make more sense as states.
@@smausil oh it was you? Yes i liked your comment. Thank you for that. It really helped me. I could not believe that the ancient teachings could be disregarded so easily as mistake.
I have seen that error of thinking too many times. It makes me think of the famous "junk DNA".
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@@aurelienyonrac same here, I too find it hard to believe that their teachings about anything can be entirely wrong. TYSM
Yes, pancha bhutas are better understood as states. Sometimes in English there is not an exact or a good enough translatory word for Sanskrit
The elements as in the periodic table are known as Dhatu.... the periodic table represents dhatu varna...
"The key is discernment". Viveka. Thank you for this wise lecture. Namaste.
My ignorance feels already more knowledgeable. 😍😘
Kot kot dandwat pranaam Swamiji 🙏🙇♂️🙇♂️🙏
Swamiji 🙏!! I am excited to know how to discern. Looking forward for the next videos for this.
Just a comment: This is regarding panchamahabhuta in lecture 6 and the introduction of lecture 7,. We know that in India 'khichdi', is made of rice, pulses, oil, masalas.... This is absolutely correct. In our routine conversation we need not say that khichdi' is made of 59% carbon, 20% nitrogen (arbitrary ratios given here).... This is more technical but the earlier one is more easy to understand and yet absolutely correct...
It is arguable that ancient rishis didn't know about 104 elements, but that statement regarding panchbhuta definitely has much sense.
i absolutely agree with you
Link to swamiji's Pancha Kosha presentation
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Shanti, shanti, shanti 🤍🙏
Thank you Swami T. for confirming that I am beyond the koshas and the body, mind, and senses. I don't do anything, I'm not affected by anything, I do not suffer.
Swami Tadatmananadaji my humble obescience to you. My sincere gratitude to you for your great speech on Self realization which is not only very masterly but also a gradual life changing force for any spiritually inclined person. I am 72 years old and a workholic unable to get rid of some of my addictive nature(I neither smoke or drink to give clarity) even at this stage of my life struggling with lots of karmic burdens but watching your lectures on you tube has given me great insight into what life is all about in absolute terms. In this respect I would like to also salute the current owners of TH-cam, that is Google and the their team!!
My interpretation of Atma Kosha is thus: Kosha here refers to the layers of "challenges" in increasing levels of difficulty. First challenge being the physical body which the conshiousness identifies itself and which it needs to differentiate. Once this level is conquered, the sukshma sharira in the order of prana , manas and buddhi in that order and difficulty need to be made distinct from atma. Thankful to the guruji , they are slowly making sense.
Nyaya, Ayurveda, Arthashastra are all composed by Rishis’ These works are on Logic, Medicine, Economy and similar works were composed on Astronomy, mathematics and almost on every area of science - including structure of Atom and sub-particles, gravity is discussed in Vashashika by Rishi Kanada
Swamiji, thank you for the satsang's mercy!
Here are a few words that came out of nirguna, from the silence of reality through the grace of Sri Ramana Maharshi:
641. Even though in truth one ever remains as Self [Atman],
one’s efforts to seek Self as if one were something else and to attain Self,
is to subside finally by knowing that the Self [‘I’] shining in anyone,
though it now seems to be different from oneself, is not different from oneself.
642. One’s thinking that Self, which [in reality] is not other than oneself,
is other and toiling very much to attain It through one’s own effort [through sadhanas],
is just like one’s running after one’s own shadow to catch it.
643. Since existence itself is clearly shining as the
consciousness ‘I-I’ in the heart,
that reality, the unfalse eye [or knowledge], and not those objects [vishayas]
seen by the physical eye, alone is sakshat [what is seen directly].
Therefore, seek and know that.
644. Those who do not keenly attend to and know the existence-consciousness
which shines ever-unsetting in the heart, fall into Maya through the objective attention
caused by the ego, which rises and attacks with dense delusion.
(Guru Vachaka Kovai)
OM TAT SAT
ओम् तत् सत्
@Ruby Badilla,
Namaste!
Thank you for such an interesting and comprehensive review!
Pranam swamiji.. You are the best teacher in the world. 🙏 😊
Om Shanti
Love 💓 serve,meditate, realize
Tat twam asi !
I think the Rishis were correct. There are five elements, today called solid, liquid, gas, plasma and aether. What is aether then? The aether is the zero point energy in space. Atoms for example are merely shapes of zero point energy.
@Ruby Badilla Yes, consciousness is more fundamental than the material universe since all objects both material and immaterial exist as appearances in and of consciousness. I didn't read your whole comment, but I think it's consistent with this view.
Aatmiya Swami Ji.
Jay Thakur.
Hare Krsna.
Purpose, Patience, Persuasion, Persistence can lead to discerning levels of EXISTENCE. These effort ultimately assist in gradually realising that ALL Sufferings are of Body/Mind/Senses/Intellect/ Complex than [MINE].. SATCHITAANAND, Swarup.
Loving you one and all my fellow learning colleagues Now and HERE in this Light and Moment.
Wow, I’ve had to try to piece information together from so many sources for the past few years, always with lingering doubts of realizations along the way. This series provides wonderful clarity and answers so many questions. Thank you!
Thank you.. I realize we have a lot of habits to identify ourselves with the body.
The 5 elements of our existence are to be considered figuratively as the key ingredients that resulted in our creation. Pruthvi = Earth or gross matter (barionic matter), jal = water or fluidity, agni = fire or reactions, vayu = air or agitation (my interpretation) and akash = Ether or energy dark energy/ matter the governing galactic physics forming the cycles of objects in space
Thank you so much for these Videos, Swamiji 🕉️🌞❤️
Namo Namaha Swamiji.
Thank you Swamiji.
The wise of the past knew about, gold, silver, copper, etc. But all these elements contain the 5 qualities. Earth= mass, Fire=temperature, Air= movement, water= cohesiveness (add water to flour for example), and Space, without space nothing can exist
Thank you very much Swamiji 🙏🕉
Thank you for a great teaching 🙏
Namaste
Thanks a lot , Swami Ji for taking so much pains to enlighten us
59:52 🌱thank you
Memory is stored in the literal cells of the body even, so certainly beyond the brain. In fact that is one of the reasons for one carrying the nose of the grandfather on one self. This is much deeper subject, but i just wanted to make the afore point
Returning to the question of the five elements, in my opinion the ancient rishis were not mistaken in anything
and their description of both the absolute reality and the material world is completely reliable.
I am carrying out the description of 5 elements that I encountered by S. Chatterjee.
According to a well-known description, from Atman, or Brahman, the five subtle elements first arise in the following order:
ether (akasha), air (vayu), fire (agni), water (apas), and earth (prithivi).
Then these elements are mixed with each other in five different ways to make up
the five material (gross) mahabhuta elements under the same names.
The material ether is produced through a combination of five subtle elements in the proportion:
1/2 of the subtle ether element + 1/8 air + 1/8 fire + 1/8 water and + 1/8 earth.
Likewise, each of the other five material elements is formed by a combination of subtle elements in the proportion:
1/2 of the subtle substance of a given element and 1/8 of each of the other four.
This process is called "combination of five" (panchikarana).
The subtle body of a person is formed from subtle elements,
and the physical, like all physical objects of nature, is formed from physical elements
that arise through the mixing of five subtle elements.
Shankara shares this description of the creation of the world,
but he considers the whole process in the light of his theory of vivarta
(an illusion arising from the fact that one object is taken for another),
or adhyasa (a word for denoting illusion or seeing one thing as another),
then there is all this - just unrealistic assumptions.
OM TAT SAT
ओम् तत् सत्
I also think that meaning of the word panchabhuta is lost when translated into english
🙏 Thank you swamy.
Ancient Rishis are masters of both material and spiritual knowledge.
Greatest of great Adi Guru is non other than Dakshina Murthi. He imparted part of his knowledge to ancient Rishis. The scientific fact which is accurate today may not be correct after 100 years. But the knowledge from ancient Rishis is eternally truthful. Leave all doubts, follow teachings of learned Guru.
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Such good lectures. He did an amazing job and comes off so humble and likeable. Memory is not in the brain, its in the magnetic field surrounding the brain. It's non local like fourier transforms in holography. Think of reality as a wave or a field that permiates the entire universe and only takes on a phusical appearance in our minds but is not physicall parse.
Thank you again swamji for this great knowledge❤️🙏🏻
Thanks Swamiji 🙏🙏🙏🙏
loosing loved ones (I lost my wife) is also suffering we can't overcome this suffering is ending life is the solution
ओम शांति:
There is one truth
And the way to truth is to follow the truth 😉 because in the end truth only triamphs.
Neti Neti, is the best technique.Vedantic knowledge is the formula or algorithm to achieve that truth and meditation is the application of that formula.
First of all the vedantic teachings sets your compass that is where to look for that truth outside or inside or both.
Very well explained
sir i have a doubt. please clear , yadi memory subtle body me store nahi hoti to past me bahut se sadhu rishi aise bhi hue hai jinhone kud ki past life ke baare me pata chala, to ye kaise hua, yadi memory brain me store hi hoti to unn rishi ko kaise apni past life ke baare me pata chala, please help. i am so confused now
I am following these lectures assiduously... Or should I say my intellect is... Thankyou. Deep gratitude to you
Very enlightening
Sri Ramana Maharshi taught:
M. To know that there has never been ignorance is the goal of all spiritual teachings.
Knowing your ignorance is a necessary part of knowing. Awareness is jnana,
which is eternal and natural, but ajnana is not natural and not real.
Some eminent people attain unshakable jnana right after hearing the Truth,
for beginners it takes time to achieve this.
People ask, "How did ignorance [avidya] come about at all?"
They should say: "Ignorance has never arisen, for it has no true being.
THAT which IS is only vidya [Knowledge]."
Devotee. Why, then, am I not aware of it?
M. Because of samskaras [inner tendencies of the mind].
However, find who is not aware and what is not realized.
Then it will become clear that there is no avidya.
OM TAT SAT
ओम् तत् सत्
Pranams Swamiji, Thank you so much for these invaluable information and explanations of the Adi Shankaracharya's Teachings. Ever Thankful for your efforts in clearly explaining with patience about each sanskrit word.. In the previous lectures, you had mentioned about physical body is mentioned as Gross body,one small clarification on why the body is called Gross body is because it is subject to decaying.
Swamiji what are those five fold proccesses which makes subtle to gross elements?🙏
First thing First
We have 7 chakras
5 chakras control elements like these pancha vuta.... That's the point they were saying.... Not like doctor and financing
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Thanks
Swamiji, I understand that my sufferings are not related to the "I" but then how does that belief lessen my sufferings?
What if we say that the five elements are solid, liquid, gas, plasma and space?
Thank you Swamiji 🙏
My humble namaskarams Swamji. I am half way through your lectures but I have one big question which I think you should be in a position to resolve for my consious awareness, after all these years - I have always believed in Karmic Phalam and so farI have willingly gone through all the challenges in my adult life, after teenage and childhood freedom and enjoyment, but my question Is, whether destiny essentially ordained for a person in the existing life and does astronomical plantery factors play powerful role and is a contributory factor for an individual's life as a major part of karmic karana such that one has to accept this ultimately ? This is not at all a theorical questoin but am talking from my own perspective having faced extreme challenges during my entire 65 years, that I can vividly remember, right after birth!!
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Pranaam, some questions arose, based on this talk…
1. Worldview - even enlighten persons have different world views? Their world view is not complete? Or is it dependent on the situation of the world, the level of language, and the attitudes of masses during those times?… don’t we have to update entire vedantic texts for current worldview then?
2. Area of Expertise - there is no relation between enlightenment and knowledge about human creativity and politics etc? what are all the things which are out of scope of enlightenment?
3. Rebirth - Is a human being a single life? What about food we eat, microbes inside us? Each cell has own life? Who gets enlightened then? And what exactly is a soul? Does sukshma sharira also change/grow with each incarnation? How does it survive after death? If you destroy a computer hard disk, the data is gone… but if someone dies, how does memories/karma survive, and how they are reborn?
4. Ignorance - If ignorance is beginning less, then is it brahman? Otherwise how can then ignorance end at enlightenment stage? Turiya, is deepest deep sleep or total wakefulness? Or something else or both?
5. Decay of sharira - When does the decay starts? The child’s body is still growing… is there any tipping point?
6. Suffering - If we don’t identify with our own suffering, can we identify with suffering of others?… spirituality and compassion for others, how to relate them?
Humbly
1. Enlightened. The recognition that you are the light of consciousness.
1) enlighten person are those who left their body in mediation like swami Vivekananda and great adi guru shankra and rayar etc
Enlighten will never come back to the earth cause at that time the world will not be exsisting for them
Same as when u sleep u see dream and when u enlighten or wake up u know that false u don't go there back 😊😊😊😊😊
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2. The knowledge that is revealed is that you do not know. Examples: you do not know nor can know what you are, you can only be. All you see are images, reflection and could not be you. You are a mystery onto yourself. Shrouded in mystery, you are undefinable, limitless... Actually even that is too defined.
3 rebirth. Your identification does not get reborn. Then your identification to identification does not get reborn. In other words you don't mind having opinion or not having opinion. As you don't mind, you don't build karma, and as you don't mind having karma, karma is not a source of suffering, so to you, karma has disappeared.
You are not attached to hopes.
You are not attached to hopelessness. You welcome both as you would any guests in your house. Blessings are good utterance.
How does that feel?
@@ALECKaribasvaKubasad so enlightenment is suicide of current human life? why? what happens after? whats the fun in this kind of dissolution? .... and no alive person can be enlighten? ....
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Song at the beginning goes SO HARD
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If memory dies with the body, what about those who are able to remember their past life?
So no ignorance no birth. Right?
Were you ever born? Maybe your body was, maybe your mind was, but you weren't. You will also never die.
Excellent lecture, but do you need to read or recite the Hindi or Sanskrit verses to your listeners?
What speaks against reciting the Sanskrit verses? After all, when one wants to gain knowledge about Sanatana Dharma, it was defined and imparted originally in Sanskrit. In fact, for those that really want to understand fully and do a real deep dive actually take to learning sanskrit and hindi because in certain cases, English does not even have the right equivalents to translate some of the concepts from Sanskrit into English.
Namaskarams Swamiji
Jeevthma striving to become moksha sharira or to experience paramathma. Paramathma qualities to be known as
1. Always lives with no death
2. Always rich with no poor
3. Always happy with no sadness
4. Always with good smell with no bad smell
5. Always pure and clean with no dirt
6. Always true with no lies
7. Always freedom with no surrender
8. Always healthy with no diseases
etc.,
Can shuttle body memories things ?
no memories are in your body (brain circuit connections)
After watching one of the Guru ji's video i came to acknowledge that shiva with snake and third eye symbolise as Kundalini awaken person and become powerful as well, i want to know how KalaVairava Stops Time for Markandeya and What is Its Meaning According To Ancient Rishi's About Stopping Time Forever ?? Please give knowledge in this topic. THANK YOU
Great teachings!!
Great 👍🏾 video I understand discernment intellectually but how do I attain that state
Could Sheath mean obscure? pancha kosha obscures the all pervasive Atma
If you see five sheaths apart from consciousness, that's an error. Five sheaths are 'made of' brahman, yet brahman remains unaffected by the sheaths. Like copper does not get transformed into some other metal if a pot is made out of it or a dish. Error is if copper thinks 'I am a pot'. Knowledge is, the very existence of pot is possible because of copper.
VAGUE POINTER - panch kosha are not stagnant, they rise/change with each incarnation, to be able to increase the anandmaya kosha's content. eventually everything tries to be in anadamaya kosha and get enlighten
Jeevathma a sookshma sharira which have no death but takes different bodies by reincarnation based on yet unknown universal rules, and jeevathma is bound by space and time fabric whereas paramathma is not. Jeevathma with borrowed "freewill" fulfill self desires by actions and experience their results either good or bad based on universal laws. I think "1. Jeevathma who is attached to the body is called sthula sharira. 2. Jeevathma who is attached to emotions is called sookshma sharira. 3. Jeevathma attached to parmathma is called moksha sharira.
Atma or no atma, that's the question ! 😉
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Wat do u think dr Otto?
There is (can not be) many aatmas....
There is only ONE...
BRAHMAM/PARAMAATMA/ CHITH/EESWARAN
(by any name you call it)
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In the end Swamyji identifying with other four koshas we suffer. But u said five.
what happened
Memories are a part of the sthula sharira alone? Question: Why then can some people remember their past lives in detail?
This is the same question I had. The past life research and regression therapies clearly show that our memories are not erased but they become inaccessible. Several meditators also report that they are able to see some of their past lives during deep meditations.
Memories are part of Causal body and are stored in sub concious mind. Causal body is result of karmic action of individuals past lives.
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So sages like shaankaracharya, Dayanandji and many more are born as ignorant? Then they recognized true self which really they were and all of us are?
POINTER - all sages, beings, anything you see, are(were) in a current state, depending on what they did and what happened to them in earlier incarnations. yes, whatever can be seen, heard etc, area all ignorant(in the sense that they are not the prime SAT, they change, but PRIME sat is what they are made of, upon modifications of energy on them (shiva-shakti))
Christ,Krishna and a few more in this category?
What category?
ANANDmay Kesha may be exception in a way but ignorance, birth is suffering. Ignorance does not go away by deep sleep.
POINTER - birth is another attempt to get rid of suffering of ignorance. Ignorance will not go in any form of sleep, but its the highest awakened state, when you can see and sense everything (apparently)
Does Anandamaya kosha has no experience in waking state?
Anandamaya kosha has no direct registered experience. But, the experiences gathered in waking state remain in seed form without bothering.
VAGUE POINTER - experience is not a property of anandmaya kosha... it is the experiencer...
Sorry to say, your explanation doesn't make any sense. What did you imply by 'vague pointer' by the way?
@@ankitroychoudhury8406 I was not inclined to give detailed answer... so just a pointer... anandmaya kosha is the parmatma element? experiencer? eyes of the eyes?... no?
@@ankitroychoudhury8406 I have a question here. When we experience happiness in waking state, where does that happiness come from? Anandamaya kosha or direct experience of bliss from absolute?
“When your life comes to an end, you get reborn ignorant. No one gets reborn enlightened.” (Discussion at 23:00 mins into the video)
Then please explain the births of:
Anandamayi Ma
And
Nityananda of Ganeshpuri
Anandamayi Ma once said she has always remained in the same state even before she was born
She meant Herself the Atma which never changes even when reborn into different bodies. So are You...You’ve always been the same birth after birth...You as the Atma.
@Kofi Manu, yes, but she was aware of the Self and thus enlightened before, during and after birth.
Nityananda and Anandamayi Ma both said that they took birth only because they were pulled by devotees into physical existence.
Why the ancient time so focus with this idea of suffering or ignorance? They are dream like that have blind sport or hidden that cause from misidentification. Seem like they use avoiding for suffering which they fear most to find freedom. it is not in your reality of your essence why concern too much of what you are not? Non self recognition open opportunity to miss use gift of form. Like blind fold. Not always end up in the hole but potentially can be in the hole in a matter of time. however, Being in the hole let you to discover you are blindfolded which can be a driving force toward atma. Atma gives you power to see whether you blindfolded or not. Karma ideas seem to imply that having a body is a burden by natural process. Infact, it has equal opportunity to be blissful. Why they are not extensively explore? After all body is a mechanism for all experiences. It is not exclusively use for suffering but it is available to be explored. Allow nature to be what it is. Atma present everywhere, everything, so where would atma be without karma or desire? Or what atma be like without desire? How about the desire to know itself is a burden or enlighten?
Sat- is existance or truth or real?
VAGUE POINTER - sat = the one which never changes, or the one which ultimately exists and can not un-exist or die. existance has SAT in manifeted(lower kosha forms), truth- what never changes, real- everything exists, be it param sat or temporary (a form of sat)
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The cause for my birth was my parents having sex. Not karma.
You writing this comment was because you were born ..But then the cause of your birth was your parents having sex ... So you writing this comment is because your parents had sex ... See, just proved your statement, that there is no karma ... Only your parents having sex ...
Pronaams!🙏
Here is my understanding thus far as i shared it with someone I would like to share it with your audience as well:
@Hitogokochi of course I like yourself do not know. Dude, I think about suicide quite a bit honestly so Im no "enlightened being" parse. But lets entertain this for a moment. Do away with all fixed beliefs in other words empty all the programmed ideas you have about matter and yourself. These are mental structures perhaps hardwired by evolution or emergence theory. As Bohm would say the implicit becomes explicit. In zen they say small mind and big mind. So i agree that "consciousness" is a physical process of brain/energy but thats whats on the surface or perhaps seems that way. What Zeki was aluding to perhaps is there is no specific location in my body where I am. True. Also billions of cells in my body have a life of their own too. So what is left? I amness. Sounds dogmaticly spooky but thats what i think you refer to as consciousness. The unwavering sense of the wholeness of the one, the self that aparently is non local. So if you look at it that way, then things just seem convincingly real. We wouldnt watch movies or go to a theater show. There is a term I learned in college when i took an elective theater class and that is, when you go to a theater show you have to "suspend your disbelief" and you do, otherwise why bother going? And it works without you even trying hard. Or when you watch a sad movie, like The Champ, or ET, you cry even though you know its not real. But feelings are there. So i think that car accidents, cancer, death of a close one are the same thing, pain is a feeling too. So self inquiry as in who is feeling all this may lead us to the source.
hey, do not ever thing about suicide... we all love you... and what I felt about you, you need to let go of many things, and instead you are trying to put in texts from zen, vedanta and what not... don't make a dangerous cocktail for yourself... everything is just too simple... just start sitting in silence WITHOUT THOUGHTs and you will get CALMER and CLEARER...
remember 'yogah chitta vritti nirodha'... the real meditation is cessation of thoughts in waking state... let me give little explanation...
1) there is earth: therefore you have a body which comes out of earth, feed off earth and goes back to earth, and sticks to earth via gravity etc. and you can touch, see, smell it etc
2) there is water: therefore you have viscous blood and other body elements, which lubricates you so that you can move and do stuff (taste is mroe toward water, yout tongue detects subtle chemical nature of viscour form (food has to melt a bit to give taste)
3) there is air: therefore you breathe, and its like ELECTRICITY in side you called prana (leaving it here, can explain in details)... so you have nose and air systems within body.
4) there is sound, so you have ears, there is light so you have eyes and so on...
now the question....
1) there is WHAT that you have thoughts?
2) there is WHAT which sees when eyes are closed, during sleep, keeps body going during sleep and awake etc???
the answer is your CORE - true self... whatever you want to call...
now... whatever PAIN you have, if you LOSE YOUR MEMORY... wont the pain disappear? maybe some uneasiness remain... now external hammers might end up doing more damage, but there is an internal healer... trust me, you had more pain in last incarnation than this one... so let this internal healer heal you..
how does this internal healer works?... it corrects your thoughts and memories and priorities and perspectives for you... how??? just learn to stop your thoughts... the true meditation... the final TODO for all humans... and the thoughts will heal, which will heal the body and everything... thats the best you can do... do it for the sake of millions of cells in your body, if nothing else
my best wishes
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Kot kot dandwat pranaam Swamiji 🙏🙇♂️🙇♂️🙏
very well explained
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