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In many cars today the caster and camber are set by the subframe the wheels are mounted to. Leaving "Toe" whether the tires are left, right, or center generally being the only adjustment using the tie rods to adjust.Theoretically doing your own wheel alignbment should be possible.
Doing your own alignment is always possible. To your point, most modern sports cars have aftermarket kits you can add to adjust Caster and Camber, making a do-it-yourself alignment kit that is much more worth it. Thanks!
I was perusing YT videos with the idea of making something like this to make aligning my rig simpler, and I stumbled across this video. I like the design of this system, thanks for sharing it here.
I'll never forget 20 years ago reading on a corvette forum about a stealership dropping a guy's new vette off the lift and screwing him around not wanting to give him a replacement!
Curious if this will help set thrust angle. Already have the gen 4 kit. Recently replaced my rear axle in my 86 camaro and wanted to make sure its actually straight. Everything is adjustable on the car (EVERYTHING)
Ha! Totally... same M3 i had, took it to the dealership for a CAT recall... opened the trunk when I got it back, the 150 lb Sub in the trunk slid all the way to one side cracking a side panel... that's how hard one of their service techs drove it. I was beyond pissed! I have a ton of stories like that... anyway, thanks for the comment!
@FastMonty Did I miss something? You laid a string front to back, then measured the difference between front and back of one tire. I see how that works for the *back* tire. BUT: for the front tire shouldn't there be some kind of process for ensuring the steering is "straight", whatever that means in this case?
Good question... I don't recall if I mentioned it, or not, but you need to make sure your steering wheel is straight, OR, for our older cars, make sure the Pitman Arm from the steering box is straight, then lock it in place with the steering wheel lock. Thanks!
Isn't the ruler bar longer than diameter of the wheel rim. Doesn't that affect the distance and measurements? 2 mm from the wheel rim will read higher on the ruler
1000$ for the tools to do it in your garage or 100$ to have a professional do it. Im all for taking things into your own hands but id rather use the 900$ on other parts.
That's the maxed out kit... and, it's for serious DIY guys/gals, especially if you're using it at the track. Point is, it works, and you don't have to rely on a minimum wage "expert". Thanks!
Great point about pre-existing conditions. I didn't point out, after you do this procedure once. Do it a second time to re-verify. Most of the time, the tiny amount of initial toe does not affect the offset from front to rear. I do appreciate your attention to detail... thanks. And, depends how you define expensive. The basic kit works just as well with some added work arounds. I have not seen any other DIY alignment kits that can do Caster, Camber, and Toe. Thanks again for the comment!
Hmmm 🤔 take a measurement on your rear tires, center to center. (from the back) of car. Match that measurement to your front tires, center to center. (from the back 👈🏼 not front) of your front tire’s. Then cut two 2x4’s for the (back and front) center to center, then take two 10 footers and lay them inside the tire’s flush against front and back inside tires along with with your center marked 2x4’s Then square off. (Bullseye 🎯 every time) I’m pretty sure you’re steering rack is off, plus your roll is off center, key factors on a really precise smooth don’t feel a bump, balanced car. 😎 After all, that’s what a true alignment is about not which way your tires are pointed.
Good question. I detailed it in the video... with bars mounted on all four wheels, you take the side to side measurement, divide by 2, and that's the offset to use on the front. Thanks for the comment!
After watching this video somethings struck me, so I went back and watched your GEN four alignment videos. First, I hate to say I saw the bungee cords in your GEN four on boxing. after your stringing video, you ended up with one16th toe in which is where you wanted it. When using the GEN five kit you came up with one16th toe out. I guess I’m wondering which do you deem more accurate?
Good stuff Jeffrey! Too funny about the Bungies... you're totally right, I missed those completely! lol Anyway, I mentioned I wanted to "check my math", at the end of the video, where I did a better job measuring the track width's... I was dead straight on the Right Wheel, and perfectly toed in on the Left. So, I only had a minor trim to do on the right. That said, I've driven the car, a lot, since the original stringing video, so it could've been out a little from pot holes, abuse, etc.? I'd say the new method is pretty accurate. Setting up the old fashioned string method is a royal pain with my offset hubs, so I'm loving this new method. Thanks for checking my work! ha, ha...
That’s what got me after watching this. I was like, you’re toe out, you have been driving this. But maybe that’s why. It may have just settled in. As always another fantastic video, I have enjoyed them all. Thank you for what you do, you have taught me so much. Keep them coming. It’s winter here.
Thanks! No, I wish! Maybe one day if I convert to Tall Spindles, I'll cover that. But, that's a long way away. I do love my set up though... Thanks for the comment!
That's better than $$$, right? Ha! this is the best Home DIY kit I know of, especially useful for those of us doing alignments once or more a year. Thanks!
"IN SECONDS" *spends 2 hours bungee cording aluminum bars with rulers screwed on them to his wheels* . It's $49.99 to get it professionally done with lasers........ PEW PEW PEW
@@sjd7188 that's what I pay for a toe alignment. That's all he's doing here so same same. If you want a real, accurate alignment (caster, camber, toe) its $79. 4 corner balance and ackerman is $130.
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In many cars today the caster and camber are set by the subframe the wheels are mounted to. Leaving "Toe" whether the tires are left, right, or center generally being the only adjustment using the tie rods to adjust.Theoretically doing your own wheel alignbment should be possible.
Doing your own alignment is always possible. To your point, most modern sports cars have aftermarket kits you can add to adjust Caster and Camber, making a do-it-yourself alignment kit that is much more worth it. Thanks!
I was perusing YT videos with the idea of making something like this to make aligning my rig simpler, and I stumbled across this video. I like the design of this system, thanks for sharing it here.
Glad it helped! You're gonna love doing your own free alignments... ha, ha... let me know if you have any questions. Have fun!
I feel you, I have serious trust issues myself. Don't want anyone touching my car.
Ha! Thanks for the back up on that.
I'll never forget 20 years ago reading on a corvette forum about a stealership dropping a guy's new vette off the lift and screwing him around not wanting to give him a replacement!
Curious if this will help set thrust angle. Already have the gen 4 kit. Recently replaced my rear axle in my 86 camaro and wanted to make sure its actually straight. Everything is adjustable on the car (EVERYTHING)
Short answer, yes. I'm impressed you can adjust your rear axle... not many of us can. :) Hope that helps!
@@FastMonty i'll reach out to them for the update kit and instructions
@@rcravincase Awesome. My discount code still applies... QTMonty Have fun!
totally agree wit you man. i don't like people touching my car to.
Ha! Totally... same M3 i had, took it to the dealership for a CAT recall... opened the trunk when I got it back, the 150 lb Sub in the trunk slid all the way to one side cracking a side panel... that's how hard one of their service techs drove it. I was beyond pissed! I have a ton of stories like that... anyway, thanks for the comment!
$724.95 - $836.95 Jack stands and a string are a LOT cheaper! But thanks for sharing anyways.
That's for the complete Caster/Camber/Quickstring kit. They have lower cost kits... Jackstands and a string do work, just harder to set up. Thanks.
@FastMonty Did I miss something? You laid a string front to back, then measured the difference between front and back of one tire.
I see how that works for the *back* tire.
BUT: for the front tire shouldn't there be some kind of process for ensuring the steering is "straight", whatever that means in this case?
Good question... I don't recall if I mentioned it, or not, but you need to make sure your steering wheel is straight, OR, for our older cars, make sure the Pitman Arm from the steering box is straight, then lock it in place with the steering wheel lock. Thanks!
Isn't the ruler bar longer than diameter of the wheel rim. Doesn't that affect the distance and measurements? 2 mm from the wheel rim will read higher on the ruler
That could be argued, I brought that up too... if you're worried you can figure out the trig, and reduce the measurem by about 15% :)
1000$ for the tools to do it in your garage or 100$ to have a professional do it. Im all for taking things into your own hands but id rather use the 900$ on other parts.
That's the maxed out kit... and, it's for serious DIY guys/gals, especially if you're using it at the track. Point is, it works, and you don't have to rely on a minimum wage "expert". Thanks!
When you measured offset you did not take into account the existing toe, Nice video anyway. That kit is expensive.
Great point about pre-existing conditions. I didn't point out, after you do this procedure once. Do it a second time to re-verify. Most of the time, the tiny amount of initial toe does not affect the offset from front to rear. I do appreciate your attention to detail... thanks. And, depends how you define expensive. The basic kit works just as well with some added work arounds. I have not seen any other DIY alignment kits that can do Caster, Camber, and Toe. Thanks again for the comment!
Hmmm 🤔 take a measurement on your rear tires, center to center. (from the back) of car.
Match that measurement to your front tires, center to center.
(from the back 👈🏼 not front) of your front tire’s.
Then cut two 2x4’s for the (back and front) center to center, then take two 10 footers and lay them inside the tire’s flush against front and back inside tires along with with your center marked 2x4’s Then square off. (Bullseye 🎯 every time)
I’m pretty sure you’re steering rack is off, plus your roll is off center, key factors on a really precise smooth don’t feel a bump, balanced car. 😎
After all, that’s what a true alignment is about not which way your tires are pointed.
More than one way to skin a cat. Your method would work great for a perfectly "squared" vehicle. Mine is not. Thanks for sharing!
This work is much more accurate than the laser ,device. Thank you for your good idea
Welcome! Thanks for the comment!
how does this makes sence if the rear and front axe distance to the mid of the car ar not the same? they are not paralel....
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Good question. I detailed it in the video... with bars mounted on all four wheels, you take the side to side measurement, divide by 2, and that's the offset to use on the front. Thanks for the comment!
1988 C4 Corvette, C4 Corvette, Parts power steering
Awesome! Thanks for dropping a comment!
Can you use this with staggered wheels?
Yup, mine are staggered... I detail how to do it in the video.
After watching this video somethings struck me, so I went back and watched your GEN four alignment videos. First, I hate to say I saw the bungee cords in your GEN four on boxing. after your stringing video, you ended up with one16th toe in which is where you wanted it. When using the GEN five kit you came up with one16th toe out. I guess I’m wondering which do you deem more accurate?
Good stuff Jeffrey! Too funny about the Bungies... you're totally right, I missed those completely! lol Anyway, I mentioned I wanted to "check my math", at the end of the video, where I did a better job measuring the track width's... I was dead straight on the Right Wheel, and perfectly toed in on the Left. So, I only had a minor trim to do on the right. That said, I've driven the car, a lot, since the original stringing video, so it could've been out a little from pot holes, abuse, etc.? I'd say the new method is pretty accurate. Setting up the old fashioned string method is a royal pain with my offset hubs, so I'm loving this new method. Thanks for checking my work! ha, ha...
That’s what got me after watching this. I was like, you’re toe out, you have been driving this. But maybe that’s why.
It may have just settled in.
As always another fantastic video, I have enjoyed them all. Thank you for what you do, you have taught me so much. Keep them coming. It’s winter here.
@@jeffreyurbain9604 Thanks Jeffrey! Yeah, It seems to be winter everywhere... ha, ha... see ya!
That is a nice addition to this tool. Now if only I could understand all that measuring and calculating... 🙂
Thanks Brother! Yeah, it's a very brilliant and simple addition to the Gen 4 product. Did I go too fast with the math? ha, ha... thanks again!
Great for toe-in, but suspension bushings wear, so you need camber, and in some cases caster...
Yup! Exactly why this tool measures all three. Thanks!
Another great video Mike! Did you make a video when you built the front end? Control arms, coil overs etc.
Thanks! No, I wish! Maybe one day if I convert to Tall Spindles, I'll cover that. But, that's a long way away. I do love my set up though... Thanks for the comment!
Yeah, so easy when you have All the gadgets and the $.
Agreed. But, you can start with their smaller one wheel kits, and build it up over time. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
Costs $$
That's better than $$$, right? Ha! this is the best Home DIY kit I know of, especially useful for those of us doing alignments once or more a year. Thanks!
Nicely done dude!!
Thanks Michael!
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"IN SECONDS" *spends 2 hours bungee cording aluminum bars with rulers screwed on them to his wheels* . It's $49.99 to get it professionally done with lasers........ PEW PEW PEW
Ha! Love the Star Wars laser sounds... the moral of the story is NOBODY touches my cars. ha, ha... This tool works great. Thanks!
Guess you haven’t gotten an alignment lately ,hasnt been 49.99 for years
@@sjd7188 Ha! Good point there.
He clearly states that he much rather do it himself. Like most of us gearheads, we don't want anyone working on our cars if it can be helped.
@@sjd7188 that's what I pay for a toe alignment. That's all he's doing here so same same. If you want a real, accurate alignment (caster, camber, toe) its $79. 4 corner balance and ackerman is $130.