Great advice! I've been in the manufacturing space for the past 3 years now and have just started my journey to getting my education in automation. The one thing I would comment about is in OH, WV, and PA the wages are vastly higher than $18-$22 an hour. Most Automation Technicians jobs I've seen near me are started as low as $28-$32. Now cost of living can be completely different but this field is in dire need of willing people who want to progress themselves! I wish everyone the best and hope to see some yall out there in the field!
Very useful video, this is the kind of advice engineering graduates should be getting. I've seen guys who are tradesman (artisan) outperform guys with Engineering degrees in design and basically all aspects of the field. I feel they should be some tweaking of college degrees to better align them with needs for the working world (industry)
Senior design projects especially for engineers really forces you to apply what you have learned from school. I programed a PLC to collect data about how much feed each sheep eats for my sr.d project. The experience I gained from that is extremely useful for my job as an automation engineer. That project was transformative for me and was a huge reason why I got hired as an automation engineer right out of college.A degree is definitely a must in todays labor market to become an engineer. It's not so much the degree but the way of thinking that's important. If your able to demonstrate that you can apply your knowledge and solve real world problems you should have absolutely no issues finding a job.
I agree the degree is super useful and some colleges do a great job at giving you projects like that to study. From what I have seen most don't though.
Huge advices here man. Im glad to have watched this video before graduating (im at third year of EE right now). We are suposed to pass exams. Thats the mentality. (if you learn something, cool. But its not the current study model priority) I hate to say this but i dont think i would be able to put my knowledge into something practical at the moment (because we truely have no idea about real industry work). Fortunately I´ve got so much motivation. Thats why I keep looking for videos like this one in order to know what should I learn to become a good engineer. It really scares me when I think i might not be useful in my job. With that said, thanks for the video :)
As a Millwright without a college degree, I’m self taught on Auto Cad and Automation. I’m making over 100k per year. So your advice is spot on. Our young college grads with Engineering degrees seem to be clueless at my company. Is this the new normal? They must have been taking those Baking classes. 🤦🏻♂️
You are a perfect example!!!! Thank you for sharing!!! I think this is the new norm until someone disrupts the industry like Elite Automation “Cough Cough” . We anticipate running a school. And not just a college accredited school but an actual college. That flows over into the actual company. And then even find ways to be part of the high schools middle schools and elementary schools. Even if that means Starting our own.
Hello Millwright I'm trying to get on the same route as you however I do have a degree in eletronics computer technology and I've been working as a automation technician for about 5 years. I want to make more money without the need to go back to school and pay for a engineer degree what would you say is the best route to take?
Thank you so much for your valuable time for making this very informative video as this will definitely give an eye opening for university undergraduates how to prepare them for the challenges they will have to face when they come out and face the real world .
Thank you very much. This is absolutely the goal. There is not much information around this subject and especially in video form. I think it's a MUST that people get a glimpse into what there future will be or could be.
I've been in controls now for close to 15 yrs. Started in DDC for HVAC and then moved to data center controls where they use PLCs. What he said is spot on. I got my A.S degree first in Electronics Engineering then to electrical. I would add that it's good also to get a degree in what you'll be controlling as well. I knew I'd be dealing more with distribution centers and power monitoring in data centers so I went electrical engineering to get a deeper understanding. Know guys that went mechanical and stuck with HVAC. We're also neck deep in networking so IT degrees are good as well. But overall experience is what gets you the jobs.
thank you for the support and also for sharing your journey in the automation world. your insights and valuable experience are truly a great help for people who are pursuing careers in the automation and manufacturing space. more power to you sir!
We have been teached the technology that was useful 40-50 yrs ago, the same method of getting job what used to be in those days. We are not bridging the gap between industries and syllabus, talking specifically about india
Quite a few of my nephews are at the age now where they now have to start thinking about what do to for college and university. I tell them much the same thing you do here, that they should make sure they can use a computer and the programs that are relevant to the jobs they want to persue. Being good with Excel, Word, sharepoints, data logging, thats a solid basis. if you can then do Inventor, Solidworks, Python, or even more, damn, you will be unstoppable. Another reason, and here I am going to get a bit more philosophical. The world that these young people are going to retire in, is not going to be the same as the one our parents are retiring in right now, to the point that it is going to be so different that they will be two completely seperate worlds. If you can interact with a computer, software and perform tasks with every low intensite on your body, your ability to work well into your 60's and 70's without high risk on your body will give you so much quality of life it is almost unfathomable.
This is 100% on of the best career paths ever. I would highly suggest they get into this world. I agree the world will be different. That's why I say freeing humans 1 robot at a time.
Useful information to have. Definitely keep in mind the math part, that same also applies to the science courses. In my community college there were 4 physics classes. The difference was that two were algebra based and the other two were calc based. Guess which one is needed for a BS in Engineering. I often joke that I make more money from the thing I learned in tech school then college. I went to a tech school that had a program for industrial controls. We learned panel design and building, electrical devices, motor control, hydraulics & pneumatics, PLC programing, and HMI programming. Today almost everyone in that class would of had a job, but it was the late 90s so the industrial automation job market was tough. I ended up getting a BS in Chemistry and even worked in R&D. That was a lot of fun but really had limited upside. So I retrained myself in automation and worked for several integrators. It was great experience but I disliked the salary with long hours without adequate compensation for it. I now work in a corporate setting and I love it much more. Despite the reasons for my leaving the integrators, its the best way to really learn automation. You have to grind through a project and all the different parts. You learn what to do and what not to do. I would recommend that path for someone coming out of college. If you want to have a family or settle down later, get a job in a corporate setting. Having the integrator experience will give you a leg up when starting.
Thank you for sharing your story. Are you still on the automation side of things? Integration is definitely the way to gain the experience but like you said it can be hard to work for. The main issue I see is that integration companies need to be fairly large in order to have an easier working life for the employees. It's hard because they can't afford to hire someone else so they stretch who they have to thin. And now the big integrators struggle to find employees. Automation is one of the best career fields to get into. Especially now. If we were to go into a recession jobs still need to get done.
@@EliteAutomation Yes I’m still in automation. I work in the pharma business so I spend more time dealing with compliance rather then writing code or designing HMI applications. But I still have to read PLC code/HMI applications and develop solutions. I’m regularly contacted by recruiters, so I imagine it must be tough to get find people now. I can’t relocate anyway, my wife works for NY State so we r here for the time being. I’m using my free time now to get either a BS in engineering or an MS in Pharma Mfg. Not sure yet. I realize I probably don’t need it, but I’d rather have it when I’m in my 50-60-70s then not. I watched my dad do this stuff wo an engineering degree. He had to take work that involved a lot of travel. It was tough on his body but he managed.
This is where four-year Applied Engineering (Engineering Technology) degrees come into play. 95% of my students are automation or controls engineers in industry, and you do not have to worry about transferring. It sounds like you are in Evansville, IN, so we offer a four-year Electromechanical Engineering Technology degree at Murray State University. I made a video a couple of years back to basically explain this same thing. th-cam.com/video/5zDcHJn4oj0/w-d-xo.html
I tried to go back to school in my 30's and that classroom style learning just didn't do it for me. I put myself in a position to learn the industry from people who are already in it. As soon as I felt I wasn't learning anymore, I moved on to the next company that offered the learning environment I was looking for. The speed at which you can learn is amazing if you're willing to put yourself in those seek or swim situations. My point is that an apprenticeship can be much more valuable than a degree.
I do agree! On the job training is hands down much better. Out of school I really believe you are gaining a paper that opens some doors and some very entry level knowledge. I've excelled so fast in my career because I work full-time with a system integrator and went to school which did have a multiplier effect. I was equipped to ask much better questions at school and through that learn more to take back to work the next day.
Mechatronics degree but work as a mechanical technician. Robotics, DeltaV, SCADA, devicenet, and fieldbus are some some stuff I still do that involved my degree. Which I did not get to learn while in school, OJT and learning in the field is the way to go.
Sir can you recommend which degree should I take?, the syllabus is similar with slight differences across the degrees,so im getting a technical degree which is: 1 ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY IN INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATION AND ROBOTICS 2 MECHATRONICS ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY IN ROBOTICS 3 MANUFACTURING ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY IN INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATION So which should i go if i want to be a controls engineer? and can you recommend me which is more safer to go to get into the automation industry?
The one that has the most programming classes would be best for a controls engineer. Also you might be able to get two degrees if you use electives of one degree towards the other. This is what I did and only had 2 half semesters extra to do of schooling.
They are all fairly equivalent and can't really go wrong with any. The classes with in them will make the biggest difference. They are different at every school.
I thought that I am the only one that have this problem . The university degree is not enough to have the skills required to have a job i agree with you 100% there is a gab between what university teaches and what the market needs that needs some technical training Now i am studying a program to gain those technical skills like control panel design plc scada HMI things i didn't learn during my electrical engineering bachelor degree.
Man i want to get into automation so bad but idk where to start learning im already a licensed journeyman electrican and work in the oil field and everything is going automated
Well you are off to a good start with being an electrician. If you're working in the oil field I assume you have a good understanding of controls circuits.? If so then that should translate to automation easily. Just different devices. That could be an entry point and go into the position seeking some other skill set you would like to learn.
I work as AT at Tysonfoods for a 1,5 year and make 40 $ per hour only from DIPLOMA i(Industrial Automation Technician),in TN soo it is also cheap state to live in too.
I've had to opportunity to speak to Malachi over the phone about this video and the career path I would like to take, coming from aerospace into automation and he was extremely friendly, understanding and helpful answering my questions. Again Malachi, thank you for the help, I hope to be able to post an update about my progress soon. God bless!
Very interesting content. I like hearing about what employers actually want. I’m in school at ECPI and I’m debating between mechanical engineering technology or electrical engineering technology with a specialty in machtronics. I’m really interested in robotics and manufacturing automation, especially because of all the ensuring that may happen over the next decade. But I live in San Jose California and the salary of a PLC programmer or a technician isn’t gonna cut it out here. Do you have any idea what type of route I can take that will eventually lead me to the big bucks such as $150k+? I’m already making 95k as an engineering project coordinator but want to get this degree and make a career jump. Any suggestions as to what I should focus on to get there?
Mechanical engineering is probably the most useful. A lot of things are going to protocols where wiring/electrical engineering work loads are less. A full system generally only takes us 1 week to do the electrical engineering. Where mechanical may have months on engineering on the same project.
Hey, i'm from Malaysia and i did Diploma in Mechatronic engineering. Diploma sits one step below Degree. I've learned only the basics. It's been two years since i graduated and i'm afraid that i already forgot what I've learned. Can you please tell me what specific knowledge, software or skillsets i should know to become an automation engineer ? I'm leaning more towards manufacturing automation because i heard people saying it's less stressful. I did internship in precision engineering because it was the only company near my home. They just asked me to operate cnc milling & turning. No setups or programming. No conventional/manual. Just did my internship as a normal company operator. I don't have the money to pursue for a degree and i'm already 24 right now.
It really depends on what you are looking to get into. Mech engineering, programming, etc. maybe I’ll do a video on the softwares that are most popular. Allen Bradley is number 1 in the US for PLC programming, mechanical engineering is SOLIDWORKS and inventor. Another thing that will help is calling companies you may want to work for and ask them what software they use.
Hey! What's up? I've created a video for the best way to educate yourself to become an automation engineer. Check this out: th-cam.com/video/eH4d2XjGh5k/w-d-xo.html
Question: mechanical engineering graduate here (class 2021) Work experience: -worked a little over 1 year in the petroleum industry (field engineer) - worked in the civil engineering field as a project engineer till present day While I have had 2 good paying jobs I’ve recently realized & feel like I’m not utilizing my “mechanical engineering” degree. So I’m currently wanting to get into the electrical/automation industry Do you have an advice for someone that’s just starting out to try and get into the industry? I’m currently living in Texas and so I’ve applied for my Texas electrical apprenticeship license to to try and get into an entry level electrician apprentice job Idc about the pay cut I’ll more than likely take. I just want to start from square one and learn everything I can about electrical systems & climb my way up the latter from there. Do you have any other tips, programs I should look into?
Hi, your background in engineering, especially with a focus on mechanical engineering, is a valuable asset for a career in electrical/automation. Many of the skills you've developed, such as problem-solving, technical analysis, and project management, are directly transferable to this field. Here are some tips to help you transition: 1. Leverage Your Existing Skills: Highlight your engineering background: Emphasize how your mechanical engineering skills can contribute to understanding electrical systems and automation processes. Showcase your project management experience: Demonstrate your ability to manage complex projects and coordinate teams. 2. Gain Electrical Experience: Complete an electrical apprenticeship: Your plan to pursue an electrical apprenticeship is a great way to gain hands-on experience and learn the fundamentals of electrical systems. Consider online courses or certifications: Explore online platforms like Coursera, Udemy, or LinkedIn Learning for electrical engineering courses or certifications. 3. Network and Build Relationships: Attend industry events: Connect with professionals in the electrical/automation field at conferences, workshops, and networking events. Leverage LinkedIn: Build a strong online presence and connect with industry experts. Reach out to companies: Research companies in your area and directly inquire about entry-level positions or internships. 4. Focus on Specific Areas of Interest: Identify your passion: Determine if you're more interested in electrical design, control systems, automation, or a specific industry like manufacturing or energy. Tailor your resume and cover letter: Highlight your skills and experience relevant to your chosen area. 5. Consider Certifications: Obtain industry-recognized certifications: Certifications like Certified Automation Professional (CAP) or Certified Industrial Maintenance Mechanic (CIM) can demonstrate your expertise and increase your job prospects. Remember, persistence and a willingness to learn are key to a successful career transition. Keep networking, gaining experience, and pursuing opportunities in the electrical/automation field.
Agreed in the beginning, but I guess you lumped DCS in with PLC, Malachi. I bring this up because most chemical engineers work on DCS/PLC in manufacturing facilities and a course on process control, not theoretical, but practical is very helpful for performing this job. Most of my training was OJT in a lean and mean company but I also recommend working for small and large companies and spreading yourself (volunteering) over many different jobs. It's also beneficial to work many different processes and parts of a project from FEED to Detailed Design to Start-up and beyond. As for the rate of pay you discussed, I don't think that's realistic. People are not going to continue in this industry if they're only making $25 an hour. Learn about the different documents used on these jobs (see my ISA book) as well as het familiar with what ISA, AICHE, IEEE and other groups offer, including meetings. Also learn several systems, e.g., Honeywell, Foxboro, ABB, DeltaV...
Yes. I did lump them together. I've personally not had a lot of exposure to DCS and mainly with PLC, Robotics and Automation in manufacturing settings.
There is a huge gap and I really dont know what can be done to close this gap. I believe that engineers and scientists cannot be taught the same way. There really needs to be more applications for the engineers.
My long term goal is to start a school at Elite Automation. At first it'll probably be informal but I plan to either, get imbedded with colleges, buy a college, or just start an all new school. If Elite Becomes big enough they will have the clout that people would accept our certs.
Did my associates in electromechanical technology and currently pursuing my B.S. in the same major. Hoping to get my masters in Automation and Robotics engineering
I started a technician in 2005 to be a CNC machinist. I quit because I got a scholarship to start MechEng uni. I should've insisted and get the technician degree first, engineering paperwork sucks. Not practical. I'm a bit frustrated.
What you do for a living is what I thought I would be doing for a living. I graduated in Industrial Technology with a concentration in automated systems. I could not find a job in that market, in my area, when I graduated.
@@EliteAutomation Sorry for my delay. I am not an avid youtuber. I work in a plating shop. We electro and elelectroless coat valves and machinery with nickel and copper. Since it is a job shop, the work and job requirements change constantly. It is the reason I have stayed so long. I love the field.
@@EliteAutomation Just starting out on html/css and hoping to start a degree in either Electrical Engineering or Computer Science. Don't know which I'll get.
There's great value in this video, thank you! I'm learning automation skillsets on my own and I'm trying to figure out : besides Autocad and Solidworks, can you name me the software and hardware skills needed in an automation engineer position?
It depends if you are planning to go on the mechanical side of things or not. Definitely learning PLC, HMI, robot, servo topics will help a lot. Even just understanding what they are and do.
Heres the flip side with a question at the end: Im a Machinist (mostly manual) in my late 30's whos been doing this for close to 17 years. Ive both impressed and embarrassed some Mechanical Engineers in my journey. Ive messed with programming and PLC work enough to understand basic concepts, but im now at a dead end job in Machining. My pay is damn near tapped out and i havent even pushed my brain. This is hardly a challenge. But now with having my own family, going back to school for even robotics/automation looks daunting. Do i have a shot?
I think it’s definitely possible. Especially if you can find an automation shop that does their own machining. Hire in with the expectation that you will do machining for x hours a week while they teach you more on the robot programming side of things. I would definitely hire someone willing to make that trade off.
Hey man I’m currently enrolled in a Technical College from the TCSG I was wondering. Do you think Automation Engineering Technology would be better for this field to advanced in the field or do you think Industrial Systems Technology would be more applicable? Thanks I’m advance
By the way both are Associate degrees. The AET3 degree is 72 credit hours and the industrial systems technology degree is 63 credit hours. They also have a dual degree option where if you’re majoring in AET3 you can graduate with Both A.A.S degrees including a 3rd 2 year diploma called electrical control systems. The dual degree is only a 6 class add on and it would take the same amount of time to complete due to the course schedule. I’m currently enrolled in the dual degree but I have until Fall Semester to decide what I wanna due. I’ll have all my core classes done by then. I’m currently working full time at berry global as a operator. I was wondering what do you think of my current situation any advice? Would the dual degree be worth it or would I be fine with the automation engineering tech associates degree? Thanks I’m advance really been overthinking this I don’t wanna have a work overload I have my first babygirl on the way and if I can cut those classes and still be successful in the industry I think that’s what I may do.
That path is going to give you the best looking resume and you will gain more higher level technical skills. I highly suggest that you accomplish the other degrees of they fall under that one. It's almost the exact same degree path I have.
Learn to code PLCs or Robots and apply for those type of jobs. Or mechanical engineering. Find a type of work in the automation space. A systems integrator such as our selves is the the best type of company to work for.
@@EliteAutomation thanks for response I am totally new to this field plz tell me about to startup from absolutely beginner level to professional level I meant a list of course which is necessary to learn and earn .
It is crazy that BS Engineering just does not prepare someone to be a controls engineer. Even in the metro Detroit area where we literally have a section of Oakland County called Automation Alley with a ton of OEM, robotics, and automation integrators. I've looked at curriculums for my son who will be 12 in November and who I'm already teaching PLC programming, and pneumatic control. We are building machines in the basement and even have a used Fanuc LR mate that we have integrated with our PLC. UofM Flint has BS in Engineering Tech that prepare someone quite well, and at least 3 community colleges seem to have excellent mechatronics and EE tech associates degrees which actually have PLC programming courses, but it blows my mind that maybe all but one (Kettering) seem to have BS Engineering courses that prepare someone for Industrial Automation (which there is a TON of in SE Michigan). Just weird.
Hey those are very useful points you made in the video, thank you! Most of the time, graduates from the mechanical engineering institutes are in a dilemma for which career path to pursue, thank you for talking on that. It's a must to get acquainted to some software after graduating, to up your skillset, whether it is a design software or the programming languages depending on your interest and the career path that you want to pursue. It will definitely be worth it.
Extremely well put Malachi. How do you recommend approaching employers who only want to hire engineers for industrial automation roles? I have a technology degree and have been denied interviews based on this.
It's definitely something I'm passionate about. I didn't know where to start. That's also why we started the manufacturing come up podcast. It's also on our TH-cam and all Podcast platforms
SPOT ON! My place has 2200 employes so many "degreed" engineers and here I am not degreed but with technical school and can way more then this kids and easily clearing 6 digits. Industrial automation is still a niche that most people don't understand. This is exactly my way of thinking "can you get it done or not"? Else move your in my way. I really liked this video just made even more appreciative.
This is the right orientation session that every seeker in this industry should take 👍🏻
Thank you very much!!!
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
Great advice! I've been in the manufacturing space for the past 3 years now and have just started my journey to getting my education in automation. The one thing I would comment about is in OH, WV, and PA the wages are vastly higher than $18-$22 an hour. Most Automation Technicians jobs I've seen near me are started as low as $28-$32. Now cost of living can be completely different but this field is in dire need of willing people who want to progress themselves! I wish everyone the best and hope to see some yall out there in the field!
I agree with your statement. I see the 28-32 start rate as well. It is a field of high demand now and into the future.
Very useful video, this is the kind of advice engineering graduates should be getting.
I've seen guys who are tradesman (artisan) outperform guys with Engineering degrees in design and basically all aspects of the field. I feel they should be some tweaking of college degrees to better align them with needs for the working world (industry)
I couldn't agree more!!!!
Thank you for the kind words as well
Man that was a route with properly layed milestones, good video and things u said i completely agree with u.
All the best for u.
Senior design projects especially for engineers really forces you to apply what you have learned from school. I programed a PLC to collect data about how much feed each sheep eats for my sr.d project. The experience I gained from that is extremely useful for my job as an automation engineer. That project was transformative for me and was a huge reason why I got hired as an automation engineer right out of college.A degree is definitely a must in todays labor market to become an engineer. It's not so much the degree but the way of thinking that's important. If your able to demonstrate that you can apply your knowledge and solve real world problems you should have absolutely no issues finding a job.
I agree the degree is super useful and some colleges do a great job at giving you projects like that to study. From what I have seen most don't though.
Huge advices here man. Im glad to have watched this video before graduating (im at third year of EE right now).
We are suposed to pass exams. Thats the mentality. (if you learn something, cool. But its not the current study model priority)
I hate to say this but i dont think i would be able to put my knowledge into something practical at the moment (because we truely have no idea about real industry work).
Fortunately I´ve got so much motivation. Thats why I keep looking for videos like this one in order to know what should I learn to become a good engineer.
It really scares me when I think i might not be useful in my job.
With that said, thanks for the video :)
Well keep in mind everyone coming out of school is at the same skill level basically. I would definitely advise picking a software and learning it.
Thank you very much as well
As a Millwright without a college degree, I’m self taught on Auto Cad and Automation. I’m making over 100k per year. So your advice is spot on. Our young college grads with Engineering degrees seem to be clueless at my company. Is this the new normal? They must have been taking those Baking classes. 🤦🏻♂️
You are a perfect example!!!! Thank you for sharing!!! I think this is the new norm until someone disrupts the industry like Elite Automation “Cough Cough” . We anticipate running a school. And not just a college accredited school but an actual college. That flows over into the actual company. And then even find ways to be part of the high schools middle schools and elementary schools. Even if that means Starting our own.
Hello Millwright I'm trying to get on the same route as you however I do have a degree in eletronics computer technology and I've been working as a automation technician for about 5 years. I want to make more money without the need to go back to school and pay for a engineer degree what would you say is the best route to take?
@@DeejaySteel91 The best thing is to find someone to hire you within the industry. Have you ever applied to work with Elite Automation?
@@EliteAutomation No I have never worked with Elite Automation, I work in the industry right now. I work in a manufacturing industry.
@@DeejaySteel91 You should apply at EiteAutomationUSA.com/careers
Where are you located
Thank you so much for your valuable time for making this very informative video as this will definitely give an eye opening for university undergraduates how to prepare them for the challenges they will have to face when they come out and face the real world .
Thank you very much. This is absolutely the goal. There is not much information around this subject and especially in video form. I think it's a MUST that people get a glimpse into what there future will be or could be.
I've been in controls now for close to 15 yrs. Started in DDC for HVAC and then moved to data center controls where they use PLCs. What he said is spot on. I got my A.S degree first in Electronics Engineering then to electrical. I would add that it's good also to get a degree in what you'll be controlling as well. I knew I'd be dealing more with distribution centers and power monitoring in data centers so I went electrical engineering to get a deeper understanding. Know guys that went mechanical and stuck with HVAC. We're also neck deep in networking so IT degrees are good as well. But overall experience is what gets you the jobs.
thank you for the support and also for sharing your journey in the automation world. your insights and valuable experience are truly a great help for people who are pursuing careers in the automation and manufacturing space. more power to you sir!
We have been teached the technology that was useful 40-50 yrs ago, the same method of getting job what used to be in those days.
We are not bridging the gap between industries and syllabus, talking specifically about india
Quite a few of my nephews are at the age now where they now have to start thinking about what do to for college and university. I tell them much the same thing you do here, that they should make sure they can use a computer and the programs that are relevant to the jobs they want to persue.
Being good with Excel, Word, sharepoints, data logging, thats a solid basis. if you can then do Inventor, Solidworks, Python, or even more, damn, you will be unstoppable.
Another reason, and here I am going to get a bit more philosophical. The world that these young people are going to retire in, is not going to be the same as the one our parents are retiring in right now, to the point that it is going to be so different that they will be two completely seperate worlds. If you can interact with a computer, software and perform tasks with every low intensite on your body, your ability to work well into your 60's and 70's without high risk on your body will give you so much quality of life it is almost unfathomable.
This is 100% on of the best career paths ever. I would highly suggest they get into this world.
I agree the world will be different. That's why I say freeing humans 1 robot at a time.
I love the Automation, although mi english no is good but I preted lerning for i go US.greetings from Mexico. Excellent Video.
Thank you, Giovanni!
Thank you so much keep going , i will wait for some resources or courses from you
nice speech dude, I'm pretty much excited about your future content.
Thank ya Brother!
Useful information to have. Definitely keep in mind the math part, that same also applies to the science courses. In my community college there were 4 physics classes. The difference was that two were algebra based and the other two were calc based. Guess which one is needed for a BS in Engineering.
I often joke that I make more money from the thing I learned in tech school then college. I went to a tech school that had a program for industrial controls. We learned panel design and building, electrical devices, motor control, hydraulics & pneumatics, PLC programing, and HMI programming. Today almost everyone in that class would of had a job, but it was the late 90s so the industrial automation job market was tough.
I ended up getting a BS in Chemistry and even worked in R&D. That was a lot of fun but really had limited upside. So I retrained myself in automation and worked for several integrators. It was great experience but I disliked the salary with long hours without adequate compensation for it.
I now work in a corporate setting and I love it much more.
Despite the reasons for my leaving the integrators, its the best way to really learn automation. You have to grind through a project and all the different parts. You learn what to do and what not to do. I would recommend that path for someone coming out of college. If you want to have a family or settle down later, get a job in a corporate setting. Having the integrator experience will give you a leg up when starting.
Thank you for sharing your story. Are you still on the automation side of things? Integration is definitely the way to gain the experience but like you said it can be hard to work for. The main issue I see is that integration companies need to be fairly large in order to have an easier working life for the employees. It's hard because they can't afford to hire someone else so they stretch who they have to thin. And now the big integrators struggle to find employees. Automation is one of the best career fields to get into. Especially now. If we were to go into a recession jobs still need to get done.
@@EliteAutomation Yes I’m still in automation. I work in the pharma business so I spend more time dealing with compliance rather then writing code or designing HMI applications. But I still have to read PLC code/HMI applications and develop solutions.
I’m regularly contacted by recruiters, so I imagine it must be tough to get find people now. I can’t relocate anyway, my wife works for NY State so we r here for the time being.
I’m using my free time now to get either a BS in engineering or an MS in Pharma Mfg. Not sure yet. I realize I probably don’t need it, but I’d rather have it when I’m in my 50-60-70s then not. I watched my dad do this stuff wo an engineering degree. He had to take work that involved a lot of travel. It was tough on his body but he managed.
This is where four-year Applied Engineering (Engineering Technology) degrees come into play. 95% of my students are automation or controls engineers in industry, and you do not have to worry about transferring. It sounds like you are in Evansville, IN, so we offer a four-year Electromechanical Engineering Technology degree at Murray State University. I made a video a couple of years back to basically explain this same thing. th-cam.com/video/5zDcHJn4oj0/w-d-xo.html
Thank you Sir. I actual have plan to have one of our members reach out to have you as a guest on our new podcast.
I tried to go back to school in my 30's and that classroom style learning just didn't do it for me. I put myself in a position to learn the industry from people who are already in it. As soon as I felt I wasn't learning anymore, I moved on to the next company that offered the learning environment I was looking for. The speed at which you can learn is amazing if you're willing to put yourself in those seek or swim situations.
My point is that an apprenticeship can be much more valuable than a degree.
I do agree! On the job training is hands down much better. Out of school I really believe you are gaining a paper that opens some doors and some very entry level knowledge. I've excelled so fast in my career because I work full-time with a system integrator and went to school which did have a multiplier effect. I was equipped to ask much better questions at school and through that learn more to take back to work the next day.
I’m going for Advanced Automation and Robotics technology degree at Ivy tech right now I love it.
That's a great degree to get. That's the same degree I have.
Mechatronics degree but work as a mechanical technician. Robotics, DeltaV, SCADA, devicenet, and fieldbus are some some stuff I still do that involved my degree. Which I did not get to learn while in school, OJT and learning in the field is the way to go.
You definitely have to learn major of everything in the field.
Sir can you recommend which degree should I take?, the syllabus is similar with slight differences across the degrees,so im getting a technical degree which is:
1 ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY IN INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATION AND ROBOTICS
2 MECHATRONICS ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY IN ROBOTICS
3 MANUFACTURING ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY IN INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATION
So which should i go if i want to be a controls engineer? and can you recommend me which is more safer to go to get into the automation industry?
The one that has the most programming classes would be best for a controls engineer. Also you might be able to get two degrees if you use electives of one degree towards the other. This is what I did and only had 2 half semesters extra to do of schooling.
They are all fairly equivalent and can't really go wrong with any. The classes with in them will make the biggest difference. They are different at every school.
I thought that I am the only one that have this problem .
The university degree is not enough to have the skills required to have a job i agree with you 100% there is a gab between what university teaches and what the market needs that needs some technical training
Now i am studying a program to gain those technical skills like control panel design plc scada HMI things i didn't learn during my electrical engineering bachelor degree.
The specific trainings are so much better!
Man i want to get into automation so bad but idk where to start learning im already a licensed journeyman electrican and work in the oil field and everything is going automated
Well you are off to a good start with being an electrician. If you're working in the oil field I assume you have a good understanding of controls circuits.? If so then that should translate to automation easily. Just different devices. That could be an entry point and go into the position seeking some other skill set you would like to learn.
I work as AT at Tysonfoods for a 1,5 year and make 40 $ per hour only from DIPLOMA i(Industrial Automation Technician),in TN soo it is also cheap state to live in too.
That’s awesome!!! That’s a perfect example congratulations! It’s great for others to hear as well.
Sheesh, I will definitely be checking out Tyson! Jobs like that near me only wanna pay $20 an hour and im in a medium cost of living city
@@drewg7036 Crazy right. The industry is 🔥
Useful thanks for upload ❤👍
Thank you
I've had to opportunity to speak to Malachi over the phone about this video and the career path I would like to take, coming from aerospace into automation and he was extremely friendly, understanding and helpful answering my questions. Again Malachi, thank you for the help, I hope to be able to post an update about my progress soon. God bless!
No problem David! Anything I can do to help. Please keep us updated in your new ventures.
Also if you have any video ideas around this topic feel free to let us know. It will only help the next guy in the future, 😉
Very interesting content. I like hearing about what employers actually want. I’m in school at ECPI and I’m debating between mechanical engineering technology or electrical engineering technology with a specialty in machtronics. I’m really interested in robotics and manufacturing automation, especially because of all the ensuring that may happen over the next decade. But I live in San Jose California and the salary of a PLC programmer or a technician isn’t gonna cut it out here. Do you have any idea what type of route I can take that will eventually lead me to the big bucks such as $150k+? I’m already making 95k as an engineering project coordinator but want to get this degree and make a career jump. Any suggestions as to what I should focus on to get there?
Mechanical engineering is probably the most useful. A lot of things are going to protocols where wiring/electrical engineering work loads are less. A full system generally only takes us 1 week to do the electrical engineering. Where mechanical may have months on engineering on the same project.
Hey, i'm from Malaysia and i did Diploma in Mechatronic engineering. Diploma sits one step below Degree.
I've learned only the basics. It's been two years since i graduated and i'm afraid that i already forgot what I've learned. Can you please tell me what specific knowledge, software or skillsets i should know to become an automation engineer ?
I'm leaning more towards manufacturing automation because i heard people saying it's less stressful.
I did internship in precision engineering because it was the only company near my home. They just asked me to operate cnc milling & turning. No setups or programming. No conventional/manual. Just did my internship as a normal company operator.
I don't have the money to pursue for a degree and i'm already 24 right now.
It really depends on what you are looking to get into. Mech engineering, programming, etc. maybe I’ll do a video on the softwares that are most popular. Allen Bradley is number 1 in the US for PLC programming, mechanical engineering is SOLIDWORKS and inventor. Another thing that will help is calling companies you may want to work for and ask them what software they use.
Hey! What's up? I've created a video for the best way to educate yourself to become an automation engineer. Check this out: th-cam.com/video/eH4d2XjGh5k/w-d-xo.html
Question: mechanical engineering graduate here (class 2021)
Work experience:
-worked a little over 1 year in the petroleum industry (field engineer)
- worked in the civil engineering field as a project engineer till present day
While I have had 2 good paying jobs I’ve recently realized & feel like I’m not utilizing my “mechanical engineering” degree. So I’m currently wanting to get into the electrical/automation industry
Do you have an advice for someone that’s just starting out to try and get into the industry?
I’m currently living in Texas and so I’ve applied for my Texas electrical apprenticeship license to to try and get into an entry level electrician apprentice job
Idc about the pay cut I’ll more than likely take. I just want to start from square one and learn everything I can about electrical systems & climb my way up the latter from there.
Do you have any other tips, programs I should look into?
Hi, your background in engineering, especially with a focus on mechanical engineering, is a valuable asset for a career in electrical/automation. Many of the skills you've developed, such as problem-solving, technical analysis, and project management, are directly transferable to this field.
Here are some tips to help you transition:
1. Leverage Your Existing Skills:
Highlight your engineering background: Emphasize how your mechanical engineering skills can contribute to understanding electrical systems and automation processes.
Showcase your project management experience: Demonstrate your ability to manage complex projects and coordinate teams.
2. Gain Electrical Experience:
Complete an electrical apprenticeship: Your plan to pursue an electrical apprenticeship is a great way to gain hands-on experience and learn the fundamentals of electrical systems.
Consider online courses or certifications: Explore online platforms like Coursera, Udemy, or LinkedIn Learning for electrical engineering courses or certifications.
3. Network and Build Relationships:
Attend industry events: Connect with professionals in the electrical/automation field at conferences, workshops, and networking events.
Leverage LinkedIn: Build a strong online presence and connect with industry experts.
Reach out to companies: Research companies in your area and directly inquire about entry-level positions or internships.
4. Focus on Specific Areas of Interest:
Identify your passion: Determine if you're more interested in electrical design, control systems, automation, or a specific industry like manufacturing or energy.
Tailor your resume and cover letter: Highlight your skills and experience relevant to your chosen area.
5. Consider Certifications:
Obtain industry-recognized certifications: Certifications like Certified Automation Professional (CAP) or Certified Industrial Maintenance Mechanic (CIM) can demonstrate your expertise and increase your job prospects.
Remember, persistence and a willingness to learn are key to a successful career transition. Keep networking, gaining experience, and pursuing opportunities in the electrical/automation field.
Agreed in the beginning, but I guess you lumped DCS in with PLC, Malachi. I bring this up because most chemical engineers work on DCS/PLC in manufacturing facilities and a course on process control, not theoretical, but practical is very helpful for performing this job. Most of my training was OJT in a lean and mean company but I also recommend working for small and large companies and spreading yourself (volunteering) over many different jobs. It's also beneficial to work many different processes and parts of a project from FEED to Detailed Design to Start-up and beyond. As for the rate of pay you discussed, I don't think that's realistic. People are not going to continue in this industry if they're only making $25 an hour.
Learn about the different documents used on these jobs (see my ISA book) as well as het familiar with what ISA, AICHE, IEEE and other groups offer, including meetings.
Also learn several systems, e.g., Honeywell, Foxboro, ABB, DeltaV...
Yes. I did lump them together. I've personally not had a lot of exposure to DCS and mainly with PLC, Robotics and Automation in manufacturing settings.
There is a huge gap and I really dont know what can be done to close this gap. I believe that engineers and scientists cannot be taught the same way. There really needs to be more applications for the engineers.
My long term goal is to start a school at Elite Automation. At first it'll probably be informal but I plan to either, get imbedded with colleges, buy a college, or just start an all new school. If Elite Becomes big enough they will have the clout that people would accept our certs.
Did my associates in electromechanical technology and currently pursuing my B.S. in the same major. Hoping to get my masters in Automation and Robotics engineering
That's awesome!!!! Sounds like a great educational path. Probably one of the best you can have. Especially considering the future of automation.
I started a technician in 2005 to be a CNC machinist. I quit because I got a scholarship to start MechEng uni. I should've insisted and get the technician degree first, engineering paperwork sucks. Not practical. I'm a bit frustrated.
Keep your head up high... There are always solutions and opportunities up ahead. 🙂
What you do for a living is what I thought I would be doing for a living. I graduated in Industrial Technology with a concentration in automated systems. I could not find a job in that market, in my area, when I graduated.
Really. What Didi you end up doing
@@EliteAutomation Sorry for my delay. I am not an avid youtuber. I work in a plating shop. We electro and elelectroless coat valves and machinery with nickel and copper.
Since it is a job shop, the work and job requirements change constantly. It is the reason I have stayed so long. I love the field.
Can I become an automation engineer with a computer science degree?
It really depends on your skills. Can you do any programming?
@@EliteAutomation Just starting out on html/css and hoping to start a degree in either Electrical Engineering or Computer Science. Don't know which I'll get.
I went to learn electrical industriel drawing in autocad can u give me good channel course for that ?... Thanks
As far as I know there are not really any good channels for that.
There's great value in this video, thank you!
I'm learning automation skillsets on my own and I'm trying to figure out : besides Autocad and Solidworks, can you name me the software and hardware skills needed in an automation engineer position?
It depends if you are planning to go on the mechanical side of things or not. Definitely learning PLC, HMI, robot, servo topics will help a lot. Even just understanding what they are and do.
@@EliteAutomation I'm planning to work more on the software side. So I'm going to start with PLCs and HMI
Heres the flip side with a question at the end:
Im a Machinist (mostly manual) in my late 30's whos been doing this for close to 17 years. Ive both impressed and embarrassed some Mechanical Engineers in my journey. Ive messed with programming and PLC work enough to understand basic concepts, but im now at a dead end job in Machining. My pay is damn near tapped out and i havent even pushed my brain. This is hardly a challenge.
But now with having my own family, going back to school for even robotics/automation looks daunting.
Do i have a shot?
I think it’s definitely possible. Especially if you can find an automation shop that does their own machining. Hire in with the expectation that you will do machining for x hours a week while they teach you more on the robot programming side of things. I would definitely hire someone willing to make that trade off.
@@EliteAutomation thanks for the response! Are you based out of Houston? Ive heard that name before
I am absolutely beginning from where should I start
Check out our playlist. We have a whole playlist of these types of videos and many more coming
There is alot of online engineering and programming course on Udemy and edex Wich can make you engineer
You really want to learn the top brands. It's one of the first questions we ask when we interview someone.
Hell I'm already building control panels with an associate's in electronics
Exactly... You don't need to have a bunch of fancy degrees to do this stuff. Just some directions and specific education.
Hey man I’m currently enrolled in a Technical College from the TCSG I was wondering. Do you think Automation Engineering Technology would be better for this field to advanced in the field or do you think Industrial Systems Technology would be more applicable? Thanks I’m advance
By the way both are Associate degrees. The AET3 degree is 72 credit hours and the industrial systems technology degree is 63 credit hours. They also have a dual degree option where if you’re majoring in AET3 you can graduate with Both A.A.S degrees including a 3rd 2 year diploma called electrical control systems. The dual degree is only a 6 class add on and it would take the same amount of time to complete due to the course schedule. I’m currently enrolled in the dual degree but I have until Fall Semester to decide what I wanna due. I’ll have all my core classes done by then. I’m currently working full time at berry global as a operator. I was wondering what do you think of my current situation any advice? Would the dual degree be worth it or would I be fine with the automation engineering tech associates degree? Thanks I’m advance really been overthinking this I don’t wanna have a work overload I have my first babygirl on the way and if I can cut those classes and still be successful in the industry I think that’s what I may do.
Definitely the AET3 Degree. That's almost the exact same type of degree path I had.
That path is going to give you the best looking resume and you will gain more higher level technical skills. I highly suggest that you accomplish the other degrees of they fall under that one. It's almost the exact same degree path I have.
With a diploma in Automotive engineering can I proceed to degrees in industrial automation?
They are two completely different degrees but sure you can.
How I can become involved in automation engineering plz guide me step by step .
Learn to code PLCs or Robots and apply for those type of jobs. Or mechanical engineering. Find a type of work in the automation space. A systems integrator such as our selves is the the best type of company to work for.
@@EliteAutomation thanks for response I am totally new to this field plz tell me about to startup from absolutely beginner level to professional level I meant a list of course which is necessary to learn and earn .
I have more question about transitioning to automation engineering. Do you have an email you can be reached at?
If you would reach out to me on linkedIN
Malachi Greb
@@EliteAutomation thank you!
A doctorate's degree in six years? Sign me up. 🤦♂️
Lol. I think that's the quickest.
Advice is like 12 year to late for me
What a bummer! Lol. Could always transition
Even Sadguru talks about this, soon school will be completely obscelete...
I agree! Until Elite starts it’s own school
Lol
It is crazy that BS Engineering just does not prepare someone to be a controls engineer. Even in the metro Detroit area where we literally have a section of Oakland County called Automation Alley with a ton of OEM, robotics, and automation integrators. I've looked at curriculums for my son who will be 12 in November and who I'm already teaching PLC programming, and pneumatic control. We are building machines in the basement and even have a used Fanuc LR mate that we have integrated with our PLC. UofM Flint has BS in Engineering Tech that prepare someone quite well, and at least 3 community colleges seem to have excellent mechatronics and EE tech associates degrees which actually have PLC programming courses, but it blows my mind that maybe all but one (Kettering) seem to have BS Engineering courses that prepare someone for Industrial Automation (which there is a TON of in SE Michigan). Just weird.
yes, thank you for pointing it out...and congratulations for guiding your son in the automation path!
Hey those are very useful points you made in the video, thank you!
Most of the time, graduates from the mechanical engineering institutes are in a dilemma for which career path to pursue, thank you for talking on that.
It's a must to get acquainted to some software after graduating, to up your skillset, whether it is a design software or the programming languages depending on your interest and the career path that you want to pursue. It will definitely be worth it.
No problem! Thank you very much and I be wishing you much career success.
Extremely well put Malachi. How do you recommend approaching employers who only want to hire engineers for industrial automation roles? I have a technology degree and have been denied interviews based on this.
Maybe go for entry level position or learn programming. Really depends on what you are trying to do.
How can I get admission? Can you help me to get admission?
Admission to where?
Love this! This is what I need to hear. Thanks for the insight
No Problem and we have a playlist around this topic as well
It's definitely something I'm passionate about. I didn't know where to start. That's also why we started the manufacturing come up podcast. It's also on our TH-cam and all Podcast platforms
SPOT ON! My place has 2200 employes so many "degreed" engineers and here I am not degreed but with technical school and can way more then this kids and easily clearing 6 digits. Industrial automation is still a niche that most people don't understand. This is exactly my way of thinking "can you get it done or not"? Else move your in my way. I really liked this video just made even more appreciative.