WEBLEY MKVI: Classic British Weeb Gun
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- The Webley MK VI is an iconic British sidearm chambered in .455, and now it is apart of the channel. I've always wanted a top breaking revolver, and the Webley MK VI fills that need...for now...This particular model had some issues with reliability, which I am hoping is easily fixable. If you are a Revolver pro feel free to leave some advice down below. Yet again very stoked to own a part of History with this handgun and how its relations to both World Wars give it this deeper meaning.
00:00 The Time Warriors Mission
01:22 Over the Top
01:43 Shooting Montage
02:22 Gentlemen Welcome to the Channel
05:37 Sonoran Desert Institute
06:21 Webley MK VI context and reliability issues
08:43 If you're a revolver expert help
12:31 THE END/ bloopers
All magazines used are less than 29 rounds.
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I notice you did not disclose your relationship with Webley. I’m beginning to think you’re paid off by big historic revolver 🧐
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Damn big historic revolver has their fingers in too many pies
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Conspiracy?? I THINK NOT.
Damn industry shills
It's hard to tell in video, but your cylinder appears to have been shaved for the 45ACP cartridge and moon clips, done by importers for the American market. Please don't use commercial 45 ammo though without a better understanding.
The area behind the cylinder stop grooves seems too short and I think I can make out a cut-off serial from the grinding.
This would also explain why your firing pin wasn't consistently reaching the primer. This also means the cases are unsupported during firing and are jackhammering the frame.
People unfamiliar with older firearms should be warned: if it isn't running correct please stop shooting and assess why in case you cause further damage or even suffer injury.
edit: timestamps 1:45 and 10:55
Yep, unsupported and flopping around. Shaved cylinder / wrong ammo for the gun.
Holy smokes it's Othais and Mae, our boy Admin is now officially cool
Saint Othais keeping watch over all gun tubers ensuring historical firearm safety. We are blessed.
It was..
Smear some JB Weld on the back of the cylinder.
Bigger the gob, better the job.
Balaclava man: You're no historical expert. This guy is. Even though it's a revolver.
Hi Othias! (or Mae (or whoever is patrolling the tube keeping the gun world safe))!
That HSP plate carrier really aged well from WW1!
Smashingly historical
Travis Haley is immortal
My great great great grandfather served in Gallipoli. He was a lieutenant and if I’m not mistaken, would have rocked a webley. Pretty sure he died there or on the western front. Can’t remember exactly. Nice video balaclava man
i wonder how many deserters he got to shoot with it
@@bobsaget3758 aussies didn’t shoot their own. That was the British, even then they didn’t execute anzacs in fear of revolt.
@@bobsaget3758 also, sorry you died bob.
@@Chad_Thunder-Koch Aussies were part of the Empire they had the same protocols for desertion
@@rebel4029 nope. By the First World War, Australia formed its own army with its own chain of command. No British officer was permitted to execute any Australian.
A lot of Mark VI Webleys had the back of the cylinder shaved to fit .45APC with moonclips. The result is that .455 doesn't have the support to fire reliability.
*WARNING for shaved or cut Webleys in .45 ACP/Auto Rim***
This caution is directed at owners of .455 Webley revolvers - or any other revolver originally chambered in .455 for that matter - that have been converted in some manner to chamber and fire .45 ACP cartridges in moon clips (or .45 Auto Rim cartridges without moon clips)
You will likely have been told (or have read) that it is fine to shoot "factory" or "GI Spec" .45 ACP (or .45 Auto Rim) cartridges in your altered .455 revolver, and you may well already have put many such rounds through your revolver without mishap.
Please be aware that in the view of many who are familiar with these revolvers IT IS NOT SAFE TO FIRE SUCH ROUNDS.
Please consider these facts -
1. The operating pressure for the Mark VI Webley revolver (the last, and strongest, of the .455 Webley service revolvers) was a maximum of 13200PSI (i.e. six 'long tons' of 2200 lbs).
2. The standard operating pressure generated by milspec and full factory loads of .45 ACP ball ammunition is 19,000PSI.
3. The pressure of .45 ACP milspec and standard factory loads exceeds the proof load for the Mark VI Webley revolver.
4. The dimensions of the chamber throats on Webley service revolvers are a bit variable, but generally are smaller than bore diameter for some reason - but this system worked well with the original hollowbase bullet design, which was quite soft (20/1 lead/tin) and non-jacketed. These soft bullets swage down passing through the chamber throat (.... my own view is that this was intentional, to get the most out of the relatively small powder charge, and thus maximize the velocity produced ....) but then the base expands nicely to engage the rifling in the bore. However, the general consensus is that jacketed bullets (such as those loaded in most GI-spec .45ACP ammo) can work to dramatically increase the already excessive chamber pressure generated by such rounds.
5. Furthermore, the earlier models of .455 Webley service revolver were not as strong as the Mark VI. Indeed, the Mark I, Mark II and Mark III revolvers were in fact designed for black powder loads.
Although it cannot be denied that many .455 Webley revolvers have survived being subjected for a long time to standard .45 ACP ammunition, that is equivalent to having been fed a steady diet of proof loads. Simply put, it is a testament to the sturdiness of Webley service revolvers, but can hardly be considered either safe or advisable! It is best to handload these shaved Webleys with lead bullets in the .452-455" size range ad 230-270 grains in weight in either .45 ACP or .45 Auto-Rim cases downloaded to 620-710 fps. This is the only way to safely enjoy shooting a shaved Webley.
The Webley is unironically one of my dreams guns. It's just aesthetically pleasing
Got a MkIV (.38 S&W) from WWII at a ghetto Florida gun show years back for about $300. Might be the best value for your money, if you just want to own one to own one. They’re definitely more common than the MkVI, and ammo is a little easier to find.
Break-action revolvers are a different breed. Naturally, as is Admin Results
Constructed to different specifications
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@@decespugliatorenucleare3780 calm down m8
The cylinder on your Webley was probably shaved to used .45 ACP with moon clips or .45 rimmed. Using the .455 Webley ammo in these shaved models moves the primer a bit further away, making them less reliable. This modification was done due to the availability of .45 ACP when they were being imported, although modern .45 ACP exceeds the rated pressure for the revolver. The best way to get ammo for a shaved cylinder is to reload your own. Just wanted to say that's probably the reason you're having issues.
My grandpa had one of these most of his life, it was his camping and home defense gun. He recently passed away and my dad was lucky enough to get it. (Well, my mom got it, but we all know my dad really wanted it)
What i was thinking
Around 10:50 it looks like to me the Cylinder has had just a touch shaved off
I agree. The spacing is probably off enough with .455 that he’s getting light primer strikes.
I'm not really a wheelgat guy. But there are two I really want. The Manurhin M73, and the Webley.
Me too, but I will say I like the S&W R8 and the Rhino.
Ah yes, Lobster and Skittles. My two favorite foods.
There's .357 webley custom made in British, robinson wheeler of not mistaken
Edit : it's anderson wheeler.
I've always wanted a Webley, but I settled for the revolver that Webley sued the British government over: the Enfield No. 2
Same here. Very cool gun but 38 S&W is so hard to find and expensive when you do
@@spaghettijoe7803 not to mention anemic AF. My pistol shoots 8 inches low at 10 yards, lol
@@GustheGunGuy I've only shot magtech and Remington performance wheel gun. The Remington shoots dead on but the magtech shoots super low
@@GustheGunGuy It might be under loaded because they are afraid of blowing up guns. My 8mm mauser has the same problem with factory ammo.
.38 S&W is definitely anemic for the Enfield revolvers. Most .38S&W ammo is made for top break pocket guns like the S&W model 2 and its various clones, which have significantly weaker actions than the Enfields, which were made for the .38/200 and later MkIIz loadings, which used a 200 grain cast lead bullet, and a 180 grain FMJ respectively.
The Brodie helmet and the modern carrier has a pretty cool vibe to it
Brodie helmet with nods 😳
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The helmet looks good because it looks very balanced. With a modern helmet, the wearer always wears it crooked and it looks unprofessional, but with the Brodie helmet it looks as good as a custom made hat.
When my grandpa died his kids divided up his guns. My mom opted for a 22lr instead of his Webley. I haven't thanked her for tendies ever since.
Reminds me of the MP412 Rex revolver from battlefield 3...thanks for the flood of memories bru.
Ok bit one served from 1840 to present the other is in a game
More like 1887 but yeah
@@Ian-yk4pk thanks
If you want a historical recap of the Webley, go ahead and let me know and we'll make a completely inaccurate video.
Done deal.😍
I love you.
Man, what a beautiful intro! Well worth the price of admission :)
Video hit just in time for my IBS to kick in.
Couldn't have timed this better my man. 👍
I too bought a Webley with a similar issue. I'd check the main spring.
Solid copy
@@AdministrativeResults its a shaved cylinder, you should be using .45acp with moon clips or .45 auto rim
@@AdministrativeResults if you look at the side profile of you shooting, you can see the amount of brass exposed, it should only be the rim thats exposed. the bullets probably are able to slide back and forth
@@AdministrativeResults See C&Rsenal's comment here! Both of you.
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This was so powerful. Your production value is insane.
100% historically accurate gear, I love the attention to details and the serious put behind this video
Their is always the Smith and Wesson No. 3 revolver made by Uberti
@@AndrewW. I would prefer the MP412 REX (from Battlefield 3, I'm still playing it)
Modern Webley mkVII are like $10,000 but they are 8 shot 357s
It's not fuddy to like revolvers. All guns are good guns, even fudd guns. Just don't have the fudd mentality, and everything is okay.
If it goes bang, it goes with you.
ANZAC flat range larp is a pro gamer move there. Also I felt that ending on personal level.
Nothing more satisfying that going over the top and popping the top.
Hell of a revolver. Love WW1 era weapons and gear because it was a time where we were on the cusp of so many new technologies and you got to see a mix of everything. (e.g. horseman armed with spears with their gas masks on, bomb dropping blimps, first generation tanks, etc.)
Very true. The biggest tragic thing was the Generals were using 19th century tactics against 20th century weaponry. Hence the reckless loss of life of tens of thousands of young men who were sent too they’re deaths to literally gain a few feet on the battlefield.
I regret selling mine so much. Miss tromping around my old apartment in STL blathering “we must confound gerry at every turn” in-between other tasks and flicking the top-break action satisfaction were too much fun.
Hands down my favorite channel right now. Keep it up man 👍
There is a Great Australian Series called "Gallipoli". Was able to spend 5 weeks in NZ and they have a whole forest that was planted for the Anzacs that died in WWI, which is also worth watching (Anzacs) . Was really cool.
I just have to say, that old helmet with the hoodie and modern gear is just DOPE.
never thought i'd see a webley on the channel, very nice
I think the problem with your Webley might be the fact that your trying to shoot .455 Webley instead of .45 ACP. Many Webley MKVI revolvers have had their cylinders shaved to accept .45 ACP and when you try to switch back to .455 Webley with those revolvers then you will get a lot of misfires. I'm not 100% sure that is your problem but I highly suspect that's the case. Take it to a gunsmith and have him inspect it and maybe mention that to him. If the cylinder has in fact been shaved to accept .45 ACP then only shoot mild ball rounds through it.
In the movie Lawless, the oldest brother Howard was a WW1 vet. It takes place during probation and he carries a Webley .455. Interesting and accurate choice for guns at the time in the Appalachian mountains. Old milsurp
Admin these keep getting better and better love ya brah
This channel is clearly underrated. This is some gold right here.
Glad you talked about that old revolver my friend. It's a good one
Your Webley story is like Archers story about how he got his switchblade: Saw it in a store and said "Neat." Same when I got my C96.
For those of you interested in WW1 history, check out the National WW1 Museum and Memorial in Missouri. I had never heard of it until I visited Missouri a few years ago. Reading the letters people wrote home really brought that era to life again. In many ways, I feel the joes back then were not too different from us today. It was a really great experience. And the people I met in Missouri were the nicest I had ever met.
I'm watching this at work. I'm that committed to the cause.
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Top break revolvers are neat.
modern guns just dont have that og blued steel swag that older guns have.
There seems to be some controversy over the Webleys converted to .45 ACP these days. Many thousands of such guns were converted during the surplus mailorder boom of the '50s and '60s. They've been fired extensively with the alternative cartridge, and are entirely safe to use with standard pressure ammunition. The groove and throat diameter of the Webley runs .004" to .006" larger than it would be sized for the .45 Auto, and they have fairly generous cylinder/barrel gaps. Both of which reduce pressure. They were also meant to use half-moon clips or .45 Auto Rim in the conversions. Many Webleys have developed excessive cylinder endshake, and benefit greatly from shimming the cylinder back. Though shims have to be made on the lathe and fitted. That will usually cure any misfires. Mainsprings are rather stout. The Webley mechanism is also very simple and fairly easy to retime. But rather different than what we're used to seeing in the United States. Generally it's the timing of the cylinder bolt dragging a bit on the indexing notch as it releases that causes a perceivable hitch in cylinder rotation. The bolt must be elevated to advance its timing. The hand length will control cylinder timing.
The greatest intro I’ve ever seen! There is something truly somber about the bagpipes.
I'm two minutes in and I can already tell the game has been upped. Best one yet.
Holy Timestamps Batman! If Monk organized a video that’s how it would be timestamped 😂
Love the Webley. Heads up on the comments about the reliability and back boring of the revolver. You have to get very lightly loaded 45ACP, GIs tried to rechamber the 455’s but they weren’t designed for the stress of 45ACP. Use of the full 45 can crack the frames, 455 Webleys were designed to be used with black powder initially, they modernized to use smokeless.
As a bunch of others are saying from their own toilets (we are not all in the same toilet, just to be clear) it was common for Webleys in the US to have the rear of the cylinder shaved down slightly to take a .45 Auto Rim case. That case was itself supposed to take the place of .45 ACP in a moonclip, for shooting the WW1 S&W and Colt revolvers without a moonclip and as such is a thick-rimmed cartridge (thiccc). If you have found some actual .455 Webley ammo (and it looks like you have) then those old timey Empire seeds are now too far forward for the firing pin to reliably ignite them. Find some .45 Auto Rim brass and try it in the cylinder, but dont shoot a factory load because it will be much higher pressure than the Webley was built to take. 700fps is the typical velocity you get from Webley ammo, compared to the 800+ from a US freedom boolit.
DONT LET ANYBODY MESS WITH THE TIMING! Webleys do not use the same lockwork as a Smith or a Colt so the usual gunshop counter test for timing doesnt work, they look loose as hell although they are not. Somebody has to really actually properly know Webleys before they can work on them.
Usually I make some smartass comment but I’m going to be real a minute… the whistle then the bagpipes made this for me. My great gramps was a Scottish soldier from Glasgow who fought in the Royal Engineers from November 1914-March 1919. He was at Ypres, the Somme, Passchendaele, and Amiens. He was shot in the leg and gassed, and proudly wore his medals every Remembrance Day until he passed in 1960 from complications of the mustard gas. This video just hit different, and I thank you, Mr Balaclava Guy
Looks like your cylinder has been turned down to accept .45 ACP moon clips, as many of these old wheel guns were. There looks to be a fair bit of slop for the cartridges when using .455 to move forwards and backwards, which causes no end of light strikes. The problem is that even if you were to use .45 ACP, it unfortunately exceeds the proof pressure of .455 Webley. Your best bet would be loading .45 ACP with moon clips or .45 Auto Rim to lighter pressures if you want full reliability out of this old warhorse
Have shot one of these, quite fun. Check out the C&Rsenal vids on the Webley, probably the most comprehensive I've seen on both the history and the function nuances, a good troubleshooting tool to aid in figuring out that Cylinder timing issue. Good stuff Bru.
Great vid, very chill.
Webley videos to chill study relax to.
Needs more blooper reel. That's how you can earn our love.
Thank you for your consistent fun and humor!
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Actually I’m at working right now and you are helping me get through the day of boring idleness .
If i had to choose a handgun to club an enemy to death with after running dry, it would be a Webley.
This was awesome to see. I picked up a MKVI that was shaved down for .45 ACP last year for $150, mainly because the barrel didn't look safe to shoot and the firing pin on the hammer broke when the guy was dry firing it, everything else is in decent shape. Wish I could find parts to fix it. I already have a S&W M1917, but having two working .45 ACP surplus revolvers would be better than one, lol.
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Bro Alec’s gun worked better wtf
@@AdministrativeResults I think this is literally the first malfunction I've seen on a revolver. Maybe the 2nd??
I love your stye. Its funny, yet half way informative. :)
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I couldn't stop laughing at how hard you struggled to throw a helmet at nearly point blank range at a cardboard target, only to lose it when you decided to simply smash it in frustration! Pure comedy Gold!
Yes, embrace the tea and crumpets..... Also, RIP your grandpa, I thank him for his service
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Your intro just reminded me to watch Dunkirk again, as well as finally watch 1917.
Be gentle with her! She is nearly 100 years old. The Mk IV was made from 1916 to approximately 1926. Flipping her open and closed is very hard on frame lock up, it's not exactly new.
Like other commenters, check the cylinder serial number. If it a compleat number is visible it has NOT been modified. Should the top half of the numbers be gone then the pistol has been " Shaved".
Enjoy it and treat her right.
At least it has style.
This it does have.
Lol
@@AdministrativeResults ye
Very satisfying to break the action and watch the spent cases get sent flying.
Churchill was known to have used a Mauser C96 rather than the Webley. During his time in Sudan and South Africa.
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With your comical outset and humor, would love you see you run a review on a Kriss Vector, lol.
Dam….that mid section was swaying up that hill. The duck walk towards the top was super tactical
This was my first revolver -- a Webley in .38 S&W. It came with the awful imported safety that I tried to hacksaw off on my own and failed at because it was held in with a pin that had to be pressed out. Ended up having to pay a real man $15 to remove it and presto! Could reenact WW1 in my living room.
My grandfather kept his one loaded his bedside table until his death in 1987, in England. Dad used to tell him to go and get a license. He would reply along the lines of :"I didn't fight the bloody Japanese in Burma to have some bloody spotty copper tell me how to live my life....."
You're grandfather was based
The Webley has been the big want for me for awhile now. This does not help matters. Top break revolvers Fuck hard. I hope you get the reliability sorted out. Epic video Balaclava Bru.
Also, stay beautiful cover girl.
For those who speak English, the word Fiocchi is read Fiokki, btw nice video as always!
Me and my dad bought a pair, they’re both Mk IV Webley’s with sequential serial numbers. They were made in either 1947 or 1949, and then issued to Hong Kong police. They’re marked “HKP” on the back of the frame. When they were surplus they scratched it out so there’s a couple lines through it but you can still clearly read it. Definitely some of my favorite guns, I grew up in Hong Kong so it really feels really good knowing I have a piece of cool history from my hometown.
Looks like the cylinder was shaved that might be behind reliability issue
I have an air pistol Webley mk6, I live in the UK so can't have the real thing. It came with a facsimile of the original manual and it had diagrams of correct firing stances etc. But the best bit was towards the end where it said 'this gun is not suitable for deliberate aiming'. It was just designed for firing at a mass of soldiers running towards you through no man's land haha
I've always wanted one of these, and a Nagant revolver, just to express my inner fudd.
I bought a Nagant revolver back when they were 99 bucks. Sold it MUCH later for double because of inflation and I wish I didn't
Fuckin love my nagant. You can still find unopened spam cans too!
Very iconic and cool looking revolver!
In the slow-mo you can slowly see the 455 just chugging out the barrel at 700 fps. Beautiful
The British had smith and wesson work on the triple lock and chamber it in 455 I like to thank the lucky brits that got issued a smith got to truly experience a fine revolver and I remmber reading a account of a brit that had said hand ejector concealed inside a coat when he was captured by 3 Germans and shortly came under shelling when everyone took cover in a hole he slipped the 455 out and when illumination went up he quickly plugged them all a few times each da from a few feet away and when it went dark he slipped back to his lines.
2:10 made me literally laugh out loud LOL
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webley revolver and AR mags in a chestrig. Love the historic accuracy here :P
The intros are getting better and better
Was having a shitty day. Saw that AR notification and my crippling depression just disappears. ❤️
Damn bro those were some badass shots in the dust.
Oh yeah your gun is definitely shaved for 45acp, so you either need to find another cylinder for 455 and ask a gunsmith to fit it, or just reload 45 acp to 455 specs. tho a timing checks would be nice.
A right masterful film good sir!
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A break action is on the list to get one day. Battlefield 1 definitely got me looking at something I never really considered. Glad I did love the 1917 Enfield I picked up after
Those older guns always have lots of character, hope you can mend up that webley n get it running nice
some folks cut the cylinder to fit 45acp. Those will sometimes have issues if you dont use moon clips to shoot.
“I walked into a gun store and I saw it and was like neat” .. I felt that .. a lot
Webly and Nagant are on my wish list. For now just got my 1915 S&W victory
Legendary production value.
The webley 455 came to America and the Americans decided to slightly shave the cylinder so it could hold 45 ACP ammunition. So when you load it with actual 455 webly ammunition the spur on the hammer slightly strikes the primers due to the shaved gap so in order to be able to shoot 455 ammunition you need moon clips for the 455 caliber. If you do decide to use 45 ACP use low pressure ammunition.
My grandfather bought a belgian webley from a french flea market in the 70s. Basically stole it for the price. It's not shootable due to a missing ejector and some wear on the locking piece, but its nice to look at.
I just found a Webley MK IV war finish at the gun store I just had to grab😂 the tag said non firing but the shop worker said the guy was using the incorrect 38 ammo. He was trying .38 S&W where as it’s designed for 38/200 military loads so I’m sourcing some proper ammo and excited to get it out to the range and yell “TALLY HO LADS!”