These APS-C Lenses Make Full Frame Nervous (Sirui Sniper Series)
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- Crop sensors are usually worse than full frame. Less image quality, a certain cheapness to the image, less Toneh. You want some background blur bokeh? This Sirui Sniper lenses are insane! 23mm, 33mm, 56mm f1.2 lenses that autofocus. They look really cool in white too. Testing them on the Nikon Z30 vs full frame lenses for Canon and Sony. Is the Sirui 23mm f1.2 as good as the vintage Voigtlander 35mm f1.2? Can the 33mm f1.2 stack up against the Zeiss 55mm f1.8? How does the 56mm f1.2 fair vs the Canon EF 85mm f1.2? Are full frame Canon R8 and Sony A7S III about to lose a battle to the lowly Nikon Z30 with budget Sirui lenses?
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These are just over a thousand in cost but you had a $299 early bird special price. Was that a while ago?
@@blainemitchell That's for all 3 lenses...
Given the money difference, the Nikon images with those lenses are very impressive.
APSC is more than enough. I was obsessed with blurry background until I watched the reboot of Anne of Green Gables. Anne with an E blurs the background so often, it bothered me. I wanted to see the landscape. I watched the original from the 80s and it was so nice to see the natural beauty behind the actors.
Blurry backgrounds are nice for portraits, not so nice for anything else unless you are one of those artistic snobs who enjoy having only 100 views on your pictures on Instagram.
It bears to keep in mind that the pre-digital cinema format was usually super 35, which is almost exactly the same size as an APS-C sensor. So the depth of field of an APS-C sensor is likely to remind viewers more of movies than a full-frame sensor is. But that's really based on viewer expectations, like why do people film in 24 fps? Because that's what films use, even if technically 60 fps, even 30 fps, is better.
There's a trend in modern movies to go full frame or even larger, creating extremely shallow depth of field (Nolan did it in Oppenheimer, but with restraint for certain scenes only), but it's worth asking "just because you CAN (shoot with larger sensors than super 35) doesn't mean you SHOULD".
So for people wanting to shoot video, APS-C is enough. If only IBIS wasn't so damn rare in APS-C bodies.
FF for me isn't so much about the more toneh (though it helps) but how it captures light...coming from someone that shoots FF and APS-C back to back all the time!
I liked that 40mm f2 the most of all the lenses in this video (all the others were nice too). Not bad for an affordable fullframe prime lens. I use it on my Z5 and I'm very happy with it.
Nikon is the only thing that keeps a Canadian's heart warm in the frozen tundra of Ontario. GOD Bless
I do a lot of street photography and I love all that subtlety and low profile, those white lenses bring to the table. I wish they also had orange, red, and acidic green options, and added some shiny LED lights, or music.
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I gotta say, the z30 is quite surprisingly good. I was thinking of an older nikon like D7300 series but I think the z30 will probably be my next purchase. I love that it is also very small so I can use it for traveling without looking like I'm going on safari.
As long as you comfortable without EVF/OVF on sunny days, you're good to go.
Have fun!
I was about to rent a Z30 to play with over break but picked up the Zfc as it was cheaper, but now I want to rent a Z30 too lol.
In the bright sunshine it can be challenging but not impossible to see the scene. I've been pleasantly surprised by how good the kit lens is. I also have the 40/2 and it's a lovely combo.
I've heard people proclaim the Nikon Z 50mm 1.8 to be one of the best 50mm lenses ever made, so much so that it's worth choosing Nikon for that lens.
It absolutely is. I've tried about 30 50mm lenses.
Kasey, great video as usual. To my eye, the Nikon z30 image and colors beat the Canon r8 and Sony a7s3. It is so interesting how a cheaper camera holds its own against the other big boys. Keep up the great work.
The 33mm turned everything green! But that 56mm 🥺 the budget cinema belongs to us
The Z30 is holding up well. I'm guessing the AF for the Z30 would be more consistent with native glass. Nicely done comparison. The SIRUI lenses are looking good as well.
I really want these lenses for my z50. I got caught up in the Sony Hype propapadanda and almost sold it for almost nothing to "upgrade" to a full-frame sensor Sony. Then MarkusPix made me doubt needing to do this and then you finalized the decision with all of your content i have consumed in the last 8 months as I prepared to start vlogging. I just subscribed to Discovery Camera since you suggested it. Keep making entertaining content.
As a sony user, I must applaud you and Nikon on this video. It looks good. My Sony settings for a good image are: S-log 2 on aperture priority with a +1.3 Exposure compensation. I have sharpness down and saturation HIGH (desaturate reds in davinci and you get rid of the bad sony shadow magentas). If only Nikon prices were more panasonic...
Lenses look great. But man the A7S3 looks good with your fav lenses. And you're right, Nikon leans a bit green.
I'm starting to want the Z30. Budget photography bliss!
Nikkor 2,0/40 and Zeiss 1,8/55 were equally pleasing. Lesson of the day: Less elements, more pop.
Lesson of the day: *Fewer* elements
Learned ; )
Leica.
I'm becoming quite fond of that Z30. I was absolutely sure Nikon were out of the game, especially with their first mirrorless units, but their latest cameras and lenses are back up at the top again. I'm shocked.
If only their quality control was better: D600, D750, Z8, you name it. On the other hand, I can only remember Canon having hardware issues once: with their 650D that used rubber which some people were allergic too. Then again, I may be forgetting some other cases. It's just that Nikon handled a lot of those very poorly, like how they never fixed the oil stains on D600 sensors even after service repairs and just released the D610 practically spitting in the face of D600 owners. I think that's what's earned them a bad rep, not their inferior technology.
I think all the camera makers have had at least one model with unexpected shutter induced blur.
@@ftlbaby Oh, definitely. Off the top of my head I can at the very least remember Panasonic G7 having that problem. However in my personal experience of all camera makers Nikon has always had the most problems with dust on their sensors. Both my Nikon D80 and Zfc were dust magnets from day one.
In comparison, I have never had to clean my Canon 600D/550D/EOS M and only occasionally had to clean my Panasonic cameras. Maybe it's just my luck or maybe Canon really does have their anti-dust system figured out.
Can't speak for Sony or others as I haven't used them long enough if at all.
I'm not impressed with the Z30. I think CC has been seduced by the fact that the camera does a bit of crowd-pleasing processing in camera, which you should really be doing in post. Also, I was screaming in my head that the Z30 colours have a strong green tint right before CC said this: 6:14.
@@audioupgrades I mean, Canon has always leaned into warm and red, Nikon into cool and green, and Sony into whatever the camcordery hell they're after. So at the end of the day, you just pick the color scheme you're happy with as no consumer camera is color accurate :)
Surprisingly good. especially the 23mm.. but goddamn that canon 85mm 1.2.. what a gorgeous image..
Potentially just saved me a few bucks. DX 24/1.7 for talking head shots on the Z30 instead.
The focus seems off on the Sirui lenses or maybe they're just that much softer when compared to the full frame image.
The price difference probably makes them worth it but still I think its very noticeable.
That Z30 is great, The cinema is ours! Lens look great to for the price! Thanks for sharing and always entertaining!
Nikon is best for their cameras and lenses both. I have more than 50 years old Nikon F2A... still working ❤
Prefer the Nikon color, but surprised I preferred the FF backgrounds. For my photography I have been shooting almost everything from f8 to f32 this year as my aesthetic has changed. I guess video is different...
Very interesting comparisons!
Love to see your face being wider on the longer focal length lenses. I wonder if a simple post production 1.1 stretch would solve the narrow face look of the APS-C lenses?
Hey Kasey, you're starting to convince me to upgrade from the D3200 to Nikon mirrorless 😆 Leaning towards the Z fc because of the viewfinder, with the 12-28! Also the 24mm tony 1.7 🙂 EDIT: I never watch your videos until the end before I comment... wow the 40mm tony 2 looks the best!!!
tokeh 1.7 is not enough, go for at least t0.6
Nikon colors are wonderful, actually.
These look great, but they are bigger, heavier and more expensive than the full frame f/1.8 equivalents. If you want this kind of depth of field and light gathering, isn't it cheaper to just go full frame?
Not if you already own a bunch of other crop glass and body. Perhaps for someone with no gear you might have a point. Anyone looking at these is already invested in a system and is complementing an existing inventory.
@@POVwithRC Maybe, I recently sold all my APS-C Fuji gear and went full frame, it saved me money and made my gear smaller and lighter :) < th-cam.com/video/aJYSz4mK95Y/w-d-xo.html
man the nikon z30 is shoking me every time to my eye it looked better than every thing else
I am surprised how good these lenses looked. Great video 👌
I used the 23mm for a couple of hours and I was impressed!!! It was a jaw dropping experience!!! And I didn't even go to f1.2! I was using f1.6 because it was a bright day, I had no filter and the Zfc goes up to 1/4000... A little bit heavy and big for my taste but the results were amazing!!! I wish Nikon and third party manufacturers would make prime lenses like these, but smaller and lighter, just like the 24mm f1.7.
It’s the zooms that are still behind. I was happy in Fuji land with the 1.4 primes. But the zooms are all f4 equivalent which is a long way off the 2.8 full frame zooms. So when I found myself wanting a zoom I ended up going Sony A7c
The Sirui lenses are a little softer than their Zeiss and Canon equivalents, but the Sirui lenses are acceptable IMO. I continue to be very impressed with the Z30's IQ, especially its standard profile compared to Sony's. You really had the Sony way off in the last video; glad you fixed it.
Peter Gregg noticed some sporadic AF hunting in his R8. I don't know if he's resolved it; I suspect he has a bad unit. No problems with yours?
Mine hunts too, if I turn my head. Canon is no Sony when it comes to AF.
Casey, it’s time for a “Garbage autofocus lens shootout”. These Sirui vs Fuji lenses, for example. It would be super valuable for people like me- expert filmmakers with zero professional experience, and a Fuji fetish.
The coating on the white ones is baked ceramic, that series is for folks that roll with white mac books and record constantly out of focus. Maybe not as clinical in rendering as a Sigma or the big boys but sorta charming. I prefer my helios and manual focus for the vintage effect.
Nice one Kasey. Great review. I think the Siriu has some 3D pop. Not as much as the Voigtlander, but more than some of the other 3rd party lenses and more than most of the 1st party branded lenses. The Nikon colors are fantastic. In the last comparison with the Canon, the colours were so close it was hard to call. I like how Canon seems to desaturate faces, it means you don't look green and red, like on every other modern camera (Nikon excepted). The Siriu definitely hunted a lot, or possibly it was the slowness you discussed and so it drifted from sharp to slightly soft continuously. Would I get these lenses and the Nikon Zfc, Z30 - YES, 100%
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I got enough lenses, but I may have to get the Canon 85. That lens looks fantastic. The first two Sirui lenses where good, the 56, not as sharp as the Canon, but the Canon cost twice as much if not more. The Nikon camera is excellent, but they are too late to the party. I got enough cameras.
Are you not tempted to try the 40mm on FF? You're right, Nikon is the only big name making modern lenses that are small and have more soul just sharpness corner to corner. So they deserve more publicity and then we'll all switch
the 40mm f2 is on my Zf ALL the time. My professional S-glass is taking dust...
You're slipping! A bit of research tells you that white lenses are ceramic coated aluminium alloy. Also it would have been worth noting they work with eye-detect AF and subject recognition. They produced a nicer, sharper subject, with nice background blur, than all the other lenses except the Nikon 40mm f2.
Impressive lenses, I have never tried sirui.
Damn, that's an awesome price for the quality of the image(s). Not sure who to pat on the back for the quality of the video shown here. Is it Casey's skills or is it the limitation of TH-cam vids.? Either way, Sirui certainly made the imaging possible and the other lens manufacturers might want to take notice...
Damned the 40 mm f2 is amazing! Can't wait for you to try the 50 mm s 1.8!
Are we witnessing the new "Leopards Of Saturn" in the background 🤔??
Sony a7s3 at -1 wins after one quick watch. Did you custom white balance every setup?
Storm trooper designed lenses it seems.
love your videos man. relatively new subscriber.
do you know why nobody has made a Sony Kit Lens 28-60mm vs Sony 24-70mm GM ii video yet? it seems like a video people would want to see who are considering to upgrade from the kit lens
The lens body actually same as sony silver lens, but Sirui coated with some shiny white paint which is easily scratch
That Nikon Z30 looks good, though those Sirui lenses seemed a tad soft. Still, a very pleasing image overall.
... Oh regarding the weird feel of the Siriu. I don't think the different versions are made out of different materials as such. I think they have different coatings. Those white ones are supposed to have an enamel coating. You are not the only one to mention the different feel - some liked it. Chur, Cam from NZ :)
Yeah they look pretty nice.
Can't wait to put some on Canon.
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They were released first for Fuji, I have the 23, they are very good with the X-S20. And the product priority focus works very well!...better than Nikon ; ) I didn't buy the 33 because I have the Zeiss 32mm 1.4 and it is my favorite lens. You're great!
When you can, try the sirui anamorphic, I was always interested in them but I never tried them. Thank you!
12mm make more of a difference than I expected...
(23mm vs 35mm DOF)
Nice review, try the new Mitakon Speedmaster 20mm/35mm/50mm S35 T1.0 Cine Lens Set lenses now. I guess they will be "soft as baby poo" to quote Kai on the f0.95 lens, but maybe they learned some new tricks. To my eye, the Sirui lenses were great. I guess the focus hunting was due to the f1.2, because it is harder to manually focus a really fast lens, so it is probably also harder for the computer in the camera to do it.
In another video or forum, can't recall but the guesstimation was the material of the lens is ceramic. Ceramic is strong, I have a ceramic hip.
Wish they had a micro four thirds mount since there is barely any 1.2 with auto focus that is below $400
Snipers!! I was right...
That reminds me - remember when Nikon took a crack at copying the white Canon lens finishes? You were a kool kid for a few years back then. Just like having a pink iMac 24 today.
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That lens is so good, I can almost determine the type and amount of the weed your smoking! Great video😅
You gotta compare these to the rokinons, because people still think they're the best
canon 85mm 1.2 is good
How are you liking the R8? Would it be a good second camera to the R5?
Yes.
I have a Sirui monopod with a Sirui head. That combination makes my pictures look sharper than these Sirui lenses.
I think Sirui should just stick to make tripods. They are good at that.
there was something weird the whole video, like some fly was flying of your face many times but I think it's some glitch 🤔
I've heard the Sirui snipers have really bad green chromatic aberration, have you come across that at all?
Wondering which other colors it also comes in... maybe I shouldn't just listen so I won't miss it.
I, for one, prefer the Sony color science ;-) And yes, the APS-C samples are worse. The Canon 85mm sample looks ... flat.
Sirui-ously??? Nice
That Nikon 40 is amazing and I bet it isn't terribly expensive either I had an AIS 1.2 nicor and quite liked the manual solid metal aspect of it but I don't believe it was a spherical intended to have weak focus at one point too so they have improved but I could never reinvest in all new lenses to get their new mount even though I do love Nikon I think the Sahara lens are okay not bad really not bad but so much of a lens is how it feels to you and I think if they felt weird I would like them it's kind of like white people spend seven grand on a Leica it's more about the feel solidity the craftsmanship then necessarily better pictures something solid is going to work for you I also think the Sony colors are atrocious but we all know that so much so that you are correct the z30 the humbles E30 beats it overall for a basic picture as far as 3D pop goes I found the saharui not to be so bad there is some pop and this ice had the best pop not surprising for lenses which are so damn expensive and also ceas keeps their vintage design sorry that's z as a zebra eis lens
You can buy the FTZ or FTZ II adapter and use your AIS 1.2 lens. Mirrorless makes those old lenses work so well! Easier to focus with focus peaking!
For me, your face looked the most natural with z30 and the siruis
Did you think of using Dehancer for grading the log footage?
That’s garbage don’t drink that paid advertisement koolaid
If they only made a 12mm f1.2, but their Anamorphic 24mm could be close to that in FOV.
The Nikon looked ok until you brought in the A7S III. Nikon suddenly looks sharpened and too contrasty.
Canon colors are still top dog hard to not see how green the nikon is in the shadows
That Toneh "T" is gonna get confusing if you start reviewing cinema glass!
It will feel right at home :)
Stormtrooper lenses ( George Luckass strikes back )
I thought Z30 was winning till you compared it to Canon. Canon won!
I love cameras and I love conspiracies so not subscribing was not an option. The Sirui really brought out your pinkeye infection. 😊
Nikon colors Rock tell us you creative settings
9:05 for the autofocus thing you might wanna go into the customs settings menu and play around with the AF speed and AF tracking sensitivity settings. I'm pretty sure that's why it's not instantly following your face.
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Sony colors are Crayola level. Do they never check their own footage coming out of their cameras ? The Canon just looks better than both ... even without labels it was obvious , which one it was
I have not liked the reviews of the sniper series, high CA, only useable at 2.8 or higher, focus hunting, softness
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I feel like the Nikon Z30 is always just slightly out of focus compared to all the other options. Am I missing something? The Nikon also seems a touch green and bright. The Sony + Voigtlander appeared to be the most impressive to me. But I also started to wonder if the left side of my Samsung 4K TV was just blurrier than the right side... so there's that.
Sony seems to be digitally sharpened and slightly weird to me.
I use my XH2s with a Viltrox 75 f/1.2 ...... It's legit. F/1.2 in pro res with Fuji color, oh yes.
color - Nikon vs Canon - I prefer Canon color
Sirui or SirSuSHi? You make the call.
Normal people : I want f1.2 for blur background
Holywood people who use m43 all the time : We spend milion to build our own world, if we blur background what can u see ?
The R8 looked weird.
Canon beats em all! Look how handsome you are!
Seeing nice 3rd-party lenses like this really pisses me off towards Canon and their closed lens ecosystem re: not allowing autofocus lenses in the RF mount.
Yes a very good comparison is full frame at F1.8 vs APS-C at F1.2.
Since noise difference between sensors is typically 1 stop, that's taken care of. (In this case the cameras are "equalized for depth-of-field" and therefore, typically, noise). But then there is still the matter of color depth and dynamic range. Full frame wins those categories.
Anyway as much as I love my R8 - this closed lens issue sucks. Really gives me pause.
I don't see it as a problem. These Sirui lenses are nice, but I prefer the Nikon 40mm f2 and it's even cheaper. Canon has all the EF glass.
The Nikon autofocus speed can be changed in the video menu. Set it to higher speed an it will be more willing to change when you go back and forth. I don't know the Z30 in this regard, but that is the normal way Nikons work.
Then it will hunt more, this is the sweet spot and doesn't delay with Nikon lenses.
I love Nikon
See wray should be the same
4:44min same depth of what !?!?! ( I think it's you who is )
Man nikon colors are pretty great, sony is cursed
Again and again I see why I can't stand APS-C framing compared to full-frame regardless how sharp the lens is.
What is your conclusion
This felt more about the Nikon than the lenses, I feel like you really missed a point to drive home that you can get quality out of those budget lenses! (With a budget camera) compared to your most expensive set ups. But I feel like you gave all the credit to the Nikon.