@@LolWutMikehSM He's definitely not got 9 digits. But since he doesn't seem to buy a load of expensive shit he is probably worth 7/8 digits he can also take the losses of running a e sports org
Disagree with the storyline part. FGC typically has some of the best story/background hype at the top level. Nearly every top 8 you have either oldschool titans of the game or upcoming new players trying to topple them and if you are more of a frequent watcher (which is someone who would actually care about storylines vs someone just watching at the start) you usually will be able to recognize the older players
@@lebronjamesharden3958not really SF6 has been extremely popular and has brought in a boatload of new players and with Tekken and MK coming soon the FGC seems to be doing just fine
I run my own esports org in the Smash scene and my players play against Kola / Aaron / Goblin quite often in tournament. I found out about Charlie through Moist Esports and I'm very happy he's part of the scene. #staymoist 💙
Charlie is one of the Esports owners who actively works on growing Esports as a whole, and not just his own org. Also, shout out to the smash scene who is far too underrated for being a pioneer in esports, and dealing with Nintendo's B.S.
@@bombkita Starcraft was the first, but It wasn't quite so popular in the U.S. Counter Strike, Melee, and Halo all came out in the 2000-2002 time period, and all 3 became major Esports, that started normalizing Esports in America.
With Ludwig join in as part of MoistEsports would be pretty sick Garnt and Connor who also love esports hop on the Moist train and we aim for something like League in the future.
When I think of all other eSports I'm glad I gravitated to Counter Strike, it's just the perfect combination of all factors, there's story lines, there's rivalries, there's upsets, we have banter and memes, the game is simple to understand
A lot of e-sports is also like F1 the companies are happy to right off the money cause advertising, as they say win the race on the weekend the car sells on the monday
Ive always liked to justify the money bleeding at esports orgs is passion and pride from the investors in the games they participate in. Which makes them turn a blind eye to the cost.
I believe it's a percentage because they also have that "support a creator" function which gives a percentage of purchases to RL creators. So it would make sense that they take like 50% of the purchase, 30% goes to the platform the game is on and they probably divvy up the remaining percent to eSports orgs and creators. Obviously percentage is ass pulled but something along those lines I'm pretty sure
as someone who's been playing ow since launch and who used to like the esport, owl really did just strangle the organically developed esports scene that overwatch had, even now they've ignored the tier 2 scene to let it starve for years
it was actually an okay scene before owl, had a mix of the tf2 players who switched over and some fresh talent, made it real interesting. If blizzard had just let it develop into something stable for a few years then introduced the owl i think theyd be doing far better than they would have otherwise
CS:GO is a great Esport because it's very easy to watch without having knowledge of the game. It also has plenty of action and a good amount of time to explain things.
They said Fighting Games make good eSports but the $$ difference between like Tekken & Street Fighter vs. Smash is not even close. And then Smash vs. DOTA or COD isn't even close. I wish the gap would shrink or FGC would hit a nice VC bubble like some other games because they need exposure. Top Level Tekken is RIDICULOUS
I’ve never been a huge esport fan but I used to love siege esports. The elite penta/g2 siege team is the only time I’ve ever truly supported an esports team
@@tastyfalcon1788 well that's a thing you're never going to find a game that appeals to everybody everybody has their own niche likes or dislikes and their idea of what is entertaining nothing that's too slow is going to be appealing nothing that is too fast pace is going to be interesting for long
7:27 completely disagree. Altho i could b biased cuz i play overwatch. Tbf i do agree with the $20 million dollar buy in, that is ridiculous for sure. And an ow game can be confusing if u dont know what's going on, but I feel like LoL is just as confusing if not even more confusing than Ow. You have what like 100+ characters that each hv different abilities and what it does. And each one isn't inherently obvious as to what it does. Even with the genji example like dude slices forwards and kills ppl.. not too hard to understand. Im by no means a novice gamer either, ive been playing videogames for most of my life. Ive played league maybe like twice, ive played a few moba style games on my phone too. It's still confusing to me on wtf is going on. Especially considering in moba's the abilities are more like this does x% of total health if they r behind their enemy tower bejng invisible in the grass or something like that.
I know Charlie’s an adult and it’s his decision, but it might be better to think about saving that money when you consider is income is going to be front loaded in his career. Will kids still enjoy watching his twitch when he’s 40 or 50 years old?
He has other means of income too, and I'm sure he's got a huge nest egg already 😉👌🏻 He can easily afford pouring his Twitch earnings into a project for a while
I feel like Overwatch could be a good eSport now that it is one tank and not 2 and there is a little bit more of a character turnover compared to goats but it will really need a good commentator that can execute a good balance between the play by play as well as the explanation of what is going on.
@@harryayling-allen it's a contraction of two words that wouldn't be capitalised normally like electronic mail becoming e-mail, i personally wouldn't capitalise it but thanks for thoughts also
Is saying "me and X" the norm compared to "X and I" for native english speakers? I was taught not to use the first one because it's impolite. Idk sounds like a self-centered approach.
It makes much more sense though. "Me" is the object form, the accusative, like Latin mē, Spanish me, or German mich. "I" is the subject/nominative, like ego/yo/ich.
I really do not think league is a good spectator esport for people knowing nothing about the game, teamfights are arguably harder to follow than overwatch, idk about that point tbh.
I kinda have the exact opposite opinion of connors with Overwatch league and LCS. I tired watching League esports and while it had a lot of downtime, it didn’t make much sense, like why are the players in the middle of the map, why are they getting resources, but with overwatch league it made more sense. “Genji hit shift which allowed him to kill the opponent and the opponent couldn’t heal because of Ana’s E ability” maybe that’s just me but it’s interesting nonetheless
You just explained why you enjoy one more than the other. It's obvious you know at least some of the basics of Overwatch by explaining how to do something, so you are able to more easily decipher what's happening in the game. The two things you asked about league are the literal two most basic questions the game teaches you in the first 5 minutes of your first game. I think the more important thing to look at is how easy is it to understand the game from an outsiders perspective, especially with the help of commentary. In overwatch shit is happening all the time very fast, and because of that commentary has to skip over things and it becomes disorienting to a completely uninformed viewer, but a skilled commentator in league can explain the entire game in real time
The big turn off for the OWL for me was that it was hard to watch. Overwatch is naturally fast paced and chaotic and when I tried to tune in, it seems like they couldn't get a could shot of the action or they were having a hard time trying to figure out who to follow. You have bullets flying everywhere, maybe 3 abilities going on at the same time, and it just a lot of visual noise that makes it hard to follow any kind of action. LOL on the other hand, it has a main top down view, you can follow a certain player, and everything is streamlined to the point that it's easy to follow.
I love Charile but you are right Like bro Jojo part 1 is the best? Better rename yourself Moist"Crack"ical because you have to be doing a ton of that to come up with that take
I just realized the reason Charlie's legs look scrawny is because they're actually so muscular that the parts that aren't look scrawny in comparison. However objectively looking at his legs, they're honestly very muscular.
Cod has literally got everything the guys are talking about, massive trash talk, crazy storylines, game is simple to watch, but activision can’t get their own head out of their asses so it’s barely even mentioned in esports conversations
He started growing his hair out of spite, because one comment in a random youtube video like 4 years ago said his hair was way too long and needed to be cut
I actually discovered Charlie as a content creator because I was tasked with making mockups for Splitgate Moist skins :P
lmao split gate
Nice
@@clovers6690 man I was sad to hear they were stopping service on that game, but looking forward to seeing the next 1047 game
splitgate💀
@@a.w_.so are you jew?
As an Aussie, Charlie hiring Team Burger to play in Moist Apex is just surreal.
And the way they won their regional finals was really impressive
🍔
Charlie actually sounds intelligent when it comes to business
He literally has to be, or he wouldnt be able to maintain his youtube channel. Our dudes probably worth 8 or 9 digits if he can sac cash like this
@@LolWutMikehSM okay 9 digits calm down lmfao
@@LolWutMikehSM He's definitely not got 9 digits. But since he doesn't seem to buy a load of expensive shit he is probably worth 7/8 digits he can also take the losses of running a e sports org
@@LolWutMikehSM Bro said 8/9 digits like the range is an order of magnitude lmao. Realistically he's between 5 and 10 million.
@@aggressivelyamicable5987 imo i think he has 10 mil minimum
Moist Rocket League is one of the best performing orgs with all time players
The team over in Rocket League behind the scenes really know their stuff
Disagree with the storyline part. FGC typically has some of the best story/background hype at the top level. Nearly every top 8 you have either oldschool titans of the game or upcoming new players trying to topple them and if you are more of a frequent watcher (which is someone who would actually care about storylines vs someone just watching at the start) you usually will be able to recognize the older players
FGC will die without SonicFox
@@lebronjamesharden3958not really SF6 has been extremely popular and has brought in a boatload of new players and with Tekken and MK coming soon the FGC seems to be doing just fine
I run my own esports org in the Smash scene and my players play against Kola / Aaron / Goblin quite often in tournament. I found out about Charlie through Moist Esports and I'm very happy he's part of the scene. #staymoist 💙
#letsgetwet *
Charlie is one of the Esports owners who actively works on growing Esports as a whole, and not just his own org. Also, shout out to the smash scene who is far too underrated for being a pioneer in esports, and dealing with Nintendo's B.S.
@@tylerbarse2866 They certainly weren't a pioneer in esports. That would belong to Starcraft alone.
@@bombkita Starcraft was the first, but It wasn't quite so popular in the U.S.
Counter Strike, Melee, and Halo all came out in the 2000-2002 time period, and all 3 became major Esports, that started normalizing Esports in America.
Which org? And which players?
With Ludwig join in as part of MoistEsports would be pretty sick Garnt and Connor who also love esports hop on the Moist train and we aim for something like League in the future.
They already got Valorant if that goes well than League wouldn’t be impossible now
Always liked Charlie but after he started sponsoring melee players, he really shot up there
Up where 🤔🤨
When I think of all other eSports I'm glad I gravitated to Counter Strike, it's just the perfect combination of all factors, there's story lines, there's rivalries, there's upsets, we have banter and memes, the game is simple to understand
Let’s go Smash is getting more recognized! :D
A lot of e-sports is also like F1 the companies are happy to right off the money cause advertising, as they say win the race on the weekend the car sells on the monday
i love it when the boys are intellectual
Moist esports less go!!
Ive always liked to justify the money bleeding at esports orgs is passion and pride from the investors in the games they participate in. Which makes them turn a blind eye to the cost.
Im so curious if psyonix pays moist to use the logos, do they just pay once to liscense it or a percentage on every skin sold
I believe it's a percentage because they also have that "support a creator" function which gives a percentage of purchases to RL creators. So it would make sense that they take like 50% of the purchase, 30% goes to the platform the game is on and they probably divvy up the remaining percent to eSports orgs and creators.
Obviously percentage is ass pulled but something along those lines I'm pretty sure
Iirc car skins are percentage bases for each team.
They get 30% of the revenue :) should be the other way around but oh well
I wanna see a moist esports Starcraft 2 team, literally my favorite esport to watch
as someone who's been playing ow since launch and who used to like the esport, owl really did just strangle the organically developed esports scene that overwatch had, even now they've ignored the tier 2 scene to let it starve for years
it was actually an okay scene before owl, had a mix of the tf2 players who switched over and some fresh talent, made it real interesting. If blizzard had just let it develop into something stable for a few years then introduced the owl i think theyd be doing far better than they would have otherwise
CS:GO is a great Esport because it's very easy to watch without having knowledge of the game. It also has plenty of action and a good amount of time to explain things.
facts
Riot agrees
Except in NA
it’s also the one of the most expensive esports to get into from as an org
@@zack-cs no, you don't have to buy slots like in lol or val, so probably no. Also some people still remember about owl 20 mil initial investment
They said Fighting Games make good eSports but the $$ difference between like Tekken & Street Fighter vs. Smash is not even close. And then Smash vs. DOTA or COD isn't even close. I wish the gap would shrink or FGC would hit a nice VC bubble like some other games because they need exposure. Top Level Tekken is RIDICULOUS
look at this unit of a man. an absolute machine. build to kill.
I’ve never been a huge esport fan but I used to love siege esports. The elite penta/g2 siege team is the only time I’ve ever truly supported an esports team
Interesting convo
Everyone sleeps on the RLCS, Skill ceiling isn’t even close to being touched 7 years later. I discovered Charlie from his Rocket League team
all this talk about esports got me hyped for project L
league fighting game
"league is expensive" do I hear Mr.Beast and Moist Esports collaboration?
Charlie’s calves look fantastic
With a name like that I can't see how it could fail
Regarding esports orgs and profit, TSM is profitable from their blitz app, particularly from China, nothing to do with long term presence in league.
They aren't profitable anymore, they were profitable from partnering with FTX crypto, but since it tanked they lost several millions.
Didn’t Totalbiscuit have his own StarCraft team 10 years ago?
Drinking game!! Take a shot everytime someone says Yeah!
I tapped out in 10 mins 💀
Moist
💀
kind of cool he and his crew is doing this
After ftx went under tsm was no longer net positive they lost a 200m$ deal
I can’t believe kola got said on trash taste
This mans legs are in pain
I kinda don't understand why orgs that are literally going broke especially during covid, have to pay for these esports events.
I want quake esports to come back with a moist esports team so bad
Same :(
They really trying to say smash is easy to follow... maybe for someone that plays
Maybe the idea should be is the find out what excites people to watch and then make a game around that.
Historically, making a game for eSports usually ends badly. It’s a cool idea, but super risky.
The problem is that it has to be exciting to play as well
@@tastyfalcon1788 well that's a thing you're never going to find a game that appeals to everybody everybody has their own niche likes or dislikes and their idea of what is entertaining nothing that's too slow is going to be appealing nothing that is too fast pace is going to be interesting for long
I didn't realize he has long arms and legs with a really short torso.
super surprised charlie didnt say halo being as big of a fan as he is
moist esports csgo LETS GOOOO
Charlie looks so nervous in this
He is stuck with 3 dangerous degenerates….do you blame the man?
@@beburs what
I think he is just cold. That is why his legs are shaking a little.
He's not LOL. Even if he was he's at a 1% nervous and probably just cold or high energy
@@XxHorseshoeXx I didn't say he was, i just said he LOOKS like he his
They disrespected the K in Crit1kal
Low kal critikal
7:27 completely disagree. Altho i could b biased cuz i play overwatch.
Tbf i do agree with the $20 million dollar buy in, that is ridiculous for sure. And an ow game can be confusing if u dont know what's going on, but I feel like LoL is just as confusing if not even more confusing than Ow. You have what like 100+ characters that each hv different abilities and what it does. And each one isn't inherently obvious as to what it does. Even with the genji example like dude slices forwards and kills ppl.. not too hard to understand.
Im by no means a novice gamer either, ive been playing videogames for most of my life. Ive played league maybe like twice, ive played a few moba style games on my phone too. It's still confusing to me on wtf is going on. Especially considering in moba's the abilities are more like this does x% of total health if they r behind their enemy tower bejng invisible in the grass or something like that.
a CSGO team would be perfect
Penta loved trying random teams on random games and sell them off if the do good. Like r6
Moist esports went crazy on apex
OpTic makes money too. Maybe as much as 100T.
Kola, Goblin, Aaron my love
DOTA2 best esport for a long time
The first big one for sure. The internationals started it all.
And Dota game wasnt made with profits in mind. It was because people loved the game.
OpTic Gaming
Moist looks so small next to the anime man.
So Charlie speaks in the royal “We” now.. lol
No one told Charlie about VCT challengers? Disguised toast just self funded a team that qualified lmao
If MW2 got a Moist Esports pack I’d buy the shit outta that
I really hope charlie will stop bleeding money because of his org one day
he could easily profit on pro esports traders tbh lol
“We dont play league but we love to watch it” thats crazy to me cause LCS is so slow, i feel its even more embarrassing to watch than to play 😂
CounterStrike is the best competitive game. Maybe quake second.
I know Charlie’s an adult and it’s his decision, but it might be better to think about saving that money when you consider is income is going to be front loaded in his career. Will kids still enjoy watching his twitch when he’s 40 or 50 years old?
He has other means of income too, and I'm sure he's got a huge nest egg already 😉👌🏻
He can easily afford pouring his Twitch earnings into a project for a while
I feel like Overwatch could be a good eSport now that it is one tank and not 2 and there is a little bit more of a character turnover compared to goats but it will really need a good commentator that can execute a good balance between the play by play as well as the explanation of what is going on.
Overwatch isn't even a good game, it would be a terrible espirt game cuz all you'd see is the player staring at their Widowmaker
its a horrible spectator game, its impossible to tell what is going on because the UI is not built for spectating
What was the Valorant issue?
franchising made it so that there are only 30 teams officially sanctioned by vct
Same here idk whats Charlie referencing to
Smash kids are lucky to have people like him cause it’s always a Loss. Any fighting game is pretty much a loss of money to sponsor players.
I was always taught on my Esports course at uni that it's spelled with a capital E and not a capital S.
This isn't really scientific so spell it how you like
@@lachlank.8270 I know, just wanted to share that that's how I was taught because I found it interesting.
@@harryayling-allen it's a contraction of two words that wouldn't be capitalised normally like electronic mail becoming e-mail, i personally wouldn't capitalise it but thanks for thoughts also
I'm pretty sure the current most accepted spelling is "Esports" so your uni was on the right track
What a joke of a course
can you point me to where he confirms how much he spends?
Is saying "me and X" the norm compared to "X and I" for native english speakers? I was taught not to use the first one because it's impolite. Idk sounds like a self-centered approach.
The second while being the correct way to say it can come across as a bit formal
@@czarhavoc312 Thanks! I suppose it might be weird to some people. Happy to learn something new
You're correct but it's textbook grammar that few people ever bother with when actually talking
Colloquially either is fine these days
It makes much more sense though. "Me" is the object form, the accusative, like Latin mē, Spanish me, or German mich. "I" is the subject/nominative, like ego/yo/ich.
They did not answer the question...
They did, he uses his entire twitch income.
Damn LoL cost that much 😮😮😮
So how much damn money does he spend
If Halo doesnt die with a final nail in the coffin. Id love to see a Moist Halo team!
I really do not think league is a good spectator esport for people knowing nothing about the game, teamfights are arguably harder to follow than overwatch, idk about that point tbh.
No thats just wrong
If I was an investor I would pour my money into fighting games.
Aren't these guys all in Japan? Did Charlie go to Japan?
No they went to the US
I watch the rocket league moist esport fan. So glad Charlie puts money towards it!
I would actually cream if there was a moist esports CS:GO team
These 2 won't stop talking about league
Why did valorant shoot them selves in the foot I don’t keep up with the scene
Why does Garnt sound so different
The guy on the right doesn’t seem comfortable in his role at all
Damn, his whole Twitch revenue?! How much would that be? I'm sure he makes bank with Twitch
about 50k per month
@@a-ha4940 I doubt that, he has 14-18k active subribtions rn which makes approx. 40k that’s doesn’t even include donos
@@a-ha4940 his subscription numbers + ad revenue + donations + the frequency of how much he streams
I kinda have the exact opposite opinion of connors with Overwatch league and LCS. I tired watching League esports and while it had a lot of downtime, it didn’t make much sense, like why are the players in the middle of the map, why are they getting resources, but with overwatch league it made more sense. “Genji hit shift which allowed him to kill the opponent and the opponent couldn’t heal because of Ana’s E ability” maybe that’s just me but it’s interesting nonetheless
You just explained why you enjoy one more than the other. It's obvious you know at least some of the basics of Overwatch by explaining how to do something, so you are able to more easily decipher what's happening in the game. The two things you asked about league are the literal two most basic questions the game teaches you in the first 5 minutes of your first game.
I think the more important thing to look at is how easy is it to understand the game from an outsiders perspective, especially with the help of commentary. In overwatch shit is happening all the time very fast, and because of that commentary has to skip over things and it becomes disorienting to a completely uninformed viewer, but a skilled commentator in league can explain the entire game in real time
The big turn off for the OWL for me was that it was hard to watch. Overwatch is naturally fast paced and chaotic and when I tried to tune in, it seems like they couldn't get a could shot of the action or they were having a hard time trying to figure out who to follow. You have bullets flying everywhere, maybe 3 abilities going on at the same time, and it just a lot of visual noise that makes it hard to follow any kind of action.
LOL on the other hand, it has a main top down view, you can follow a certain player, and everything is streamlined to the point that it's easy to follow.
League is definitely much harder to understand, don’t know why he thinks the opposite.
Moist Hotashi?
They mentioned ggst
I watch charlie everyday
When did Charlie go to Japan, he makes videos like everyday
The boy was in America, this podcast was filmed during that time
I don't see why he would sign aaron bc he is not that great
Big moist
Always fascinated by people losing money in businesses because they reach big fast instead of building slowly.
not in this industry
most if not all businesses will bleed money for the first few years though. You don't want your competition to get the market share before you do.
That’s not the problem here. It’s passion project. He’s putting money into something he enjoys not trying to get the biggest return possible.
He's not "losing money" because he wants to do it. So really he's just spending money on something he likes
You lose money regardless of how you "build" your company. It's been known for ages that esports is not profitable
Clickbait 😂
why does Charlie look like he's high alching in the thumb nail
Key takeaway for the up and coming e-sports gamer: learn English
Nan da kore wa????
@@lachlank.8270 gomen, nihongo janakatta 🤷🏻♂️
Charlie's hot takes are usually hot garbage
Example?
I love Charile but you are right
Like bro
Jojo part 1 is the best? Better rename yourself Moist"Crack"ical because you have to be doing a ton of that to come up with that take
Peepeepoopoo
19th
Third
I just realized the reason Charlie's legs look scrawny is because they're actually so muscular that the parts that aren't look scrawny in comparison. However objectively looking at his legs, they're honestly very muscular.
Cod has literally got everything the guys are talking about, massive trash talk, crazy storylines, game is simple to watch, but activision can’t get their own head out of their asses so it’s barely even mentioned in esports conversations
Fourth
first
can you at least spell esports right?
Why is this guy trying to look like Jesus lol
Would you believe me if I told you that there was a time people on Facebook were posting pictures of him and saying "praise the lord"?
He started growing his hair out of spite, because one comment in a random youtube video like 4 years ago said his hair was way too long and needed to be cut
You're mistaken.
Jesus it trying to look like Charlie. 😉
don't add annoying ass music in he background when people are talking wtf