Many people will disagree but this is my honest reasoning on why melee DPS is a role I can't heavily invest time/resources into. Between weekly raid lockouts and tomestone gates it's hard for me as someone who enjoys playing a varierty of jobs to invest into any melee DPS. Maybe if Viper and Reaper shared gear I could do it but I don't want to play physical ranged nor do I want to play Ninja.
Respectfully enjoy your content was watching before your whole breakup stuff it was more enjoyable before that but life happens and kicks us all in the nuts 1. Gearing doesnt matter you have crafted and can get the clear especially if the idea is to learn a job and get good with it in a savage setting 2. Have you tried making your own group/ static no one will make things happen for you if you want it go get it do it work for it. No one owes you a static if you dont wanna go into pf make a static there are plenty of helpful resources and you are a good enough player to bring in a like minded talented group 3. Hope you are doing ok life is hard you will get over it and build something for yourself.
I can't tell if you're really tired/uploading these late at night or just giga depressed but if you are feeling sad I hope you feel better soon homie. Is painful to listen to.
I kinda love it because I can play dnc, mch, brd and viper. They share same accessory. I hate ninja but I'll level it just to throw equipment off my armoury chest.
I think you got the right idea, but I don't think the issue is "Melee" gearing, but just gearing in general in ff 14. I feel like my enjoyment of FF 14 dipped to rock bottom **as soon** as I hit current content. Gearing is just a reeeeeeeeeaaaally unecessary grind, and melee isn't the only role with that issue.
I agree.... I'm still pretty new (about 6-7 months) and the gear/gear grind is garbage. I started working on my crafters and now I'm poor ugh I may go ahead and start playing the ER DLC instead.
i feels like the word "grind" really change throught the time, that or the people just using just for anything that they couldn't get their hands on instantly
As a melee main... I get that. It gets sillier when you realise striking wants a lot more sks than maiming does, so you can't even use the same right side most of the time. Still my favourite role, but if your main has a little brother you're less fond of, you're kinda stuck.
ya, and in my case I like things where i like neither of the little brother lol. Viper (not ninja) Monk (not samurai) Dragoon (reaper is ok i guess). but i simply deal with it, gear one and still play either one. just accept the dps loss of gear on the 2nd. which often doesn't matter if you have decent starting. but if you plan to parse on it or something? it'll take you a good 4-8 more weeks for the 2nd toon. depending on when you got your first weapon
I played ninja in EW and yeah... having one gear set sucked... I'm now playing caster (mainly BLM) and it's nice that I can switch jobs and have 4 fairly diverse options available to me. I cleared M2S with SMN because progging it on BLM kinda sucked imo, but now I do my reclears on BLM and I really appreciate that I have that flexibility.
Before I say anything. Your video seems to be on youtube recommended so goodluck having an opinion I guess. Now... You're effectively complaining that a DEX job doesn't share gear with a STR job. This is not a FF14 specific thing and its not even really constructive criticism, its literally just how RPG games work. If we boiled it down to just main stat groupings, VPR and RPR still wouldn't share any gear. Even in other MMOs they usually have armour types like Cloth, Leather or Plate and you cannot equip a type that your class does not allow. The real issue is the limit on gear weekly through the tome cap and single chance to get loot each week. Its very possible for people to take 2-3 months just to gear 1 class after a raid tier drops and alts take even longer because tomestone is still capped. The issue isn't an issue for people with only 1 class they play or if they play one Role, but if you want to play a Scouting job and a Maiming job then that is 2 roles and its not realistic to expect that to ever change.
generally speaking it wont take more than 8 weeks for any shared set. . in most cases it's closer to 4-5 weeks. assuming your going for bis and raid gear. monk is one of the more egregious offenders this tier at 6.5 (so 7 weeks) that said, I don't think the tome lockout and setting should change. BIS isn't something handed to you in a couple weeks. taking 6-8 weeks for a set of gear that will last you . . 8 months roughly?. and it's deterministic on top? that's pretty reasonable. Especially since close to half way, they double the weekly cap and remove raid drop caps. which is also pretty reasonable. . . you trade rng of not knowing what you'll get and potentially taking forever to reach bis, but could be lucky and hit it in 3-5 weeks for a guaranteed bis within 8 weeks (m4s weapon drops if in a static you get it by week 8 at the latest.) that said, it is a bit inflexible for gearing multiple toons. with how ffxiv functions with everything on one toon, their isn't really a way to properly space that out over a reasonable period of time (1-2months is pretty reasonable. . if a bit rng on how many tome pieces you need).
I mean, Tanks nearly fully share gear across 4 classes Healers nearly fully share gear across 4 classes Casters nearly fully share gear across 4 classes Phys-ranged nearly fully share gear across 3 classes, partially share across 5 classes Striking near fully shares gear across 2, and partially share across 4 Same with Maiming Scouting near fully shares across 2, and partially shares across 5 It's effectively the same argument as saying "Healers are the worst role in ffxiv because you can't share gear with tanks" If you like Viper you have at least partial gear sharing with ninja, bard, dancer, and machinist. If you just don't like those classes that's fine but it's not a problem with viper. And all that's assuming you are doing the same BIS across all classes in a gearset, many classes have unique Bis's (tanks and casters are notorious for this), in which case the gear sharing becomes an active hindrance since you'd need to de-meld and re-meld to swap classes and potentially have duplicate slots.
To put it in numbers, Tanks, healers and casters all have 40 shared gear spots, Phys-ranged have 45 shared gear slots, Scouting has 35 shared gear slots, and maiming/striking both have 30 shared gear slots (assuming no duplicated slots due to different substat priorities.) And notably scouting/aiming have shared slots that spread across two entire in-game roles.... that's hard to beat.
@@BaithNa Calling melee the worst role in the game when it's the most fun it's been in terms of gameplay and how savage fights are designed because you can't swap gear between samurai dragoon and ninja is kinda unhinged. You can also high parse with just shared accessories + whatever is your preraid bis left side is. Him acting like he's gonna single-handedly make or break the group making the dps check by going down a few item levels is wild.
@@BaithNa tbf i dont mind the gearing much either, savage for me is alive for so much longer cause i have to farm 3 melee sets and not just 1. And for those that just play one of them anyway, they dont care bout the gear either
People have been trying to bring this up to Yoshi P for years and he always either acts like he doesn't get what they're talking about or they ask the question poorly. They need to either merge gear sets, make an adaptive gear system like the preorder earrings that just always have the stats for your job, or at bare minimum greatly reduce the tomestone cost of gear. In a game with 21 jobs actually encourages you to play multiple roles to your hearts content but with 7 gear types (Fending, Healing, Scouting, Maiming, Striking, Aiming, Casting) it punishes you if you dare to actually try. The more jobs get added, the less this archaic system makes sense. I've seen some people, content creators even, saying they need to raise the weekly tomestone cap. This is not a good idea. Raising the cap just punishes you in a new way by forcing you to put in twice the work farming each week. I think the price per set should be reduced by 30 - 40% to allow gearing more jobs faster. Alternatively they could put in some system where buying reduces the cost of subsequent pieces or something but why over complicate things?
I actually don't see to much of an issue with the tome stones. mostly because it's deterministic. Giving you a rough timeframe of 5-8 weeks. depending on the tier and if you use much tome gear, and if you get the weapon early . . . even less. by 8 weeks is generally the maximum if all rng hates you and you get stuff last. even in pugs because of books no, I don't think that balance needs changed at all, however better sharing of gear is something I'd likely agree with. especially on the melee side where you only get to share with 1 other and not 4 (tanks/heals/caster). monk could be a dex class and split the gear 3/3 instead of 2/2/2. . or divide it up 4/3 with a dex melee released next expansion (dont think they will though). Rather than the 2/2/2 split which is very hindering as it stands. especially since the others can split twice as many ways (3 for ranged phys. gets 4th on expansion i'm pretty sure). could even split off dex accessories to specifically ranged phys and dex based melee if that was done. don't need to change their stats just allow them to only be melee not ranged phys (only if it's a 3/3 split that eventually becomes a 4/4 split in 2-3 expansions time)
As someone who has done this gearing song and dance since HW all i can say is gearing is not friendly if you don't solidify 1 job/role as your main because it will always be time consuming in the beginning. Just because its time gated by weekly clears and cap to tomes and it unforgiving if you go half in on 1 job and than want to gear a different role because all the resources going to your main is now going somewhere else. This is a problem everyone has until they uncap tomes and take the savage of the weekly thing.
Get an alt character or two, i have one on NA to play during dead EU time and two on EU to play pf and with my static on different roles. This would literally solve all of your complaints. Calling the role that's in the best place it's been for a few years now the worst because you have brainworms is just silly. Oh and to answer your question, yeah i would 100% bring my 712 picto into reclears over my 730 samurai if i feel like playing picto. It ain't that deep.
gearing sucks no matter what role you play lmao. it's like the most brain numbing aspect of this whole game. even then, 14 allowing you to swap jobs to the one you want to gear makes it much more manageable. imagine if you had to level entire new characters like most other MMOs?
Ironically, if you want to play few jobs at high level you want actual alt characters due to how gearing works. I spent past 4 weeks gearing viper. Now if I wanna do anything on any other job than viper I'm pretty much too far behind for any pf party.
@@The_Yukki I found multiple clear partys for all 4 fights at 710 or 0 just now wdym? Join any of those or create one yourself. Gearing is a meme i swear.
Been preaching this for a while. I'd even be satisfied if they did a MNK/NIN/VPR Scouting or Maiming - SAM/DRG/RPR split. Having two per role (and honestly what's the likelihood you want to main the other melee the set is tied to?) sucks.
Too bad they cant add in DOW or DOM gear that just adjusts the stats your class would need. It could be non meldable to balance out its convenience or something.
As a RPR only player, I'm very happy with my role & job. Even to the point that i haven't even touched VPR, not interested, the same with healing & any ranged jobs. Tanking is ok as i like being face to face with bosses, but melee dps get me up close & personal with a nice amount of movement & risk which i enjoy. That's the whole point imo, play what you enjoy & don't look back. We're all different & that's what keeps the parties full at the end of the day. As for gearing, im not overly fussed as i only have the one job to gear up for. 😁 It could be done a bit better, but meh, whatever.
Honestly I completely understand your problem with the gearing bc I have always gotten healers casters aiming and tanks done before leveling my melee jobs because running extremes much less savages need you to have diversity. We already have a sage okay cool ill hop to astro or whm, we need a ranged I got it which one, we need a melee... j have... 1 job ready for it and someone else was already playing that job. Others may be in end game ilvl gear but they cant do the big boss stuff without being qualified as griefing. I feel like if the accessories from various things were easier to obtain it would make main body gearing more bearable for everyone but who knows how theyll fix it
gearing jus sucks so hard my rng has been so bad i wanna gear my healers next after my tanks but i don't even have a single tome or raid piece for them yet -.- Also hate theres nothing to do for an entire week for ppl who wanna do more savage raids i see myself looking to help others clear but you won't always find any chest groups And also to add to that i was slow on clearing m3 and m4 bc i was lazy i have 4 m3s books and 2 m4s books now and its gonna take forever to get one class to bis i wish there was some pity roll system
I'll admit this is my first raid tier so I might be completely wrong but I don't get this obsession with the gearing system. I have multiple alts that wont be geared for months and i'm doing just fine. If the dps checks were tighter then i'd understand but having week 1 gear isn't the worst thing in the world and it's definitely not griefing either. Unless you're absolute garbage on viper or resolving mechanics comes down to a coin toss then there's no reason to be anxious about anything. The gearing system isn't going to change anytime soon so why make yourself miserable by avoiding content you wanna play on jobs that might be fun? pf will run into walls, bis or not and you've cleared week one so you'll be fine.
@@alexmaganda5827If i had no idea how this worked, reality would support your claim instead of mine. I logged into Aether just now and this is what i found. Of all 4 fights listed with just clear/reclear with 710 specifically (excluding Ilvls listed as NONE and of course the million different prog groups): M1S had 1/1, M2S had 1/1, M3S had 2/5, M4S had 4/6. This is during the off morning hours, with 2 and a half days remaining on weekly reset so I'm sure you'll find a lot more during more ideal hours. I don't understand where this worry is coming from. Join any of these or create your own pf and people will join that. With all this talk of "gearing bad" I think I should try clearing the tier myself in full 710. Samurai and Viper look cool so it'll just be a matter of leveling one on a fresh dt alt or waiting for the static my main is apart of to stop doing reclears and m4 prog.
maiming and scouting sure, but you're vastly underestimating speed differences. RDM on speed BLM BiS is lowkey griefing and dumping mainstat literally does more damge. 2.00 SAM in past tiers turbodrifted all your other slaying melees. PLD at 2.40 is... actually really fun but still griefing. This is ultimately a timegating issue.
This is the first time I play melee (Reaper) in savage.... I gotta say, I have no idea how to play XD I find myself in downtime a lot and man, it is so hard to find a place in PF :P I wish I can exchange my gear to other job.....
I miss old Summoner gameplay so much. I've been slowly distancing myself from the game since that rework,and haven't even bought Dawntrail. It's just not fun to me, anymore.
I think a lot of meles are a lot of fun to play, but yeah it kinda sucks that they are hard to gear. I like both reaper and dragoon so at least they share gear. Ive been using war for savage, so it can share gear with 3 other tanks which is nice.
Yeah melee gearing is the worst among all jobs, because they have 3 different sets and each only shares on 2 jobs, but there's really no solid reason to rush completing your gear, especially if you're not going to do FRU on patch. Maybe speedrunning expert roulettes and normal raids? Haha that's silly.
From a PVE perspective I don't have issues with Melee positionals, but the fight design doesn't really have Melee in Mind. You use Savage fight with towers as a Prime example Melee in some groups has to disengage from the Boss and have downtime cause they can't get in range.
Doesn't it get balanced by damage output being generally higher? Also, you always have something to do even when disengaged. I play mnk and even tho i dont have ranged options outside of my burst buttons -in the disengage i can pump chakra for a future burst or use the skill that deals huge potency but locks me in a long cooldown afterwards. Generally not pressing a button when not in melee is either a thing because there is no targetable enemy (wich will affect everyone, not just melee) or it's just a skill issue.
That's fine, we're all allowed our opinion and this is just mine. For me this is enough to turn me away from the role as I don't want to be locked in to playing a single job that doesn't share gear with the other job in the role I enjoy. Especially with melee that takes up 2 slots if there is already a Viper in there and I can't rotate reaper I'm SOL even though I'm still a 'melee dps'. To me this isn't nothing and is a turn off.
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Many people will disagree but this is my honest reasoning on why melee DPS is a role I can't heavily invest time/resources into. Between weekly raid lockouts and tomestone gates it's hard for me as someone who enjoys playing a varierty of jobs to invest into any melee DPS. Maybe if Viper and Reaper shared gear I could do it but I don't want to play physical ranged nor do I want to play Ninja.
Respectfully enjoy your content was watching before your whole breakup stuff it was more enjoyable before that but life happens and kicks us all in the nuts
1. Gearing doesnt matter you have crafted and can get the clear especially if the idea is to learn a job and get good with it in a savage setting
2. Have you tried making your own group/ static no one will make things happen for you if you want it go get it do it work for it. No one owes you a static if you dont wanna go into pf make a static there are plenty of helpful resources and you are a good enough player to bring in a like minded talented group
3. Hope you are doing ok life is hard you will get over it and build something for yourself.
I used to love playing Ninja, but they ruined it. I changed over to Reaper, and I haven't looked back. It's so simple and fun to play
Cole you do not sound okay, maybe you should check yourself. You do great content, but always Take care of yourself
I can't tell if you're really tired/uploading these late at night or just giga depressed but if you are feeling sad I hope you feel better soon homie. Is painful to listen to.
He's pushing himself too much. Coffee and energy drinks can only take you so far.
I kinda love it because I can play dnc, mch, brd and viper. They share same accessory.
I hate ninja but I'll level it just to throw equipment off my armoury chest.
I think you got the right idea, but I don't think the issue is "Melee" gearing, but just gearing in general in ff 14.
I feel like my enjoyment of FF 14 dipped to rock bottom **as soon** as I hit current content. Gearing is just a reeeeeeeeeaaaally unecessary grind, and melee isn't the only role with that issue.
I agree.... I'm still pretty new (about 6-7 months) and the gear/gear grind is garbage. I started working on my crafters and now I'm poor ugh I may go ahead and start playing the ER DLC instead.
i feels like the word "grind" really change throught the time, that or the people just using just for anything that they couldn't get their hands on instantly
As a melee main... I get that. It gets sillier when you realise striking wants a lot more sks than maiming does, so you can't even use the same right side most of the time.
Still my favourite role, but if your main has a little brother you're less fond of, you're kinda stuck.
ya, and in my case I like things where i like neither of the little brother lol.
Viper (not ninja)
Monk (not samurai)
Dragoon (reaper is ok i guess).
but i simply deal with it, gear one and still play either one. just accept the dps loss of gear on the 2nd. which often doesn't matter if you have decent starting. but if you plan to parse on it or something? it'll take you a good 4-8 more weeks for the 2nd toon. depending on when you got your first weapon
I played ninja in EW and yeah... having one gear set sucked... I'm now playing caster (mainly BLM) and it's nice that I can switch jobs and have 4 fairly diverse options available to me. I cleared M2S with SMN because progging it on BLM kinda sucked imo, but now I do my reclears on BLM and I really appreciate that I have that flexibility.
Before I say anything. Your video seems to be on youtube recommended so goodluck having an opinion I guess.
Now... You're effectively complaining that a DEX job doesn't share gear with a STR job. This is not a FF14 specific thing and its not even really constructive criticism, its literally just how RPG games work. If we boiled it down to just main stat groupings, VPR and RPR still wouldn't share any gear.
Even in other MMOs they usually have armour types like Cloth, Leather or Plate and you cannot equip a type that your class does not allow.
The real issue is the limit on gear weekly through the tome cap and single chance to get loot each week. Its very possible for people to take 2-3 months just to gear 1 class after a raid tier drops and alts take even longer because tomestone is still capped. The issue isn't an issue for people with only 1 class they play or if they play one Role, but if you want to play a Scouting job and a Maiming job then that is 2 roles and its not realistic to expect that to ever change.
generally speaking it wont take more than 8 weeks for any shared set. . in most cases it's closer to 4-5 weeks. assuming your going for bis and raid gear. monk is one of the more egregious offenders this tier at 6.5 (so 7 weeks)
that said, I don't think the tome lockout and setting should change. BIS isn't something handed to you in a couple weeks. taking 6-8 weeks for a set of gear that will last you . . 8 months roughly?. and it's deterministic on top? that's pretty reasonable. Especially since close to half way, they double the weekly cap and remove raid drop caps. which is also pretty reasonable. . . you trade rng of not knowing what you'll get and potentially taking forever to reach bis, but could be lucky and hit it in 3-5 weeks for a guaranteed bis within 8 weeks (m4s weapon drops if in a static you get it by week 8 at the latest.)
that said, it is a bit inflexible for gearing multiple toons. with how ffxiv functions with everything on one toon, their isn't really a way to properly space that out over a reasonable period of time (1-2months is pretty reasonable. . if a bit rng on how many tome pieces you need).
I mean, Tanks nearly fully share gear across 4 classes
Healers nearly fully share gear across 4 classes
Casters nearly fully share gear across 4 classes
Phys-ranged nearly fully share gear across 3 classes, partially share across 5 classes
Striking near fully shares gear across 2, and partially share across 4
Same with Maiming
Scouting near fully shares across 2, and partially shares across 5
It's effectively the same argument as saying "Healers are the worst role in ffxiv because you can't share gear with tanks"
If you like Viper you have at least partial gear sharing with ninja, bard, dancer, and machinist. If you just don't like those classes that's fine but it's not a problem with viper.
And all that's assuming you are doing the same BIS across all classes in a gearset, many classes have unique Bis's (tanks and casters are notorious for this), in which case the gear sharing becomes an active hindrance since you'd need to de-meld and re-meld to swap classes and potentially have duplicate slots.
To put it in numbers, Tanks, healers and casters all have 40 shared gear spots, Phys-ranged have 45 shared gear slots, Scouting has 35 shared gear slots, and maiming/striking both have 30 shared gear slots (assuming no duplicated slots due to different substat priorities.) And notably scouting/aiming have shared slots that spread across two entire in-game roles.... that's hard to beat.
It is kinda wild that Healers, Tanks, and Casters can have FOUR classes on one gear set while Melee players can only have 2
Theres a lot of people that enjoy Melee for what it is, it just aint ur thing i guess
But his point still stands that gearing is far worse for melee than any other role
@@BaithNa Calling melee the worst role in the game when it's the most fun it's been in terms of gameplay and how savage fights are designed because you can't swap gear between samurai dragoon and ninja is kinda unhinged. You can also high parse with just shared accessories + whatever is your preraid bis left side is. Him acting like he's gonna single-handedly make or break the group making the dps check by going down a few item levels is wild.
Right, I can’t get behind the reasoning of this video either.
@@BaithNa tbf i dont mind the gearing much either, savage for me is alive for so much longer cause i have to farm 3 melee sets and not just 1. And for those that just play one of them anyway, they dont care bout the gear either
People have been trying to bring this up to Yoshi P for years and he always either acts like he doesn't get what they're talking about or they ask the question poorly. They need to either merge gear sets, make an adaptive gear system like the preorder earrings that just always have the stats for your job, or at bare minimum greatly reduce the tomestone cost of gear. In a game with 21 jobs actually encourages you to play multiple roles to your hearts content but with 7 gear types (Fending, Healing, Scouting, Maiming, Striking, Aiming, Casting) it punishes you if you dare to actually try. The more jobs get added, the less this archaic system makes sense.
I've seen some people, content creators even, saying they need to raise the weekly tomestone cap. This is not a good idea. Raising the cap just punishes you in a new way by forcing you to put in twice the work farming each week. I think the price per set should be reduced by 30 - 40% to allow gearing more jobs faster. Alternatively they could put in some system where buying reduces the cost of subsequent pieces or something but why over complicate things?
Sadly the Tomestone issue has been a problem since a Realm Reborn
I actually don't see to much of an issue with the tome stones. mostly because it's deterministic. Giving you a rough timeframe of 5-8 weeks. depending on the tier and if you use much tome gear, and if you get the weapon early . . . even less. by 8 weeks is generally the maximum if all rng hates you and you get stuff last. even in pugs because of books
no, I don't think that balance needs changed at all, however better sharing of gear is something I'd likely agree with. especially on the melee side where you only get to share with 1 other and not 4 (tanks/heals/caster). monk could be a dex class and split the gear 3/3 instead of 2/2/2. . or divide it up 4/3 with a dex melee released next expansion (dont think they will though). Rather than the 2/2/2 split which is very hindering as it stands. especially since the others can split twice as many ways (3 for ranged phys. gets 4th on expansion i'm pretty sure).
could even split off dex accessories to specifically ranged phys and dex based melee if that was done. don't need to change their stats just allow them to only be melee not ranged phys (only if it's a 3/3 split that eventually becomes a 4/4 split in 2-3 expansions time)
As someone who has done this gearing song and dance since HW all i can say is gearing is not friendly if you don't solidify 1 job/role as your main because it will always be time consuming in the beginning. Just because its time gated by weekly clears and cap to tomes and it unforgiving if you go half in on 1 job and than want to gear a different role because all the resources going to your main is now going somewhere else. This is a problem everyone has until they uncap tomes and take the savage of the weekly thing.
Get an alt character or two, i have one on NA to play during dead EU time and two on EU to play pf and with my static on different roles. This would literally solve all of your complaints. Calling the role that's in the best place it's been for a few years now the worst because you have brainworms is just silly.
Oh and to answer your question, yeah i would 100% bring my 712 picto into reclears over my 730 samurai if i feel like playing picto. It ain't that deep.
gearing sucks no matter what role you play lmao. it's like the most brain numbing aspect of this whole game. even then, 14 allowing you to swap jobs to the one you want to gear makes it much more manageable. imagine if you had to level entire new characters like most other MMOs?
Ironically, if you want to play few jobs at high level you want actual alt characters due to how gearing works. I spent past 4 weeks gearing viper. Now if I wanna do anything on any other job than viper I'm pretty much too far behind for any pf party.
@@The_Yukki I found multiple clear partys for all 4 fights at 710 or 0 just now wdym? Join any of those or create one yourself. Gearing is a meme i swear.
Been preaching this for a while.
I'd even be satisfied if they did a MNK/NIN/VPR Scouting or Maiming - SAM/DRG/RPR split. Having two per role (and honestly what's the likelihood you want to main the other melee the set is tied to?) sucks.
Too bad they cant add in DOW or DOM gear that just adjusts the stats your class would need. It could be non meldable to balance out its convenience or something.
As a RPR only player, I'm very happy with my role & job. Even to the point that i haven't even touched VPR, not interested, the same with healing & any ranged jobs.
Tanking is ok as i like being face to face with bosses, but melee dps get me up close & personal with a nice amount of movement & risk which i enjoy.
That's the whole point imo, play what you enjoy & don't look back.
We're all different & that's what keeps the parties full at the end of the day.
As for gearing, im not overly fussed as i only have the one job to gear up for. 😁
It could be done a bit better, but meh, whatever.
Honestly I completely understand your problem with the gearing bc I have always gotten healers casters aiming and tanks done before leveling my melee jobs because running extremes much less savages need you to have diversity. We already have a sage okay cool ill hop to astro or whm, we need a ranged I got it which one, we need a melee... j have... 1 job ready for it and someone else was already playing that job. Others may be in end game ilvl gear but they cant do the big boss stuff without being qualified as griefing.
I feel like if the accessories from various things were easier to obtain it would make main body gearing more bearable for everyone but who knows how theyll fix it
gearing jus sucks so hard my rng has been so bad i wanna gear my healers next after my tanks but i don't even have a single tome or raid piece for them yet -.- Also hate theres nothing to do for an entire week for ppl who wanna do more savage raids i see myself looking to help others clear but you won't always find any chest groups
And also to add to that i was slow on clearing m3 and m4 bc i was lazy i have 4 m3s books and 2 m4s books now and its gonna take forever to get one class to bis i wish there was some pity roll system
I'll admit this is my first raid tier so I might be completely wrong but I don't get this obsession with the gearing system. I have multiple alts that wont be geared for months and i'm doing just fine. If the dps checks were tighter then i'd understand but having week 1 gear isn't the worst thing in the world and it's definitely not griefing either. Unless you're absolute garbage on viper or resolving mechanics comes down to a coin toss then there's no reason to be anxious about anything. The gearing system isn't going to change anytime soon so why make yourself miserable by avoiding content you wanna play on jobs that might be fun? pf will run into walls, bis or not and you've cleared week one so you'll be fine.
@@bunpr5662 bc you have no idea how this works it won't take long and no one will let you join with ilvl 710
@@alexmaganda5827If i had no idea how this worked, reality would support your claim instead of mine. I logged into Aether just now and this is what i found. Of all 4 fights listed with just clear/reclear with 710 specifically (excluding Ilvls listed as NONE and of course the million different prog groups): M1S had 1/1, M2S had 1/1, M3S had 2/5, M4S had 4/6. This is during the off morning hours, with 2 and a half days remaining on weekly reset so I'm sure you'll find a lot more during more ideal hours. I don't understand where this worry is coming from. Join any of these or create your own pf and people will join that.
With all this talk of "gearing bad" I think I should try clearing the tier myself in full 710. Samurai and Viper look cool so it'll just be a matter of leveling one on a fresh dt alt or waiting for the static my main is apart of to stop doing reclears and m4 prog.
bad title makes this look like click bait
Regardless if I agree or not these opinions are fascinating. Especially with the major changes comming 8.0 this is an interesting time in ffxiv.
maiming and scouting sure, but you're vastly underestimating speed differences. RDM on speed BLM BiS is lowkey griefing and dumping mainstat literally does more damge. 2.00 SAM in past tiers turbodrifted all your other slaying melees. PLD at 2.40 is... actually really fun but still griefing. This is ultimately a timegating issue.
Thems fighting words
This is the first time I play melee (Reaper) in savage.... I gotta say, I have no idea how to play XD I find myself in downtime a lot and man, it is so hard to find a place in PF :P I wish I can exchange my gear to other job.....
I miss old Summoner gameplay so much. I've been slowly distancing myself from the game since that rework,and haven't even bought Dawntrail. It's just not fun to me, anymore.
I think a lot of meles are a lot of fun to play, but yeah it kinda sucks that they are hard to gear. I like both reaper and dragoon so at least they share gear. Ive been using war for savage, so it can share gear with 3 other tanks which is nice.
This is a you problem
"A person who doesn't play melees rants about Viper." Better title.
Yeah melee gearing is the worst among all jobs, because they have 3 different sets and each only shares on 2 jobs, but there's really no solid reason to rush completing your gear, especially if you're not going to do FRU on patch. Maybe speedrunning expert roulettes and normal raids? Haha that's silly.
From a PVE perspective I don't have issues with Melee positionals, but the fight design doesn't really have Melee in Mind. You use Savage fight with towers as a Prime example Melee in some groups has to disengage from the Boss and have downtime cause they can't get in range.
Doesn't it get balanced by damage output being generally higher? Also, you always have something to do even when disengaged. I play mnk and even tho i dont have ranged options outside of my burst buttons -in the disengage i can pump chakra for a future burst or use the skill that deals huge potency but locks me in a long cooldown afterwards. Generally not pressing a button when not in melee is either a thing because there is no targetable enemy (wich will affect everyone, not just melee) or it's just a skill issue.
Melee is great for pvp. I agree that it is garbage for pve. I'd rather heal, tank, or go phys ranged.
Dude is whispering into his mic like his mom told him to turn off the computer and go to bed 30 minutes ago
You don't realize he's severely depressed do you?
@@DeclanRese who isnt?
@@DeclanReseShould still be here pulling it together. I don't get to drag ass at my job because I'm bummed out.
LOL i was thinking the same thing about the whispering
what a nothing burger LMFAO
That's fine, we're all allowed our opinion and this is just mine. For me this is enough to turn me away from the role as I don't want to be locked in to playing a single job that doesn't share gear with the other job in the role I enjoy. Especially with melee that takes up 2 slots if there is already a Viper in there and I can't rotate reaper I'm SOL even though I'm still a 'melee dps'. To me this isn't nothing and is a turn off.
@@ColeEvyx bro its not even his POV i came here lf explanation on why the gear was bad and u didn't even mention it. total clickbait