How to PROPERLY TENSION YOUR RIGGING on a catamaran - Episode 142
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode we get a professional rigger and surveyor to guide us through the process of tensioning our rig after repairing the broken bulkheads on our Lagoon 450 catamaran. He advises us that the worst possible thing to do on a catamaran is to over tension the rig, as the results are catastrophic, as we have seen many times before on other multihulls, and may even have contributed slightly towards the failure of our bulkheads, however seeing as hundreds of other lagoon 450's have broken bulkheads, it appears that the underlying issue is deeper than just the rigging...
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SV Parlay is a hurricane damaged Lagoon 450 catamaran, which Colin rebuilt with friends and has started sailing around the world. They found bulkhead damage on their catamaran in Panama, so have fixed her up, and are almost ready to cross the Pacific Ocean!!
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Edited by Colin
I first started watching your channel 3 years ago age 29 I was paralysed from chest below paraplegic from a spontaneous hematoma in my spine I was a gym lover you got me threw 1 year in hospital 2 years recovery they gave me 15% chance to ever walk again I'm now 3 half months back in the gym walking benching squatting loving life again you and your channel have got me threw some dark nights and days I thank you for that and it was nice what you did for Jaime with the boat name all the love and support from me 🇬🇧 🏴 thank you
Never give up, glad you have the will, the strength and the blessings to keep going forward.
Congratulations
Cheers, what a nice message. Glad you're feeling better
Amazing!
What a amazing testimony to your commitment to life.
So happy for you.
Colin, That man is an amazing speaker. I could listen to him all day. He kept everything simple and easy to understand. Willing to teach you and David how to do this was so very generous. Most people, I would think would just say " Call me when you need me and pay the bill". You are going to be so confident going forward with this knowledge. God Bless and keep having fun!
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Sort of dude you would do an apprenticeship under
Seriously, so interesting
Not only that he made it simple and removed all the complex math so that sailors of the same type of boat can check their rigging. New rigging does stretch.
Colin, what a brilliant outcome for you and your surveyor was a giant. How simplistic can anyone make the subject of rigging. Just brilliant.
Love it when an expert actually teaches and passes on his knowledge rather that keeping it all to themselves.
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He does, because he is on "TV". All riggers I know (3 in one week checking my rigg !!!), said, you need improvement.
@@Anne6621 It's called a Loos gage.
Contrary to what this guy is saying, measuring the rig tension and comparing it to the manufacturers specification is the best way to know your rig is tuned correctly.
I wouldn't rely on "Instinct".
@@Bd1ddy1 You are absolutely correct. This Mike Barker was absolutely thin air. "trust your instincts" and "listen to your boat" ... hahahah. Now, my problem is to get specs for my Lagoon...
Colin Macrae you’re a damn good man and you should be commended by every catamaran owner who watches this video for the invaluable amount of rigging information you just freely shared with the world!! 🤙
This guy is incredible. As someone in the process of studying (always) to be a better surveyor with a new business, I hung on his every word. Fantastic.
That guy knows his stuff. Would be interested for him to have his channel surveying boats!
I think he's Poseidon in human form to repay Colin for that lightning hit.
That rigger was awesome and was so nice of him to be on camera. The information he shared was absolutely invaluable. Safe travels guys!
Please repeat what you learned! He said nothing!
I was waiting for that episode to finally close the bulkhead series, thanks for making it so detailed. Finding the sweet spot between static and dynamic load makes much sense from an engineering point of view and the final measurement should calm down anybody who claimed you made the boat too rigid.
@@lomaii2847 I am reporting you every time I see this crap on TH-cam
Great job on getting Parlay finally fixed. Here's to many years of happy sailing Colin.
Must feel so good to have a pro like that validate all the hard work. Now please, go sailing!!!
This story that you have documented regarding your bulkheads and repair, is simply amazing! Kudos to you, and all who have helped!
I was on a boat where the front half and the back half were build in a different shipyard. They were brought together on the water, drifted together and welded while floating. Then the complete boat was placed in a dry dock. When the water was pumped out the bow was more than a meter above the dock blocks. To cover up that bending of the boat they made a cut through the bow above the bulb and lowered it on the blocks. Then thy closed the gap. Later they did find out that the boat originally was perfect straight but the dry dock was curved... I only can congratulate you on the superb quality you have reached. That rigger is super. The praise he gave on your work was the confirmation on what was clear. You did it right!
I’m a rigger here in Costa Rica, and I was waiting patiently for this video…. I was also specting Mike to work on your boat.. his comments were so spot on and it seems that with his detailed explanation you now have enough knowledge to understand how your rig works and should perform on your boat…. Hope to see you around in 🇨🇷
Ok, Mr. rigger. Could you repeat the 'spot on' comments that was so useful? Other that don't overtension, 'trust your instinct' and 'listen to the boat'...
@@MrGentlebutfirm yeah well, these boats have been full of surprises.. there is a really fine line between leaving it too loose so the mast base will start moving, and tightening it a bit more and hurting the boat…,
I remember your comment that the yard manager said "At what point do you walk away from the boat?". Well all your hard work has paid off. Glad to see you on your way again, you (and crew) should feel suitably pleased with yourselves. Congratulations!
Well done guys. So very proud of not only the work you put in, but making this public and putting a huge voice to the issue. Any Lagoon owners that are bitching, just want to keep their head in the sand to reality. Happy Sailing!! 🍺🍾
Former Navy Chief Engineer and I can attest that the boat does talk to you, over time you can tell when things are not right, by sound. Many times i have been asleep in my bunk and woke up just before engineering alarm went off. You guys and gals are killing it.
What a true gem of a gentleman to have onboard to do your rig . So wonderful to see how much he enjoyed sharing his knowledge.can you smell the Pacific yet !?! It’s so close!! What an incredible journey your taking us all on ! Thanks Colin
Fair Winds ⛵️
And there we go proof is in the pudding or the fly bridge in this case so happy that parlay got a Stella review from someone with so much experience you have got to be chuffed with that quietest lagoon his ever been on also speaks volumes so happy for you all cant wait to see more sailing coming soon
To teach is to learn twice and touch a life forever. 🎓🤟 Thanks, Mike. 🍻
This video was fascinating. Everything I know about sailing I have learned from the MacRae/Parlay University of Sailing and I'm just enthralled. Your rigger, Mr Mike was excellent at explaining and a wealth of knowledge, made complete sense even to someone with zero experience. Thank you for sharing that with us.
Well done for fixing the boat and a big plus giving all the local Panama boat engineers, maintenance and surveying people the recognition they deserve and attracting the people to the Panama shipwrights and how well they work. Now time to start having fun! :)
Good job guys, don’t forget to put a charge dissipator up the mast to reduce the chances of lightning strikes and flush vinegar in the head to prevent scale buildup and clogging.
Good sailing!
Our next boat will be fresh water flush. Vinegar slowed the buildup but was hard to get in Europe.
@@svroundabout ????? Vinegar is hard to get in Europe. In every supermarket you can get up to a dozen different brands, from plain cheap ones to Italian chef quality!
@@johnmayer3433 In very small containers. Not like going into a Costco in the US and picking up 2 gallons for $5. When we found it, it was like 5 euro for one liter. We spent year sailing the Med, mostly Greece but also Italy and Spain.
Finally! Congrats again! Guy was ultra cool & a wealth of knowledge. His approach is real world as well. Glad to see and clear skis ahead
I have watched you all through this difficult rebuild. Your tenacity and work ethics are so impressive! Now is the time to celebrate and enjoy you beautiful cat! Thanks for taking this land locked granny on this journey with you. Safe sailing!
Colin hired Sean Connery to tune the rigging. Parlay's YT Channel should be narrated by this man. His voice is authoritative, but extremely soothing. Seeing Parlay's sails under wind, again, is a beautiful sight! Cheers from WA 🇦🇺.
That's the way I learned to tune my rig on my first boat, a Prindle 16 cat, by feel. Because the rig had to come down at the end of each sailing day in order to trailer home, I got lots of practice. Tighten the shrouds but leave a minor amount of slack. With mainsail hoisted, put wind pressure on the beam and take 50% of the slack out of the downwind shrouds. The flip the boat around and do the same thing with the other side. Repeat the process as you incrementally take less and less slack out on each side in sequence until the slack is gone, but only put enough tension in to keep the upwind shroud from pumping under load. Same principle applies to monohulls, but there's less risk over bending the boat due to over-tightening and you want a bit more tension at rest because of the shrouds being more vertical.
Colin, it's been a pleasure to watch you fix your Lagoona 450 and I look forward to watching your next adventures. Cheers
You managed to invite a fine rigger! Most sound advice: "Don't over-tension the rig!".👌
Bare in mind that in heavy seas, in strong wind, that tension will be much higher. You need to give the hull-rigging combination being able to cope with that.
Yes under 5mm, you & Jamie did an amazing job at making her straight & strong. The boat talks to you, wise words. Fair winds Parlay ⛵
200 000 subscribers! Wow! Well deserved!
You not only got Parlay rigged but you got valuable lessons in the how and why of proper rigging. You got the right man for the job for sure. And Congrats on a job well done. 5mm of deflection is super. I believe this is the first time I have heard David say that he got his Lagoon because of you. Good to see him near the end of his bulkhead journey as well. Looking forward to seeing you guys in the Pacific again. Stay safe and have fun.
What a pleasure to have followed your "journey" and to share the result. Huge congratulations to you all on your "Jamie 650 ".
Great episode on rig tensioning for a cat. I hope you can now enjoy the fruits of your labour , I can't wait to see your friend "Captain Jamie" back on board Parley . Good luck to you all. It was quite emotional to see the drone shots of her under sail again, knowing what you have gone through
Good luck to you all.
When I tune I start by making sure top of mast is centered over the boat and that all threads on turnbuckles are lubed. Then as I tighten I count turns so that each side gets equally tightened and mast stays centered and straight. Then at some point when the rig is nearly as tight as it needs to be , I measure the distance each turnbuckle is open with a precision caliper and record this as a base number. Then any future tuning is done by comparing the new tune to base tune. I also use a gauge, but don't rely on it . If ever confused just go back to base and start over. Tensions on halyards, boom weights etc screw with the gauge. Measurements are best to use for repatabilty. Then you go sailing and do it again a few more times, this time recording headstay sag and heel of boat. Ok a bit much but recording what you do is a big help. Also you want to look at mast and sheet leads and determine the look the exact same on opposite tacks in stead the wind
Yeah, a gage or measurement is a necessity. I would never tune my rig on "Instinct" . What horrible advice this guy is giving.
Very helpful to other boaters. Glad you have priority of honesty and community first.
It's great that his wealth of knowledge is being handed down and not lost forevermore,
Regards and respect to all on Parlay...
Bring back Jamie.....
That’s very similar to how we tension ours. Tighten the leeward side just enough to hold it taut. I have set it up and gauge-tested it so I know a good starting point by gauge. Geminis have been broken by riggers using monohull tension (20% of breaking strength) because of the relatively light build and leverage due to beam. I feel much better about my methods having seen this, so thanks!!!
I can't explain just how much joy it brings me to see you finally on the water and getting to enjoy all your labor. You have accomplished something truly amazing with this refit and now I own what I believe to be the best Jamie to have the Lagoon manufacture attached to it. I am so happy and can't wait to see your further adventures. I have to say even though I know I could spend days or weeks just hanging out with you and your crew I'd love to have the opportunity to sit and have a few beers with Mike. That man is a wealth of knowledge that you just can't get in from a school or courses. His real life in actual practice tips and tricks are on a whole other level from what you normally can get. I could spend endless hours just listening to that man's stories and experiences and I'd be willing to bet at the end of such an experience anyone would be a better more educated sailor. Mike if you read this thanks for imparting your vast experiences to Colin as he truly is an amazing young man who's now at the beginning of a life changing dream...
Fair winds, following seas, safe travels and God Bless...
Had to add:
Mike you're amazing in that you wish to pass on your expansive knowledge to the next generation in stead of guarding it and keeping it to yourself. So many things today are dying arts many of them due to those who would not pass on knowledge for the fear of loosing profit. You my friend are willing to give freely what you know to those who're smart enough to listen and learn. Thank you for that you're truly an amazing individual with a love for what you do, the knowledge to do it correctly and the ability to impart that knowledge onto others in a way that is easy to understand and engaging. Never change sir, never change but continue to learn as it is obvious you do...
Love it, “ There’s your answer. The boat talks to you.”
Thanks for sharing.
Love that solar hardtop guys what a well designed functionally working addition to your boat!
so nice to see the sails up
I would venture to say you've got the stoutest 450 on the briney blue. Mike's generosity with his hard won knowledge is laudable. Fair winds and following seas!
Mike is the nicest person ever 👍👍🙏🇬🇧
What a wealth of knowledge and what a wonderful way he has of sharing it. Fantastic.
Colin your attention to all the details in not just the repair but to strengthen your boat but to let the manufacturer also be aware is truly cool.. To end up at only 5 mill's deflection is a win 👍👍
It's always a big call to invite someone onto your boat/home to do work & give advice. You always wonder is this the right guy. After just a few minutes of listening you know this is the guy. Obviously, as he said he had seen some of your repairs you already had some knowledge of him, so lucky to have him available in your location.
Mike is a great teacher. Congrats again on having toughest ship in the sea!
Wow, what a difference in your measurement of the flex, that is incredible. Well you now know without a doubt that your boat is ready for a long life of sailing. Colon, you and your team have done a tremendous job of fixing the bulkheads, job well done!
Awesome…pure and simple. Bring on the Pacific🙏
Couldn’t agree more when he said ”your boat talks too you” exellent work you all have completed. Good luck with the rest of your journey! and always remember to listen to your boat.
Absolutely loved that guy, what a great bloke sharing his wealth of knowledge. You occasionally meet people like that with a kind of abundance mentality. Great episode and well done getting it this far. You've earned a sail I think.
I am so happy for Parlay to be back in the water Colin see you in Perth one day.
Once you're done with the fine tuning of the rig tension, I estimate you will see about 10-12 mm gap between the straight line and bridge deck (in the middle). Fine tune with full sails up in winds around 4-5 Bft at the most. Keep tacking until you have it right (as instructed by the rigger). A little bow in the forestay is not uncommon. The sailmaker should have accounted for that. Note that with stronger winds you'll probably reduce sail area, and with that the pressure on the rig. With reduced sails in stronger winds, the tension (and slack in downwind rig) should be about the same. As soon you have some heavy weather on your next trip, go below and check your bulkheads, doors, and anything else for movement. Use eyes, ears and your hands on the surfaces to "feel" the boat. Now, of you go! Looking forward to the next adventures. Safe sailing to all of you.
Good Evening Colin.
Was an Absolute Pleasure to listen to him Explain to Us All.
Huge Thanks to Mike for Sharing His Knowledge.
Colin wishing Both You And All On Board A Wonderful And Safe Trip.
Fair Winds And Following Sea Mate.
Greetings from Trinidad 🇹🇹
That 18mins went so fast, haha getting greedy wishing they were longer.been so fascinating watching the progress of parlay! Can’t wait for next week!
You Guys knocked those Repairs out of the Park. Great JOB Guys...Wow. Great Video Thank You for taking us along...
you faced so much adversity but the wisdom you now have is invaluable! So many rewards.
Such sound advice from Mike, it was a pleasure to hear. I have spent my life building, sailing and fishing in boats, now in my mid 70's and still at it. Hopefully one day we will see pull into Mooloolaba Queensland and we can buy you a beer.
This has to be so satisfying, if I had pulled off something like this I would be over the moon! Beautiful job on the boat and the sugar scoops were so worth the trouble..this is a one of a kind 450 and I know how proud all you guys are that rebuilt it..amazing grit and fortitude..
We may be a small country but Kiwis are everywhere, great information shared.
Congratulations Colin on the successful rebuild of the Lagoon! Wishing you and the crew all the best and many great times ahead 🚀🌊👍
Col, as much as we enjoyed you taking us through all your repairs on the hard, it is nice to see Parlay under sail. Great achievement and thanks for taking us on your journey.
Soooo satisfying when you work your ass off fixing a problem and it is completely successful. Great job to all who lived this job month after month.
Mike is a legend!!
I would not trust him for a second!
Mike the legand himself so glad to see his face!
Always been a powerboater myself, but I have enjoyed your videos immensely and have learned so much. You have made me feel a part of your trials and triumphs as well. Sailing is looking more appealing to me now. Keep up all your work, and I wish you success in the grand adventures you are living.
Congratulations on 200 thousand subscribers!!!!!!!!
colin 5mm is damn good . you should be proud of all your work
that rigger is a legend
*GREAT SOUNDING CHARACTER, LISTENING TO GUYS LIKE THIS WHOS DONE THE JOBS FOR 40+ IS AMAZING, RESPECT TO HIM AND YOUS ALL COLIN. SCOTLAND*
Colin your the man! I’ve watched you for close to two years now and I couldn’t be happier for you! I just wish Jamie were with you to enjoy the “fruits” of his labor too. I’m sure he’ll at least be back to visit. You all are the best!
Great work Colin and Jamie .... Such a pleasure to see just how rigid the Boat is now .... Mike.... what a Wonderful Chap, so much information so freely given .... Very Best to ALL from ChCh NZ
So happy to see that rigger confirm … it’s not rocket science, and listen to your boat. The one time I hired a rigger, he way over tightened. I listened to my gut and gave them more slack. SAIL!
Having Mike come out and give his philosophy on Rigging was perfect. It isn't this huge mystery and no one should be afraid of it! Get the mast straight and in column, and set the rake angle only with light tension... then sail it. Judge the tension by the LEEWARD shrouds. Perfect. I do synthetic rigging and I never use Loos Gauges, Dyneema can be very tight while never feeling as tight as wire does. The rule for any type of rigging, They Aren't Piano Wires!
That dude is a legend! It is a one in a million opportunity to have someone check your boat. He is super knowledgeable but never seemed to be an a-hole about it.
I've heard some people in my life... its something about their voice, their calmness, SOMETHING... than its CLEAR that when those persons are giving you advice, is NOT the actual person talking, is the WISDOM talking.... AMAZING!!! (then they ask for a beer!!! much more amazing!!!) CONGRAAAAATS!!!
Colin, you have done so much for people. I know you feel that you were just doing what you needed to do for your own boat. But by sharing all that you have done, staying true to your principles, weathering all the hate and negativity that you received, you have brought to light a serious issue that could be saving some lives. Your hard work and dedication is to be commended. You, good sir, have changed the world. Even if you feel it is only in some small part, you are a hero.
Another quality video, that gentleman had a wealth of knowledge and so willing to show you guys in a clear and concise manner how to help yourselves with any slight tuning at sea. Come on Colin let's see some sailing
That was like watching a bird fly again after rehabilitation. Awesome. Happy sailing
What a awesome guy so practical and down to earth and loves to pass on his knowledge not arrogance and doesn't Lord his knowledge over you
o gosh, watching her under sail made my eyes leak. i watch you and leo every sunday from my desk in frozen montana, tally ho getting her whiskey plank and watching parley stretch her wings brought tears of joy and wonderment. and for jamey wherever you are, look what you and colin did. omg you made this pandemic, isolation and winters home in the frozen north slightly more bearable. massive respect and love.
The surveyor/ rigger was so helpful. An immediate like of this man. He made things very understandable. And Colin to you and your mates-- nocely done sir. Nicely done.
Missed your intro monologue. I think it is one of the best intros on TH-cam. Let’s us know who you are as a person from the first minute. I look at the decisions I make and asked myself will I regret my decision. This is a question I did not really ask myself before watching your channel. I understand you are trying to improve production quality but please do not lose the best thing you have going: you.
Thank you for such an instructive episode.
What a brilliant guy! Great speaker and eager to explain! Loved your rebuild episodes and looking forward to see you sailing again! Good luck, Colin!!
Congrats on getting Parlay straightened out! A lot of work and well worth it, now you can enjoy the fruits of your labor! Also, great edit on this video. I like the new shorter intro.
Congratulations Colin! What a feeling to have the boat back in the water with minimal deflection!
I may not be there with you and giving my help. But I am a little bit emotional right now that you have taken a twice broken boat and made it into a MODEL of an excellent sailing vessel. My heart is in the ocean but my past won't let me sail anymore. My heart is there on THAT VESSEL. ☺☺☺👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Super great to see it all coming together Colin all that hard work has paid off man. Everyone that has worked on Parley or has given something it's just mind blowing the generosity we still have in the world.
Once again, thank you & happy adventures!
That was pretty cool and the work you all have put in has definitely paid off!
I reckon this is the #1 key test so far showing that your hard work and dedication has 100% paid off. You could argue that prudence would involve continued assessment of repaired areas for cracks and the deflection test, to truly be sure. But if you'd cocked it up badly it'd be showing already, big static forces at play and even in a light sail. Top marks Colin n Co. Proud you're a Kiwi.
Mike the rigger a man with a mountain of knowledge explained in a simple way
Help me out with that knowledge. I have sailed all my life and tuned many a racing boat. This guys said ZERO.
Great insight. Once again. Just one other wealth of knowledge.
Colin, Those sugar scoops look awesome! Great Job!
There’s an eyelet at the base of the crescent wrench’s handle suitable for threading a lanyard through, put other end of lanyard on a carabiner and attach to railing -might save watching it sink some day. Just a thought.
Rigger was amazing. Good find.
A sail when up and catching wind has always looked like an enormous "billboard" to me. Can't believe companies aren't lined up to capture that advertising space especially on Parlay with its large viewership and loyal following? I'd be selling it to the highest bidder and having some incredible looking and performing sails! Good job Colin and Team Parlay, every video gets us all closer to sailing the world with you.
Super helpful. Really appreciated how the Rigger/Surveyor taught you - really us- to listen to the boat, and how to do that. Thanks for sharing all that information!
A true craftsman is one who knows their job so well they can break down their knowledge into simple terms than anyone can understand and put into practice. Well done on all the work you put into engineering and carrying out the repairs to your boat. The absolute best of luck in all your future travels! Cheers!
I don't know anything about boats but have been watching this channel for a while and enjoy it a lot. When the boat was pulled out and set on the stands , the amount of tension that had to be released on the rigging to let the sponsions relax to near plumb again was an immediate factor that I noticed and at that time surmised that is what broke the boat.