The first thing I thought of as the post was read was watching my grandmother pound every shake into place on the roof of our garage. I watched her turn a herd of stampeding cattle away from the road by herself. She couldn't sew a straight seam but she could prune any tree, fruiting or landscaping. I entered adulthood knowing how to tear down and reassemble a toilet, fix a washing machine, buck hay, and anything else needed doing. I know how to pick up a phone and find help if I need it too. -- Last week the Chamber of Commerce stated "job openings are going unfilled because the U.S. does not have enough workers to fill them." Don't forget, we lost a bunch of laborers 4 years ago in a mismanaged pandemic. Now, trump says he will start his mass deportations, shipping millions more laborers out of the country. What could possibly go wrong!?
Btw those men who boast about being able to do women's work too and "just as well if not BETTER" are the same men who actually will not be thorough with said work. For example, dishes will still be dirty after washing, kids will be fed unhealthy food most likely take out or home delivery or something like sugary cereal instead of healthy home cooked meals. Vaccuuming and mopping is done half assedly. The list goes on. And then there's their not so secret option to get out of doing said work: Weaponized Incompetence.
They do it badly so they won't have to do it again! I didn't step into that kind of trap! "Oh, you did not quite manage - you'll have to do it again for training!"😂
Or he does it once in a blue moon and goes "I do the same work it aint that hard." Not every day and multiple times a day the men I know who were like that then had to do it every day and multiple times bunt out faster in like 1 month or less and then tried the excuse of , "I'm depressed I can't do everything today/this week/this month/this year." men can't handle women's work that's why they gave it to women to do cuz she has stamina and they kept her out of the work force cuz she has stamina more then several men. Those indestructible bombers from WW2 were put together by women.
This dude is so delusional. Speaking as a housewife myself, yeah there's some types of household labor that I don't have the skills to do, so I call in professionals. It has literally nothing to do with gender lol, my husband is generally *less* skilled at manual labor than me considering I'm the one scrubbing floors, washing windows, raking leaves, shoveling snow, plunging toilets, mowing the lawn, buffing the car, etc. and he works a job where he mostly types on computers. Beyond the societal stigma of 'women's work' vs. 'men's work', the actual nitty gritty of it is an issue of skill set, training, experience etc, not gender.
it does in the sense the trades gated themselves off to women who were openly women cuz they wanted their own specialty to control people with cuz notice the trades they can charge whatever they want you have to pay they can feel important and if your a woman they can get laid to fix your roof, let you in your home or car, fix your car those sterotypes of the woman fucks the tradesman wasn't a meme it was sometimes thats what the men demanded of her and if she couldn't pay they'd "help" her out by helping himself out. They still gate off these jobs I applied to many trades jobs and they were happy at first but as soon as they found a man they said they were not interested in hiring me why hire me if they can get a dude in and keep the gendered flat lined. The trades and trucking also rape their women employees often too and some women were told if they didnt' want to have sex with their mentor or trainer he'd not pass them and those that raped their trainees passed them as well.
I was a stay at home dad for 15 years. Performing a majority of the domestic chores, car repairs and house remodeling allowed us a lot of recreation time when my wife wasn't working. We used that time to give our kids incredible experiences. We have a fun, loving and peaceful household. I've been to every school conference, concert, carnival, sports game, etc. for my kids except one when I was sick. Wouldn't trade that for all the money in the world. Maybe all I really needed to be awesome was a huge compensation truck and scraggly ass beard. Lol.
One thing that illustrates that house work is work…you need to pay someone a wage if you choose not to do it yourself, or have not yet found a subservient wife. This is not rocket science and doesn’t require a PhD in economics. I’ve always cleaned my own place because I don’t want others messing with my shyt, and I’ll do the job right. I also fix my place, contractors are the last option.
In regards to agricultural labor done by immigrants...here in FL there was a law signed by Deathsantis that had a lot of migrant laborers (documented and undocumented) leave the state. They didn't want to deal with it and I don't blame them. I've seen fields where the crop was left to rot because there was no one to pick it. The normal planting schedules have been changed due to the lack of farm workers. If stupid does what he promises, there's going to be a lot of farmers that go under because there will be no one to prep, plant, tend and harvest the crops. You get what you vote for.
My father in law once put an aluminum pie plate in the recycling. My mother in law keeps those for cooking, and he knows that. He was making sure she never again asked him to put his dishes in the sink. Let's not forget the fact that he's saying he would have to pay someone to do the housework around his house. I got really lucky with my husband. He wasn't ever really taught how to clean but he does clean and he takes direction on it. He has always helped me around the house and I think it's because he took the right lessons from his childhood and seeing that his father never helped his mother and saw her shoulder all the household labor.
When we had our roof replaced back in August...the crew lead UP ON THE ROOF and DOING THE THING was a 60 year old woman who had been with the company for YEARS. That roof hero 'husband' needs to take SEVERAL seats.
As the stay-at-home parent who is on-call 24/7 to do childcare duties for all the kids and (normally) all the "maid" stuff too, let's roll with this. 24 hours in the day x 30 days in a month x 20 bucks an hour That comes out to $14,400 a month for being on-call 24/7 with no vacation days, no guaranteed bathroom breaks alone, and no weekends or sick days off. It might be a steel man scenario, but the point stands.
Over $100 per HALF an hour in PA that man can't pay Lahara a $20 to suck him off he's paying her $400 to clean his horde house and he can't afford her!
I’ve been loving your perspectives so much!! I feel like I’m losing my mind. I don’t understand why Trump and all the cruelty is all normalized. Time magazine just put him on the cover. ABC paid him 15 mil in slander lawsuit? Can you please speak to how this is possible? I feel like I’m in an alternate reality over here!! Ever since he got elected I’ve been starting to feel like I’m in the wrong, but I thought racism and sexism were wrong but everyone supported him.
I've dug up and repaired the main water line three times in three separate places... all by myself, with no male help and no pay. And I still do all the house chores and yard work while taking care of my disabled dad.
It will be interesting to see how the degree of impact will differ between regions. I know my area has a pretty low population of undocumented individuals, so the impact may be noticeably less then some other areas
Mark my words trump will try to punish the economy of blue states and businesses that didn’t support him. I am willing to bet he will close an eye (or two) for the big employers of immigrants who will go to Maralago to kneel, kiss his ar$e and ‘bear gifts’. In authoritarian regimes laws are not applied equally: they are cudgels to be used selectively against enemies.
Lol my sister does all the handyman, mechanic work and housework, she also has 5 kids. And her husband COMPLAINS if he has to watch them. She also pays the majority of the bills. I do this stuff too but my little sister just does so much more and has more kids. Men don’t all know how to do all these men’s handiwork types of things or are able to “provide”. I am in the breadwinner. And dollars to donuts his wife either taught him how to do laundry or has to rewash it much of the time. Like I have with mine.
I worked in healthcare and then was a healthcare union organizer for a while. Let's discuss how MAs do the worst work, are almost entirely minority women, and start at $18/hour. Nurses who are much more yt and probably 30% male start around $50/hour. If that wasn't bad enough the MAs cap at $22/hour and nurses at $75/ hour across the same 25 year career.
Nurses have more responsibility and liability, which is one of the reasons I changed career goals before graduating as a nurse. Nurses have to administer the medications to patients and are held responsible for mistakes administered even if it was what the doctor ordered and what the pharmacist sent. The nurse is still held responsible if it was an inappropriate dose or the wrong medication (again, even if that dose and medication are what was ordered by the doctor) They are also the ones held responsible for the safety and care of patients they often don't even get to monitor properly due to understaffing. Yes, MAs should get paid more, but let's not compare it to nursing because it starts to become pretty obvious why they don't get paid the same.
@taylorhillard4868 I disagree with this. In my experience the nurses rarely got penalized for anything and while their "license was on the line" they weren't doing the patient care. While the overworked MA is more likely to be fired over small aspects of patient care and are putting their bodies on the line. I worked for a "nurses" union, I don't need to hear the excuses, because you are missing the point. Women of color doing "unskilled" work are being exploited.
In maryland home cleaners don’t make $20 an hour. Its hard here now to get cleaning jobs because we have so many new immigrants willing to work for shit wages.
My grandmother would spend hours in the Texas heat hammering acres of fenceposts all by her lonesome. Rural Americans have always had to make do, and I think that the fervent racism so many boomers display is a testament to how they really don’t understand their parents’ and grandparents’ hard work and sacrifices - the very same ones we whites in rural areas have pushed onto immigrant and minority workers for our own advancement.
Its crazy how all rural folks think they are the only ones that know hardship or sacrifice. Farmers pay workers so little for back breaking labor that they have to import labor from a more desperate group of people. While they make bank.
You seem to have misinterpreted my comment. Poor white people have historically worked hard in this country just the same as anyone else. The systems of power have encouraged a racist and elitist mindset in many of them that has carried through to their children, most of whom are the Boomers, who have had to sacrifice comparatively little for their own comfort. Make no mistake, I’m not excusing Silent and Greatest generation racism. From your comment, it is clear to me that you are stereotyping rural white people. Yes, I do understand that historically the vast majority of hard labor is done by minorities. Can’t say the same for my grandmother in the sixties. I think that you should maybe learn a little more about subsistence farmers before you blame them for the failings of a racist and capitalistic system.
Yet in dating , which we dont, the lady's go for the Alpha Cants till the cash runs out. Then Sigma looks a lot better but Sigma has last laugh. If you have a great partnership, hold on tight. Its a no go out here.
Not saying that i disagree with any of the latter political stuff but about the house labor I think its just a matter of the division of labor itself. Each relationship is different, but for those who end up conscribing to more traditional "men work a salary job and women work the home" roles I think the friction comes when women in those roles try to offload more of the labor onto the man. The "weaponized incompetence" arises when men end up being asked to perform additional labors in the house. Women in those relationships often resent men for not laboring in thier presence, even though his role is to labor outside of her presence. Her end of the bargain is to handle the house labors. And its called weaponized incompetence because men know how to do those things, they did them just fine before the relationship. The issue is that the division of labor in that relationship means its not his job, his job is to go to his place of work where he is paid a wage. Thats his job. The housework is not in his job description. Again, all relationships are different. In two income houses the agreement of domestic labor is usually a different agreement where tasks in the home are shared more equally. But when one party is unemployed and choosing to stay at home, the domestic labor becomes their responsibility (unless other arrangements are made between the couple)
The first thing I thought of as the post was read was watching my grandmother pound every shake into place on the roof of our garage. I watched her turn a herd of stampeding cattle away from the road by herself. She couldn't sew a straight seam but she could prune any tree, fruiting or landscaping. I entered adulthood knowing how to tear down and reassemble a toilet, fix a washing machine, buck hay, and anything else needed doing. I know how to pick up a phone and find help if I need it too. -- Last week the Chamber of Commerce stated "job openings are going unfilled because the U.S. does not have enough workers to fill them." Don't forget, we lost a bunch of laborers 4 years ago in a mismanaged pandemic. Now, trump says he will start his mass deportations, shipping millions more laborers out of the country. What could possibly go wrong!?
And this is why we're opting out.
He needs to evolve from his male bubble. Woman do many of the roles men used to do. This is the type of guy who voted for TRUMP!
Btw those men who boast about being able to do women's work too and "just as well if not BETTER" are the same men who actually will not be thorough with said work. For example, dishes will still be dirty after washing, kids will be fed unhealthy food most likely take out or home delivery or something like sugary cereal instead of healthy home cooked meals. Vaccuuming and mopping is done half assedly. The list goes on. And then there's their not so secret option to get out of doing said work: Weaponized Incompetence.
They do it badly so they won't have to do it again!
I didn't step into that kind of trap! "Oh, you did not quite manage - you'll have to do it again for training!"😂
Or he does it once in a blue moon and goes "I do the same work it aint that hard." Not every day and multiple times a day the men I know who were like that then had to do it every day and multiple times bunt out faster in like 1 month or less and then tried the excuse of , "I'm depressed I can't do everything today/this week/this month/this year." men can't handle women's work that's why they gave it to women to do cuz she has stamina and they kept her out of the work force cuz she has stamina more then several men. Those indestructible bombers from WW2 were put together by women.
This dude is so delusional. Speaking as a housewife myself, yeah there's some types of household labor that I don't have the skills to do, so I call in professionals. It has literally nothing to do with gender lol, my husband is generally *less* skilled at manual labor than me considering I'm the one scrubbing floors, washing windows, raking leaves, shoveling snow, plunging toilets, mowing the lawn, buffing the car, etc. and he works a job where he mostly types on computers. Beyond the societal stigma of 'women's work' vs. 'men's work', the actual nitty gritty of it is an issue of skill set, training, experience etc, not gender.
it does in the sense the trades gated themselves off to women who were openly women cuz they wanted their own specialty to control people with cuz notice the trades they can charge whatever they want you have to pay they can feel important and if your a woman they can get laid to fix your roof, let you in your home or car, fix your car those sterotypes of the woman fucks the tradesman wasn't a meme it was sometimes thats what the men demanded of her and if she couldn't pay they'd "help" her out by helping himself out.
They still gate off these jobs I applied to many trades jobs and they were happy at first but as soon as they found a man they said they were not interested in hiring me why hire me if they can get a dude in and keep the gendered flat lined. The trades and trucking also rape their women employees often too and some women were told if they didnt' want to have sex with their mentor or trainer he'd not pass them and those that raped their trainees passed them as well.
I was a stay at home dad for 15 years. Performing a majority of the domestic chores, car repairs and house remodeling allowed us a lot of recreation time when my wife wasn't working. We used that time to give our kids incredible experiences.
We have a fun, loving and peaceful household. I've been to every school conference, concert, carnival, sports game, etc. for my kids except one when I was sick. Wouldn't trade that for all the money in the world.
Maybe all I really needed to be awesome was a huge compensation truck and scraggly ass beard. Lol.
He's being both racist and misogynistic all in go. Wow.
SNAFU...Welcome to MAGA in their 'safe spaces'... It's pretty disgusting to live amongst it...
We have no choice but to sit back and let folks find out. I’m gonna have to keep my empathy in check.
Mine went to get cigarettes.
@@Toastcat890long as it ain't milk😅 *the most spiritless badumptuss*
Ditto.
What would a billionaire do with this man's problem?
So this guy wants a cookie for doing laundry? Badly?
These guys think Wife Appliance.
I'm a civil engineer, the type of work he described I know to design and build.
One thing that illustrates that house work is work…you need to pay someone a wage if you choose not to do it yourself, or have not yet found a subservient wife. This is not rocket science and doesn’t require a PhD in economics. I’ve always cleaned my own place because I don’t want others messing with my shyt, and I’ll do the job right. I also fix my place, contractors are the last option.
In regards to agricultural labor done by immigrants...here in FL there was a law signed by Deathsantis that had a lot of migrant laborers (documented and undocumented) leave the state. They didn't want to deal with it and I don't blame them. I've seen fields where the crop was left to rot because there was no one to pick it. The normal planting schedules have been changed due to the lack of farm workers. If stupid does what he promises, there's going to be a lot of farmers that go under because there will be no one to prep, plant, tend and harvest the crops. You get what you vote for.
My father in law once put an aluminum pie plate in the recycling. My mother in law keeps those for cooking, and he knows that. He was making sure she never again asked him to put his dishes in the sink. Let's not forget the fact that he's saying he would have to pay someone to do the housework around his house. I got really lucky with my husband. He wasn't ever really taught how to clean but he does clean and he takes direction on it. He has always helped me around the house and I think it's because he took the right lessons from his childhood and seeing that his father never helped his mother and saw her shoulder all the household labor.
When we had our roof replaced back in August...the crew lead UP ON THE ROOF and DOING THE THING was a 60 year old woman who had been with the company for YEARS. That roof hero 'husband' needs to take SEVERAL seats.
As the stay-at-home parent who is on-call 24/7 to do childcare duties for all the kids and (normally) all the "maid" stuff too, let's roll with this.
24 hours in the day
x 30 days in a month
x 20 bucks an hour
That comes out to $14,400 a month for being on-call 24/7 with no vacation days, no guaranteed bathroom breaks alone, and no weekends or sick days off. It might be a steel man scenario, but the point stands.
Surrogacy also runs for about $60000 per child. If men had to pay us for our labour we’d be stinking rich.
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$40-$50 an hour for housekeeping here where I live!
Wow. I always got just over min wage.
Over $100 per HALF an hour in PA that man can't pay Lahara a $20 to suck him off he's paying her $400 to clean his horde house and he can't afford her!
Heck yeah!! I truly hope you’re considering running for office somewhere. We need you to be in a position of political influence.
I’ve been loving your perspectives so much!! I feel like I’m losing my mind. I don’t understand why Trump and all the cruelty is all normalized. Time magazine just put him on the cover. ABC paid him 15 mil in slander lawsuit? Can you please speak to how this is possible? I feel like I’m in an alternate reality over here!! Ever since he got elected I’ve been starting to feel like I’m in the wrong, but I thought racism and sexism were wrong but everyone supported him.
I've dug up and repaired the main water line three times in three separate places... all by myself, with no male help and no pay. And I still do all the house chores and yard work while taking care of my disabled dad.
They always SAY they can do it - LET them actually do it, not only brag about it!
Nice guiotine earrings
Love your earrings!
It will be interesting to see how the degree of impact will differ between regions. I know my area has a pretty low population of undocumented individuals, so the impact may be noticeably less then some other areas
Mark my words trump will try to punish the economy of blue states and businesses that didn’t support him. I am willing to bet he will close an eye (or two) for the big employers of immigrants who will go to Maralago to kneel, kiss his ar$e and ‘bear gifts’.
In authoritarian regimes laws are not applied equally: they are cudgels to be used selectively against enemies.
Lol my sister does all the handyman, mechanic work and housework, she also has 5 kids. And her husband COMPLAINS if he has to watch them. She also pays the majority of the bills. I do this stuff too but my little sister just does so much more and has more kids. Men don’t all know how to do all these men’s handiwork types of things or are able to “provide”. I am in the breadwinner. And dollars to donuts his wife either taught him how to do laundry or has to rewash it much of the time. Like I have with mine.
Sounds like she has six kids. One of which will never grow up.
Dude will pay another man to fix his roof.
truth
I worked in healthcare and then was a healthcare union organizer for a while. Let's discuss how MAs do the worst work, are almost entirely minority women, and start at $18/hour. Nurses who are much more yt and probably 30% male start around $50/hour. If that wasn't bad enough the MAs cap at $22/hour and nurses at $75/ hour across the same 25 year career.
Nurses have more responsibility and liability, which is one of the reasons I changed career goals before graduating as a nurse.
Nurses have to administer the medications to patients and are held responsible for mistakes administered even if it was what the doctor ordered and what the pharmacist sent. The nurse is still held responsible if it was an inappropriate dose or the wrong medication (again, even if that dose and medication are what was ordered by the doctor)
They are also the ones held responsible for the safety and care of patients they often don't even get to monitor properly due to understaffing.
Yes, MAs should get paid more, but let's not compare it to nursing because it starts to become pretty obvious why they don't get paid the same.
@taylorhillard4868 I disagree with this. In my experience the nurses rarely got penalized for anything and while their "license was on the line" they weren't doing the patient care. While the overworked MA is more likely to be fired over small aspects of patient care and are putting their bodies on the line. I worked for a "nurses" union, I don't need to hear the excuses, because you are missing the point. Women of color doing "unskilled" work are being exploited.
In maryland home cleaners don’t make $20 an hour. Its hard here now to get cleaning jobs because we have so many new immigrants willing to work for shit wages.
What about doctors and nurses, medical professionals? We gonna be so fd.
Maids get at least $50.00 an hour.
Another words, their jobs are worth more???
My grandmother would spend hours in the Texas heat hammering acres of fenceposts all by her lonesome. Rural Americans have always had to make do, and I think that the fervent racism so many boomers display is a testament to how they really don’t understand their parents’ and grandparents’ hard work and sacrifices - the very same ones we whites in rural areas have pushed onto immigrant and minority workers for our own advancement.
😂😂😂do you know who the boomers are?
Its crazy how all rural folks think they are the only ones that know hardship or sacrifice. Farmers pay workers so little for back breaking labor that they have to import labor from a more desperate group of people. While they make bank.
You seem to have misinterpreted my comment. Poor white people have historically worked hard in this country just the same as anyone else. The systems of power have encouraged a racist and elitist mindset in many of them that has carried through to their children, most of whom are the Boomers, who have had to sacrifice comparatively little for their own comfort. Make no mistake, I’m not excusing Silent and Greatest generation racism.
From your comment, it is clear to me that you are stereotyping rural white people.
Yes, I do understand that historically the vast majority of hard labor is done by minorities. Can’t say the same for my grandmother in the sixties. I think that you should maybe learn a little more about subsistence farmers before you blame them for the failings of a racist and capitalistic system.
Yet in dating , which we dont, the lady's go for the Alpha Cants till the cash runs out. Then Sigma looks a lot better but Sigma has last laugh. If you have a great partnership, hold on tight. Its a no go out here.
I wish you hadnt taken down the one you mentioned about Beyonce. It meant a lot to me and cannot find it.
Not saying that i disagree with any of the latter political stuff but about the house labor I think its just a matter of the division of labor itself.
Each relationship is different, but for those who end up conscribing to more traditional "men work a salary job and women work the home" roles I think the friction comes when women in those roles try to offload more of the labor onto the man. The "weaponized incompetence" arises when men end up being asked to perform additional labors in the house. Women in those relationships often resent men for not laboring in thier presence, even though his role is to labor outside of her presence. Her end of the bargain is to handle the house labors. And its called weaponized incompetence because men know how to do those things, they did them just fine before the relationship. The issue is that the division of labor in that relationship means its not his job, his job is to go to his place of work where he is paid a wage. Thats his job. The housework is not in his job description.
Again, all relationships are different. In two income houses the agreement of domestic labor is usually a different agreement where tasks in the home are shared more equally. But when one party is unemployed and choosing to stay at home, the domestic labor becomes their responsibility (unless other arrangements are made between the couple)