I just noticed you have a mouse or mic depending on if the game is a live cast or you are playing. Never thought of that and I've never seen that before! Brilliant idea! Just found the channel and I'm loving the content and the commentary so far!
I think the proper response to being raided with horsemen as the abbasids is to build a few spears, but then go up to castle for camel riders, which actually have the mobility needed to catch the horsemen and decrease the mass, plus they lower the damage done to the villagers
Especially when you go military wing anyhow. I can't imagine some easily sniperable camel archers to support your spears can be worth going that route on its own. Then again, with a 4 vs 6 minute feudal time and rush coming in double raiding your villagers, it's gonna be hard to age up while defending. Not sure the outposts and walls were the right choice, at least not against someone microing his raids well.
i dont think you need to do that camel archers are a really good option against light cav long bow men and spear man also he could have dropped a TC on the gold and wood to secure it but he should have used eco wing
I'd love to see more of an in-depth analysis about uncommon openings in those games. It looks like Hagrit started with a mill and lumber camp immediately, ignoring his sheep and putting 4/6 vills on berries (0.83 f/sec for Abbasids vs 0.75 f/sec on sheep). That means 2 vills on wood, one of which switches to building a house it seemed shortly before the ninth villager came out. First vill produced went on berries, next one on gold, third on wood, i.e. 5 food, 1 gold, 2 wood, 1 building the house. The forth goes on wood as well as the house builder, so 5/4/1/0 (5.5 vills on food thanks to the faster berries). Then it's one on gold, one more on berries, which builds the house of wisdom at 2:10. The thirteenth vill goes on berries too. Then a woodcutter builds two more houses in advance. Next vill goes on gold, then the 15th comes out at the three minute mark, going on wood for a total of 7/5/3/0 and almost two villagers more than Zerton (but no prelate, of course). Building another house at 3:10 with a woodcutter. The next three villagers go on berries (10), while a goldminer finishes another house - activating an early golden age (+10% on all villagers) at 3:51. Five seconds after Zerton has reached the Feudal Age, Hagrit starts going up at 4:11. The 19th vill goes on wood as well, while he secures his berries with an outpost at 4:25. Next two vills go on wood, then one on berries for 11/7/3/0 to Zerton's 10/5/4/0 around the five minute mark. However, he takes over two minutes more to reach feudal, with two outposts, a single baracks, but no military units vs Zerton's double stables and 4th horsemen on the way. Then the stable goes up to produce the camel, which provides the main advantage of aging up with the military wing. How much armour does it provide? Is it really worth forgoing cheaper tech or vills and forcing stables and a camel, when that unit can be sniped by archers and affects only your main force? I guess against HRE going cavalry, it might be, though it takes Hagrit until 11:45 to get. Meanwhile, Zerton puts all 6 on sheep, but quickly sends three of them to drop off their food and switch to gold, one to build a house (before even the first new villager/prelate came out!). He starts with a prelate (buffing 4 vills, so worth only 1.6 vills but costing 100 gold - though I assume it's produced faster than two vills). Next two sheep, so 6/0/3/0 (8.4 on food with the prelate bonus). Two more on sheep, while the next goes up to build the landmark with the goldminers at 2:30. Meanwhile, 4 vills switch from food to wood, then the next goes on wood too (4/5/0/0). Since the wood is collected next to the sheep, the prelate buffs them to, practically raising it to 5/6.4/0/0). At 4:05 Zerton reaches feudal and his 4 builders go back on gold. In the meantime, three more vills on wood, one more on sheep and one constructing a stable come out, putting him at 5/8/4/0 + the builder finishing around 4:40. Three woodcutters, the builder and the next vill to come out go hunting, I assume. Second stable goes up by a goldminer. Next three go on food, while he's already pumped out four horsemen shortly after Hagrit reached feudal. Thanks to his raids, he'll soon be four villagers in the lead! Those two build orders are so insanely different!
Reeeeally enjoying your vids my guy. Aside from the official casts, because I am pretty sure the devs were told "show off lots of units and buildings and crazy stuff!", yours are the best on TH-cam. I am hoping you will keep these going once the game launches (I can't play much, eye strain issues, but they aren't nearly as bad watching as playing because I don't focus so intently), and we will start to see some really insane games. Also looking forward to Chinese vs English, and Delhi v Rus and all of the other matchups we don't get to watch yet. And Byzantines and Japanese against anyone else, because I bet those factions will be high up on their list of factions to add; people love samurai and Romans too much not to add them.
I look forward to seeing more matches like these shoutcasted. It's always nice to see these good matches when you don't get the chance to have as much playtime due to work xD
1:22 A prelate can buff up to 10 villagers continuously if he doesn't have to move, so how much buff time would it cost if he moved from the six on sheep up to the 3 on gold and back down again? Micro-ing aside, in would you really gain any buffs at all?
Yes I used to do this every game on HRE. buff the 6 on sheep then move to gold and buff them and then come back so that I could pull my guys off gold quicker. But Only did it once because I'd go on wood after and have enough vills in the same area he could buff them all.
@@TopKhan So altogether you had no more vills buffed at the same time? Then I guess the only difference was to prioritize buffing the gold miners over more food production. Shifts the balance slightly, but otherwise no net gain. Thanks for the insight!
@@Muenni Yeah + in the stress test often times if u micro the Prelate the unit would bug and would no longer be able to buff any units. So it was hard to test sadly
Yes let's unite all the RTS gamers, whether you are from AoE/AoM, warcraft, starcraft, C&C, bfme, supcom, praetorians, homeworld, sins of a solar empire, kknd, total annihilation, CoH, Northgard, cossacks, stronghold, empire earth, rise of nations or even the one person who plays Achron.
I feel like there is currently a lack of appreciation for walls in aoe4. They seem to be much more important then in aoe2 since you can't do the buildings wall trick and with stonewalls being really only killable by siege I'm not sure why we didn't see them being used much in the early game phase. Would of saved a lot of resources spent on dead military and villagers.
It felt really hard to wall off on some of the maps. Black forest was very easy, but most maps it seemed tough to get the resources to wall while not being allowed to include buildings. The meta at higher levels was often Ram All ins and stone walls will die to rams still so to me it felt risky, but as we have more time with the game for sure you'll see it more.
Watching every vid from aussie until release increases my confidence to high levels, I mean, look what we've all learned already! Can't wait to get my dreams destroyed on day one.
I came from cossacks 3 to this pretty fun to see how different it is took me a few days before I could beat hard but this game is going to be amazing with friends
The CH in Landsknecht is not spelled as a 'k'. Rather it's a soft rasping sound, produced by your throat. The A is spelled like the second A in 'Africa'
At around 14:00 you say that eco upgrades are multiplicative (as in aoe2), but I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that's not the case in aoe4. Have you actually tested that during the stress test to make sure?
You are pretty close to the correct pronunciation of Landsknecht. The only things missing is the "a" are spoken like "uuh" and the "ch" is an [x] in phonetic, like the "ch" in "Loch Ness".
I believe the AGE2 builds are prettier because they have a stronger sense of unity, looks more like the age of mythology design. another thing that bothers me about AGE4 is the animation of the units... they are more fluid and I think the cavalry 'collisions' are really cool, but the general attack animation of the melee units looks like rag dolls
As i've always had the opinion since the early dawn of 3D coming up: Good and well done spritework is timeless. Though honestly? As far as the pitfalls go for 3D RTS games, such as the animations and the looks. This game has done quite well. Does it have issues that come with 3D medieval RTS games? Absolutely, but They made it look quite charming, and the issues aren't as pronounced as they could be. I'd consider that a job well done! Or maybe i'm just glad they didn't mess it up massively xD
@@SamuraiHonor i think they made a decent joob too, i just miss some stuffs that i like on age2 another example, i dont see the "auto scoult" button on the scoult cavaliary on age4
@@iamtabz4950 English get 25% attack speed bonus when near their buildings for tower defense. Rus also will get stronger towers. Holy Roman Empire gets defensive bonuses too. So I think you'll have to wait and see, but probably English.
@@Gyozamang interesting, they really need to move away from the AOE formula to achieve this. I found AOE really slow and not such a tight strategic experience as SC. But I'm open to AOE 4.
Honestly they wouldn't be, but Blizzard dropped the ball and stopped balancing and the maps have only changed once in a year now... A lot of players are really sick of the meta and think the game needs balance changes (also been over a year and like 6 months now). So many SC2 guys are looking at AoE 4 to give it a try until Frost Giant's RTS comes out in a few years.
AOE 2 pros are not gonna leave most of them have already said that AOE4 wont be good for the pro play but it looks like a solid RTS game so these guys arent gonna leave aoe2 they are great at micro and aoe4 doesnt exactly scream micro intensive i would be surprised if many aoe2 players come over at all to be honest
tbh it reminds me more of the comparisons between starcraft 1 and 2 when it comes to unit pathing, micro and macro management in early game being more important and admiring to watch. The reality is that I don't think Age 4 needs to specifically appeal to the Age 2 community, they are pretty healthy and they gonna keep getting new content while AoE 4 is more fit for AoM and AoE 3 players. With some factions that also benefit the warcraft and dawn of war niches that kinda got left there and forgotten.
Are they still going to update the sounds and visuals? Nothing in this game is nearly as distinct as the units in AOE(1) for example. I'm loving the gameplay but the rest is super lackluster.
My main issue is the maps looking bad and the generation being unfair. I think the rest of the graphics are fine. I just hope they balance civil better before launch.
As much as i love Petroglyphs game designs, played world at war, grey goo and 8 bit series so much. They do little to no effort keeping a healthy community and maintenance in a game. I remember spending a few months learning to dominate everyone as renegades in 8 bit and the Beta in grey goo but the communities died so fast you need to socialize around if you want a match... then again the same could be said about C&C...
I just noticed you have a mouse or mic depending on if the game is a live cast or you are playing. Never thought of that and I've never seen that before! Brilliant idea! Just found the channel and I'm loving the content and the commentary so far!
CEO of Age of Empires 4 before the game is even released
I think the proper response to being raided with horsemen as the abbasids is to build a few spears, but then go up to castle for camel riders, which actually have the mobility needed to catch the horsemen and decrease the mass, plus they lower the damage done to the villagers
Especially when you go military wing anyhow. I can't imagine some easily sniperable camel archers to support your spears can be worth going that route on its own.
Then again, with a 4 vs 6 minute feudal time and rush coming in double raiding your villagers, it's gonna be hard to age up while defending. Not sure the outposts and walls were the right choice, at least not against someone microing his raids well.
i dont think you need to do that camel archers are a really good option against light cav long bow men and spear man also he could have dropped a TC on the gold and wood to secure it but he should have used eco wing
I'd love to see more of an in-depth analysis about uncommon openings in those games.
It looks like Hagrit started with a mill and lumber camp immediately, ignoring his sheep and putting 4/6 vills on berries (0.83 f/sec for Abbasids vs 0.75 f/sec on sheep). That means 2 vills on wood, one of which switches to building a house it seemed shortly before the ninth villager came out. First vill produced went on berries, next one on gold, third on wood, i.e. 5 food, 1 gold, 2 wood, 1 building the house. The forth goes on wood as well as the house builder, so 5/4/1/0 (5.5 vills on food thanks to the faster berries). Then it's one on gold, one more on berries, which builds the house of wisdom at 2:10. The thirteenth vill goes on berries too. Then a woodcutter builds two more houses in advance. Next vill goes on gold, then the 15th comes out at the three minute mark, going on wood for a total of 7/5/3/0 and almost two villagers more than Zerton (but no prelate, of course). Building another house at 3:10 with a woodcutter. The next three villagers go on berries (10), while a goldminer finishes another house - activating an early golden age (+10% on all villagers) at 3:51. Five seconds after Zerton has reached the Feudal Age, Hagrit starts going up at 4:11. The 19th vill goes on wood as well, while he secures his berries with an outpost at 4:25. Next two vills go on wood, then one on berries for 11/7/3/0 to Zerton's 10/5/4/0 around the five minute mark. However, he takes over two minutes more to reach feudal, with two outposts, a single baracks, but no military units vs Zerton's double stables and 4th horsemen on the way. Then the stable goes up to produce the camel, which provides the main advantage of aging up with the military wing. How much armour does it provide? Is it really worth forgoing cheaper tech or vills and forcing stables and a camel, when that unit can be sniped by archers and affects only your main force? I guess against HRE going cavalry, it might be, though it takes Hagrit until 11:45 to get.
Meanwhile, Zerton puts all 6 on sheep, but quickly sends three of them to drop off their food and switch to gold, one to build a house (before even the first new villager/prelate came out!). He starts with a prelate (buffing 4 vills, so worth only 1.6 vills but costing 100 gold - though I assume it's produced faster than two vills). Next two sheep, so 6/0/3/0 (8.4 on food with the prelate bonus). Two more on sheep, while the next goes up to build the landmark with the goldminers at 2:30. Meanwhile, 4 vills switch from food to wood, then the next goes on wood too (4/5/0/0). Since the wood is collected next to the sheep, the prelate buffs them to, practically raising it to 5/6.4/0/0). At 4:05 Zerton reaches feudal and his 4 builders go back on gold. In the meantime, three more vills on wood, one more on sheep and one constructing a stable come out, putting him at 5/8/4/0 + the builder finishing around 4:40. Three woodcutters, the builder and the next vill to come out go hunting, I assume. Second stable goes up by a goldminer. Next three go on food, while he's already pumped out four horsemen shortly after Hagrit reached feudal. Thanks to his raids, he'll soon be four villagers in the lead!
Those two build orders are so insanely different!
16:15 that's not too bad for somebody who doesn't have those sounds natively in their langauge :D
And love the genuine attempt xD
I miss land sharks :(
That's probably his best try!
Reeeeally enjoying your vids my guy. Aside from the official casts, because I am pretty sure the devs were told "show off lots of units and buildings and crazy stuff!", yours are the best on TH-cam. I am hoping you will keep these going once the game launches (I can't play much, eye strain issues, but they aren't nearly as bad watching as playing because I don't focus so intently), and we will start to see some really insane games. Also looking forward to Chinese vs English, and Delhi v Rus and all of the other matchups we don't get to watch yet. And Byzantines and Japanese against anyone else, because I bet those factions will be high up on their list of factions to add; people love samurai and Romans too much not to add them.
I look forward to seeing more matches like these shoutcasted. It's always nice to see these good matches when you don't get the chance to have as much playtime due to work xD
1:22 A prelate can buff up to 10 villagers continuously if he doesn't have to move, so how much buff time would it cost if he moved from the six on sheep up to the 3 on gold and back down again? Micro-ing aside, in would you really gain any buffs at all?
Yes I used to do this every game on HRE. buff the 6 on sheep then move to gold and buff them and then come back so that I could pull my guys off gold quicker. But Only did it once because I'd go on wood after and have enough vills in the same area he could buff them all.
@@TopKhan Interesting. How many of your sheep vills were still buffed when your prelate returned from the gold miners?
@@Muenni usually it was around 2-3 still buffed when it came back.
@@TopKhan So altogether you had no more vills buffed at the same time? Then I guess the only difference was to prioritize buffing the gold miners over more food production. Shifts the balance slightly, but otherwise no net gain. Thanks for the insight!
@@Muenni Yeah + in the stress test often times if u micro the Prelate the unit would bug and would no longer be able to buff any units. So it was hard to test sadly
Can’t wait to start playing this gamw
saw this live :D drongo must be on holiday lmao. still would love some age 3 content every once in awhile.
Yes let's unite all the RTS gamers, whether you are from AoE/AoM, warcraft, starcraft, C&C, bfme, supcom, praetorians, homeworld, sins of a solar empire, kknd, total annihilation, CoH, Northgard, cossacks, stronghold, empire earth, rise of nations or even the one person who plays Achron.
Preach!
Don't forget call of duty! The most strategy of games
As a Starcraft player, AOE is 100x slower paced so I have a hard time believing those pros will ever move over
@@hatimzeineddine8723 Of course, my bad.
Oh man, I remember playing kknd2 against my friend, those were the days!
I feel like there is currently a lack of appreciation for walls in aoe4. They seem to be much more important then in aoe2 since you can't do the buildings wall trick and with stonewalls being really only killable by siege I'm not sure why we didn't see them being used much in the early game phase. Would of saved a lot of resources spent on dead military and villagers.
It felt really hard to wall off on some of the maps. Black forest was very easy, but most maps it seemed tough to get the resources to wall while not being allowed to include buildings. The meta at higher levels was often Ram All ins and stone walls will die to rams still so to me it felt risky, but as we have more time with the game for sure you'll see it more.
You'll see a lot of it at lower levels I expect. But walling takes time. And pro players typically don't give you that time.
Watching every vid from aussie until release increases my confidence to high levels, I mean, look what we've all learned already! Can't wait to get my dreams destroyed on day one.
Never stop Aussie your videos are golden
Been watching every video you release. Keep pumping the content man. Lots of love ❤️!
You forgot to mention the original granddaddy, Command & Conquer.
Everyone always does, it is the original rts
@@Johnson09641 No. Dune is the real original granddaddy RTS.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Kinda true, but in my opinion it didn't change the rts genre like cnc did. And after all - its the same genius dev team :)
18:09 You can't un-see it XD
I came from cossacks 3 to this pretty fun to see how different it is took me a few days before I could beat hard but this game is going to be amazing with friends
In "landsknecht" the 'a' doesnt sound like the 'a' in "land" but sounds closer to the 'a' in "wand".
0:50 I'm pretty disappointed command and conquer was not mentioned! :(
The CH in Landsknecht is not spelled as a 'k'. Rather it's a soft rasping sound, produced by your throat.
The A is spelled like the second A in 'Africa'
At around 14:00 you say that eco upgrades are multiplicative (as in aoe2), but I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that's not the case in aoe4. Have you actually tested that during the stress test to make sure?
Yes! New cast :D Love these!
Nice video. I wish AOE4 made it easier to see who has what and what they are producing, like in SC2. It would make a huge difference for the viewers.
You are pretty close to the correct pronunciation of Landsknecht. The only things missing is the "a" are spoken like "uuh" and the "ch" is an [x] in phonetic, like the "ch" in "Loch Ness".
Really wants to see Mongols gameplay, soon.
Choose GLA
October 8th there will be Relic streaming it for the first time Mongols game. Until then it has been under NDA.
New to the channel and just wondering where you stream? Would love to watch live.
how are u still milking content?? respect!
I believe the AGE2 builds are prettier because they have a stronger sense of unity, looks more like the age of mythology design.
another thing that bothers me about AGE4 is the animation of the units... they are more fluid and I think the cavalry 'collisions' are really cool, but the general attack animation of the melee units looks like rag dolls
As i've always had the opinion since the early dawn of 3D coming up: Good and well done spritework is timeless.
Though honestly? As far as the pitfalls go for 3D RTS games, such as the animations and the looks. This game has done quite well.
Does it have issues that come with 3D medieval RTS games? Absolutely, but They made it look quite charming, and the issues aren't as pronounced as they could be.
I'd consider that a job well done!
Or maybe i'm just glad they didn't mess it up massively xD
@@SamuraiHonor i think they made a decent joob too, i just miss some stuffs that i like on age2
another example, i dont see the "auto scoult" button on the scoult cavaliary on age4
Pls keep uploading these battles!
Surprised someone knows about Grey Goo at all. I actually played it for a good amount of time and liked it.
I hated the Human faction in that game. They seemed designed for turtling, but the game itself isn't designed for that. :/
Oh yeah. Good times
Now we just need a new Stronghold game. Stronghold would be awesome if it had a large online community
how do you group up the barracks?
With a mouse it trackpad
@@mrEbraheem imean would you double click it and it will select all or hold ctrl?
@@estelleyamit3704 you could put them in a control group if you wanted to
Best way would be select all barracks hotkey.. they will for sure add that at release!
You can bind them with control and 1-9 or picka hot key that selects all barracks highly recommend
hello Drongo, why did you stop using ultrawide?
im usually a cod player but i like the look of this, i hope its beginner friendly
Depends on the civilization, the English are very beginner friendly while something like the Indians are not
@@masterdclone2172 i already know that im probably gonna play as if it were a tower defense, any recommended civs for strats like that?
@@iamtabz4950 English get 25% attack speed bonus when near their buildings for tower defense. Rus also will get stronger towers. Holy Roman Empire gets defensive bonuses too. So I think you'll have to wait and see, but probably English.
wha you mean at minute 14 is called compund interest
I see Aussie Drongo I click
Drongo, Landsknecht is pronounced in native german as lantsk-neizt
In english is pronounced as lands-kinect
They should add the cards from aoe3 into this game even in a basic way i think it would add a bit more flavor and diversity to the game
Hopefully Tastosis will cast some of this
14:01 Gather rates are additive, not multiplicative... At least according to a bunch of dudes on Reddit who ran tests during the stress test.
does AOE4 unite Victoria 2 players too?
Only if i can pause every 20 seconds to look at every available button i already know ist there.
i really miss your aoe3 videos drongo:(
How many civs available rn? Always Abbasid and HRE lol
5/16 civs in drongo's casting list are the English. It's really only the Chinese that were seen less than the other three.
The beta had 4 (Abbasids , HRE, English and Chinese) At release it's gonna have 8
dude how do you have so much content from this 2 days of stress test? you was not sleeping through those days?
He said in a previous cast that he has enough footage for 2 vids a day until release. xD
@@ArawnOfAnnwn lmao
How to download plZZ HELP ME
I really don't think starcraft or SC2 players will jump on board
I've read a few pros are interested and definitely a lot of mid tier and bronze players are very interested.
@@Gyozamang interesting, they really need to move away from the AOE formula to achieve this. I found AOE really slow and not such a tight strategic experience as SC. But I'm open to AOE 4.
Honestly they wouldn't be, but Blizzard dropped the ball and stopped balancing and the maps have only changed once in a year now... A lot of players are really sick of the meta and think the game needs balance changes (also been over a year and like 6 months now). So many SC2 guys are looking at AoE 4 to give it a try until Frost Giant's RTS comes out in a few years.
many options dont mean a thing if those are not viable
Cannot forget Star Wars Empire at War players!
AOE 2 pros are not gonna leave most of them have already said that AOE4 wont be good for the pro play but it looks like a solid RTS game so these guys arent gonna leave aoe2 they are great at micro and aoe4 doesnt exactly scream micro intensive i would be surprised if many aoe2 players come over at all to be honest
tbh it reminds me more of the comparisons between starcraft 1 and 2 when it comes to unit pathing, micro and macro management in early game being more important and admiring to watch. The reality is that I don't think Age 4 needs to specifically appeal to the Age 2 community, they are pretty healthy and they gonna keep getting new content while AoE 4 is more fit for AoM and AoE 3 players. With some factions that also benefit the warcraft and dawn of war niches that kinda got left there and forgotten.
Empire Earth the lost gem. Rise of Nations another lost gem
I can't help but feel like the HRE is just the best civ in the game right now, but I might be wrong.
They are strong, but I think England is up to them. But to be honest I didn't got my hands on china and abbasids yet.
Are they still going to update the sounds and visuals? Nothing in this game is nearly as distinct as the units in AOE(1) for example. I'm loving the gameplay but the rest is super lackluster.
My main issue is the maps looking bad and the generation being unfair. I think the rest of the graphics are fine.
I just hope they balance civil better before launch.
Visuals are being polished , sound design on this game is amazing tho
Laands-kuhneckt I think
RTS united!!!
24 more days. 😎
This may be the last AoE4 gameplay for a while, does that mean some fresh aoe 3 stuff coming?
Man's got enough content of aoe 4 until release
See about that he’s going to be release aoe4 till release
Lanskenecht O_0
15% of 15% is only 2.25%. So it is not that big of a deal. You need more upgrades to snowball.
lol. thats not what he said. in old aoe, it was |1.15*the base+ 1.15*the base| = two upgrades. now its |(1.15*base)*1.15= two upgrades.
(video lasts 20 minutes) ... I'm going to guess 'not very effective' is the answer
It's pronounced Lunzknasht, approximately
What are some other strategy games?! TOTAL WARRRRRR!!!!
Archers are gunna be the meat and potatoes of most armies, I think.
U still make aoe 3 content or is this now just aoe 4?
He's said in a previous comments section he'll still be making aoe3 content, just that aoe4 is the new shiny
lanshchenekst lanseneskst lndskenegst lanshenegst lanshegs la
landskewhat????????
noice
Hoping the aoe2 community migrates to aoe4? Smash players say don't hold your breath...
False prophecy
I hate all the fucking ads.
I trully want that all the communities jusy play AOE IV. I want to see Aoe 2 rot and die. aoe 2 community is toxic.
Wtf is turtling
The game is drawing and designing cubes, not smooth
You mentioning grey goo makes me sad. The game is so dead
I hated the Human faction in that game. They seemed designed for turtling, but the game itself isn't designed for that. :/
As much as i love Petroglyphs game designs, played world at war, grey goo and 8 bit series so much. They do little to no effort keeping a healthy community and maintenance in a game. I remember spending a few months learning to dominate everyone as renegades in 8 bit and the Beta in grey goo but the communities died so fast you need to socialize around if you want a match... then again the same could be said about C&C...
No one likes a rusher
is hagrit the same guy as simptom? exactly the same shitty gameplay
and quits, yep has to be the same guy
turtling is a stupid thing and does not belong in aoe