Cheap vs. Expensive | Fender American Vintage II Tele Deluxe vs. Squier Classic Vibe Tele Deluxe
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- It's always comin', the venerable cheap vs. expensive comparison between anything we can get our hands on. This time we're looking at the new 1975 Fender American Vintage II Tele Deluxe, a favorite in the store, to the cheapest option you can find for a Tele Deluxe, the 70's Squier Classic Vibe. Take a listen and let us know how you think they compare!
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0:00 Intro/Specs
12:12 Clean Squier Tele Deluxe
14:05 Distortion Squier Tele Deluxe
15:01 Clean Fender '75 Tele Deluxe
16:54 Distortion Fender '75 Tele Deluxe
17:55 Final Thoughts
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Ain’t nothing wrong with that Squier!
Sounds better on the distortion channel in my opinion ,
The cleans are great too.
The Squier sounds better in all ways to me. Prettier too.
I was always under the impression that the Tele Deluxe had a 12" radius neck. I have an original 1972 Fender catalog and it refers to having a "flat radius" neck... can anyone confirm?
I have a Squier CV Telecaster Deluxe and akso a Squier Telecaster Thinline - both with "identical" wide-range humbuckers, and to me, both are excellent at their price, but the Thinline has the edge on sound, being more versatile .
These videos should have a million views in my opinion. Even if they are not as successful as yall hope I really appreciate all of them
Not everyone wants a guitar bruh.
This series of videos is amazing. This proves you’re paying for a name and image. Great work
Thanks for all of the videos. I enjoy watching even if I am not interested in a particular model that you guys are talking about.
I like the brightness of the Fender. I have a Squire just like that one and LOVE it. It plays so wonderful.
Cooper is an inspiration to me… love hearing him play!
I have that exact Classic Vibe. I put a red tortoise shell pick guard on it, and it looks like a slice of red velvet cake.
Delicious.
I have to be honest here, I always do my best to buy an American product and I love both Gibson’s as well as Fender guitars. After you listen to this demo the thought of diminishing returns though has to come to mind here. Especially since the American Vintage model is indeed poly coated finish, sure… I get the fact that they wanted to build these ‘period correct’ however that Squire sounded damn good in this comparison so it has to make you wonder 💭
With Cooper playing it that also plays a factor as well since you can probably string up a broom stick and he’d make that sound good too ahah!
Cool video guys, as always 🤙
@TommySG1 I hope my experience is helpful. I own 3 Fender and 2 Squier Strats. Mind you, I have upgraded all of them. The Squiers blow away the Fenders in sound. I've also owned 2 different MIM strats and they still didn't sound as good as my Squiers. I sold both MIM at a 50% loss which made me think, it's not worth spending all that money on a higher end guitar if you're going to sell it. My Squiers blow away MIA. I spent $800 in upgrades on each Squier and they sound and play better than my Fenders. If you have to choose between the two for the same amount of money, go the Squier route IF you like tinkering with after market upgrades. Also, plan on holding your Squier the rest of your life. You won't get anything for it when selling, because it's a Squier. If you want your final product now with no upgrades, then MIA is the way to go. MIA will hold its value too.
If anybody is seeking a value packed twin humbucker Telecaster powerhouse, check out the Squier Contemporary series. It is a rocking machine with some impressive specs and priced well. I dig mine and love the matching headstock and roasted maple neck. Certainly not a vintage vibe but knocks it out of the park on aesthetics and playability. The whole contemporary series is quite remarkable if looking for a modern take on older models. I also have the Contemporary Jaguar and equally pleased. I always enjoy Cooper's playing on these demo videos. All too often many demos will forget about clean articulate tones and go straight for the gain crunchy stuff. I appreciate demos that illustrate the true bones of something in addition to how well it can make some noise. Alamo's demos are quite informative. I have learned alot about acoustics as well from their demo videos.
I’ve got a 2017, bought it used, really good deal,didn’t notice till I got it home the high E string was practically off the fret board. Cranked the neck over as far as we could, but it still slides off the fret sometimes. Had a MIM Thinline that had that issue on the low E. Lesson learned:?ALWAYS check the string alignment! Especially on imports!
I had this issue as well. They mismatched nut size to neck width on some. I think they put the modern C-shape neck on ours, but some other neck's nut was what they had in the factory. Get a narrower nut, or a blank nut, and replace it and it is perfect.
My fav is (was now that it gone) Fender Vintera Road Worn 70s Telecaster Deluxe in Nitro Blue. Mine boasts the roasted maple neck, which is a nice combo.
Fender knows how to Fender. AM Pro 2 to AV 2: strength to strength. Not a perfect company but they know and own their lane. Sometimes I wish I could afford more guitars but then I hear these guys play and realize another piece of wood and metal isn’t going to close the gap. Happy holidays.
The Fender American Vintage definitely sounds mellower and to my taste better than the Squire, although for the price differential is certainly to be expected.
Love these kinds of vids. But it all comes down to the playability
Agreed, 8 months later and i still agree
Lovely playing, lovely guitars ! I’d be happy with either but tbh,,, i’d be over the moon with BOTH !!! GIMME !!! 😜😂🤣😍🎸🎸👌👌🔥🔥🔥🔥
So if you wanted to put the American fender pickups in the squire you can buy them but you’d need to route it to fit them??
I like how the Classic Vibe guitars use a lot of different body woods, pine, nato, poplar, maple.
That settles it, I’m buying a Squier and installing CuNiFe pu’s, new wiring and tuners to get that feeling of when your upgrades are worth more than the original instrument.
Did ya do it ? I was gonna suggest pots too.
Id love to see a Vintera vs AV2 comparison. Theres a lot of Squier vs Fender but theres almost no Vintera Wide Range comparisons.
You said Frankentelly and I agree if you are buying a guitar for the store to resell it, you made the right choice to avoid it. The same if you are a collector. But I got a ‘70s Telly Deluxe that I call “a victim of the ‘90s” with a Jazzmaster neck and a refinished body that plays awesomely! I got it for the price of a Vintera and since I tour with it always on planes and vans I’m not afraid to have it on the road. If it was an AVII or a fully original vintage one I don’t know if I’d play it out of home.
Love y’all’s videos!
Interesting that these both have a polyurethane finish, whereas the period correct one would have been a thicker, harder polyester finish. I imagine the three-bolt neck is a lot firmer than genuine vintage versions.
My solution was to sell it, at a loss, of course! A young man that I play with sometimes just bought a CV 60’s thinline. Looks and sounds great! But… the high e slipped off on him and hooked under one of the frets! Possibly an anomaly, but, consistent with my experiences. Some good, some not. Gotta play it and look it over good, no matter where it was made.
I love squier's clean half tone
I'd prefer you used the term less expensive instead of cheap. There a lot of less expensive guitars that are very good. Thank you. Do enjoy your reviews.
What I have experienced in my comps is how one guitar sound will be perfect for a certain song, but then is unusable on a different comp. This is why having several brands of guitars is the way to go to achieve your best tone for each comp.
And having different amps as different guitars sound different outta different amps.
Never be afraid to buy a Squiet or MIM and soend the savings on a great amp.
That what I consider to be the voice and advice of experience.
I wonder if players compare amps like we do guitars?
Actually the Peavey Guitar Company did micro tilt first and everybody got on their ass about it saying it was worthless then all of a sudden a few years later Fender does it and it's fine
Maybe I’m completely wrong but I always thought of these guitars as Fenders answer to the Gibson Les Paul.
@ghost mall
I think you mean Seth Lover, although Tim Shaw did create these new Cunife pickups and of course also worked for Gibson.
The CV has a Poplar body. I was a kid hanging around the music shops in the '70s - almost every guitar Fender made came in Olympic White; When those Teles came out they were mostly burst or black, but I did see magazine ads with white ones; the Custom in white was a little more common. It's certainly come to light over the decades that the '70s guitars weren't nearly as bad as people said after being revisited and researched. It was simply the thing to say "oh the old ones were better", it was only true to a point. People hated the micro-tilt and they were right about that; nobody needs a big air gap in the neck pocket, but you don't have to use it. Overall the '70s guitars were really good, if you can deal with the 7 1/4" radius.
Thanks guys. Mr Greenberg is the best picker on the internet.
thank you! i finally got the boss ds1 wazacraft
i would love one of these squire cv guitars but they do not make a lefty , nor does fender , 🥴why not ????
I’d have to check the neck feel…sometimes Squire necks are great and sometimes they are really thin & narrow.
Squier is definitely poplar (stripped mine.) Better than basswood!
The CVs are great if you get good open box/returns for a healthy discount. I got a closeout CME Late 50s PBass that had really bad fret lift, had to glue about 10 frets back in, and a PJ with the most comically tragic setup Ive ever had out of the box other than the sub-budget Chinese direct to customer brands. When a Squier CV is great it's great but not all are.
I love this one though, got it with a P90 swap in mind. Can't speak for the Fenders but the Squier pickups are just humbuckers dressed up like Wide Range fatties.
How about a comparison between the 1975 Vintage II Deluxe and the American Professional II Deluxe?
Fender needs to offer more models in Left Handed Versions! They’re leaving us all out! 😢
I just want a Parallel Universe Vol. 2 Troublemaker Telecaster Deluxe (non bigsby model) in a colour other than white … I am going for the Gibson Les Paul made by Fender …
Both good deals I think. The AV had a little more depth and projection in all phases. The use of CNC and PLEK has narrowed the differences between the various price level guitars.
The Squier definitely mroe aggressive sounding , the US one sounds too clean for my liking
Nice
That thumb ⚡️
Distorted both sounds the same. The difference is clear on the clean channel. Anyways, Squiers are amazing guitars. I had a 52 CV and it was great.
0:53 Beautiful guitar. How much is that one?
each guitars is good but I like american ventage sounds
I generally really like your channel , specially Coopers demos and his vibe is just cool AF.. But I think you are missing the Vintera in this comparison.
I have had both a Tele and Strat from the American Original line.. Which were great.
But I just got a Vintera 70's tele deluxe and that is one of the best bang for the buck Fenders I have owned.
It just seems a lot to pay top $$$ for a poly coated guitar (I understand it's period correct). The Vintera sounds awesome so I just don't see the CuNiFe pickups in the AVii being worth over double the price over the Vintera, unless your dream guitar specific is a 1975 Tele Deluxe.
The Vinteras should definitely be part of the conversation. There price has been creeping up though and they are well above the price of what I would call mid-range now and knocking on the door of expensive. Funnily enough, the Vintera has the more period correct polyester finish, though I think the polyurethane of the AVII is the superior finish. The AVII is expensive, no doubt about it, but not uncompelling as a proposition. The cunife pickups are something people want -- and here you get it without having to pay up for an actual vintage guitar with the risks of picking up a 70s dud that weighs a tonne and has a thick finish and a wobbly neck.
That all said, I'm considering getting a 50s modified Vintera strat, because it kind of hits the sweet spot for me in various ways.
I have a Squier Tele deluxe in sparkly purple metalllic. The 3 way switch goes up and down not left to right like in your video. Had to change the tuners, saddles, & nut coz stock are rubbish. The pups are fine and I haven't upgraded them
Does Fender use 500k pots on their humbucker models?
If I could get any deluxe I wanted I would go with the kingfish.. those AVs are nice tho.. the squire too
The kingfish is like the deluxe, but without all the bells and whistles.
@@georgehoggatt3759 wdym bells and whistles
Soundwise this Squier is ok but (at least in my case) it has problem with sharp fret edges. Probably neck wood shrinked a little making them protruding on sides. Neck is glossy finished so there is no way to humidify it. I had to go to a lutier to fix the issue but it resulted with a little finish damage (whitch is no suprise because it should be done before applying finish). I haven't had such problem with cheaper guitars so it was disappointing.
Screws in neck saddles are a little bit annoying when action is set low. Probably it's fixable with a metal filler. It's probably matter of vintage design.
In general it's nice guitar and I'm happy but neck issue in such price range is disappointing. I really like those wide-range pickups. I have a Shecter whitch was cheaper but fretboard is super smooth and i can set up lower action because fretwork is much better.
I like Tele deluxes best of both worlds big headstock and humbuckers.
A great comparison as always and goes to show once again how great value the Classic Vibes really are. But I would not call a 450$ guitar cheap. I think it's more like a mid priced instrument. Aren't those like the most expensive Squiers out there? Sure, it's a lot cheaper than the AV II but it's still not cheap for a lot of people. Affinitys and Bullets are cheap.
By the way, I own that Squier Classic Vibe 70's Tele Deluxe as well as MIA and MIM Fenders (and a Classic Vibe Esquire) and it sure is one hell of a guitar for the price! Been thinking about saving up for the AV but it's really hard to justify the price. Maybe I'll just swap the CuNiFe pickups in mine. 🤔
I thought about doing that as well but those cunife pups are $250 each!
Terrible distortion, good video in general.
I feel like the Fender sounded a little bit better.. but not by much at all.. Squier all day if youre spending my money.
The 7ties were a dark time for Fender guitars. I had a Stratocaster which was crap compared to the todays squires. The 3bolt neckplates were a pain in the … the Neck used to change position while playing so you got out of tune.
Remember more than anything. They are..... great............salesmen.
nothing wrong with squier but is harsh compared to AV II thin treble and mids less musically… american is fuller, mellow and shiny at the same time… said that hands down squier price and quality.. maybe w another set pick up it goes well but it depends by body pine response
Somebody get Cooper a Snickers!
Anyone know can you wire up coil splitting in the Squire so you can still get some regular Tele sounds out of it as well?
My understanding is not all humbuckers can be split in to single coils.
It depends on the internal wiring.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I like the Pokémon reference.
If I had the money and the space I would "Catch 'em all!" when it comes to the Squire CV line.
No real comparison...the av 2 is wayyy better. Gotta say, that boss pedal sucks though...sounds like a crappy setting from an old line 6 spyder, circa 2007...just sounds super compressed and epicly scratchy.
squier classic vibe rules, with my strat i thought i was getting a placeholder guitar but i just think i’ll keep this one forever.
CV Strats are brilliant (except for the trems).
@@voiceofexperience i diiid replace the tremolo and nut on mine
Nuance, nuance, nuance. I was painting and just listening to this. To my ears they sounded almost identical. I am not sure which guitar Cooper played first, but that one sounded better to me.
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Checked while paint is drying. Lmao. The squire wins on sound.
Squires are amazing, but qc on the electronics is hit-or-miss on these new Chinese models. Much better fret jobs than the Indonesian-made
Remember guys, we are in the future now!
This is a great video and the sound of both guitars is very nice. However, it doesnt tell you at all how it feels to pick it up and play iit. And i can tell you.... there is a big difference. And i have owned both kinds of guitars. Maybe thats not important to you. But there is something about holding and playing a high quality guitar. Thats probably true with things like fishing rods and golf clubs. Shit, q timex will tell the same time as a rolex but you can tell the difference.
So, where's the "cheap" guitar?
why can’t anyone spell Squier properly??
The Tele Deluxe is a Poplar body.
Not a fan of the DS1W. Way too harsh and shrill. Covers up the tone of the guitar.
@ghost mall I agree. IMO you want a pedal to enhance the tone like a good drive whether it be a pedal or straight from the amp. The distortion is a take away for me and does the guitar an injustice. But thank you to @Alamo Music Center for an informational video. The clean demos were great and the playing is top notch. Kudos for that!
@ghost mall Yes it also depends in the settings. Good point👍🏻
That distortion sounds so horrible. I don't get it, how can the shop put this on line after listening to that sound ? Another pedal, or just another amp? This demo doesn't do the guitar justice in the gain department.
I tried the Telecaster AV75 Deluxe with a Fender Deluxe Reverb amp, and Klon style pedal, the sound was insanely good . Not that crap fizzy stuff here.
Impossible to compare the two guitars sound here since they just sound horrible
I want so bad to convince myself to buy a the squire, but I have a feeling I’m going to split the difference of the two any buy a Charvel Pro Mod Style 2. I love the vintage styling, but the versatility of the Charvel trumps both the Squire and the Fender IMO.
You guys are way better than Andertons - those guys are annoying AF.
Squire sounds good but that American is just 🔥
What was the point lol? Here is the gain, then just plays leads. That doesn't help anyone hear anything.
That’s 85% of demo videos.
Maybe showcase the guitar and not your scales
Biggest difference is in the neck and the setup. Squires we have to mess with every time we buy one, working on frets, truss rod, and intonation. Many people can't do this without professional help, so these cheap instruments don't make sense to buy as beginners. A nice expensive guitar will inspire most people to play more often, but most are too cheap, or can't afford one.
Far too much plastic on those guitars, like a big scratch plate, and they should have given them a different name, other than being Fender's Les Paul knock off and having the same body outline, these are not telecasters.
The 3 bolt neck was the worst design ever as it caused the necks to be weaker , hence why most players of Fenders go for the 50s or 60s Teles not the 70s as CBS really drove down the QC
nice comparison! Chris comes off as a bit of a smart@$$ tho...
09 /42 strings for the Squier
10/46 strings for the Fender
Not the same sound 😊
Problem is you turn up to an audition with the squire, they'll laugh you out the pub.