TAS is going to change Freestyling FOREVER

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2022
  • TAS or Tool Assisted Speed Runs are coming to Rocket League. Is this going be the end of Freestylers in Rocket League? With TAS giving players a new way to fake clips and cheat world records, there is definitely a cause for concern. But will a public TAS BakkesMod Plugin really make human freestyles obsolete? In this video I will cover the history of hacks and cheats in Rocket League, explain what TAS is and isn't, and explore both sides of this controversial topic. TAS has the potential to take Rocket League to places it's never gone before by creating shots no human can do or even helping players discover new mechanics. And it all starts now. Use this link to download the FREE Rocket League TAS Plugin and try it out for yourself: bakkesplugins.com/plugins/vie... Watch Blaku's TAS Tutorial: • How to make a TAS shot...
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  • @Rocket_Sledge
    @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Download TAS for yourself free and safely on the BakkesMod Website: bakkesplugins.com/plugins/view/351
    Watch the entries for the FIRST Rocket League TAS Competition: th-cam.com/video/-xbqIxs793I/w-d-xo.html
    Watch Blaku's TAS Tutorial Video here: th-cam.com/video/5tnJVYB0XI0/w-d-xo.html and join my discord to share TAS ideas and tips: discord.com/invite/sledge

    • @b3njaminp251
      @b3njaminp251 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Dude got his plugin stolen by guys making money out of it, then decide to make it free for everyone, this blaku guy is a mastermind

    • @BlueMaxwell
      @BlueMaxwell ปีที่แล้ว +1

      awesome my dude!!

    • @adanhead5804
      @adanhead5804 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hey ik blaku hes on twitch and hes a very nice person.

    • @t.w.videos1739
      @t.w.videos1739 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is known as a taf not a tas btw

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@t.w.videos1739 Since TAS was only publicly released with this video it really isn't "known" as anything because up until very recently TAS was not a part of Rocket League at all. TAF is a good way to describe it but I decided to stick to the more general term when describing it here. Personally I would like to keep the TAS designation and call them "Tool Assisted Shots"

  • @froggouk2
    @froggouk2 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    "oh, you're selling my TAS tools? Fine, I'm releasing it for free"
    - Absolute Chad

  • @QuoteVG
    @QuoteVG ปีที่แล้ว +157

    This TAS guy just dominates every game he plays, unbelievable......

    • @Garouriel
      @Garouriel ปีที่แล้ว +3

      lmaoo

    • @Spud_Farmer
      @Spud_Farmer ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Ikr he should join rlcs
      (Wait is this fore shadowing)

    • @Verzion
      @Verzion ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Lmao, when I was new to TAS I thought that tas was a guy and he was insanely good at games 😂

  • @rip_8114
    @rip_8114 ปีที่แล้ว +398

    nice take on TAS tbh. I love TAS but it's going to be controversial because people will abuse it. Either way, best we can do is hope that moderation and cheat detecting tools are developed and implemented faster than cheating and faking tools can appear. It's probably impossible as you can't predict every cheating method but it should be the goal moving forward.

    • @luw
      @luw ปีที่แล้ว +15

      i doubt tas would be used for cheating in online games, tas is just prerecorded moves, so u wouldn't even be able to use it to cheat, even the slightest positioning will make the TAS not work. Also TAS only meaning in life is to be abused, to discover the game limits.

    • @rip_8114
      @rip_8114 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@luw I guess it depends on what you call a TAS. The term stands for "tool assisted speedrun" so technically it doesn't apply to rocket league except for training packs really. You could argue that bots are TAS because they are a tool assisted way to explore and optimize gameplay which is what TAS was originally intended for. I think it's easier to put everything in the same basket and that way we can talk about the issue of cheating and scamming in a more intuitive way. The thing is that TAS has been used widely in deterministic straight forward games, but roctket league is so different that it's hard to compare.

    • @luw
      @luw ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@rip_8114 so your point is... u didnt said anything about my statements

    • @froggouk2
      @froggouk2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rip_8114 TAS, whilst technically meaning any Tool assisted runs, has been largely quantified to frame by frame input in solo speedruns. To be able to use anything like a TAS in a live online game, you'd
      1) Have to make sure it's undetectable and remains that way
      2) Have a script ready to be fired for every position, angle, relation to the ball, opponents, team mates etc at all times . Essentially, you'd need an AI that's smart enough, which already exists and TH-camr have pranked people, but again not perfect and many players can still out smart and out play those AIs.
      TAS is not a concern apart from people faking clips for clout and money. AT this point, I think any clips lose their credibility unless they have an input display on the clip

    • @Idkwhattoputhere...306
      @Idkwhattoputhere...306 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@luw Hmm not rlly making use of TAS in game only takes a bit of skill,lets say flicks as an example,its technically possible to get a flick over 150 kph since ive done it once before,it usually only takes that one flick and a program to refine it.(idk if RL has anti cheat but ignore this comment if they have anti cheat)

  • @ThundaSurge
    @ThundaSurge ปีที่แล้ว +107

    Liked the video, and I think it is very important to get the free TAS tool as much public awareness as we can as it stops the BitTas crew from ever getting any traction. Was very sad that Blaku's TAS plugin was pretty much stolen but now with it free to everybody, Tyrese can't make any money on what he is trying to do.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Agreed!

    • @Captain_Frosty
      @Captain_Frosty ปีที่แล้ว

      Or just hear me out, we don't give any public awareness to any cheat tools. Crazy I know.

  • @MBaderson
    @MBaderson ปีที่แล้ว +218

    You'll always still need a level of creativity and some skill even with TAS, but I think it would be cool to see people embrace it by pulling off the weirdest things with the in-game physics... As long as it stays fair and honest. It probably won't "remove" freestyling like we know it today but it could add an interesting new form depending on how it is used

    • @TC7-Thecomplex7
      @TC7-Thecomplex7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's could honestly just be like how Speedruners have their own category for TAS runs and regular runs for most games.

    • @Pixillnow
      @Pixillnow ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TC7-Thecomplex7 and this comment in general are completely right. Tas is a whole thing in itself. And as long as you can moderate who is and isn’t using it in actual “freestyle” tournaments (keep in mind this would be basically impossible to use under any other circumstances) it’s not that much of an issue. If anything it just adds more depth to the already amazing game we know and love

    • @Xyles7
      @Xyles7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In other games TAS speedruns added mechanics to real speedruns so the same could happen with rocket league

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Xyles7 I could picture somebody training a massive reset chain with TAS, and then eventually doing one legit. Once the mechanic is proven possible, somebody will do it.

    • @hallvarhustad
      @hallvarhustad ปีที่แล้ว

      It won't remove it, but certainly all freestyle will seem tame in comparison. Kind of how everyone was blown away by flip resets and double taps and ceiling shots earlier in rocket leagues life.

  • @Vindilax
    @Vindilax ปีที่แล้ว +80

    I personally think that Halfway Dead has the most entertaining idea for TAS currently; speedrunning various packs and courses. TAS Freestyling is cool and all, but there's something about seeing a crazy complicated dribble course completed in a theoretically perfect run is fascinating to me. Either way, the potential for TAS is going to be a very interesting journey to see unfold.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Yep for sure. Using TAS to actually speedrun in RL is a given, it's just a very small part of the community so I decided not to cover that aspect.

  • @steliux4603
    @steliux4603 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    You are definately a gem for this community. Preventing scams and encouraging a good use of tas :)

  • @RocketScience
    @RocketScience ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I want to add a couple of points:
    1. If you change game speed with anything but BakkesMod, the indicator will not flash at a different speed. If anyone believes that they can detect cheaters in any offline activity purely based on these kinds of indicators, they have to be very naive. The only way to make sure that games are not played in slow motion and other cheats is to force people to have a controller cam like other speedrunning communities.
    2. I have not looked at that pinch shot in detail myself, but I have to just point out that RL physics are pretty weird and I would not classify a pinch shot that got 3 ticks of acceleration necessarily as fake. If the acceleration happens a tenth of a second later then it is definitely fake, but 3 ticks in a row may be possible even if that's not the norm. For reference, when you hit the ball in the middle of the air, you only expect one contact because you don't push it against an object so it will just fly away from you immediately when you touch it. RL cars or the ball are not squishy after all. However, what I found during my TAS of the training pack, was that I had 2 touches on my last shot. I was attempting the final part over and over again to get as much power as possible and randomly got 15kph more on a shot. Once I investigated that shot, I found that the ball accelerates two ticks in a row, meaning that I must've touched it two ticks in a row.
    3. Online: TAS requires the starting state of everything to be identical. That means, even in theory, you can only do it on kickoff. So you can ruin any attempts at cheating in online freestyle competitions by just going for the kickoff. You will never be able to get the game back into the same state again. In comp games that means that in theory people might be able to get more consistent kickoffs, but that can usually be countered by creative kickoffs. Also, the way they're currently programmed, it cannot work in online games. You'd have to do it differently by editing network packets or something, and even then the difference between AMD and Intel Servers could ruin the TAS.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Fortunately I think the overlap of players that want to cheat clips in RL and those that have the abilities and desire to make mods outside of BakkesMod is usually very small. Thus you usually end up with the "kids" that can only use already available plugins that are easier to detect.

  • @Maktuf
    @Maktuf ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video 🙌
    Very well made 😄❤

  • @neilthurston2934
    @neilthurston2934 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ay sledge never dissapoints with his uploads

  • @klankenanker
    @klankenanker ปีที่แล้ว

    Excited to see the tas competition!!!

  • @Gammer4862
    @Gammer4862 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The videos just get better and better

    • @hhaste
      @hhaste ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. I wasn't a huge fan back in the day but every video that comes in, makes me enjoy this channel more and more.

  • @wildmonkeycar
    @wildmonkeycar ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Every tool has a dark side. A hammer can be used on nails to build, or it can smash a window to steal things. The determining factor is the intent behind it, and the one who uses the tool for said intent

    • @noahcalkins3074
      @noahcalkins3074 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      W comment

    • @luw
      @luw ปีที่แล้ว

      which in this case this doesn't seem to have a dark one, u can't even use to it in online games, it's just prerecorded moves

    • @wildmonkeycar
      @wildmonkeycar ปีที่แล้ว

      @@luw The darkside is how people use it to try to cheat world records

    • @hhaste
      @hhaste ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly. I've been saying that for *years* about other things but people refuse to change their false beliefs.. it's wild.

    • @luw
      @luw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hhaste the only way TAS will be able to be used as "dark side" would be on freeplay, its impossible to use it in online games due to TAS being manual prerecorded moves. WRs need a lot of proof, not just footage. i doubt anyone would be able to hide using TAS. TAS will only bring good to the freestyle community.

  • @justanotherpxrson
    @justanotherpxrson ปีที่แล้ว

    The TAS shots I have seen so far are just super fun to watch

  • @Dioxzine
    @Dioxzine ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As mentioned in the video TAS is nothing new, I used to be apart of the TAS Trackmania community and I think it is good that it is coming to RL as then we can see what is possible, and it could lead to new mechanics or even understanding current mechanics better. It is a very good way to see what is theoretically possible and I think could make the top freestylers aspire to do more and be better from the TAS.

    • @mattwest9767
      @mattwest9767 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are right and I think the Trackmania TAS history is such a good blueprint for the RL community and devs to use. From what I remember it had the exact same fear and speculation when it really started to emerge. And to be fair there were bad actors trying to fake WRs and succeeding. But the community continuously evolves to protect itself and TAS expands our understanding of mechanics. Also it's not a matter of should it be allowed, people will find a way regardless, so it's better to figure out how to cut its nefarious use to a minimum and enjoy the new mechs.

  • @jayyy5270
    @jayyy5270 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With any development in tech it's always a question of who has control of it. The tech develops, better get it into the right hands. You did a good thing here making this publically available and known.

  • @jonrandomstuffclay1711
    @jonrandomstuffclay1711 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Anytime I try to find out what something is and explained in rocket league. Almost without fail I find it on your channel.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for the compliment!

  • @BumpoTheClown
    @BumpoTheClown ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video as always, Sledge!

  • @Yoso_tv
    @Yoso_tv ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm glad you mentioned Trackmania in this video, it's a very important piece of the puzzle, TAS is a very entertaining thing when it's put in context, and used to its full potential, while it has had some issues with the Trackmania replays, Rocket League isn't all about speedrunning times or the replays, and even freestyle being all about the shot, there will still be huge value held on people that can pull off sick shots live.
    If TAS becomes a big part of the freestyle community, and attracts its own viewership, it makes it an incentive for those people to stop trying to fake shots, and actually do good TAS content.

  • @ethnofalcon
    @ethnofalcon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. And great way to help shut down those jerks. Only thing the video was missing is talk of the potential of using TAS to train and increase the overall skill ceiling of the player base. TAS is used in other games as a blueprint for the possible and some people use that as inspiration to try the same or discover something else. I'll be interested to see if any legit, new, human achievable tech evolves from this.

  • @scepterlit
    @scepterlit ปีที่แล้ว

    I had no idea just how serious TAS really was! I hope we can get an interview or something from Impulse. I want to know if they were just trying to pull a huge prank or not. Great vid as always Sledge! 👍

  • @neblolthecarnerd
    @neblolthecarnerd ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Could just separate stuff between tas and no tas like pretty much every speedrun community

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yep, exactly!

    • @lemon66111
      @lemon66111 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Rocket_Sledge mario kart wii shortcut TASes are a pretty good example as well

  • @itsrickiii1856
    @itsrickiii1856 ปีที่แล้ว

    Letsgo Blaku!! Proud of you!

  • @Mike_Toreno
    @Mike_Toreno ปีที่แล้ว +3

    8:53 I've seen this already on Rocket Science's channel and I will never not be satisfied with this shot

  • @ipodman371
    @ipodman371 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for bringing this to light. ive been in the RL community since ~2016 and i had no idea TAS was in anyway available to RL players.

  • @biticalifi1879
    @biticalifi1879 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As someone' who's familiar with TAS in Trackmania games, I can't wait to see the new things that will done with Rocket League TAS!

  • @VskutkuTrigen
    @VskutkuTrigen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to hate TAS I used to think its just bot playing the game... but its sometimes exactly that but it needed ton of work to get to that point... and its soo cool to see what is possible but not reallly possible by human being.

  • @BodyOfPlayMusic
    @BodyOfPlayMusic ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video!!

  • @Yuhara_rev
    @Yuhara_rev ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well made video, nice.
    At first thought this would be simply be "TAS for public is here, these are things people can do with it. Isn't it cool" kind of video. Certainly didn't expect the potential scam using a stolen plugin.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well that's how the video started out for sure, until I started to research a little further.

  • @Kugly
    @Kugly ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:41 never thought that I'd see trackmania in a rocket sledge video lmao

    • @itamto5704
      @itamto5704 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      fr, but not the best tas choose thoo

  • @bhavikabachwani5833
    @bhavikabachwani5833 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been watching TAS runs for 5 years now and have tried making a few myself. Really cool that it is making its way into rocket league

  • @jerry3790
    @jerry3790 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It just means that we will need more live freestyle tournaments to truly judge their abilities

  • @EridCR
    @EridCR ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My huge respect to Blaku!, not only for releasing the TAS, but mostly for condemning scamming people.

  • @iGoSweatyy
    @iGoSweatyy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro made a whole rocket league presentation

  • @RLFanboy
    @RLFanboy ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "I can unlimited flip resets too!" -every plat ever

    • @brysoncorn4390
      @brysoncorn4390 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'm plat bud. We're not dumb, like I know I can only do 20-21 before my warm up 💀

    • @joethepro2405
      @joethepro2405 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@brysoncorn4390 Bro can only do 21 resets im in my triples 🤣

    • @barisdogru6437
      @barisdogru6437 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the better meme for this situation would be, "Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!"-Plats

  • @kokokaka3289
    @kokokaka3289 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    finally a TAS video thank you rocket sledge

  • @_WubbleU
    @_WubbleU ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video Sledge!

  • @hhaste
    @hhaste ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad you made this video. Someone should take that kid (Tyrese) to court and teach him how to not be a POS. He's lucky he's posting that on Tiktok, or else I'd be trolling every single post. I'll never make an account on that platform.

  • @Owlrrex
    @Owlrrex ปีที่แล้ว +2

    TAS has not killed speedrunning by and large, and I think freestyling and TAF (Tool Assisted Freestyling) can coexist in just the same way. Yes, you'll have to stay on your toes for cheating, and scandals will happen, but I have full faith that if other speedrunning communities can keep the scales tipped far in favour of honest, benign competition, then so can the Rocket League community.
    That being said, the exposure you provide here to Blaku & the situation is crucial to protect viewers from being misled. Outstanding work, again!

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      Well said. Another alternate name I like is "Tool Assisted Shot" which means it is still "TAS".

    • @Owlrrex
      @Owlrrex ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rocket_Sledge Oh that's also great, and able to keep the Acronym. Excellent!

    • @cyrnoz1803
      @cyrnoz1803 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Rocket_Sledge Tas also stands for "tool assisted superplay" wich still aplies here

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cyrnoz1803 ah I have never heard that one.

  • @michaelwilliams3206
    @michaelwilliams3206 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your channel is very underrated

  • @BuggyBuggerson
    @BuggyBuggerson ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Video Suggestions:
    Sledge! Make a video where it is rocket league, but each demo is a goal!
    Second Suggestion: Put 1 player from each rank in a 3v3 lobby of all pro players and see which rank performs the best

  • @azaad4395
    @azaad4395 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bloku sounds like dream to me

  • @jaspuhh.
    @jaspuhh. ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do a whole video on the Shimmy situation!

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I actually was planning to but then heard another creator was already working on one. If they end up not doing it I will come back and cover it in full.

  • @DigitalJedi
    @DigitalJedi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm developing my own TAS + bot system. I will not be releasing this system due to what people have already done with TAS tools. I currently have input recording and splicing down, and as the program emulates a controller input, it will show on a gamepad viewer. As far as the computer knows, the USB stick with the program on it is a controller. This is a virtual controller I can write macros to, and then edit those macros in software to get perfect timing of things. I can also record inputs at different speeds. I have a universal speed variable that allows me to scale the macro to any speed I want. 1 is default game speed, and I typically record tests at 0.5 for half speed, so I can have extra precision in the inputs I want to test.
    Another interesting thing I have found is that being able to switch from keyboard to controller and back has its advantages, but this comment is already a wall, so I won't go over it much further now.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds cool!

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Rocket_Sledge Thank you! I do want to clarify that this tool only exists as a way to reproduce inputs from testing things with each update, and I would never post a clip I hit with it.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DigitalJedi Fortunately the cross over of people as smart as you and people that want to cheat is very small. Which is why stuff like this will never really be an issue in RL.

  • @jonrandomstuffclay1711
    @jonrandomstuffclay1711 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know finally understand. Thank you. Now I'm tempted to try. Also, is tas kinda like how you can go into your old games and replay them?

  • @MckWells
    @MckWells ปีที่แล้ว +1

    TAS seems like the perfect tool to create videos like the RL trailers for new seasons and cars.

  • @SirLampsALot
    @SirLampsALot ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like and agree with your video, but my only gripe is that most of them (with the exception of HalfWayDead’s speedrun on dribbling) would fall under Tool Assisted Superplays as opposed to Tool Assisted Speedruns

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      Or "tool assisted shots"

    • @SirLampsALot
      @SirLampsALot ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Rocket_Sledge that works too lol

  • @gallade.5038
    @gallade.5038 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And i started to think that Rocket League was safe from cheats. "How could one cheat in a game like Rocket League?" I'm a fool to think that people would play *any* game without cheating. It's to the point where cheating in games is normal.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      Fortunately the server environment does make it mostly safe from cheats. No game is immune of course, but actual competitive cheats are rare. Cheating clips for clout is not though, but in the end a lot less serious.

  • @tortoiserl
    @tortoiserl ปีที่แล้ว +2

    as a solo freestyler on tiktok it makes me a bit sad to see tas being released to the public since I have already been accused many times of using it even though im spending a lot of time practicing these shots so I can get a good post on tiktok

  • @99MrX99
    @99MrX99 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it would be a good idea to show an overlay in a corner or so when the TAS plugin is being used, it may not prevent all cases of posing it as real but maybe limit it.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      You'll notice an overlay in the top center in Blaku's clips.

  • @CLW09
    @CLW09 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey I’m a platinum and I can unlimited flip reset is that good?

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I could unlimited flip reset in Gold but I guess everyone improves at different rates.

    • @DisableOrbitalz
      @DisableOrbitalz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Rocket_Sledge fr

    • @rraaiin
      @rraaiin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      idk man i hit an open net in diamond one time

  • @PKRL3322
    @PKRL3322 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is going to make freestyling so much more difficult now because there are going to be so many more people using TAS that we'll have to decide are fake or not. Controller overlays and live streams are gonna be necessary at this point to prove you don't use it.

  • @starpuprl
    @starpuprl ปีที่แล้ว

    Lemme shimmy this up a bit!

  • @cesaarrock
    @cesaarrock ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why did no one think of editing in a boost meter with the regular rate on top of the sped up one rather than just hiding the thing as a whole...

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      Because the overlap of people that want to cheat FS clips and those that are smart or skilled enough to do editing tricks is very small.

  • @zacraman
    @zacraman ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best way to defeat a cheat, normalise it. Making it available to everyone, creating competition, brilliant! Thank you for your contribution to the RL community.

  • @playagame3107
    @playagame3107 ปีที่แล้ว

    interesting video, thanks

  • @TheViandeSechee
    @TheViandeSechee ปีที่แล้ว

    Blaku have the exact same voice of Otacon in Metal Gear Solid, this is crazy

  • @OP-Lifter
    @OP-Lifter ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done man

  • @ChrisRobertsVlogs
    @ChrisRobertsVlogs ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With slow-mo, what's to stop someone simply cropping the boost section, slowing it down to match the speed of the game played in slow-mo, importing that onto the original clip and overlaying it, then speeding it all back up together to make it the correct speed? Seems that if someone wants to cheat it's still pretty easy already, no?

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The kids that want to cheat are rarely the ones that have ability or desire to put that much work into it. Fortunately that barrier to entry means most faking methods are rarely a big issue and if someone more well known *does* try stuff like that, they have so many eyes on them it eventually gets found out.

  • @the1exnay
    @the1exnay ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want to see a TAS exploring the ceiling shuffle. Seeing if perfection can allow one to drive on the ceiling indefinitely

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a cool idea!

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm already using this as a test case for my TAS + ML project. So far it seems promising. The best run stayed up for 1716 game ticks, or 14.3 seconds. Unfortunately I don't have video of these runs, as I just run the RL physics without the graphics for each generation to save my poor GPUs some real headache.

  • @RogatkaWR
    @RogatkaWR ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm all for people using TAS to see what could be accomplished with perfect inputs. However, using TAS to cheat records, selling other people's programs for a profit, and to claim like a section of TASed gameplay has been frowned upon for years in the Minecraft, Terraria, and Trackmania communities. It will most likely have a similar result in Rocket League as it already has in these games, in which the community will combat the development of cheating using TAS.

  • @SwiFTLetho
    @SwiFTLetho ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video

  • @RetroWarhead
    @RetroWarhead ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you freestyling in RL and drifting have things in common. Both judge based style sports. One of the most exciting things about tandem drifting is knowing there’s humans behind the wheel. There’s been videos of robot driven vehicles drifting but it’s not the same. It’s cool to see a robot run a perfect line once, but very boring after a while. It’s more impressive and exciting to see a driver do the same consistently. I’m sure TAS while have it’s place. But, overall I think it’ll just become a fun niche thing and freestyling will continue to grow as is. With players pushing each other to get better the same way drivers do at the track.

  • @arraysab5663
    @arraysab5663 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice

  • @tas9108
    @tas9108 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Damn, so I've become a bot

  • @pulsefrost9562
    @pulsefrost9562 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is going to be rough for the future of freestyle and its crazy impulse is trying to play it off like they were not going scam people and not actually sell anything and that they were just “trolling” its crazy

  • @Lt.Waffles
    @Lt.Waffles ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Couple things you missed about TAS, or maybe I should say rephrased, it's main use in the speedrunning community is finding ways to beat a game in it's potentially fastest way possible which doesn't always mean it can't be humanly impossible. Many speedruns in various games use certain paths to figure out if a certain trick, glitch, shortcut, or options can even be done with a set input. While it can be optimized to the impossible fastest way, most of the time it's to figure out if a real person can do it in a reasonable high skill way. Or simulating thousand of runs for specific parameters. There's always cheating in speedrunning records and besides having experts figuring out fake from real ones, there are also other tools in place that help detect cheaters, such as inputs made by the peripherals used that are recorded with precise accuracy that shows if inputs they're using is even humanly possible. This is something that can easily show if speedruns are faked with TAS or not and i'd say even in RL. The only issue is that there would need to be a certain program used that can detect it that people would have to have before even attempting a speedrun and submitting, or have it only sent in log wise with a replay straight from RL, instead of just recording it on OBS or w.e. other recording software. I know Trackmania does this with their official speedruns.

  • @rraaiin
    @rraaiin ปีที่แล้ว

    didnt expect to see trackmania here

  • @sugarneap
    @sugarneap ปีที่แล้ว

    hehe i was hoping he would include a trackmania clip. That used to be a huge scandal lol

  • @WinTheOnion
    @WinTheOnion ปีที่แล้ว +1

    trackmania has TAS, yet its speedrunning scene is doing just fine.

  • @Blackbird1928
    @Blackbird1928 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    TAS in the original super Mario bros was one of the greatest developments in the speedrunning scene there, allowing players to have a bench match to strive for “perfection”. I’ve always loved watching TAS videos but nothing will ever compare to being live on Kosmic’s stream while he beats the world record himself after hours and years of grinding. This won’t take away from the community will add to it, giving high level players new tools to elevate their game and create “perfect” mechanics to strive for. For the people using it to scam others, people be like that their name gets tainted and no one will trust what they put out anymore.
    High level players understand the games on a level the other 99.99% cannot fathom. Don’t worry, fakes will be routed out and disbarred.

  • @THEGUARDIANSTACO117
    @THEGUARDIANSTACO117 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    As an enjoyer of speedrunning, TAS is a wonderful thing. That being said, people who use TAS and claim they're the ones doing the gameplay are scum and trash. TAS is for the people who want to see a game pushed to it's absolute limits. I liked the Trackmania clip that you link and I'm sure you know they had a big cheating scandal with some of their WR holders, so hopefully we don't have too many people trying to abuse it for fame and subs as it will come back to bite them. SM64 would've been another good game for a TAS clip, too. The problem is a lot of people are easily impressionable and not super knowledgeable at the same time, so people using TAS to make nice shots and then not labeling it as a TAS in the video are going to have people think they are gods, like with Tyrese as you were showing. Content creators for RL need to be on the same page that anyone using TAS for clips needs to label it as such in order to avoid any confusion. As far as WRs go, TAS can have their own separate category like they do in other games. WR held by humans can still be fought over by humans, while the TAS side of things will be trying to edge out frames over one another. This can also open up the potential to find new mechanics possibly.

  • @txma.
    @txma. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like TAS is going to increase the skill ceiling significantly. I mean imagine Justin using TAS to learn new shots or mechanics that would otherwise be impossible to practice over and over again. I also feel like people will start improving a lot faster using TAS as a training tool rather than to just look cool

    • @metaliode
      @metaliode ปีที่แล้ว

      exactly why it got my interest, tools are supposed to be OPTION to show new ways, not something you use to make views like you're the one playing, but tools dont have ego so there's always stupid peoples using them for something stupid and its a sad occurence for the game and all the players that would make us look like cheaters

  • @goblue2246
    @goblue2246 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is not pulse impulse btw guys ❤

  • @jared_deraj
    @jared_deraj ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm so excited to get home and see what I can do with this. I don't think it's a negative thing at all. Been looking forward to TAS in RL for years

  • @SurfsUpSeth
    @SurfsUpSeth ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah but you also can take that section of the boost screen and slow down the blinking to match the sped up video. Since the boost overlay isn’t transparent. So really the slow motion strat is still viable

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi ปีที่แล้ว

      You can also slow down the game with anything other than bakkesmod. Only bakkes leaves the boost meter and other UI elements alone. Manually altering the tick rate should slow everything down.

  • @nviwraith5271
    @nviwraith5271 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    damn, i had no idea DL G got exposed, i remember seeing that way back.

  • @lynqsx
    @lynqsx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Recently I thought about TASing in Rocket League but I got to the point that TASing in Rocket League is not that influencel like in other games.

  • @yougow1000
    @yougow1000 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is awesome

  • @Salty_rl
    @Salty_rl ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really thought that tiktoker was legit. Thanks for informing the community on being more aware on these plugins.

  • @tasshuffler8905
    @tasshuffler8905 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In this context, it’s known as a TAF (Tool Assisted Freerun). Obviously no speedrunning involved with Rocket League :)

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like "tool assisted shot" but I wasn't about to use less common names for titling and thumbnails though. We'll see what the community decides as we go forward in this new chapter of Rocket League.

  • @toothboto1719
    @toothboto1719 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    another well made video as always 👏 Unfortunately, TAS coming to the masses marks a sad day for the future of rocket leagues integrity for competitive play.

    • @hesiiii
      @hesiiii ปีที่แล้ว

      how would TAS affect the integrity of competitive play?

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hesiiii Other than kickoffs I really can't see how just yet. If somebody manages to give an AI the controls for a shot though, we could see some interesting things.

    • @hesiiii
      @hesiiii ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DigitalJedi TAS cant affect anything in game though, its just in freeplay. in my eyes using TAS doesn't inherently make you any better than freeplay would.

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hesiiii A macro kickoff would be 100% consistent, and with TAS they can have a perfect speed flip to almost beat you to the ball every time.
      As for shots, having the ability to make frame-perfect inputs can give you a perfect power hit on every ball with perfect placement. Sure, you could invest 10000 hours of your life to have Leth's shooting ability, or the code can do it.

    • @hesiiii
      @hesiiii ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DigitalJedi but it doesn’t work in game, only freeplay

  • @hexeggen
    @hexeggen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly, when it comes to legitimacy, the freestyler might have to provide a hand cam. It is just like the Geometry Dahs community where clicks/hand cams are a necessity.

  • @TheVectorious
    @TheVectorious ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please make a video going over the discord investigation. That would be super interesting. Plus I’m too lazy to go read the discord.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think there is another creator already doing it and that's why I decided to not go into it too much.

    • @TheVectorious
      @TheVectorious ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Rocket_Sledge lol. “Another creator”

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheVectorious 😘 didn't want to step on the little guy's toes.

  • @remedy3507
    @remedy3507 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sledge, you should look into freestylers stalling with one button, a while ago I was looking into it and was kind of shocked with how many freestylers seemed to be using it. I know they’re really good, but when you look at some of their controller overlays it looks super fishy. Specifically maktuf was one who seemed weird to me. I looked up how to do it myself and you can paste a command into your game files which allows you to stall w one button in epic, or use the steam controller software. When comparing what the stall looked like on his with the one on mine with the one button stall they looked super similar even though he says he doesn’t do it with one button. The joystick gets clicked and a perfect stall is done. I get he’s really good, but the consistency is almost inhuman with how perfect the input is. I had it setup how I thought he had it with stalling being on left joystick. I’m probably reaching, but still on the topic of cheating, it might be worth someone like you looking into as you’re more connected and are probably better suited to look into something like this. Would love to hear your input, and great vid.

    • @tortuga3402
      @tortuga3402 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is legal even in competitive. You're allowed to stall with one button. So it's not cheating, for Maktuf specifically you could argue he's lying about it, but you're allowed to make these kinds of keybinds for rocket league.

    • @remedy3507
      @remedy3507 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tortuga3402 I didn’t know that. Still I feel like it makes him less of a fs if he is

    • @richiegrails
      @richiegrails ปีที่แล้ว

      Maktuf uses l3 for left air roll, so he needs to hit it for stalls

  • @thisisaduck
    @thisisaduck ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think we’ll need a Guinness world record type system to validate stuff like chained flip reset records where there’s a trusted community member present when it happens to make sure everything is legit. It’s a bit complicated but would definitely help.

    • @billyrussell8684
      @billyrussell8684 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Frees style tournaments gonna have to be live streamed with full view. The ball is stationary on kick off so could see a whole plug in if your first to go or opponent just scored.

    • @TheMathias95
      @TheMathias95 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@billyrussell8684
      Or simply just have some 3rd representative ingame give you the ball, that removes the static kickoff.

    • @joshuadrinkwater4391
      @joshuadrinkwater4391 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A camera looking at the controller or keyboard required. Sorted

  • @hugowhitten5986
    @hugowhitten5986 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can someone do a tutorial on how to use the plugin please?

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      Blaku will hopefully have one coming out soon!

  • @Borealis0000
    @Borealis0000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Probably have to make streaming required for valid records.

  • @mralias225
    @mralias225 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    may i say that a TAS is a Tool-Assisted-Speedrun
    what do you need to speedrun in RocketLeague?

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      Well there is speed run maps on RL but I guess a better term is "tool assisted shots" to describe what this can do.

  • @BlackFlame987
    @BlackFlame987 ปีที่แล้ว

    yk, this could actually be a good learning tool for certain mechanics

  • @babykill21
    @babykill21 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sledge is the sirpugger of Rocket league, love it haha.

  • @kingkaizoku85
    @kingkaizoku85 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    havent seen the video yet but TAS stands for tool assisted speedrun.
    So shouldnt we say TAF or something for tool assisted freestyling?

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. Or Tool Assisted Shot. But for titling purposes and discussion it's best to use the most common terms I think. A new name can be decided later.

  • @SimplyTiffany2009
    @SimplyTiffany2009 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah I’m never trusting another freeplay clip

  • @kerbinsphere
    @kerbinsphere ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm glad to see at least some justice has been served here, terrible that people are trying to scam people though
    I also plan to release my own TAS thing using RL bot. Pretty much you just set up inputs in a file and the bot executes them for you. This means you don't need to be able to do any part of the original shot to use this. You could do 30 flip resets in a row without being able to do 1 yourself. I don't know if I'm going to be able to pull this off though and I'm worried about people cheating with this. Luckily RL bot uses an offline only version of rocket league so it's impossible for it to be brought into competitive and even if that did happen it'd be useless since it also needs a static start for probably at least 15 seconds. I'm more concerned about people faking clips with this, I'll def try and do something to prevent that before releasing it. I have no idea if I'll be able to do this but if I can I won't be releasing it for a while. Anyway if you'd be interested in seeing this like this comment and/or reply with your thoughts.

    • @Rocket_Sledge
      @Rocket_Sledge  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would definitely be interested in looking at this when you have a working model that you want to show off.

  • @Ninjakiw1
    @Ninjakiw1 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a TrackMania player I think TAS is mostly a good thing, firstly for showing things that wouldn't be humanly possible and also for theorizing potential shortcuts in TrackMania or other tricks in rocket league, the rules regarding WR might have to be updated with things like a controller cam or something like that but I don't see that as an issue

  • @-bizzle
    @-bizzle ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but did he say you can use TAS in private matches? How do you go about doing this? Messing with TAS in private matches would be a cool idea tbh, doing things that we can never do

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi ปีที่แล้ว

      They likely can't. Even over a perfect connection, the server's slightly variable latency would affect the TAS negatively. Even the tiny differences between an AMD / Intel / Ampere server would be enough to change some things ever so slightly.

  • @helixswitcherhoff9175
    @helixswitcherhoff9175 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:42 funny how the clip i made to prank my friends that i got a 211 (and made the video private on youtube) gets in the video

  • @kushjhaveri2850
    @kushjhaveri2850 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am a huge fan of TAS in Minecraft speedrunning and now it's coming to RL freestyling!

  • @FreeZ_Zee
    @FreeZ_Zee ปีที่แล้ว

    It's all over.