I see a lot of stupid ways to do a shower base. We do several shower pan rebuilds a year. No preslope is common as well as building the curb some stupid way. I like a solid surface curb tops so there are no grout joints to let water in at that crucial area. Love the cleanable weep hole idea. Hard water here in Missouri is super common.
I really appreciate this video - thank you. I think this is the exact problem we are having right now, and you explained it well. I had no idea water was basically expected to seep into these spots and that weepholes were intended for that reason. I also think our curb is based upon 2x4 which would explain the cracking with swells. Thanks again.
Been watching a ton of these videos, and im happy to see this ine! I recently got a house with water damage around the shower curb and like to know what im looking for in regards to how it failed. Keep up the awesome content!
I did floated pans and walls with a tile guy back in the early 90s in the Sacramento area. He in his wisdom used fiberglass from cigarette filters to plug the weep holes. I never knew if that worked but we did a few showers for sure that way.
This had little to do with weep holes and more with wallboard/mortar wicking into wood....weep holes with tar maybe, but water still gets through mortar in those holes, I've proved it. Suppose it's the drawback of hotmopping using tar for your pan. Had you taken out walls almost 100% you would see wallboard inside pan.
That wouldn't even be code in CA. Your board (DensShield) needs to end 3 inches above the top of the curb. I think this failure is either clogged weep holes, not enough pre slope or a combo of both.
I have been doing showers hot mopped , paper, wire, scratch, and float never had any issues ., I always make sure my weep holes are unclogged before I float and floated showers last 100s of years I bet these new system don’t even last 20 years if they are lucky.
Not sure if it would work for those weep holes, but I have found that aluminum chain link fence ties have a lot of other uses. They are easy to shape and are fairly strong. I’ve used them to clear weep holes in storm windows.
I don’t understand how a foam curb would be any different. The foam is going to give way eventually, I mean it’s foam. I also don’t get how they install a shower door on a foam curb. Even if they silicone the door. Or use a frameless shower door they have to screw into the foam curb. The foam will not provide enough support for the weight and movement of the door opening and closing
How would you stop moisture/water infiltrating the grout in the first place, or not long after install? 511 impregnating sealer, and/or something else? Seeing bubbles and efforescence after power washing outdoor tiled deck. schluter on 1-1/4" ply. Premixed bostik urethane grout, figured that'd flex and seal. But am having efforesecence issues here. Trying to seal and delay tile fail , everything fails eventually, my goal is to delay fail to be after I do.
I’m no engineer but wouldn’t a sealed system with a weep drain be a bullet proof system?No mortar to clog weep holes and all the water would be captured and contained by the Kerdi?
Tile Coach, so weep holes let water drain. When showering with maximum volume of water wouldn't water also flow back through weep holes ? Problem could potentially be water backup in drain causing weep holes to constantly be wet and never drain ? Just a theory.
I need help. I appear to have the same issue. I filed an insurance claim. However, the insurance adjuster blamed the damage on failure to maintain the grout. How do I get this claim approved?
I like Isaac he’s thorough and a hell of a tradesmen..Not like that hack from Starr tile…The last shower he did had more lips than a Chinese massage parlor..it was about as water tight as the titanic…after it sunk…ba da boom ba da bing baby!
whats the point of that drain flange above the weep hole other than to help locate the floor waste? Wouldnt an oversized pipe and then a separate drain set in the tiles be better
hey coach thinkin of transforming a shower stall with curb into a curbless, shower -bathroom it has a bath tub now and window over it. ,can u help me .i want glass wall tiles etc. west adams area los angeles.
I can not tell 100% from what I can see in this video, but the weep holes look to be very high up in the assembly ! I have ideas for a drain redesign for the vyinl liners that I tried to explain once to a liner manufacturer, but I couldn't get my point across. Maybe we need to talk!
Also, not only is the whole "clogged weep hole" thing largely a myth, there are so many, and more likely, possibilities causing the issue. Inadequate, detiorated, or compromised waterproofing combined with water escaping the shower interior being the most likely causes. e.g. floor not waterproofed a reasonable distance from the curb possibly exacerbated by a floor that slopes slightly towards the drain, inadequate qaterproofing at the corners of curb where they meet the wall, screws in the shower rail penetrating the cirb waterproofing. Also, at the beginning of the video you say water isn't escaping the shower because the frame was well siliconed. THIS could atually be the problem. Many shower door frames are only supposed to be silivconed on the OUTSIDE of the shower. That way water that gets under the frame can flow out of it back into the shower. Similar to window sills, some shower frames actually have drain holes that encourage this flow. If you silicone the inside of the frame, water has nowhere to go, and on a tiled curb, is will eventually seep the the grout amd mortar down into the floor and into the curb. Basically, you tore up someone's shower floor for nothing.
@@nikkikiska the weep holes are the water escape for the drains. Anything that’s designed to have water pass through it that ends up clogged affects the function.
@@nikkikiska it’s not always only the weep holes but usually a combination of a few mistakes during the build of the pan. But I have seen quite a few showers fail simply from clogging those holes. They are designed to open and when you clog them you have a failure in the making.
These were clogged. weep holes need protection with clean pea gravel. You never see Isaac tear about a shower that has it that. You know why? Because they don’t fail with backup up water that does not weep
Bro, it's not the weep holes. Weep holes are largely a myth, and your rambling in the video shows where that myth comes from. You keep talking about capillary action, and say that "capillary action takes over when the weep holes are clogged." Capillary action is completely independent of gravity and is why weep holes do nothing or nearly nothing in a traditional pan; water doesn't FLOW through a mud bed down through the weep holes. Water is wicked away by capillary action throughought the mud bed until it's saturated like a sponge (regardless of weep holes) and then will effectively be waterproof because no more water will be able to penetrate it (just like a sponge). Your surprise that the mortar in the bed is wet and indicative of a problem is nuts; the mud bed will almost always be wet even when propely installed because, as you mentioned, CAPILLARY ACTION! The pan is most likely leaking around the curb because of inadequate or compromised waterproofing. I mean, just think about it for a second, if capillary action was the problem, it would exist regardless of the weep holes; capillary action would pull water through the grout and into the mortar around the curb regardless of the drain/weep holes. And even if capillary action were stron enough to pul water to the curb outside of the shower, as long as the curb was propoperly waterproofed, the wood isn't going to get wet. So what explains the wet wood? You seem to think that when the weep holes are clogged the mud bed gets saturated and hydrostatic pressure is pushing the water up over the curb. Not only is this not capillary action, if such hydrostatic pressure actually existed (which it doesn't/can't), it would push the water up out of the mortar and grout and it would flow down the drain. Your videos wouldn't be so annoying if you eased up on the hubristic tone. Especially considering that of the dozen or so videos I've watched, all have varying degrees of incorrect information.
I see a lot of stupid ways to do a shower base. We do several shower pan rebuilds a year. No preslope is common as well as building the curb some stupid way. I like a solid surface curb tops so there are no grout joints to let water in at that crucial area. Love the cleanable weep hole idea. Hard water here in Missouri is super common.
I really appreciate this video - thank you. I think this is the exact problem we are having right now, and you explained it well. I had no idea water was basically expected to seep into these spots and that weepholes were intended for that reason. I also think our curb is based upon 2x4 which would explain the cracking with swells.
Thanks again.
Detective Agency for Leaks. Love it!
Great content, I’m having some moister problems and this is such a great education tool. Now I have some questions to ask the tile guy.
Been watching a ton of these videos, and im happy to see this ine! I recently got a house with water damage around the shower curb and like to know what im looking for in regards to how it failed.
Keep up the awesome content!
I live in EDH and our hot mop shower had failed in the exact same way. The curbs wood didn’t exist anymore. It was all rotted.
I did floated pans and walls with a tile guy back in the early 90s in the Sacramento area. He in his wisdom used fiberglass from cigarette filters to plug the weep holes. I never knew if that worked but we did a few showers for sure that way.
Think about it that makes good sense really clever probably an old school trick he learned from an old timer
Wow. I just learned about capillary action in plumbing, had no idea these fundamentals worked in the concrete too.
Awesome vid! thanks for taking the time to this👊
This had little to do with weep holes and more with wallboard/mortar wicking into wood....weep holes with tar maybe, but water still gets through mortar in those holes, I've proved it. Suppose it's the drawback of hotmopping using tar for your pan.
Had you taken out walls almost 100% you would see wallboard inside pan.
That wouldn't even be code in CA. Your board (DensShield) needs to end 3 inches above the top of the curb. I think this failure is either clogged weep holes, not enough pre slope or a combo of both.
That shower looks like it’s 20 years old based on the design.
Time for a updated shower anyway lol
I have been doing showers hot mopped , paper, wire, scratch, and float never had any issues ., I always make sure my weep holes are unclogged before I float and floated showers last 100s of years I bet these new system don’t even last 20 years if they are lucky.
Great detailed explanation - thanks
Not sure if it would work for those weep holes, but I have found that aluminum chain link fence ties have a lot of other uses. They are easy to shape and are fairly strong. I’ve used them to clear weep holes in storm windows.
So does a foam/non wood curb avoid many of these impacts? Also, no capillary action through foam
I don’t understand how a foam curb would be any different. The foam is going to give way eventually, I mean it’s foam. I also don’t get how they install a shower door on a foam curb. Even if they silicone the door. Or use a frameless shower door they have to screw into the foam curb. The foam will not provide enough support for the weight and movement of the door opening and closing
acrylic shower pans for the win... leave the tile curbs for the flippers and uneducated lol
Another informative video. Right on bro
Excellent video bro thanks for sharing, I appreciate your channel look forward to hear from you bye for now Ken
Thanks for this
Very informative video!
How would you stop moisture/water infiltrating the grout in the first place, or not long after install? 511 impregnating sealer, and/or something else? Seeing bubbles and efforescence after power washing outdoor tiled deck. schluter on 1-1/4" ply. Premixed bostik urethane grout, figured that'd flex and seal. But am having efforesecence issues here. Trying to seal and delay tile fail , everything fails eventually, my goal is to delay fail to be after I do.
I’m no engineer but wouldn’t a sealed system with a weep drain be a bullet proof system?No mortar to clog weep holes and all the water would be captured and contained by the Kerdi?
May I ask a question,why do they not use a plastic shower tray more often as they do in the uk.
Tile Coach, so weep holes let water drain. When showering with maximum volume of water wouldn't water also flow back through weep holes ? Problem could potentially be water backup in drain causing weep holes to constantly be wet and never drain ? Just a theory.
90 % of bathrooms i have seen have major problems
Maybe use one of those impact/ drill angle adapter and cut a drill bit down to clean out from the inside?!
I need help. I appear to have the same issue. I filed an insurance claim. However, the insurance adjuster blamed the damage on failure to maintain the grout. How do I get this claim approved?
I like Isaac he’s thorough and a hell of a tradesmen..Not like that hack from Starr tile…The last shower he did had more lips than a Chinese massage parlor..it was about as water tight as the titanic…after it sunk…ba da boom ba da bing baby!
whats the point of that drain flange above the weep hole other than to help locate the floor waste?
Wouldnt an oversized pipe and then a separate drain set in the tiles be better
If megalite was used, it never would have been an issue. More stabila please.
Wall board is buried inside the pan.
hey coach thinkin of transforming a shower stall with curb into a curbless, shower -bathroom it has a bath tub now and window over it.
,can u help me .i want glass wall tiles etc. west adams area los angeles.
I can not tell 100% from what I can see in this video, but the weep holes look to be very high up in the assembly !
I have ideas for a drain redesign for the vyinl liners that I tried to explain once to a liner manufacturer, but I couldn't get my point across. Maybe we need to talk!
Also, not only is the whole "clogged weep hole" thing largely a myth, there are so many, and more likely, possibilities causing the issue. Inadequate, detiorated, or compromised waterproofing combined with water escaping the shower interior being the most likely causes. e.g. floor not waterproofed a reasonable distance from the curb possibly exacerbated by a floor that slopes slightly towards the drain, inadequate qaterproofing at the corners of curb where they meet the wall, screws in the shower rail penetrating the cirb waterproofing. Also, at the beginning of the video you say water isn't escaping the shower because the frame was well siliconed. THIS could atually be the problem. Many shower door frames are only supposed to be silivconed on the OUTSIDE of the shower. That way water that gets under the frame can flow out of it back into the shower. Similar to window sills, some shower frames actually have drain holes that encourage this flow. If you silicone the inside of the frame, water has nowhere to go, and on a tiled curb, is will eventually seep the the grout amd mortar down into the floor and into the curb.
Basically, you tore up someone's shower floor for nothing.
Yeah clogged weep holes are not a myth. I’ve fixed a ton of showers for that reason
@@Apexjasonmorganllc Yeah? Please explain how the clogged weep holes lead to those showers needing to be repaired.
@@nikkikiska the weep holes are the water escape for the drains. Anything that’s designed to have water pass through it that ends up clogged affects the function.
@@nikkikiska it’s not always only the weep holes but usually a combination of a few mistakes during the build of the pan. But I have seen quite a few showers fail simply from clogging those holes. They are designed to open and when you clog them you have a failure in the making.
Remember when smoking was considered healthy by doctors? Apply the same thinking to weep drains.
These were clogged. weep holes need protection with clean pea gravel. You never see Isaac tear about a shower that has it that. You know why? Because they don’t fail with backup up water that does not weep
that was built to fail
Soap and and woman’s hair inevitably clog these
First wohooo
Bro, it's not the weep holes. Weep holes are largely a myth, and your rambling in the video shows where that myth comes from. You keep talking about capillary action, and say that "capillary action takes over when the weep holes are clogged." Capillary action is completely independent of gravity and is why weep holes do nothing or nearly nothing in a traditional pan; water doesn't FLOW through a mud bed down through the weep holes. Water is wicked away by capillary action throughought the mud bed until it's saturated like a sponge (regardless of weep holes) and then will effectively be waterproof because no more water will be able to penetrate it (just like a sponge). Your surprise that the mortar in the bed is wet and indicative of a problem is nuts; the mud bed will almost always be wet even when propely installed because, as you mentioned, CAPILLARY ACTION! The pan is most likely leaking around the curb because of inadequate or compromised waterproofing. I mean, just think about it for a second, if capillary action was the problem, it would exist regardless of the weep holes; capillary action would pull water through the grout and into the mortar around the curb regardless of the drain/weep holes. And even if capillary action were stron enough to pul water to the curb outside of the shower, as long as the curb was propoperly waterproofed, the wood isn't going to get wet. So what explains the wet wood? You seem to think that when the weep holes are clogged the mud bed gets saturated and hydrostatic pressure is pushing the water up over the curb. Not only is this not capillary action, if such hydrostatic pressure actually existed (which it doesn't/can't), it would push the water up out of the mortar and grout and it would flow down the drain.
Your videos wouldn't be so annoying if you eased up on the hubristic tone. Especially considering that of the dozen or so videos I've watched, all have varying degrees of incorrect information.
Let me add to your video here by saying all you people need to stop putting MDF trim in bathrooms. Also use pea gravel around your weep holes.
Thank you! MDF is about as useless as it gets. Use PVC or wood that's primed both sides and each end cut.