I have 2 biocomposite Turkish bows. I’ve learned the hard way that these bows need to be warmed up before stringing because I cracked the horn on one of them from neglecting to do this after only a month of use. And when you unstring, make sure to do it slowly as well. As far as performance in harsh weather, I’ve shot my bow in all kinds of weather, hot, cold, rain, snow, the only issue I’ve found is if the sinew wrapping gets too wet it can start to soften and presumably unbind itself from the limbs. Of course I didn’t wait to find out, I’ve kept the sinew coated in shellac ever since, and rain hasn’t been an issue thereafter. And the draw experience? I consistently draw my bow to its max without problems, but again, it needs to be warmed up first. I start by slowly bending the limbs back a bit and easing them back to their resting position, over and over for a couple minutes gradually bending back more each time. I don’t know exactly how many arrows I’ve shot, but probably in the thousands by now and it hasn’t lost any strength and actually seems to have gotten a bit faster. So if you’re willing to put in some extra tlc, these bows are amazing! I hope people find this information useful, and thanks for sharing.
A very good point is raised here. Warming up your bow before shootin' cause all biocomposite are like alive creatures requiring to be treated accordingly
Welcome to the crazy world of traditional archery! I gave up my compound bow about 15 years ago and never looked back. Why traditional - its so much fun. I am 75 and shooting 40 lbs. Love the outdoor 3 d archery. I live in central Ontario and having a ball!!
I have a Grozer Partho/Persian Biocomposite 63lbs draw weight and I completely agree with you. I've shot an 80lbs draw compound bow against a chainmail sheet over my target as well as my biocomposite and the Persian has more penetration and a faster shot.
Hi! I'm a fan of asymmetrical bows myself, and I'm veeery tempted to get one of these hun bows from Grózer. May I ask - after those 4 years of usage - how's the bow holding up? A new one has it's price for sure, just want to convince myself totally that it's a money well spent. Since my min. draw length is 30" and I usually draw 32" I have some concerns if it'll last for years when I use it at it's max draw all the time
The explanation I like most for the success of the Hun was the tendency of western (foot) armies to use city walls as force multipliers. It ceded control of the countryside to the Hun, who fed themselves while the armies behind city walls ran out of the food.
I want to get one of these next year. I just picked up a jackal Hun which is amazing. Hun bows tend to get left out among all the people doing reviews.
Another great video mate! Thanks so much! Ive been shooting a pair of Grover bows for a while now an i just love em, hope your enjoying yours. See you on the next video!
Actually, Grozer uses actual horn and sinew. The modern part is he uses modern glue instead of the historical fish bladder glue. No such thing as "horn powder" it's real horn. Regardless, they're are beautiful bows!
Really like the boys you shoot but, really like your shooting techniques. Most people shoot long bows and such shoot slow. I like the way you bring the the faster ways to do it
I think anybody shooting at targets in entertaining. Bows are just cool man and its just awsome seein the arrows fly. So please include more target shooting!
I live in Central South Dakota Pierre (Pier) and it is very dry and similar to Mongolia, in fact a type of pheasant has taken off that is a mix of the northern types from China and Mongolia with a little bit of southern for the summers are hotter here then Mongolia. There are several types of plants that come from Mongolia people use in planting out here, I bet if I right up into Canada I would hit your Province and be near your city following the roads.
As a Hun hobby archer, cause of asymmetry in the bow is, that these bowes are supposed to be shot from horseback. Thus there is more space abowe, than it is below. Allso they are very snappy due to the rigid horn at both ends (made out of hardwood, or horn), and they are ment to be streched to the limit, witch may reduce they lifetime, yet make them shine on the draw weight vs kinetic energy of the arrow equation. After all, that is the sole reason of the recurve bow. That it packs a bigger punch in a smaller packet, with less draw weight for the same kinetic energy of the arrow, than a simple longbow, witch at the same level of kinetic energy output, would be rather cumbersome to wield at the back of a horse, in full swing, aimed backwards at the enemy.
Mr. Czaba Grozer claims to use compressed cowhorn instead of artificial powder if you really buy a genuine biocomposite bow from him, which takes about two months to build and up to one month to deliver, depending on the buyer's destination. Yes, you are right saying that the glue is modern and much stronger than cowhide glues used by other trad bowyers. Please keep shooting new vids, bro and shooting your arrows in a speed-fire manner as you showed in this video. Impressive, seriously! Many thanks indeed!!! 💪👍
A much more likely explanation for the asymmetry is that you can get the same amount of draw length and power with less material, so it's overall a more efficient design. Try this experiment: hold your usual symmetrical bow with your legs and arms (your feet holding the handle, obviously), but hold the sring in the center, and not where you usually hold it. Now draw it back to the natural limit of the bow. Then ask someone to put your arrow in at it's usual nocking point. You'll see that you are actually losing a couple inches of draw length, because the position of the arrow is further up, and were you to put the arrow to the exact center of the string (where you are pulling it at the moment), you would gain one or two inches, depending on the length of your bow. The asymmetrical design solves this by shortening the lower limb, so that the arrow gets to be in the center. Also, drawing with your thumb (one big finger) insted of three fingers also gives you a tiny advantage on draw length for the same reasons as outlined above.
The glue isn't only modern material, it has same fiberglass laminations back and belly, as modern laminated bows have he just doesn't like to admit it, which is the reason why all people doesn't like Grozer. He does say that the glue has fiber strengthening, but doesn't say directly that it's a fiberglass laminated bow. The fiberglass is visible, and people has also cut his bows in half to find out the truth. It's a modern bow 100%, it is just disguised as horn bow, but the horn and sinew materials are extremely thin, hence pretty much are only for show, adds a little extra mass tough
a bit tangent question but still based on that above video, which one is better prod for chinese crossbows, the one with "D" curve profile but with very pronounced siyah like Turkish bow. Or like that above hunnic bow "M" curve shape but straight/decurve siyah?
@@HistoricalWeapons Climate is mediterranean and for demand is basically something drawn to 20 inch. Essentially roman empire adopting crossbow from directly applying hunnic bows in 4th century.
I really don't get why many people likes modern bows like the compound ones with so many modification, accessories and stuff. traditional bows looks so much more fun yet simple.
Those modern yet traditional looking bows would be perfect for movies where they need bows like this for Hungarian and Slovakian archers, people of the Kevin--Ruse area. The bows would be hard to get in enough quantity for a modern movie and in the past okay CGI for the bow itself would have added the bows into the mix looking rather fake on shooting to okay in later years where all the person was doing was holding a handle and not firing a bow.
If you ad a double knock point to the string your aim will be better and more consistency and you don't have to take time thinking with arrow string placement also string silencers that's what I'd do anyways will improve aiming with no thinking just muscle memory...
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I really wanted to put total war atilla music but copyright…
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@@Harib_Al-Saq man WRE is hard to play. i enjoyed hun and sass campaign
One of the few historians talking about bows around the world…on TH-cam
Grozer makes some mighty fine bows!
I have 2 biocomposite Turkish bows. I’ve learned the hard way that these bows need to be warmed up before stringing because I cracked the horn on one of them from neglecting to do this after only a month of use. And when you unstring, make sure to do it slowly as well. As far as performance in harsh weather, I’ve shot my bow in all kinds of weather, hot, cold, rain, snow, the only issue I’ve found is if the sinew wrapping gets too wet it can start to soften and presumably unbind itself from the limbs. Of course I didn’t wait to find out, I’ve kept the sinew coated in shellac ever since, and rain hasn’t been an issue thereafter. And the draw experience? I consistently draw my bow to its max without problems, but again, it needs to be warmed up first. I start by slowly bending the limbs back a bit and easing them back to their resting position, over and over for a couple minutes gradually bending back more each time. I don’t know exactly how many arrows I’ve shot, but probably in the thousands by now and it hasn’t lost any strength and actually seems to have gotten a bit faster. So if you’re willing to put in some extra tlc, these bows are amazing! I hope people find this information useful, and thanks for sharing.
A very good point is raised here. Warming up your bow before shootin' cause all biocomposite are like alive creatures requiring to be treated accordingly
I love your channel. I just stared traditional archery this month and im finding it immensely enjoyable :)
Welcome aboard!
Welcome to the crazy world of traditional archery! I gave up my compound bow about 15 years ago and never looked back. Why traditional - its so much fun. I am 75 and shooting 40 lbs. Love the outdoor 3 d archery. I live in central Ontario and having a ball!!
One of my favorite bows!
I have mine for 4yrs. Feels more powerful than it's actual draw weight, and I'm fan of asymmetrical bows.
I have a Grozer Partho/Persian Biocomposite 63lbs draw weight and I completely agree with you. I've shot an 80lbs draw compound bow against a chainmail sheet over my target as well as my biocomposite and the Persian has more penetration and a faster shot.
Hi! I'm a fan of asymmetrical bows myself, and I'm veeery tempted to get one of these hun bows from Grózer. May I ask - after those 4 years of usage - how's the bow holding up? A new one has it's price for sure, just want to convince myself totally that it's a money well spent. Since my min. draw length is 30" and I usually draw 32" I have some concerns if it'll last for years when I use it at it's max draw all the time
@tiobi6633 The bow has held up really well. I would suggest, the arrow weight be at least 11gpp.
...enjoy!
@@edgarmartinez2983 Awesome, thanks 👍
The explanation I like most for the success of the Hun was the tendency of western (foot) armies to use city walls as force multipliers. It ceded control of the countryside to the Hun, who fed themselves while the armies behind city walls ran out of the food.
I want to get one of these next year. I just picked up a jackal Hun which is amazing. Hun bows tend to get left out among all the people doing reviews.
Beautiful bow. I’ll have to see if I can get one
Awesome Bow and review. 🏹✨️😀
Another great video mate! Thanks so much! Ive been shooting a pair of Grover bows for a while now an i just love em, hope your enjoying yours. See you on the next video!
Does the string slip often with such fine limb ends?
no cuz brace height i think is good
@@HistoricalWeapons Ah i see, thank you lots man
Great review again! I love your content. The hungarian name "Csaba" is roughly pronounced "Tchubba" :)
Thanks for that!
Actually, Grozer uses actual horn and sinew. The modern part is he uses modern glue instead of the historical fish bladder glue. No such thing as "horn powder" it's real horn. Regardless, they're are beautiful bows!
Wow
Really like the boys you shoot but, really like your shooting techniques. Most people shoot long bows and such shoot slow. I like the way you bring the the faster ways to do it
I think anybody shooting at targets in entertaining. Bows are just cool man and its just awsome seein the arrows fly. So please include more target shooting!
u look like asian scotty kilmer waving his hands
I live in Central South Dakota Pierre (Pier) and it is very dry and similar to Mongolia, in fact a type of pheasant has taken off that is a mix of the northern types from China and Mongolia with a little bit of southern for the summers are hotter here then Mongolia. There are several types of plants that come from Mongolia people use in planting out here, I bet if I right up into Canada I would hit your Province and be near your city following the roads.
As a Hun hobby archer, cause of asymmetry in the bow is, that these bowes are supposed to be shot from horseback. Thus there is more space abowe, than it is below. Allso they are very snappy due to the rigid horn at both ends (made out of hardwood, or horn), and they are ment to be streched to the limit, witch may reduce they lifetime, yet make them shine on the draw weight vs kinetic energy of the arrow equation. After all, that is the sole reason of the recurve bow. That it packs a bigger punch in a smaller packet, with less draw weight for the same kinetic energy of the arrow, than a simple longbow, witch at the same level of kinetic energy output, would be rather cumbersome to wield at the back of a horse, in full swing, aimed backwards at the enemy.
Mr. Czaba Grozer claims to use compressed cowhorn instead of artificial powder if you really buy a genuine biocomposite bow from him, which takes about two months to build and up to one month to deliver, depending on the buyer's destination. Yes, you are right saying that the glue is modern and much stronger than cowhide glues used by other trad bowyers. Please keep shooting new vids, bro and shooting your arrows in a speed-fire manner as you showed in this video. Impressive, seriously! Many thanks indeed!!! 💪👍
Think it shorter lower half help maneuvering the bow on horse back. You see similar design in Japanese bows which are also often used on horseback.
Of course that is the reason, they used bows on the horses, and sabres if they had to fight on foot.
How does the draw feel compared to a fiberglass bow?. I have a alibow ghengis khan that is very similar in shape to this.
About the same
Yes
Congratulations, very good and nice bow......
A much more likely explanation for the asymmetry is that you can get the same amount of draw length and power with less material, so it's overall a more efficient design. Try this experiment: hold your usual symmetrical bow with your legs and arms (your feet holding the handle, obviously), but hold the sring in the center, and not where you usually hold it. Now draw it back to the natural limit of the bow. Then ask someone to put your arrow in at it's usual nocking point. You'll see that you are actually losing a couple inches of draw length, because the position of the arrow is further up, and were you to put the arrow to the exact center of the string (where you are pulling it at the moment), you would gain one or two inches, depending on the length of your bow. The asymmetrical design solves this by shortening the lower limb, so that the arrow gets to be in the center. Also, drawing with your thumb (one big finger) insted of three fingers also gives you a tiny advantage on draw length for the same reasons as outlined above.
But horn is never perfectly symmetric
@@fatboy8420 that is why you make the limbs symmetric in power, not size.
Just imagine u had total war atilla music
The glue isn't only modern material, it has same fiberglass laminations back and belly, as modern laminated bows have he just doesn't like to admit it, which is the reason why all people doesn't like Grozer. He does say that the glue has fiber strengthening, but doesn't say directly that it's a fiberglass laminated bow. The fiberglass is visible, and people has also cut his bows in half to find out the truth. It's a modern bow 100%, it is just disguised as horn bow, but the horn and sinew materials are extremely thin, hence pretty much are only for show, adds a little extra mass tough
U can easily draw this bow to 32 without ruin it. Great bow !!!
Great review. Can't see many reviews on Hunnic style bows. Is that indoor range is by the outdoor one?
Beautiful bow.
in the roman century, hunnic rider-archers had the best bows, and they were the best riders too.
thahx
a bit tangent question but still based on that above video, which one is better prod for chinese crossbows, the one with "D" curve profile but with very pronounced siyah like Turkish bow. Or like that above hunnic bow "M" curve shape but straight/decurve siyah?
Depends on geography climate and demand
@@HistoricalWeapons Climate is mediterranean and for demand is basically something drawn to 20 inch.
Essentially roman empire adopting crossbow from directly applying hunnic bows in 4th century.
Where do you source your arrows from?
I really don't get why many people likes modern bows like the compound ones with so many modification, accessories and stuff. traditional bows looks so much more fun yet simple.
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Rabbit tail silencer will make it even more cooler
Oghur bow😎
MY LEGENDARY TURK MAN IS BACK
Maybe named after the Huns for some reason related to how they wrapped their heads to shape their skull? Idk 🤷🏻♂️
Those modern yet traditional looking bows would be perfect for movies where they need bows like this for Hungarian and Slovakian archers, people of the Kevin--Ruse area. The bows would be hard to get in enough quantity for a modern movie and in the past okay CGI for the bow itself would have added the bows into the mix looking rather fake on shooting to okay in later years where all the person was doing was holding a handle and not firing a bow.
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If you ad a double knock point to the string your aim will be better and more consistency and you don't have to take time thinking with arrow string placement also string silencers that's what I'd do anyways will improve aiming with no thinking just muscle memory...
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Are you going to supply a reference to the maker? It's hard to make out the name to google it.
Grozer www.grozerarchery.com written in description
Even if it isnt "accurate" that grouping was definitely tight enough to all be in an adult man.
I thought hunnic bows were asymmetrical
it is. but not very exaggerated
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Horn powder? LMAO
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