The problem is not the brick it's the underlayment. It's too soft and can't hold modern large vehicles like 4x4 trucks and SUVs. The $7K per resident is not just for bricks, but to fortify the underlayment. However, once the underlayment is strengthened to manage larger vehicles, the street should actually be cheaper than surrounding streets to maintain. Brick streets cost a little more to install but last 4x longer than asphalt.
@@TheAmericanCatholic But that's what Oggy was saying. The subgrade that was used for this street was not sufficient for the type of traffic it received. It doesn't matter if it's brick or asphalt surface. Look up "road anatomy" on a web image search. There are multiple layers of subgrade aggregate needed underneath a road. This one didn't receive enough. The brick is not the problem.
@@FullOfMalarky Yes strictly. Speed is THE most common factor in car crashes. It makes sense as on an impact there's more kinetic energy distributed. What's worse is at higher speeds it becomes harder to slow down. I think the rest is common sense.
If the city wants to charge the home owners on that street to fix that road like for like than that street should be made private and the homeowners allowed to charge a toll to pay for repairs
This road way looks disgusting with patches of asphalt. If the city had maintained it properly over the years it wouldn’t be the major issue. As soon as you find one dip you pull the bricks in that area and reinforce the sub grade. But I guess they ignored it so long because bricks only dipping the city never cared to work on it it became into disrepair. Add in the fact they probably lacked enforcement on local traffic so like they said everyone uses it as a thru fare and there was no deterrence to protect the road way. Honestly proper aid brick roads are much better then asphalt roads hands down
It's not the bricks, it's the underlayment. The underlayment of antique roads wasn't built for modern heavy SUVs and 4x4 trucks. They have to dig up and reinforce the underlayment, THEN lay the brick. Basically, they have to rebuild the entire road as if it was brand new.
@@oggyreidmore seems to be just fine in Florida and Texas. Underlayment is probably closer to the minimum on average, otherwise nobody would have the money to build a regular road.
@@nobilesnovushomo58 Florida and Texas are both southern states. How are you not getting that the further north your go, i.e. the closer to the north pole you get, the colder the climate is going to be? Cleveland Ohio is FURTHER NORTH than Texas and Ohio, and therefore the frost heavy under the ground when it freezes is more of a factor. It will cost more to lay a brick road in Ohio than Texas or Florida.
I bet there is a highway or at least a collector road not far away that the commuters could use so the street wouldn't wear out so fast. Also slowing down is useful, and perhaps a weight limit on the street say, the weight of a horse and buggy, or a fat man on a comically heavy bicycle. Or just widen it to 4 lanes and turn it into a 45 mph collector road. Then everyone will be happy.
I know this is. Old. But. Fuck that I love brick 🧱 roads. But 7k. Is. Wrong. It’s a ripoff. And tax money pays for the streets. I’ve laid brick and that road is not 7k. For each person. The whole road could be done for under 20 k
They aren't just replacing brick, they are replacing the underlayment. Antique brick roads were not built to withstand heavy modern SUVs and 4x4 trucks. They end up sagging and creating pot holes and divots like this. They have to remove the brick and all the patching, regrade and reinforce the underlayment, and THEN replace the brick. That's why it's so expensive.
The problem is not the brick itself. As seen the bricks themselves haven’t failed. It’s the fact brick is labour intensive (although in Europe they have the machines to lay a whole road like this in a day) They need to pull it all up, dig up the base and sub layers. Replace with materials that can handle the increased weight to handle the traffic and size of vehicles utilizing the roadway. Then lay brick all back down. Labour cost for brick roads drive the cost. Average skilled brick layers is only 75-100 sq yards a day.
So regulation and insider brick makers (as well as government over regulation and infeasible high standards) made it so hard to make them your bricks that they can’t replace them even with a machine? *laughs in Republican Floridian*
You watched the entire video, had the options explained in the video, and still didn't understand the issue they're having? *laughs at republican Floridian*
@@oggyreidmore No, I mean they're paving massive amounts of bricks with these machines, World Equestrian Center is a new massive pavilion that has everything meant for walking paved with bricks, I even saw those machines waiting to be used tomorrow. That's in rural Ocala Florida, Near Disney Springs, Fl, I've seen entire residential streets for 3-5 stop signs paved with the stuff, And I mean the ones on the outskirts that still look like normal people live on them (Friend wanted to see a rock concert). Ocala town center is paved with them as well.
@@nobilesnovushomo58 Those places you mentioned are purpose built with brick with modern underlayment, or they have limits on vehicle access and have mostly pedestrians. The street in question was paved with brick back when cars weighed 1/5th what they weigh now, and then later paved over with asphalt. They found the bricks after the asphalt needed to be repaved and left the bricks exposed. However, those bricks were made with old world underlayment, not heavy duty enough to support modern SUVs and 4x4 trucks. That means they would have to remove the bricks and then rebuild and reinforce the underlayment. There's no convenient machine for that. Once the underlayment has been brought up to modern standards, THEN they can use a cool machine to lay down the bricks. That's also where the major expense is coming from.
@@oggyreidmore Yes, but the point was that it was too difficult to mass build with bricks, but I see it for 3-4 stop signs in residential areas, a town center with certain roads outside the square made of bricks, the center made of bricks, portions of sidewalks made of bricks, entire pavilions made of bricks. Meaning they must be cheaper or in some way made feasible that it isn't feasible where he lives in the north. And I'd think it had more to do with regulations, because unionization is a novel concept for businesses here. Some do, some don't, but they don't have nearly the power they do up north. To say "you merely have people that can afford it" is to say that rural Florida is richer than most areas of the north.
@@nobilesnovushomo58 The freeze thaw cycle has a huge impact on ground stability. Florida doesn't have freeze thaw cycles like they have in the north, so they can use weaker underlayment and it works for Florida's climate. Foundation works cost far more in colder climates because of this. Florida only requires 12 inches of footing on a foundation, while Michigan might require 4 feet and in some places 6 feet. This is why many northern homes just dig down 8 feet and make a basement since they are already digging down so far. However in Florida you will never find a basement because the water table is about 1-2 feet down. So by the same token, imagine how expensive and engineering intensive it would be to construct a basement in Florida compared to how cheap it is up north. Yes, the regulations are different, but the different regulations are because of the climate. It's got nothing to do with union workers.
you could just drive slower, and thereby reducing the damage to the road and the vehicles. Not to mention it would be safer for everyone. Or, you know, you could use other methods of transportation that aren't as damaging to the road.
The problem is not the brick it's the underlayment. It's too soft and can't hold modern large vehicles like 4x4 trucks and SUVs. The $7K per resident is not just for bricks, but to fortify the underlayment. However, once the underlayment is strengthened to manage larger vehicles, the street should actually be cheaper than surrounding streets to maintain. Brick streets cost a little more to install but last 4x longer than asphalt.
That road isn’t made for massive vehicles
@@TheAmericanCatholic But that's what Oggy was saying. The subgrade that was used for this street was not sufficient for the type of traffic it received. It doesn't matter if it's brick or asphalt surface. Look up "road anatomy" on a web image search. There are multiple layers of subgrade aggregate needed underneath a road. This one didn't receive enough. The brick is not the problem.
It's brick you have to repair it with brick
According to Google Maps it was repaired with another type of red brick. Good job!
Slow tf down if you don’t want to break your rims LOL
And lower speeds = less serious crashes!
@@ben.taylor not strictly
@@FullOfMalarky Yes strictly. Speed is THE most common factor in car crashes. It makes sense as on an impact there's more kinetic energy distributed.
What's worse is at higher speeds it becomes harder to slow down. I think the rest is common sense.
They didn’t lay it correctly
If the city wants to charge the home owners on that street to fix that road like for like than that street should be made private and the homeowners allowed to charge a toll to pay for repairs
This road way looks disgusting with patches of asphalt. If the city had maintained it properly over the years it wouldn’t be the major issue. As soon as you find one dip you pull the bricks in that area and reinforce the sub grade. But I guess they ignored it so long because bricks only dipping the city never cared to work on it it became into disrepair. Add in the fact they probably lacked enforcement on local traffic so like they said everyone uses it as a thru fare and there was no deterrence to protect the road way.
Honestly proper aid brick roads are much better then asphalt roads hands down
Asphalt on brick road with bumps
I know I'm five years late, but the brick street should be pedestrianized with bollards to keep cars out.
bro bricks are like 67 cents per how the fuck is it 7k per like what?
Construction workers standin around
It's not the bricks, it's the underlayment. The underlayment of antique roads wasn't built for modern heavy SUVs and 4x4 trucks. They have to dig up and reinforce the underlayment, THEN lay the brick. Basically, they have to rebuild the entire road as if it was brand new.
@@oggyreidmore seems to be just fine in Florida and Texas. Underlayment is probably closer to the minimum on average, otherwise nobody would have the money to build a regular road.
@@nobilesnovushomo58 Florida and Texas are both southern states. How are you not getting that the further north your go, i.e. the closer to the north pole you get, the colder the climate is going to be? Cleveland Ohio is FURTHER NORTH than Texas and Ohio, and therefore the frost heavy under the ground when it freezes is more of a factor. It will cost more to lay a brick road in Ohio than Texas or Florida.
@@oggyreidmore minor differences in materials used, underlayment same, yet costs 40-50% more in north. No.
I bet there is a highway or at least a collector road not far away that the commuters could use so the street wouldn't wear out so fast. Also slowing down is useful, and perhaps a weight limit on the street say, the weight of a horse and buggy, or a fat man on a comically heavy bicycle. Or just widen it to 4 lanes and turn it into a 45 mph collector road. Then everyone will be happy.
Elton: goodbye red brick road
I know this is. Old. But. Fuck that I love brick 🧱 roads. But 7k. Is. Wrong. It’s a ripoff. And tax money pays for the streets. I’ve laid brick and that road is not 7k. For each person. The whole road could be done for under 20 k
They aren't just replacing brick, they are replacing the underlayment. Antique brick roads were not built to withstand heavy modern SUVs and 4x4 trucks. They end up sagging and creating pot holes and divots like this. They have to remove the brick and all the patching, regrade and reinforce the underlayment, and THEN replace the brick. That's why it's so expensive.
Make it asphalt and paint it red
Are they using premium bricks made out of greek clay or something? How is it 7k for a single brick??
Each resident 7,000
The problem is not the brick itself. As seen the bricks themselves haven’t failed. It’s the fact brick is labour intensive (although in Europe they have the machines to lay a whole road like this in a day)
They need to pull it all up, dig up the base and sub layers. Replace with materials that can handle the increased weight to handle the traffic and size of vehicles utilizing the roadway. Then lay brick all back down. Labour cost for brick roads drive the cost. Average skilled brick layers is only 75-100 sq yards a day.
So regulation and insider brick makers (as well as government over regulation and infeasible high standards) made it so hard to make them your bricks that they can’t replace them even with a machine? *laughs in Republican Floridian*
You watched the entire video, had the options explained in the video, and still didn't understand the issue they're having? *laughs at republican Floridian*
@@oggyreidmore No, I mean they're paving massive amounts of bricks with these machines, World Equestrian Center is a new massive pavilion that has everything meant for walking paved with bricks, I even saw those machines waiting to be used tomorrow. That's in rural Ocala Florida, Near Disney Springs, Fl, I've seen entire residential streets for 3-5 stop signs paved with the stuff, And I mean the ones on the outskirts that still look like normal people live on them (Friend wanted to see a rock concert). Ocala town center is paved with them as well.
@@nobilesnovushomo58 Those places you mentioned are purpose built with brick with modern underlayment, or they have limits on vehicle access and have mostly pedestrians. The street in question was paved with brick back when cars weighed 1/5th what they weigh now, and then later paved over with asphalt. They found the bricks after the asphalt needed to be repaved and left the bricks exposed. However, those bricks were made with old world underlayment, not heavy duty enough to support modern SUVs and 4x4 trucks. That means they would have to remove the bricks and then rebuild and reinforce the underlayment. There's no convenient machine for that. Once the underlayment has been brought up to modern standards, THEN they can use a cool machine to lay down the bricks. That's also where the major expense is coming from.
@@oggyreidmore Yes, but the point was that it was too difficult to mass build with bricks, but I see it for 3-4 stop signs in residential areas, a town center with certain roads outside the square made of bricks, the center made of bricks, portions of sidewalks made of bricks, entire pavilions made of bricks.
Meaning they must be cheaper or in some way made feasible that it isn't feasible where he lives in the north. And I'd think it had more to do with regulations, because unionization is a novel concept for businesses here. Some do, some don't, but they don't have nearly the power they do up north. To say "you merely have people that can afford it" is to say that rural Florida is richer than most areas of the north.
@@nobilesnovushomo58 The freeze thaw cycle has a huge impact on ground stability. Florida doesn't have freeze thaw cycles like they have in the north, so they can use weaker underlayment and it works for Florida's climate. Foundation works cost far more in colder climates because of this. Florida only requires 12 inches of footing on a foundation, while Michigan might require 4 feet and in some places 6 feet. This is why many northern homes just dig down 8 feet and make a basement since they are already digging down so far. However in Florida you will never find a basement because the water table is about 1-2 feet down. So by the same token, imagine how expensive and engineering intensive it would be to construct a basement in Florida compared to how cheap it is up north. Yes, the regulations are different, but the different regulations are because of the climate. It's got nothing to do with union workers.
you could just drive slower, and thereby reducing the damage to the road and the vehicles. Not to mention it would be safer for everyone.
Or, you know, you could use other methods of transportation that aren't as damaging to the road.