I spent my years in TAC. I did see a U-2 back in '69 in Da Nang parked on the apron. It had come in for unscheduled maintenance. Our bird of the season was the F-4 . I never did see a landing of a U-2. Your video is absolutely cool. And congrats. I can imagine it really takes a lot of skill to take off and especially land that bird.
Wow, Rusty this was exactly the discussion I needed, NOW - thanks! I logged all of your steps in a checklist which I'd be happy to send back to you, but that sure helped me see the pattern which was very helpful to understand. What's not totally clear is how the custom Media Type is different from the ICC Paper Profile since they both can involve color pattern printing with quality feedback - sorry, I'm just not connecting enough dots yet. And actually you suggest skipping the color part so perhaps the Moeda Type is ONLY ink consumption, not color calibration? There is a confusing section in the Canon docs about Common and Unique Calibration - I think that means if you don't set something it defaults and if you do it gets set. They need your communication skills! Anyway, huge thanks, keep untangling things for us!
Thanks. Maybe you could post your checklist on here as it might help some other folks out as I know it can get confusing. Much of this is over the top but can be important if you see something that is off. As for the consumption yes you are correct it does not deal with color. Biggest part “I think” is the feed and internal color calibration. But even then you have to have the driver set up correctly to access the settings you are making with that. As far as common and unique goes for most people just doing a common calibration for the printer will work. Once again the lost important part is to have fun.
Okay, here's my draft transcript from Rusty's talk - let's clean it up where needed. Printing Setup notes - Example, getting a new paper from Red River Item 1- We’re going to create a Custom Media Type (registers in the printer info on this paper regarding: how to feed, how heavy to spray the ink, to cut or not, and other core parameters. It also adds these parameters to the computer’s printer driver so it can set these parameters) Item 2 - Create a Custom ICC Profile and test it (done after we have a Custom Media Type for our new paper on that specific printer, this fine-tunes color and density and can be achieved several different ways. If you don’t already have a Media Type (like Canon has in their printers for their papers), you can create a Custom Media Type Red River offers recommendations based on existing Canon Media Types and these can be used to start custom Media Types. * Start here * (before loading paper) open the Canon Media Configuration Tool Select printer Select Custom Paper You will then select the closest Media Type (from what’s already in the printer) (see Red River recommendation) Name it (Next) Select printer (again?) This is going to update the Media Information on the printer It will ask if to update the computer’s driver Media Information It says you can Edit Custom Media - but we don’t have paper loaded just yet so pause and go to printer now Load new paper into printer - th-cam.com/video/N641iKz9A0I/w-d-xo.html At 10 minutes Rusty talks about remaining paper mgt - very cool but not included in this checklist, sorry. On the printer’s panel select the media type you just created We can now further edit the Media Type we created for this paper. We’re going to do a Paper Feed Adjustment and Advanced Print Settings, Advanced Paper Settings and finally a Calibration for that specific media on that specific printer and that will be applied to the Media Type we just created. Paper Feed Adjustment - hit Start (answer any paper selection questions) On each tab you must hit Update (below) to update the Driver and the Printer itself (select the printer and hit Start) It will ask if you want to update the Driver and this you COULD skip until you complete the tab. You do all of this BEFORE you do any adjustments to your Custom Media Type at 13:21. Make sure you Update the Driver with the new Media Info after the last tab! 13:21 - Now go to Edit Custom Paper and you can edit each of the tabs. Under the Advanced Paper Settings tab - Test - select paper You can set Ink Consumption but not recommended at this point or possibly at all. Instead go to Calibration Target tab for an internal color calibration to standardize the color in the printer itself Do this in low light The printer prints and reads the colors itself. Once done go to Update (below) to update in the printer again then select Update Media Information to update the Driver again. Check driver and printer to verify the new listing is there. Done with creating a Custom Media Type Next - create the Custom ICC Profile for the Paper. 3 options - you can do it, you can print and mail out a standardized target to a 3rd party, or you can use one from the paper manufacturer. Remember - always do the earlier steps before creating the profile.
Yes so when you pick a type to base your file on you need to check to see what inks that type is using. Ie. Heavy art paper uses both black inks where as High density uses only matte
Hi Rusty. Now about a video on the finer tricks of the trade on fine art printing. My challenge to you is about a tutorial on the specific processing taking the best image you have and the settings then showing the full editing steps taken on screen with lightroom the and how it is saved to perserve the finest detail into the verious sized for printing it out with the results. Including how to correctly get the best match and calibration of the screen and printer plus the best photo papers to use. My problem is on screen I have fantastic detail.. but saving the image for printing kills the details..
Hey Michael how goes it down over in NZ. Yes, that sounds like a good idea. I was looking at something like that but the problem is I treat each image like I'm starting for the first time. Yes, there are certain things I do all the time. The thing is there are sooooo many things that can play a role in shifting the look of an image for print. From the dithering on a certain type of paper to how and when the image was sharpened and edited to the way you have your monitor setup. I'm not sure why you are "saving" your images out of Lightroom for printing unless you are enlarging them. I used to that when I would enlarge (BIG) images but since I started using "Qimage" I just send the job over there. Yes, there is always some tweaking that goes on after the first print. My first print is always the draft. that gets marked up and then adjust and I do it all over again if needed. Most of the time I put that print away overnight or more and mark it again. I always find something wrong. I think maybe you have a point and I can do some small video as I go through "MY" workflow. (not sure there is an all-inclusive right or wrong) But as I said each image I treat as if I'm starting from the beginning. Definitely give it a thought. You may want to watch if you have not this vid on QImage. This is really how I print. th-cam.com/video/Uxa1Wpkn3g4/w-d-xo.html
If you mean by a final calibration no you do not need to do this. That is if you are talking about having the printer calibrate to a standard. I say this if things look correct to you. This step for the most part is a fine adjustment. IF you are doing very color accurate images like a Coke can and need to get the color of coke red correct this might be something you need to do. But you should do it first....but I know you are thinking that. It does help with other things besides color. BUT if all looks good then I would say keep doing what you are doing. I would also make a test image on the paper that you are using so down the road you can go back and look to see if it is changing at all. No change then no reason to recalibrate. Hope this helps. Thanks for subscribing th-cam.com/users/rustynelsonphotography
Hello Rusty thank you for the hard work in making this video. I am very new to printing so I am trying to learn as much as I can. I have a Canon pro 1000 and have custom edited some different papers, and have been happy with outcome, but, obviously there is more to it. Today on facebook at the Jtoolman page someone was asking about custom editing paper on the pro 1000, he was having a lot of trouble not quite understanding how to proceed with certain aspects of it, even after seeing another persons video on it. A lady came on, apparently quite knowledgeable and said that she was told by Canon Engineers that people should not be custom editing their paper because it will screw up the initial set up of the printer. Would you go to the FB page and see what she is talking about, and comment about it here, please. If not I would understand, i guess.
Gerry...you are welcome. I think you mean a custom media type. That has nothing to do with other papers/media types. If you are doing a color calibration (internal) as Jose says you need to understand the order of how that works and ALSO there are settings in the print driver that you need to apply to even have it take affect. Can you pass a link to the comments section that your are talking about. Hey I can always learn something...I did not build the thing. LOL Thanks for stopping by and subscribing. All the best...Rusty
I spent my years in TAC. I did see a U-2 back in '69 in Da Nang parked on the apron. It had come in for unscheduled maintenance. Our bird of the season was the F-4 . I never did see a landing of a U-2. Your video is absolutely cool. And congrats. I can imagine it really takes a lot of skill to take off and especially land that bird.
Thanks. Yes it was a bit of a bitch to land sometimes.
Wow, Rusty this was exactly the discussion I needed, NOW - thanks!
I logged all of your steps in a checklist which I'd be happy to send back to you, but that sure helped me see the pattern which was very helpful to understand.
What's not totally clear is how the custom Media Type is different from the ICC Paper Profile since they both can involve color pattern printing with quality feedback - sorry, I'm just not connecting enough dots yet. And actually you suggest skipping the color part so perhaps the Moeda Type is ONLY ink consumption, not color calibration?
There is a confusing section in the Canon docs about Common and Unique Calibration - I think that means if you don't set something it defaults and if you do it gets set. They need your communication skills!
Anyway, huge thanks, keep untangling things for us!
Thanks. Maybe you could post your checklist on here as it might help some other folks out as I know it can get confusing. Much of this is over the top but can be important if you see something that is off. As for the consumption yes you are correct it does not deal with color. Biggest part “I think” is the feed and internal color calibration. But even then you have to have the driver set up correctly to access the settings you are making with that. As far as common and unique goes for most people just doing a common calibration for the printer will work. Once again the lost important part is to have fun.
Okay, here's my draft transcript from Rusty's talk - let's clean it up where needed.
Printing Setup notes - Example, getting a new paper from Red River
Item 1- We’re going to create a Custom Media Type (registers in the printer info on this paper regarding: how to feed, how heavy to spray the ink, to cut or not, and other core parameters. It also adds these parameters to the computer’s printer driver so it can set these parameters)
Item 2 - Create a Custom ICC Profile and test it (done after we have a Custom Media Type for our new paper on that specific printer, this fine-tunes color and density and can be achieved several different ways.
If you don’t already have a Media Type (like Canon has in their printers for their papers), you can create a Custom Media Type
Red River offers recommendations based on existing Canon Media Types and these can be used to start custom Media Types.
* Start here * (before loading paper) open the Canon Media Configuration Tool
Select printer
Select Custom Paper
You will then select the closest Media Type (from what’s already in the printer) (see Red River recommendation)
Name it (Next)
Select printer (again?)
This is going to update the Media Information on the printer
It will ask if to update the computer’s driver Media Information
It says you can Edit Custom Media - but we don’t have paper loaded just yet so pause and go to printer now
Load new paper into printer - th-cam.com/video/N641iKz9A0I/w-d-xo.html At 10 minutes Rusty talks about remaining paper mgt - very cool but not included in this checklist, sorry.
On the printer’s panel select the media type you just created
We can now further edit the Media Type we created for this paper.
We’re going to do a Paper Feed Adjustment and Advanced Print Settings, Advanced Paper Settings and finally a Calibration for that specific media on that specific printer and that will be applied to the Media Type we just created.
Paper Feed Adjustment - hit Start (answer any paper selection questions)
On each tab you must hit Update (below) to update the Driver and the Printer itself (select the printer and hit Start)
It will ask if you want to update the Driver and this you COULD skip until you complete the tab.
You do all of this BEFORE you do any adjustments to your Custom Media Type at 13:21.
Make sure you Update the Driver with the new Media Info after the last tab!
13:21 - Now go to Edit Custom Paper and you can edit each of the tabs.
Under the Advanced Paper Settings tab - Test - select paper
You can set Ink Consumption but not recommended at this point or possibly at all.
Instead go to Calibration Target tab for an internal color calibration to standardize the color in the printer itself
Do this in low light
The printer prints and reads the colors itself.
Once done go to Update (below) to update in the printer again then select Update Media Information to update the Driver again.
Check driver and printer to verify the new listing is there.
Done with creating a Custom Media Type
Next - create the Custom ICC Profile for the Paper.
3 options - you can do it, you can print and mail out a standardized target to a 3rd party, or you can use one from the paper manufacturer.
Remember - always do the earlier steps before creating the profile.
The Media Type also retains info on which trays can be used and which or both black inks (Matt or Photo)
Yes so when you pick a type to base your file on you need to check to see what inks that type is using. Ie. Heavy art paper uses both black inks where as High density uses only matte
" 500,000 " !!! LOL !!! Rusty , I Love your productons !!! Thank you for your help !!!! John
Thanks again!
Hi Rusty. Now about a video on the finer tricks of the trade on fine art printing. My challenge to you is about a tutorial on the specific processing taking the best image you have and the settings then showing the full editing steps taken on screen with lightroom the and how it is saved to perserve the finest detail into the verious sized for printing it out with the results. Including how to correctly get the best match and calibration of the screen and printer plus the best photo papers to use. My problem is on screen I have fantastic detail.. but saving the image for printing kills the details..
Hey Michael how goes it down over in NZ. Yes, that sounds like a good idea. I was looking at something like that but the problem is I treat each image like I'm starting for the first time. Yes, there are certain things I do all the time. The thing is there are sooooo many things that can play a role in shifting the look of an image for print. From the dithering on a certain type of paper to how and when the image was sharpened and edited to the way you have your monitor setup. I'm not sure why you are "saving" your images out of Lightroom for printing unless you are enlarging them. I used to that when I would enlarge (BIG) images but since I started using "Qimage" I just send the job over there. Yes, there is always some tweaking that goes on after the first print. My first print is always the draft. that gets marked up and then adjust and I do it all over again if needed. Most of the time I put that print away overnight or more and mark it again. I always find something wrong. I think maybe you have a point and I can do some small video as I go through "MY" workflow. (not sure there is an all-inclusive right or wrong) But as I said each image I treat as if I'm starting from the beginning. Definitely give it a thought. You may want to watch if you have not this vid on QImage. This is really how I print. th-cam.com/video/Uxa1Wpkn3g4/w-d-xo.html
I've already created custom ICCs for all my paper. Do I really need to perform that final Calibration step? I feel like it would throw off my ICCs.
If you mean by a final calibration no you do not need to do this. That is if you are talking about having the printer calibrate to a standard. I say this if things look correct to you. This step for the most part is a fine adjustment. IF you are doing very color accurate images like a Coke can and need to get the color of coke red correct this might be something you need to do. But you should do it first....but I know you are thinking that. It does help with other things besides color. BUT if all looks good then I would say keep doing what you are doing. I would also make a test image on the paper that you are using so down the road you can go back and look to see if it is changing at all. No change then no reason to recalibrate. Hope this helps. Thanks for subscribing th-cam.com/users/rustynelsonphotography
Hello Rusty thank you for the hard work in making this video. I am very new to printing so I am trying to learn as much as I can. I have a Canon pro 1000 and have custom edited some different papers, and have been happy with outcome, but, obviously there is more to it.
Today on facebook at the Jtoolman page someone was asking about custom editing paper on the pro 1000, he was having a lot of trouble not quite understanding how to proceed with certain aspects of it, even after seeing another persons video on it. A lady came on, apparently quite knowledgeable and said that she was told by Canon Engineers that people should not be custom editing their paper because it will screw up the initial set up of the printer. Would you go to the FB page and see what she is talking about, and comment about it here, please. If not I would understand, i guess.
Gerry...you are welcome. I think you mean a custom media type. That has nothing to do with other papers/media types. If you are doing a color calibration (internal) as Jose says you need to understand the order of how that works and ALSO there are settings in the print driver that you need to apply to even have it take affect. Can you pass a link to the comments section that your are talking about. Hey I can always learn something...I did not build the thing. LOL Thanks for stopping by and subscribing. All the best...Rusty