i felt sorry for that Finnish teacher at the end. It has to be said that UK children are appalling, have no respect, no self control and can't or won't listen! And their class teacher made excuses for them 'oh they're inner city London kids'...no no no! This is what is wrong with UK education - everyone makes excuses for badly behaved children. Makes me furious!
The culture is also a lot different in the UK than in Finland. Go and watch itv ("screaming at others when trying to 'solve' problems) or BBC (lots of negativity) and compare it with the Finish television channels. The more negative people are and the more they say you are not allowed to do a thing for absurd reasons, or scream, or are negative, the more energetic and loud the kids will be.
Andro Meder well it is about what they get taught. At birth English kids are no more or less respectful than Finnish kids. kids are kids. they observe and learn from around them. and it certainly ain't about them being "inner city kids". kids behave badly, if the are taught by society around them to behave badly and that means everybody around. it ain't just the parents or just the teachers or just the kids or the neighbour hood. It is the whole combined societal atmosphere around them. The whole Finnish society is ingrained in respecting other people. Might single people or parents fail in teaching it? yes, but it doesn't mean very much since all the children, all the teachers and everyday people around broadcast with their everyday actions and behaviour that people must be respected. But it isn't about discipline really. the discipline is frankly light. rather it is a social construct and contract. Children learn when they behave, are trust worthy and respectful, they earn respect and trust themselves. They are given more responsibilities, but also more freedom. For example if children behave and don't hurt each other, they get to play more games, wander more and do sports like ice hockey. Theyb disrespect teachers or hurt each other or are reckless with their own safety, freedoms get taken away. Once the lesson is learned and trust earned back, freedoms come back. Can Finnish model work directly else where, no, because countries are different. But neither would the current Finnish education system and model have worked in the 1960's Finland just before the program was started. One must understand Finland changed the WHOLE country and WHOLE society to make the education system work. It wasn't some "Miracle". It was over 30 years of extremely hard effort, sweat, tears and headache in single minded focused project and goal. Not to be the best education system in the world, but to give each and EVERY (and understand, this is taken extremely seriously and literally means, every. not 50%, not 75%, not 99%, but absolutely every single child.Down to the last child up inside Utsjoki in the utmost arctic Lapland in a side village of maybe 100 people in it.) child a GOOD education (not perfect, good. which is why people are weirded out about Finland not focusing on "gifted student" by giving them extra special attention and tutoring to create "star pupils". it ain't the goal.), health, wellbeing and chance in life regardless of who they are or where they come from. Of course to the best of our ability as a country. Nobody is perfect. Finns are far more proud about the consistency of results within Finland, rather than it's level. Frankly the high achievement level is just a side product of the push for equality. Has there been even longer tradition of respecting education in Finland and working together and Trust? yes, but that wasn't miracle either and doesn't just magically explain the results. People always say Finnish model won't work due to lack of Trust and Finns can do stuff because they Trust. Well that trust didn't magically poof in to existence. We worked to build it. We worked together to build the country. Frankly probably other countries could do it also. the only thing is it takes long term effort. this is now a century long project in building better home for ourselves called Finland. So rather than Trust being the miracle or key building, block it would rather be our apparent knack for long term planning and working together on those long term plans. We knew when the primary education reform started it was a 30 year project. It was planned so. we flat out planned that we had to educate whole generation of new teachers to new high rigor, taking a decade or so, to allow for the other improvements like freeing up the control and accountability (which we did have before) to allow professional freedom to enhance the results long term, to build the respect, to make teaching appealing and to get the best and brightest to want to be teachers. Finnish Police is trusted, because Finns know there is extensive screening and training on who gets to be police. Also if police mess up, they end up responsible. Helsinki PD sacked their WHOLE drug division, because apparently they were getting too friendly with dealers. Clean slate every single officer changed, checked screened, over ten officers under criminal charge, nearly 100 under extensive scrutiny sacked, transferred, punished. Mere privacy violation concerning a celebrities death and in authorized database search landed 90 officers with criminal charges. Trust, but verify. Teacher are trusted, because each and everyone has 5 year of rigorous university training. And one doesn't even get into that program, no matter how brilliant they academically are unless the intake examiners think that the person has right mentality and personal skills and traits to be a good and trustworthy teacher. intake 10%. you could have straight As in everything and not be in that 10%, if they think children's future can't be trusted to you. THAT is why Finns trust teachers in Finland. Every each of them went through mental equivalent of a special forces physical selection exams. They EARNED the trust. Politicians are trusted, because to be untrustworthy Finnish politician is a very quick way to commit absolute and final political suicide. In Finland TRUST is earned and build, but once it is earned it stays. And if that trust is broken, getting it back is even doubly harder and lose of trust has severe consequences. So we don't need constant over watch and nosy accountability, because people know TRUST is a very very precious commodity not to be wasted. So they are trust worthy a) because people are generally decent b) to breach trust would be extremely unwise. We may not have constant supervision, but it doesn't mean breach of trust won't have serious consequences. Frankly the consequences are severe exactly because people are trusted and thus it is doubly egregious to break said trust.
Or indeed, their lack of contact with the society around them. Like the Finnish teacher said, they are in school for long days and earlier starting age compared to 7-8 in Finland. They lack concentration in the afternoons because they take on so much throug their day and they have little chance to see society funcioning in a natural way. Its like raising a chimp in a captivity and expecting him to know how to act in the wild.
Ari Takalo : Wow! I think such a vision would be possible in an independent Scotland. Certainly worth aiming for, the basic values are already there, it's just a matter of breaking free from selfish English values ;-)
at the end its important what she says-- in Finland teachers have the freedom to express themselves creatively- that means they can dream up new exciting ways to teach and be more proud of their teaching. -In my opinion in US and England, where teachers aren't given any room to add or change their curriculum to make it better, it makes everything boring.
Boredom, in my opinion is a very individual problem... when you have unreal expectations from school you get bored... There are no uninteresting things - there are only uninterested people.
Yes and we are given a calendar...what to teach from day to day...we have to be on track with the other teachers on our team. The tests have to be the same also. There is no time for much creative stuff. No time. =(
This is why I taught at private school. I could be a PROFESSIONAL and do what the children in front of me needed. Teachers used to be considered professionals but now are just mouthing what they are told to do and babysitting in the minds of others.
I think something good to remember is that in Finland kids start school when they are seven and in the UK kids go to first grade when they are five. Child´s deduction skill are not fully developed in that early age yet. In Finland being teacher is also one of the most respected jobs.
Deductive skills don't happen organically. But learning does, of course learning has to be appropriate for the student, but you'd have to have a better environment than the school before switching to a non school model.
This children experiment shows children’s creativity should come back that was loosing from theoretical schools ... Children be children is healthy life style No sex education to kids to indoctrine their psychology , health, body , emotions and it’s side affects
This teacher from Finland is amazing. She’s a combination of Mary Poppins and Superman and Batman and any thing from the fantastic four combined this woman is beyond thrilling. She prepares and plans and practices and loves what she does and she teaches to the various realms of physical and visual and oral and this woman is a walking Saint. I’ve been in teaching for nearly 35 years and She is beyond superb. She’s a walking lexicon and a Palestra of information and she is her own world wide web when it comes to teaching. The whole world should look at Finland and follow it. If we can’t do it in society we can start with the schools. As I said on another post about the Finland way of teaching I am happy for them and at the same time extremely depressed. The people of Finland value the arts And as a music teacher I feel like a third class citizen much of the time. The people of Finland have it right and I applaud them.
Actually that's not a bad thing when the teacher interrupting is the one who actually knows the kids. The Finnish teacher told as much early on: it's crucial to know whom you're teaching, before you can teach, or otherwise it's almost impossible to proceed. Taking that kind of interruption and constructive critique, is a part of what they teach in Finnish didactics school. I even have a little bit of experience temping in Finland, without such guidance; it was totally horrible, and not in the least productive. In maths, as the most cumulative of the sciences as well, when you don't know the starting level, it's almost impossible. And you know, I think even Finnish didactics teachers, of the teacher, would agree: it's not good she had to raise her voice and become as wired as she did. I'm rather certain that's because no Finnish teacher is prepared to deal with that much tension within the class, the individualism absent a totalistic national consensus on proper behavior (including racial and cultural near-homogeneity we still have here), and such. So I'd say, while definitely a model of a Finnish teacher, when thrown into the deep end of the pool culture-wise, for just a week, even to my ears or eyes, she didn't fare a *tenth* as well as she would have in her home turf.
Most definitley, shes seems incredibly capable as an educator and communicator. These kids had a week to learn the rules with her. Thats not nearly enough for a child to figure things out.
I really like the way that she told the other kids who didn't want to play to sit out and let the others play. In UK, Australia or America this wouldn't happen. Instead we would let the troublesome students disrupt everyone else's learning instead. No ridiculous testing either. More time for kids to play. No wonder the Western world education is so far behind. I think we could learn a lot from Finland.
Excluded kids can still be disruptive, but it was clever that they were left in the room. Highly likely they'd want to be included in the future and learn what behaviour was required for that by observing her succeed with their classmates.
Indeed. In the private school sector, this technique was accepted and successful. Pupils learnt to manage their own behaviour, then be allowed to join in. In state sector, management didn't understand this and I was disciplined for using it.
She's so respectful of the children! In canada the teachers ordered us around and were vry domineering, we were treated like criminals sometimes, she treats them so well!
I wonder if the class was larger than the teacher was used to. I think the children became tired and that was when they became difficult. Also their normal teacher would have had all sorts of routines established and it is difficult for a new teacher to fit into those. However it was great to see what interesting maths the kids learn these days. Imagine if we adults went to a place where we learned new things from 9 am to 3.30 pm. We would be exhausted! I think the Finnish teacher did a great job in a second language with a class that was new to her.
I have always found british classrooms so cluttered. Signs, plastic, bright colors everywhere. Small rooms and small windows and artificial lightening. Ugh, no thanks.
I really like the idea of relaxing the concentration demands in the afternoon - that's a realistic proposition = keep things a bit simpler for part of the time, at that age! I think art is the ideal remedy - more art activities and making.
Teachers need to be trusted to create the best learning experiences. In the UK it is very regimented as we live in a nanny state.The government does no allow teachers to do things in the best way and this can lead to the disengagement and poor behaviour of students. In Finland each local area decides on its curriculum and is trusted to do this. The teachers are trusted to do a good job also and are allowed to decide on timings and when to teach what. In the UK there is a climate of measuring and cross checking teachers and schools rather than just letting them get on with educating the child. Once we move towards that model of trusting the educators we will improve the outcomes for our children in the UK. Its a cultural change and will take a while to carry out- although I think everyone believes that the finish model can be qualified and sold as a product. It is not a product it is a way of life. This Finnish teacher could have been on Mars- she certainly was not in her own culture, where she is appreciated and respected highly and where children love school.
Class size is much much smaller in Finland. And pre-natal care is infinitely better than in the U.S. Better kids to instruct results in better outcomes . It's as simple as that.
The Finnish teacher is excellent. She tried to bring in as much interaction in the class that just makes sense and actually works but long term. The kids were eager but their chaos is a result of past experience with wrong teaching methods beginning in preschool. Her Finnish teaching qualification and teaching syle is so obvious. The lessons are much more intersting. The school teacher in England in that particular school has since long lost interest in making an effort and finds her job easier just blaming the "chaos" on the children and their backgrounds.
No You've got it all wrong. She needed time to adapt, one week is ridiculous what do u expect her to perform? Magic? And there's nothing wrong with the English teacher giving her advice, it doesn't guarantee her advice is valid🤷♂️. Plus everyone can learn from everyone
@az_koala what's special about Finnish teachers is that they're passionate and actually need a masters degree before they can go into the profession. They are widely respected in Finland
21May2022 These videos are fascinating and captivating . I have just discovered them TODAY and I am looking forward to watching many more of them . Thank you so much for sharing !
Another thing that occurred to me is why the school hours are longer in America and UK than in Finland. Now, I don't know what the economy is like in Finland, but both parents in America at least, must work to survive. If children only had four hours of school, then they would be home without supervision, which will cause a whole lot of other problems. So school hours in America is not really about the instruction, it is about what the parents want. School is a way to provide supervision while they are at work.
We do work here too :D most of us full time. We have this "daycare" in school. It is in the morning from 7 to until the school starts and after school to 4 pm. It's not free, but it's not too expencive, something like 130e per month. But the parents usually picks their kids earlier if they can. Like if one parent have slightly different hours than the other one. The one who gets off work before picks the child.
We have extensive day care and kindergarten system in Finland provided by the towns. Every child is entitled to a place in day care by law. The kids who go to school have day care after school hours if they need it. Both parents usually work and being a house wife is really rare.
It is the same in Finland. Children whose parents are working go to afternoon clubs where they do sports, music, crafts etc. I also see groups of friends going somewhere together, aged maybe 9 or 10. Maybe to one child’s home?
Here kids have aftercare but they can also go home alone afterschool. they have keys and they know how to use the refrigerator and the microwave.so they go to school on their own sometimes with public transport and come back on their own. So as a parent I find kids at home when I get back from work
Its appears to me that these children are used to "memorizing" answers, rather than using their own critical thinking skills to solve problems. This is a result of the pressure of standardized tests. This is extremely sad to see. Hopefully, this video helps to prove why standardized tests are an issue and its more important that we focus on developing critical thinking and creativity to process information rather than memorizing a set of problems just to get a high score. A high score is worthless if in the future, as adults, if they are given a new problem they have never seen before. I like how the teacher from Finland was really trying to get the kids to process information independently and focused more on HOW to solve the problems, rather than shortcutting the critical thinking part of it.
Very true. Kids in Finland are taught problem soving, analysing, drawing conclusions and finding information themselves because that is what modern working life and life in general requires. There are no national exams until at the end of high school. The teachers give their own tests but also assess other tasks. Evaluation is a continuous process and aims at improving the skills of each individual. The kids don't complete against one another but aim at improving their own results.
At MAGA PIE STEPH: I agree 100 percent. Standardised testing is poisoning students. More critical thinking is needed. More focus on skill development and less on memorisation.
British schools are more focused on that than you might think. However it's worthy of consideration in the context of centralised management. That will inevitably generate patterns that can be learned by rote. If you want to develop imaginative & critical thinking then it'd be better to use imaginative & critical thinking in constructing the lessons. As social animals we have evolved to learn from our environment & our social cohort in particular.
@@russcoleman2338 The problem aren't the questions. It's the test alone. The purpose of it is violated. Tests in other parts of the world are taken to determine the grade or smartness of a child and students study just for the sole purpose of passing these tests. In Finland these tests are used to track the students progress, to know if they are getting along with the lessons, the tests are given by the teachers really anytime they want, its not like the organized end of term exams that other countries are used to. There are no standardized tests. Test scores basically don't matter in Finland. It's all to know personal progression and it's for the teachers so they know what to do and how to approach things differently.
21May2022 This video gives a wonderful glimpse of ' the differences in the classroom atmosphere, and the teaching styles, and the self- discipline of the children, and the differences between the students' interest in learning, as well as the differences in the level of respect and cooperation of the students both in Finland and the in the UK . In Finland, the children seem well-behaved, respectful, focused, and interested in learning and doing well in school. They seem to respect their teachers and respect their peers. The students seem to be interested in their studies and interested in accomplishing their goals. In the UK the children are disrespectful, disruptive, and sometimes seem to enjoy being disobedient and unruly. My take-away is that the children in Finland enjoy school, enjoy learning, enjoy working hard, and they seem to be committed to respectful behavior towards the teachers and towards the other students. I felt proud of the teachers and students in the schools in Finland, and I felt very surprised and disappointed with the unruly and disrespectful behavior from the students in the UK . I was also surprised with 'how the UK teacher spoke to the teacher from Finland. The UK teacher seemed to be saying that the teacher from Finland seemed to have a lack of ability to work well with the students in the UK . My own thoughts were that the students in the UK were rude and disruptive, and the teacher from Finland should not be blamed for expecting respectful and proper behavior from the students in the UK . I, too, ASSUMED that students in the UK would have proper behavior and proper respect towards others, as well as an interest in personal achievement at school. I enjoyed watching the video and I am grateful that the video is being shown on TH-cam . Thank you so very much !
Of course it is, the private Schools make a shit ton of money plus they pedal the misrepresentation that they don't take state School resources (while those rich parents could use those fees to better run the education system). The UK system is woefully run and fast becoming a dystopian American system.
This shows quite clearly that the main problem is the attitude of British teachers who only want students to obey them without question. Making students comply with your rules is not the same as helping students to understand that they need to cooperate with other people to be successful in life. The British teacher needs to be less butthurt and learn from someone who has more experience.
As an American teacher who taught in inner city Baltimore, these London kids are considered "well behaved". Kids are worse in many parts of America. I don't think the Finnish teacher would've lasted a week in Baltimore. The minute the teacher would say ""I'm not playing anymore, I'm playing with those who want to play. Those of you who don't listen, do what you want, I don't care...etc."" the students would all gang up on her. They'd say "We don't want to play your stupid game anyway" or outright call her a "bitch." or start running around the room doing their own thing, which somehow would end in a fight. So I have come to the conclusion that Finland doesn't have some secret sauce to education. They just have a different history and culture--a small population of people whose lives are slower, and because of it, they can concentrate and think about things longer.
The whole education system in Finland is based on equality and on providing the students a wide range of knowledge. Teachers have a great deal of autonomy and freedom. They are respected and trusted. Finnish kids score very high in the International Pisa tests so the methods and principles can't be bad. No wonder so many foreign teachers and educators come to Finland to learn from the system.
If kids cannot respect others, and especially teachers that want the best for them, it's clearly parent's and society's problem. Why should she use strategies to get respect from students? Shouldn't they respect her in the first place? We should try to improve our own societies to make it more like theirs and not just give up already and blame it on our culture. Culture can change. It took the Finnish government 30 years to raise education to the status it has nowadays in its society. It requires requesting from our governments to implement long term strategies that would benefit the whole population as a whole. Not just focus on the economy. And not just for the short time period of their mandate.
I taught inner-city high school kids in the US....after getting laid off from my engineering job...they were very badly behaved at first. I told them that they have not been taught well in the past and that they are behind their grade in math, but it's not totally their fault. I said that I could bring up to where they should be.....but they had to meet me half way. They scratched their heads and to my surprise when I started teaching them actually behaved themselves. I had very little disciplining to do. It was like.... 'hey when we're in here we're going to be learning math .....ok no big deal.' I made the smartest kids group leaders and tutors. Of course it was an inner city school so they weren't angels.....but I had great success....but mainly because they were so terrible when I first got them.
@@kmadge9820 thank u. Everyone of my students passed the TAAS test. Texas State Proficiency. My best students were a 9th grade class - 100% female. Apparently they all came from gym class together. They went to an advanced level very quickly. It really got me thinking.....'maybe separating boys and girls really does work.'...My worst students were transfers from a local catholic school who had been taught by a priest. I did notice that the kids from Mexico were usually better at the basics.....🤔
The fact the main teacher is surprised that the Finnish teacher doesn't have a problem with English speaks volumes really. The British system is stuck in the dark ages of learning, refusing to adapt and evolve. It has a private sector that gaslights it into thinking its helping it rather than not taking funds from it, and overworking kids and becoming an exam machine.
I feel sorry that many people critize the British teacher and the kids. Teaching is a hard job and it is hard to transfer experience from one country to another.
British students are very good in expression and literacy skills. :D I assume that's the strength of British characteristics. On the other hands, they are not so great in mathematical logics... So I assume British education should be more focus on mathematics than literacy classes. A good video. :)
If their literacy skills are so good, why is the number of nearly illeterate 16-year olds so high in England. Finland has the highest literacy rate in the world and the results in the International Pisa tests have been great in reading and writing skills as well as in maths and science.
At the end of the playing class the English teacher was patronising and lacking understanding between the two cultures. In Finland kids are expected to listen and are not so uncooperative. The English teacher indicated the Finnish guest didn't respect the kids. This was not true. She was respectful in all her lessons but the difference is that she is used to being respected by her pupils in Finland. The Finns are also more straight forward than the Brits.
The difference is that in Finland there is much more discipline and possibly consequences for misbehaved students. In the UK there are few, if any consequences.
@@Jefferyh1231 (Speaking as a Finn) Yes that is true but there isn't really a worry for consequences in Finland since everyone acts cooperatively and kindly without being told to do so which is great. From personal experience here in Scotland the same dumb asses (acting all tough wanna-be misbehaving kids) keep making trouble which prohibits me and others from learning. And they do it time and time again because of the lack of consequence. I'm sitting there all quiet trying hard to focus whilst the 3 - 4 fucks in the back of the room are blatantly blithering on and making it difficult to even withstand them. I miss Finland.
@@minilaatikko sorry to hear about that. This is the reason that I run a tutoring centre now and no longer teach in schools. I feel like I am making a difference and my efforts are appreciated.
As soon as she starts complaining they loose interest and trust. She has to be clear and show them the activity first, but she is not used to having what most of us think is a normal class. I teach in Sweden and our classes are very different from Finland's, more like the UK. It demands more of the teacher. We can learn from Finland, but they can learn from us too.
Yeah, like Robert I don't really understand what you are saying. System clearly works if you do NOT need "more of the teacher". Of course she is not used to have kids running wildly around because kids in Finland are tought from the beginning to behave in classroom. I don't think the right way to make kids listen is to add tougher teachers. Actually quite opposite. Also funny fact was how they tried to say her last name. In Finland kids call their teachers by first name, never by last name. It's just one small thing which adds trust between the child and the teacher, but when you have enough these small things they start to show in results.
i felt sorry for that Finnish teacher at the end. It has to be said that UK children are appalling, have no respect, no self control and can't or won't listen! And their class teacher made excuses for them 'oh they're inner city London kids'...no no no! This is what is wrong with UK education - everyone makes excuses for badly behaved children. Makes me furious!
The culture is also a lot different in the UK than in Finland. Go and watch itv ("screaming at others when trying to 'solve' problems) or BBC (lots of negativity) and compare it with the Finish television channels.
The more negative people are and the more they say you are not allowed to do a thing for absurd reasons, or scream, or are negative, the more energetic and loud the kids will be.
Andro Meder well it is about what they get taught. At birth English kids are no more or less respectful than Finnish kids. kids are kids. they observe and learn from around them. and it certainly ain't about them being "inner city kids".
kids behave badly, if the are taught by society around them to behave badly and that means everybody around. it ain't just the parents or just the teachers or just the kids or the neighbour hood. It is the whole combined societal atmosphere around them. The whole Finnish society is ingrained in respecting other people. Might single people or parents fail in teaching it? yes, but it doesn't mean very much since all the children, all the teachers and everyday people around broadcast with their everyday actions and behaviour that people must be respected.
But it isn't about discipline really. the discipline is frankly light. rather it is a social construct and contract. Children learn when they behave, are trust worthy and respectful, they earn respect and trust themselves. They are given more responsibilities, but also more freedom. For example if children behave and don't hurt each other, they get to play more games, wander more and do sports like ice hockey. Theyb disrespect teachers or hurt each other or are reckless with their own safety, freedoms get taken away. Once the lesson is learned and trust earned back, freedoms come back.
Can Finnish model work directly else where, no, because countries are different. But neither would the current Finnish education system and model have worked in the 1960's Finland just before the program was started. One must understand Finland changed the WHOLE country and WHOLE society to make the education system work. It wasn't some "Miracle". It was over 30 years of extremely hard effort, sweat, tears and headache in single minded focused project and goal.
Not to be the best education system in the world, but to give each and EVERY (and understand, this is taken extremely seriously and literally means, every. not 50%, not 75%, not 99%, but absolutely every single child.Down to the last child up inside Utsjoki in the utmost arctic Lapland in a side village of maybe 100 people in it.) child a GOOD education (not perfect, good. which is why people are weirded out about Finland not focusing on "gifted student" by giving them extra special attention and tutoring to create "star pupils". it ain't the goal.), health, wellbeing and chance in life regardless of who they are or where they come from. Of course to the best of our ability as a country. Nobody is perfect. Finns are far more proud about the consistency of results within Finland, rather than it's level. Frankly the high achievement level is just a side product of the push for equality.
Has there been even longer tradition of respecting education in Finland and working together and Trust? yes, but that wasn't miracle either and doesn't just magically explain the results. People always say Finnish model won't work due to lack of Trust and Finns can do stuff because they Trust. Well that trust didn't magically poof in to existence. We worked to build it. We worked together to build the country. Frankly probably other countries could do it also. the only thing is it takes long term effort. this is now a century long project in building better home for ourselves called Finland.
So rather than Trust being the miracle or key building, block it would rather be our apparent knack for long term planning and working together on those long term plans. We knew when the primary education reform started it was a 30 year project. It was planned so. we flat out planned that we had to educate whole generation of new teachers to new high rigor, taking a decade or so, to allow for the other improvements like freeing up the control and accountability (which we did have before) to allow professional freedom to enhance the results long term, to build the respect, to make teaching appealing and to get the best and brightest to want to be teachers.
Finnish Police is trusted, because Finns know there is extensive screening and training on who gets to be police. Also if police mess up, they end up responsible. Helsinki PD sacked their WHOLE drug division, because apparently they were getting too friendly with dealers. Clean slate every single officer changed, checked screened, over ten officers under criminal charge, nearly 100 under extensive scrutiny sacked, transferred, punished. Mere privacy violation concerning a celebrities death and in authorized database search landed 90 officers with criminal charges. Trust, but verify.
Teacher are trusted, because each and everyone has 5 year of rigorous university training. And one doesn't even get into that program, no matter how brilliant they academically are unless the intake examiners think that the person has right mentality and personal skills and traits to be a good and trustworthy teacher. intake 10%. you could have straight As in everything and not be in that 10%, if they think children's future can't be trusted to you. THAT is why Finns trust teachers in Finland. Every each of them went through mental equivalent of a special forces physical selection exams. They EARNED the trust.
Politicians are trusted, because to be untrustworthy Finnish politician is a very quick way to commit absolute and final political suicide.
In Finland TRUST is earned and build, but once it is earned it stays. And if that trust is broken, getting it back is even doubly harder and lose of trust has severe consequences. So we don't need constant over watch and nosy accountability, because people know TRUST is a very very precious commodity not to be wasted. So they are trust worthy a) because people are generally decent b) to breach trust would be extremely unwise. We may not have constant supervision, but it doesn't mean breach of trust won't have serious consequences. Frankly the consequences are severe exactly because people are trusted and thus it is doubly egregious to break said trust.
Or indeed, their lack of contact with the society around them.
Like the Finnish teacher said, they are in school for long days and earlier starting age compared to 7-8 in Finland. They lack concentration in the afternoons because they take on so much throug their day and they have little chance to see society funcioning in a natural way.
Its like raising a chimp in a captivity and expecting him to know how to act in the wild.
Sounds like Finns respect themselves and other Finns on the basis of their actions and not because of money and status.
Ari Takalo : Wow! I think such a vision would be possible in an independent Scotland. Certainly worth aiming for, the basic values are already there, it's just a matter of breaking free from selfish English values ;-)
at the end its important what she says-- in Finland teachers have the freedom to express themselves creatively- that means they can dream up new exciting ways to teach and be more proud of their teaching. -In my opinion in US and England, where teachers aren't given any room to add or change their curriculum to make it better, it makes everything boring.
Boredom, in my opinion is a very individual problem... when you have unreal expectations from school you get bored... There are no uninteresting things - there are only uninterested people.
Yes and we are given a calendar...what to teach from day to day...we have to be on track with the other teachers on our team. The tests have to be the same also. There is no time for much creative stuff. No time. =(
This is why I taught at private school. I could be a PROFESSIONAL and do what the children in front of me needed. Teachers used to be considered professionals but now are just mouthing what they are told to do and babysitting in the minds of others.
I think something good to remember is that in Finland kids start school when they are seven and in the UK kids go to first grade when they are five. Child´s deduction skill are not fully developed in that early age yet. In Finland being teacher is also one of the most respected jobs.
Deductive skills don't happen organically. But learning does, of course learning has to be appropriate for the student, but you'd have to have a better environment than the school before switching to a non school model.
I wasn't even speaking at 5. I was kinda slow but it worked itself out.
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This teacher from Finland is amazing. She’s a combination of Mary Poppins and Superman and Batman and any thing from the fantastic four combined this woman is beyond thrilling. She prepares and plans and practices and loves what she does and she teaches to the various realms of physical and visual and oral and this woman is a walking Saint. I’ve been in teaching for nearly 35 years and She is beyond superb. She’s a walking lexicon and a Palestra of information and she is her own world wide web when it comes to teaching. The whole world should look at Finland and follow it. If we can’t do it in society we can start with the schools. As I said on another post about the Finland way of teaching I am happy for them and at the same time extremely depressed. The people of Finland value the arts
And as a music teacher I feel like a third class citizen much of the time. The people of Finland have it right and I applaud them.
That teacher kept interupting the Finnish teacher while they chatted. Very telling moment.
Actually that's not a bad thing when the teacher interrupting is the one who actually knows the kids. The Finnish teacher told as much early on: it's crucial to know whom you're teaching, before you can teach, or otherwise it's almost impossible to proceed.
Taking that kind of interruption and constructive critique, is a part of what they teach in Finnish didactics school. I even have a little bit of experience temping in Finland, without such guidance; it was totally horrible, and not in the least productive. In maths, as the most cumulative of the sciences as well, when you don't know the starting level, it's almost impossible.
And you know, I think even Finnish didactics teachers, of the teacher, would agree: it's not good she had to raise her voice and become as wired as she did. I'm rather certain that's because no Finnish teacher is prepared to deal with that much tension within the class, the individualism absent a totalistic national consensus on proper behavior (including racial and cultural near-homogeneity we still have here), and such. So I'd say, while definitely a model of a Finnish teacher, when thrown into the deep end of the pool culture-wise, for just a week, even to my ears or eyes, she didn't fare a *tenth* as well as she would have in her home turf.
I wonder if she had a longer trial, if a more established relationship with the kids would have been more successful.
Most definitley, shes seems incredibly capable as an educator and communicator. These kids had a week to learn the rules with her. Thats not nearly enough for a child to figure things out.
I really like the way that she told the other kids who didn't want to play to sit out and let the others play. In UK, Australia or America this wouldn't happen. Instead we would let the troublesome students disrupt everyone else's learning instead. No ridiculous testing either. More time for kids to play. No wonder the Western world education is so far behind. I think we could learn a lot from Finland.
Excluded kids can still be disruptive, but it was clever that they were left in the room. Highly likely they'd want to be included in the future and learn what behaviour was required for that by observing her succeed with their classmates.
Indeed. In the private school sector, this technique was accepted and successful. Pupils learnt to manage their own behaviour, then be allowed to join in.
In state sector, management didn't understand this and I was disciplined for using it.
She's so respectful of the children! In canada the teachers ordered us around and were vry domineering, we were treated like criminals sometimes, she treats them so well!
I wonder if the class was larger than the teacher was used to. I think the children became tired and that was when they became difficult. Also their normal teacher would have had all sorts of routines established and it is difficult for a new teacher to fit into those. However it was great to see what interesting maths the kids learn these days. Imagine if we adults went to a place where we learned new things from 9 am to 3.30 pm. We would be exhausted! I think the Finnish teacher did a great job in a second language with a class that was new to her.
cluttered English classrooms, covered in posters and all sort of signage...and clean , pristine uncluttered Finish classrooms :)
I have always found british classrooms so cluttered. Signs, plastic, bright colors everywhere. Small rooms and small windows and artificial lightening. Ugh, no thanks.
The school was 100 years old and way overcrowded
I really like the idea of relaxing the concentration demands in the afternoon - that's a realistic proposition = keep things a bit simpler for part of the time, at that age! I think art is the ideal remedy - more art activities and making.
Teachers need to be trusted to create the best learning experiences. In the UK it is very regimented as we live in a nanny state.The government does no allow teachers to do things in the best way and this can lead to the disengagement and poor behaviour of students. In Finland each local area decides on its curriculum and is trusted to do this. The teachers are trusted to do a good job also and are allowed to decide on timings and when to teach what. In the UK there is a climate of measuring and cross checking teachers and schools rather than just letting them get on with educating the child. Once we move towards that model of trusting the educators we will improve the outcomes for our children in the UK. Its a cultural change and will take a while to carry out- although I think everyone believes that the finish model can be qualified and sold as a product. It is not a product it is a way of life. This Finnish teacher could have been on Mars- she certainly was not in her own culture, where she is appreciated and respected highly and where children love school.
Class size is much much smaller in Finland.
And pre-natal care is infinitely better than in the U.S.
Better kids to instruct results in better outcomes . It's as simple as that.
The Finnish teacher is excellent. She tried to bring in as much interaction in the class that just makes sense and actually works but long term. The kids were eager but their chaos is a result of past experience with wrong teaching methods beginning in preschool. Her Finnish teaching qualification and teaching syle is so obvious. The lessons are much more intersting. The school teacher in England in that particular school has since long lost interest in making an effort and finds her job easier just blaming the "chaos" on the children and their backgrounds.
We all only have two nationalities to work with from this video: a Finnish teacher and a British teacher.
I can say only one thing that her English’s pronounce is much more understandable than any native English speaker have.
She'll never try that again, Lesson learned. Home sweet home, a return to Finland. Funny how the British teacher was "giving her advice" 😂
No
You've got it all wrong. She needed time to adapt, one week is ridiculous what do u expect her to perform? Magic?
And there's nothing wrong with the English teacher giving her advice, it doesn't guarantee her advice is valid🤷♂️.
Plus everyone can learn from everyone
@az_koala what's special about Finnish teachers is that they're passionate and actually need a masters degree before they can go into the profession.
They are widely respected in Finland
In Finland the kids call their teachers by their first name
Agenda 2030😂
21May2022 These videos are fascinating and captivating . I have just discovered them TODAY and I am looking forward to watching many more of them . Thank you so much for sharing !
Another thing that occurred to me is why the school hours are longer in America and UK than in Finland. Now, I don't know what the economy is like in Finland, but both parents in America at least, must work to survive. If children only had four hours of school, then they would be home without supervision, which will cause a whole lot of other problems. So school hours in America is not really about the instruction, it is about what the parents want. School is a way to provide supervision while they are at work.
We do work here too :D most of us full time. We have this "daycare" in school. It is in the morning from 7 to until the school starts and after school to 4 pm. It's not free, but it's not too expencive, something like 130e per month. But the parents usually picks their kids earlier if they can. Like if one parent have slightly different hours than the other one. The one who gets off work before picks the child.
We have extensive day care and kindergarten system in Finland provided by the towns. Every child is entitled to a place in day care by law. The kids who go to school have day care after school hours if they need it. Both parents usually work and being a house wife is really rare.
It is the same in Finland. Children whose parents are working go to afternoon clubs where they do sports, music, crafts etc. I also see groups of friends going somewhere together, aged maybe 9 or 10. Maybe to one child’s home?
Here kids have aftercare but they can also go home alone afterschool. they have keys and they know how to use the refrigerator and the microwave.so they go to school on their own sometimes with public transport and come back on their own. So as a parent I find kids at home when I get back from work
Very tough and challenging for her.... cultural factor makes the difference....
Its appears to me that these children are used to "memorizing" answers, rather than using their own critical thinking skills to solve problems. This is a result of the pressure of standardized tests. This is extremely sad to see. Hopefully, this video helps to prove why standardized tests are an issue and its more important that we focus on developing critical thinking and creativity to process information rather than memorizing a set of problems just to get a high score. A high score is worthless if in the future, as adults, if they are given a new problem they have never seen before. I like how the teacher from Finland was really trying to get the kids to process information independently and focused more on HOW to solve the problems, rather than shortcutting the critical thinking part of it.
Very true. Kids in Finland are taught problem soving, analysing, drawing conclusions and finding information themselves because that is what modern working life and life in general requires. There are no national exams until at the end of high school. The teachers give their own tests but also assess other tasks. Evaluation is a continuous process and aims at improving the skills of each individual. The kids don't complete against one another but aim at improving their own results.
At MAGA PIE STEPH: I agree 100 percent. Standardised testing is poisoning students. More critical thinking is needed. More focus on skill development and less on memorisation.
British schools are more focused on that than you might think. However it's worthy of consideration in the context of centralised management. That will inevitably generate patterns that can be learned by rote. If you want to develop imaginative & critical thinking then it'd be better to use imaginative & critical thinking in constructing the lessons.
As social animals we have evolved to learn from our environment & our social cohort in particular.
How are critical thinking & standardized tests mutually exclusive? Do these tests not include critical thinking questions?
@@russcoleman2338 The problem aren't the questions.
It's the test alone. The purpose of it is violated. Tests in other parts of the world are taken to determine the grade or smartness of a child and students study just for the sole purpose of passing these tests.
In Finland these tests are used to track the students progress, to know if they are getting along with the lessons, the tests are given by the teachers really anytime they want, its not like the organized end of term exams that other countries are used to. There are no standardized tests.
Test scores basically don't matter in Finland. It's all to know personal progression and it's for the teachers so they know what to do and how to approach things differently.
Finlandis a very peaceful country with peaceful people ,very happy people .
21May2022 This video gives a wonderful glimpse of ' the differences in the classroom atmosphere, and the teaching styles, and the self- discipline of the children, and the differences between the students' interest in learning, as well as the differences in the level of respect and cooperation of the students both in Finland and the in the UK .
In Finland, the children seem well-behaved, respectful, focused, and interested in learning and doing well in school. They seem to respect their teachers and respect their peers. The students seem to be interested in their studies and interested in accomplishing their goals.
In the UK the children are disrespectful, disruptive, and sometimes seem to enjoy being disobedient and unruly. My take-away is that the children in Finland enjoy school, enjoy learning, enjoy working hard, and they seem to be committed to respectful behavior towards the teachers and towards the other students.
I felt proud of the teachers and students in the schools in Finland, and I felt very surprised and disappointed with the unruly and disrespectful behavior from the students in the UK . I was also surprised with 'how the UK teacher spoke to the teacher from Finland. The UK teacher seemed to be saying that the teacher from Finland seemed to have a lack of ability to work well with the students in the UK . My own thoughts were that the students in the UK were rude and disruptive, and the teacher from Finland should not be blamed for expecting respectful and proper behavior from the students in the UK . I, too, ASSUMED that students in the UK would have proper behavior and proper respect towards others, as well as an interest in personal achievement at school.
I enjoyed watching the video and I am grateful that the video is being shown on TH-cam .
Thank you so very much !
All Finnish schools are State Schools, all equally funded. No top ups allowed. The UK is still running the feudal system.
Of course it is, the private Schools make a shit ton of money plus they pedal the misrepresentation that they don't take state School resources (while those rich parents could use those fees to better run the education system).
The UK system is woefully run and fast becoming a dystopian American system.
This shows quite clearly that the main problem is the attitude of British teachers who only want students to obey them without question.
Making students comply with your rules is not the same as helping students to understand that they need to cooperate with other people to be successful in life.
The British teacher needs to be less butthurt and learn from someone who has more experience.
UK teacher: "If you don't have respect for the children..."
I think she said "respect of the children" as in, they have to respect you.
We always used to play up 'Student teachers'
I love it.
Thanks for share.
a great geography lesson.
A childs educatiional attainment is dependant on parental expectation, and most dont care
Geography lesson was amazing !
Other countries to look at :p
gosh, my granddaughter is this age and a sample of the maths she's doing is: 534+135+543, and she can do this, understands what she's doing.
How many kids in school are Finnish? All of them. How much of their budget goes to defense? Less than 5%.
Excellent video.
She should teach in our school district.
... meant to say, if you devide unsharing :)
As an American teacher who taught in inner city Baltimore, these London kids are considered "well behaved". Kids are worse in many parts of America. I don't think the Finnish teacher would've lasted a week in Baltimore. The minute the teacher would say ""I'm not playing anymore, I'm playing with those who want to play. Those of you who don't listen, do what you want, I don't care...etc."" the students would all gang up on her. They'd say "We don't want to play your stupid game anyway" or outright call her a "bitch." or start running around the room doing their own thing, which somehow would end in a fight. So I have come to the conclusion that Finland doesn't have some secret sauce to education. They just have a different history and culture--a small population of people whose lives are slower, and because of it, they can concentrate and think about things longer.
The whole education system in Finland is based on equality and on providing the students a wide range of knowledge. Teachers have a great deal of autonomy and freedom. They are respected and trusted. Finnish kids score very high in the International Pisa tests so the methods and principles can't be bad. No wonder so many foreign teachers and educators come to Finland to learn from the system.
If kids cannot respect others, and especially teachers that want the best for them, it's clearly parent's and society's problem. Why should she use strategies to get respect from students? Shouldn't they respect her in the first place?
We should try to improve our own societies to make it more like theirs and not just give up already and blame it on our culture. Culture can change. It took the Finnish government 30 years to raise education to the status it has nowadays in its society. It requires requesting from our governments to implement long term strategies that would benefit the whole population as a whole. Not just focus on the economy. And not just for the short time period of their mandate.
I taught inner-city high school kids in the US....after getting laid off from my engineering job...they were very badly behaved at first. I told them that they have not been taught well in the past and that they are behind their grade in math, but it's not totally their fault. I said that I could bring up to where they should be.....but they had to meet me half way. They scratched their heads and to my surprise when I started teaching them actually behaved themselves. I had very little disciplining to do. It was like.... 'hey when we're in here we're going to be learning math .....ok no big deal.' I made the smartest kids group leaders and tutors. Of course it was an inner city school so they weren't angels.....but I had great success....but mainly because they were so terrible when I first got them.
@@russcoleman2338 Well done. You sound like a great teacher.
@@kmadge9820 thank u. Everyone of my students passed the TAAS test. Texas State Proficiency. My best students were a 9th grade class - 100% female. Apparently they all came from gym class together. They went to an advanced level very quickly. It really got me thinking.....'maybe separating boys and girls really does work.'...My worst students were transfers from a local catholic school who had been taught by a priest. I did notice that the kids from Mexico were usually better at the basics.....🤔
I think she finds the students in England not disciplined comparing to Finnish SS. She seems to do more effort
The fact the main teacher is surprised that the Finnish teacher doesn't have a problem with English speaks volumes really. The British system is stuck in the dark ages of learning, refusing to adapt and evolve. It has a private sector that gaslights it into thinking its helping it rather than not taking funds from it, and overworking kids and becoming an exam machine.
The Finnish language has so much words xD
Heh, I can assure you the subtitles were much, much shorter than what she actually said in Finnish :D
I feel sorry that many people critize the British teacher and the kids. Teaching is a hard job and it is hard to transfer experience from one country to another.
Oh to be a teacher in Finland!
British students are very good in expression and literacy skills. :D I assume that's the strength of British characteristics. On the other hands, they are not so great in mathematical logics... So I assume British education should be more focus on mathematics than literacy classes. A good video. :)
If their literacy skills are so good, why is the number of nearly illeterate 16-year olds so high in England. Finland has the highest literacy rate in the world and the results in the International Pisa tests have been great in reading and writing skills as well as in maths and science.
Being an Indian teacher everything seems to be different and creates curiosity.willing to try at home.
this is mind blowing ,, respect from Pakistan
i bet on finland any day - their system i want for my nation trinidad and i worked a manifesto to that end.
In Trinidad, west indies, education is watered down by a criminal govt. I laud Finland aplanty. Teachers I spoke with approve of Finland.
Was the British primary school teacher telling her off or supporting her?
At the end of the playing class the English teacher was patronising and lacking understanding between the two cultures. In Finland kids are expected to listen and are not so uncooperative. The English teacher indicated the Finnish guest didn't respect the kids. This was not true. She was respectful in all her lessons but the difference is that she is used to being respected by her pupils in Finland. The Finns are also more straight forward than the Brits.
The difference is that in Finland there is much more discipline and possibly consequences for misbehaved students. In the UK there are few, if any consequences.
@@Jefferyh1231
(Speaking as a Finn)
Yes that is true but there isn't really a worry for consequences in Finland since everyone acts cooperatively and kindly without being told to do so which is great.
From personal experience here in Scotland the same dumb asses (acting all tough wanna-be misbehaving kids) keep making trouble which prohibits me and others
from learning. And they do it time and time again because of the lack of consequence. I'm sitting there all quiet trying hard to focus whilst the 3 - 4 fucks in the back
of the room are blatantly blithering on and making it difficult to even withstand them. I miss Finland.
@@minilaatikko sorry to hear about that. This is the reason that I run a tutoring centre now and no longer teach in schools. I feel like I am making a difference and my efforts are appreciated.
She was bossing her. Ignorance at its best.
resolution 240p :)) Edit: oho this from 2013..
Multicultural school discipline is hard to manage, but chaotic 😢😢😢
I love in England
As soon as she starts complaining they loose interest and trust. She has to be clear and show them the activity first, but she is not used to having what most of us think is a normal class. I teach in Sweden and our classes are very different from Finland's, more like the UK. It demands more of the teacher. We can learn from Finland, but they can learn from us too.
And where does Swedish schools rank?? Finlands system is the no 1 in the world by far.
What exactly should Finland learn from Sweden??
Yeah, like Robert I don't really understand what you are saying. System clearly works if you do NOT need "more of the teacher". Of course she is not used to have kids running wildly around because kids in Finland are tought from the beginning to behave in classroom. I don't think the right way to make kids listen is to add tougher teachers. Actually quite opposite.
Also funny fact was how they tried to say her last name. In Finland kids call their teachers by first name, never by last name. It's just one small thing which adds trust between the child and the teacher, but when you have enough these small things they start to show in results.
Math is only a problem if you divide unequally :)
Riia Luhtanen or by 0
poetic indeed
l felt sorry for the finnish teacher she wasnt able to finnish what she wanted to say
finish
:） Two divided by X = X.
Let’s see this teacher teach a group of inner city kids in America. Lol
good
05:21 - it must be really hard. Yeah well, no not really. Brits. LMFAO
more of them are not english .
Mayashi Manodya and your name isn’t English either as you come from somewhere else so stop with ur racist comments
@@FaDeNitroz ok thank you😊
England? Only two white kids!
This is the future of basically all EU nations thanks to Mrs Merkel and her open borders policy.
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