Read your instructions for the manual unit! It states DO NOT ATTACH below the seat. It is supposed to be attached under the seat! Also the tether strap is supposed to be AS SHORT as possible. Example, shorten it as much as possible to just allow standing on the pegs like with an adventure bike.
It's two different activation systems. The mechanical one activates purely mechanically; the force pulling the tether is the force pulling the activation on the airbag system. The electronic system is done electronically, no external force is activating the airbag. So to have them both in one system would either require doubling up on the inflation systems, or making an entirely new inflation system that uses both (which would be tricky.)
I feel the oposite of the part where you said the teather doesnt look good lol I feel proud to show of that I'm using proper protective gear! I've even had someone ask what it was, and after telling them they said they'd look into getting one themselves!
Good review and comparison. I just went back to street riding after an 18 year lay off, and brought home a new bike on Saturday. At 19 I was hit by a car that made a left turn right in front of me. I flipped over my bars and my head smashed his windshield. My helmet saved my life. Fast forward a few years and I’m riding a cruiser with no helmet or any real protective gear to be said. His muse have been with me because I never got into an accident. Got married had kids got rid of street bikes. At 46 years old I’m back and i am not taking anymore risk then I have to. Have a Helite backpack coming today. I went with the tethered version for the peace of mind. In todays world I am extremely surprised that more people aren’t wearing airbags, and even more surprised that mandatory laws haven’t been passed at least in stat levels. As far as looking cool. My 16 year old daughter told me a few months back that I shouldn’t even try because it ain’t going to happen anymore. She also doubts that I was ever cool at any point in my life. 😆 I appreciate channels like yours and F9 who continually bring these life savers to the forefront without being preachy which automatically turns people off even if they know it’s good for them.
im 19 and planning to start learning this summer, my dad told me he used to ride and i was so surprised because i never thought he was 'cool' growing up lmao, i found this story rly cute. ride safe brother
I’ve had a mechanical tethered vests (multiple) for years with multiple bikes on the garage. The routine of engaging and disengaging is deep in my muscle memory now…like using a seat belt in a car. BUT… I have forgotten to engage it on occasions when rushing. The strap on the bike is generally a talking point when parked up and prompted good chats and opinions from others ‘wow..that’s cool’.
That’s good to know that the electronic trigger worked when it tipped over in a car. I think the H Moov in mechanical is the one I’d like to purchase but they seem to be out of stock!
Helite has spoken to the rear ender inflation issue by adding another sensor that attaches to your bike fork. I know it was not approved in the US (not sure of the timeline), but I 'm north of you so it is an option for me. But of course the additional sensor does add more cost. Still trying to decide which way to go.
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You can attach the lanyard under the seat, so that it comes out near the middle of the bike, far from the exhaust or engine. It looks better and you can then make the lanyard shorter, it's much less visible. I just made it with my H Movie on my VFR800. 🙂
Tethers don't run out of battery, they don't need you to be moving to arm, they don't go off because you spin around while getting off the bike, etc etc. Tethers won't disarm because your CC monthly payment to Klim was declined because your card expired.
Tether wont inflate before you impact the ground if you loose grip around a corner and low side.
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@@Surpriseify If you do low side, is the impact to the ground what hurts you? You're not falling from great heights, your garments will protect you. And before you hit anything you'll disengage from the bike, so tether will inflate anyway.
@ Plenty of crashes happen where the rider sustains lethal hits before properly getting disengaged from the bike. A lowside is just one example, and they can be extremely violent, especially at speed. I want protection immidiatly, not AFTER i get FLUNG off the bike hehe. To each his own
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@@Surpriseify You're right. To each his own. Electronic activation is designed for sport, my understanding is that tether is better suited to commute-type riding - shorter rides, lower speeds, occasional no-GPS lock, protection while the bike is not moving (when rear-ended by a car) and during first seconds of riding.
Thanks for the day to day impressions. Apparently, there is an additional fork mounted sensor to cover low speed crashes and ensure even quicker inflation. I am still torn between electronic or mechanical. How long does the battery last? Will it be sufficient for multi day trips?
The electronic looks so appealing to me since you don’t have to be attached to the bike. They make a fork sensor that should help detect rear end but they don’t sell it in the US
It is very important that the lanyard needs to be fixed in the center line of the bike between tank an seat and kept as short as possible. Furthermore, do not overestimate the safety gain. Tests by independent test institutes in Germany showed only less improvements. Frontal crash in a car with 15mph may kill you, an airbag improves your chances to survive to 25 to max 30mph. We ride in Germany up to 150 mph on highway. I myself own 2 vests and 1 jacket , all non electronic. Just for mental support, no much expectations.
A tough call. I like the reliability of a tether but wonder about a lowside without ejecting away from the bike… thus uncertain inflation prior to the initial smack on the ground. Whereas the electric… I can’t believe the accelerometer calibration is such that it would inflate with a slow motion unadorned tip over. It’s too bad it can’t sense when the backpack is taken off and just auto shutoff accordingly.
I just tipped my GoldWing on uneven parking lot, mounting the bike. My wife already has long time cervical spine damage from a car crash. She was lightly thrown off the back of the bike as it tipped away from the kickstand side. Her Helite Turtle 2 Mechanical inflated and cushioned her landing on to a sharp limestone parking lot surface. To your or me, it would probably be nothing but she is much less strong, more fragile in every way and it still protected her failing 3 feet at zero mph. HeR legs and hip hurt for the day but NOTHING on her upper torso was of any mention at all and she has near constant, roaming back & neck pains. It almost surely helped her support the helmet which did tap ground lightly. Not like it saved her life but she can be shoulder bumped in a crowd and have her legs go out for days. I am very thankful that it and her helmet were on and protected her as well as could be. We were both shocked that it went of (1st time of either vest) and I'm not sure I heard it. I didn't even see the tether pull out although I could see her fall to that side. She was surprised to be compressed but her back and neck was protected. I feel horrible that my mistake in hopping on to hard or not having her load up after I moved, caused her to be scared and hurt, even a little, days later. Electronics would not have gone off, from what I understand becaues they don't arm until well after running speeds. I had spare canisters at home. Rearmed vest and GLADLY bought more canisters! They'll come in the mail and hopefully she'll still be up to riding with me.
I just got a Spidi Air DPS much better looking IMO and just as good safety with a mechanical operation for less money in UK. I think they are being discounted at the moment because retailers overstock due to UK bikers not wanting to look woosy using them. I have used a Dair air bag leathers and it saved me on the race track so know the value.
For me I got backpack. I have a sport bike with zero storage so need a backpack. However wouldn't want to wear one with a vest on. So the backpack was the best option for me. Also if I don't need the pack I just remove the backpack part. Quick question do you still have a back protector in your jacket? Was not sure if I am supposed to have that and the vest. Good review. 👍
I do, but I'd argue it's not that important. You can always argue more armor is good, but I would be more concerned about foot, hip, and hand protection before a back protector. But I'm not a professional.
@@DailyMotor thanks for the reply. Yeah I left mine in and it feels fine. Just wasn't sure if I was supposed to. 👍. Hopefully I'll never need to find out. But that's why it's there. Just in case.
The whole thing is just about the safety.....the electronic one combined with an additional fork sensor gives a reaction time of 30ms even if you get rear ended.....In my opinion the way to go.....the few bucks difference don't matter,.....the objective is to maximise safety .....just my personal 2 cents .....stay safe 🤞
Regarding the auto on/off for the electronic version, I don't understand why they added a button instead of using the front buckles as the activation point. You buckle up, it's on. You unbuckle, it's off. No stupid 3 taps, no turning off your bike engine to hear the beep, no looking in your mirror for a small flash, etc. If they did that, kept the CO2 canisters, added an optional mechanical activation point if electronics fail, and an app or a way to update the algorithm over time, they could easily charge $1200 and people would pay for it.
Same as your conclusion, love the backpack idea but wish it had better visibility. I very intentionally ride with a light, multi-colored jacket to improve visibility and covering that up with a big black-on-black-on-black backpack seems stupid.
Just bought a turtle 2 to go with the identical NC750 geezer / grocery bike. Not sure about fit -- how far it's *supposed* to do down in back. Helite website mentiones it can be long enough to make sitting on the tail OK, but also says airbag shouldn't be below ribs in front, which sounds like would be the case if tail were sittable. Mine just covers tailbone in back undeployed and seems to cover rib area / hip cage about right, but haven't verified with riding jacket / shoulder pads yet. I'm 6'3" skinny so no way anything other than a M will fit me around the chest w/o being super loose. In videos with reviews or Helite site, back length on their models seems to go from tailbone to a little lower. Maybe overthinking it. Better than w/o in just about any imaginable scenario.
This was a great comparison! Do you find yourself grabbing the HMOOV more than the vest because you have a backpack or because of the electronics? Do you think the backpack would fit really big dudes as well as the Turtle 2? How is the coverage with the backpack?
I find myself grabbing the HMOOV more than the vest because of the water bladder. Just yesterday I went on a four hour ride on the F 850 GS, and I was going to wear the Turtle, but then I realized I wanted to have my water accessible, so I took the backpack
Since I'm mostly ride my dual sport off-road, I wonder how well the mechanical trigger would actually work. Usually if I go down it's because I hit some loose sand and I slide sideways and the bike lands on my boot.
@@DailyMotor I don't know about that. I had a friend that went down at about 20 mph because he had some deep mud and broke some ribs. I broke a collarbone on my mountain bike going about 20.
I have the Tech Air 5 airbag under jacket vest and sometimes I wonder about the things you do too for the H Moov! I dont ride much (new rider without a bike, so I ride with my bro in law), but decided to get all the safety gear first to really incentivize me getting into my journey. The Tech Air 5 has a really nice "armed" led light that turns on when the zipper cover clasp is closed on the magnet at the top of your chest. The bottom of the vest where you attach the zippers together also has a charge level LED (bright enough to keep you awake if you charge it in your room). The app also shows you charge status and I believe it can tell you if the airbag is properly armed if you pull it up (blue tooth). The app allows you to set your riding mode between track, street, adventure where I believe the theory on the street one is it removes the GPS requirement for travelling speed for the airbag to go off. (Believe this makes it possible for the airbag to inflate if you are rear ended at a red light?) All I know is that there are 3 Accelerometers and 3 Gyros (and possibly 0 GPS) and that they decide when to activate and according to Alpinestars, that includes being rear ended. I still don't know exactly how it works, but my wallet said it was worth it! My head also unfortunately was an Arai head, so my helmet was expensive too, oh well. (Was really gunning for a K6 or a shoei xD) Edit: I found the video that told me what I thought: th-cam.com/video/OcOPpp1Uul8/w-d-xo.html The discussion on being at a stop is at 8:55 in this video
On some hot days, I like to stand up on my adv bike and rest my back and get some more air. Can we stand up and still attach with the backpack on an adventure bike and stay safe? Is there enough length?
Looks like you don't reply to comments, but I'll try anyway: you said at 11:36 that the tethered vest would go off when you're rear ended. I'm trying to decide between the tethered and the e-turtle (with forksensor)... The one reason why I am leaning towards the more expensive option (e-turtle) is precisely because it would save me when rear ended as the tethered surely won't since my body hits the car before it's conpletely of my bike... can you explain your thought process? Maybe I'm missing a point
The electronic version doesn't work below 15 mph, therefore it's unlikely to inflate on a static rear-end collision. Sure, the tethered version wouldn't inflate on impact from the vehicle, but it would inflate before you hit the ground, which is better than nothing. Unfortunately, the static rear-end collision is one of the most difficult impacts to mitigate.
@@DailyMotor Hey there, The Helite e-Bike Fork Sensor pack is an optional extra. The sensor is attached to the bike forks using an appropriately sized bracelet and can be used in conjunction with your electronic vest to allow detection of impacts even at 0mph. Full protection can also be achieved even when your bike is stationary
@mantas7422 The Helite fork sensor add-on is not compatible with Helite electronic vests and backpacks sold in the USA because it is not FCC approved and operate on a different frequency.
A major con of the tether is that you can't use it with a backpack. I am not sure if other manufacturers have the problem of not being able to work underground. I wouldn't mind a comprehensive study of all the airbags out there (or at least the big companies). Most of the information seems ancedotal.
Its simple rear ended the manual wont go off but the electronic will. People are scared of technology, but it will save you more often than a manual will.
So you, Charlie are the one that films the winding Road magazine videos in California and then Chris is in Michigan and doesn’t film those videos. Can you please clarify that’s me because I am pretty confused about that.
I originally had the tethered vest and eventually bought the electronic vest. I prefer the electronic one. The electronic version is less annoying for me. It has a really long battery life and dealing with the tether drove me nuts. Need gas? Had to unhook from the bike. Need your bike serviced? Had to remove tether. Have a tip-over? Have to unhook from the bike. The worst was when I forget to hook to bike after a stop. I would hear a distinctive "clack-clack" as it was hitting my exhaust. I am thankful it never got stuck in my tires. I really want the backpack. I wish I hadn't bought the electronic vest and had instead waited a few months and bought the backpack.
Yes, and also oftentimes when I'm riding on dirt I'm not going fast enough or around traffic so I don't really want the airbag to inflate at all. So I usually turn it off. However I do know Helite is working on an off-road algorithm for the airbag.
Without accelerometers the tether will not protect you if YOU ARE HIT! Side front or a hit from the rear!!! You’re still on the bike while getting hit!!
a battery operated air-bag...let that sink in. no. really. let that sink in. the engineers certainly didn't. that should never have made it past the track. it's the dumbest idea since the battery operated seatbelt. if you forget to clip in, you're just as daft as to forget to turn your vest on. forgetting is forgetting it doesn't matter which system you have, it depends on how stupid and rushed you are.
Read your instructions for the manual unit! It states DO NOT ATTACH below the seat. It is supposed to be attached under the seat! Also the tether strap is supposed to be AS SHORT as possible. Example, shorten it as much as possible to just allow standing on the pegs like with an adventure bike.
right! i thought the same.... Its way too long if he fall off the wrong side
I got the hmoov with mechanical trigger. Its simple, and I like simple. Attach cord, me fly of bike, vest goes boom.
Also doubles as a life vest when in water for about 10-20 mins.
electric trigger good, manual trigger better
Dunno why they dont just give you the mechanical option on the electronic one, that way you can have both active if you want.
It's two different activation systems. The mechanical one activates purely mechanically; the force pulling the tether is the force pulling the activation on the airbag system.
The electronic system is done electronically, no external force is activating the airbag.
So to have them both in one system would either require doubling up on the inflation systems, or making an entirely new inflation system that uses both (which would be tricky.)
Would it be tho? Make an electronic release and then have the tether attach to a switch, pull the tether switch fires and boom goes the vest
I feel the oposite of the part where you said the teather doesnt look good lol
I feel proud to show of that I'm using proper protective gear! I've even had someone ask what it was, and after telling them they said they'd look into getting one themselves!
Good review and comparison. I just went back to street riding after an 18 year lay off, and brought home a new bike on Saturday. At 19 I was hit by a car that made a left turn right in front of me. I flipped over my bars and my head smashed his windshield. My helmet saved my life. Fast forward a few years and I’m riding a cruiser with no helmet or any real protective gear to be said. His muse have been with me because I never got into an accident. Got married had kids got rid of street bikes.
At 46 years old I’m back and i am not taking anymore risk then I have to. Have a Helite backpack coming today. I went with the tethered version for the peace of mind. In todays world I am extremely surprised that more people aren’t wearing airbags, and even more surprised that mandatory laws haven’t been passed at least in stat levels.
As far as looking cool. My 16 year old daughter told me a few months back that I shouldn’t even try because it ain’t going to happen anymore. She also doubts that I was ever cool at any point in my life. 😆
I appreciate channels like yours and F9 who continually bring these life savers to the forefront without being preachy which automatically turns people off even if they know it’s good for them.
im 19 and planning to start learning this summer, my dad told me he used to ride and i was so surprised because i never thought he was 'cool' growing up lmao, i found this story rly cute. ride safe brother
@@jyoutir Thanks! Stay safe, have fun, and learn everything you can do you can be the best rider possible.
Awww that's cute your little one wants you to be safe❤
I’ve had a mechanical tethered vests (multiple) for years with multiple bikes on the garage. The routine of engaging and disengaging is deep in my muscle memory now…like using a seat belt in a car. BUT… I have forgotten to engage it on occasions when rushing. The strap on the bike is generally a talking point when parked up and prompted good chats and opinions from others ‘wow..that’s cool’.
That’s good to know that the electronic trigger worked when it tipped over in a car.
I think the H Moov in mechanical is the one I’d like to purchase but they seem to be out of stock!
Helite has spoken to the rear ender inflation issue by adding another sensor that attaches to your bike fork. I know it was not approved in the US (not sure of the timeline), but I 'm north of you so it is an option for me. But of course the additional sensor does add more cost. Still trying to decide which way to go.
You can attach the lanyard under the seat, so that it comes out near the middle of the bike, far from the exhaust or engine.
It looks better and you can then make the lanyard shorter, it's much less visible.
I just made it with my H Movie on my VFR800. 🙂
Tethers don't run out of battery, they don't need you to be moving to arm, they don't go off because you spin around while getting off the bike, etc etc.
Tethers won't disarm because your CC monthly payment to Klim was declined because your card expired.
yea but electronic will save you from any angle your hit from. Tether wont.
Tether wont inflate before you impact the ground if you loose grip around a corner and low side.
@@Surpriseify If you do low side, is the impact to the ground what hurts you? You're not falling from great heights, your garments will protect you. And before you hit anything you'll disengage from the bike, so tether will inflate anyway.
@ Plenty of crashes happen where the rider sustains lethal hits before properly getting disengaged from the bike.
A lowside is just one example, and they can be extremely violent, especially at speed. I want protection immidiatly, not AFTER i get FLUNG off the bike hehe.
To each his own
@@Surpriseify You're right. To each his own.
Electronic activation is designed for sport, my understanding is that tether is better suited to commute-type riding - shorter rides, lower speeds, occasional no-GPS lock, protection while the bike is not moving (when rear-ended by a car) and during first seconds of riding.
Thanks for the day to day impressions.
Apparently, there is an additional fork mounted sensor to cover low speed crashes and ensure even quicker inflation.
I am still torn between electronic or mechanical.
How long does the battery last?
Will it be sufficient for multi day trips?
The electronic looks so appealing to me since you don’t have to be attached to the bike. They make a fork sensor that should help detect rear end but they don’t sell it in the US
That's too bad.
It is very important that the lanyard needs to be fixed in the center line of the bike between tank an seat and kept as short as possible. Furthermore, do not overestimate the safety gain. Tests by independent test institutes in Germany showed only less improvements. Frontal crash in a car with 15mph may kill you, an airbag improves your chances to survive to 25 to max 30mph. We ride in Germany up to 150 mph on highway. I myself own 2 vests and 1 jacket , all non electronic. Just for mental support, no much expectations.
A tough call. I like the reliability of a tether but wonder about a lowside without ejecting away from the bike… thus uncertain inflation prior to the initial smack on the ground.
Whereas the electric… I can’t believe the accelerometer calibration is such that it would inflate with a slow motion unadorned tip over.
It’s too bad it can’t sense when the backpack is taken off and just auto shutoff accordingly.
The tether is easily testable (and way cheaper CO2 cartridges). With electronics you should just trust the working.
I just tipped my GoldWing on uneven parking lot, mounting the bike. My wife already has long time cervical spine damage from a car crash. She was lightly thrown off the back of the bike as it tipped away from the kickstand side. Her Helite Turtle 2 Mechanical inflated and cushioned her landing on to a sharp limestone parking lot surface. To your or me, it would probably be nothing but she is much less strong, more fragile in every way and it still protected her failing 3 feet at zero mph.
HeR legs and hip hurt for the day but NOTHING on her upper torso was of any mention at all and she has near constant, roaming back & neck pains. It almost surely helped her support the helmet which did tap ground lightly. Not like it saved her life but she can be shoulder bumped in a crowd and have her legs go out for days. I am very thankful that it and her helmet were on and protected her as well as could be.
We were both shocked that it went of (1st time of either vest) and I'm not sure I heard it. I didn't even see the tether pull out although I could see her fall to that side. She was surprised to be compressed but her back and neck was protected. I feel horrible that my mistake in hopping on to hard or not having her load up after I moved, caused her to be scared and hurt, even a little, days later.
Electronics would not have gone off, from what I understand becaues they don't arm until well after running speeds.
I had spare canisters at home. Rearmed vest and GLADLY bought more canisters! They'll come in the mail and hopefully she'll still be up to riding with me.
I just got a Spidi Air DPS much better looking IMO and just as good safety with a mechanical operation for less money in UK. I think they are being discounted at the moment because retailers overstock due to UK bikers not wanting to look woosy using them. I have used a Dair air bag leathers and it saved me on the race track so know the value.
For me I got backpack. I have a sport bike with zero storage so need a backpack. However wouldn't want to wear one with a vest on. So the backpack was the best option for me. Also if I don't need the pack I just remove the backpack part.
Quick question do you still have a back protector in your jacket? Was not sure if I am supposed to have that and the vest.
Good review. 👍
I do, but I'd argue it's not that important. You can always argue more armor is good, but I would be more concerned about foot, hip, and hand protection before a back protector. But I'm not a professional.
@@DailyMotor thanks for the reply. Yeah I left mine in and it feels fine. Just wasn't sure if I was supposed to. 👍. Hopefully I'll never need to find out. But that's why it's there. Just in case.
The whole thing is just about the safety.....the electronic one combined with an additional fork sensor gives a reaction time of 30ms even if you get rear ended.....In my opinion the way to go.....the few bucks difference don't matter,.....the objective is to maximise safety .....just my personal 2 cents .....stay safe 🤞
Regarding the auto on/off for the electronic version, I don't understand why they added a button instead of using the front buckles as the activation point. You buckle up, it's on. You unbuckle, it's off. No stupid 3 taps, no turning off your bike engine to hear the beep, no looking in your mirror for a small flash, etc.
If they did that, kept the CO2 canisters, added an optional mechanical activation point if electronics fail, and an app or a way to update the algorithm over time, they could easily charge $1200 and people would pay for it.
Same as your conclusion, love the backpack idea but wish it had better visibility. I very intentionally ride with a light, multi-colored jacket to improve visibility and covering that up with a big black-on-black-on-black backpack seems stupid.
Wear a bright colored helmet
Just bought a turtle 2 to go with the identical NC750 geezer / grocery bike. Not sure about fit -- how far it's *supposed* to do down in back. Helite website mentiones it can be long enough to make sitting on the tail OK, but also says airbag shouldn't be below ribs in front, which sounds like would be the case if tail were sittable. Mine just covers tailbone in back undeployed and seems to cover rib area / hip cage about right, but haven't verified with riding jacket / shoulder pads yet. I'm 6'3" skinny so no way anything other than a M will fit me around the chest w/o being super loose. In videos with reviews or Helite site, back length on their models seems to go from tailbone to a little lower. Maybe overthinking it. Better than w/o in just about any imaginable scenario.
helite sells a fork sensor that protects you even when you get rear ended at a stop light. might want to look into that!
Right, apparently it's not available in the States yet, but hopefully soon.
do you really need the senor? I thought it detects a rear end on its own?
The sensor is supposed to detect incidents even when you are at a stop light. Without the sensor the detection starts after 15mph
@@IamRockAso it knows between a sharp emergency brake and a rear hit?
Allegedly. Google it.
This was a great comparison!
Do you find yourself grabbing the HMOOV more than the vest because you have a backpack or because of the electronics? Do you think the backpack would fit really big dudes as well as the Turtle 2? How is the coverage with the backpack?
I find myself grabbing the HMOOV more than the vest because of the water bladder. Just yesterday I went on a four hour ride on the F 850 GS, and I was going to wear the Turtle, but then I realized I wanted to have my water accessible, so I took the backpack
Why the electronic ones cannot have optional mechanical trigger as well ?
Riding look so much fun! Crashing not so much
Since I'm mostly ride my dual sport off-road, I wonder how well the mechanical trigger would actually work. Usually if I go down it's because I hit some loose sand and I slide sideways and the bike lands on my boot.
I typically unplug and tuck the cable in the seat when I'm riding off road. I don't need it going off at 20 mph on dirt.
@@DailyMotor I don't know about that. I had a friend that went down at about 20 mph because he had some deep mud and broke some ribs. I broke a collarbone on my mountain bike going about 20.
@@jdroofcleanpw Yeah, I suppose it's up to you to decide what's best for you
I would loop the turtle 2 around my handle bar, right in the middle if possible depending on the bike I guess..
Maybe you're joking, but if not, I don't think that idea would work too well.
@@clay1883 How so? The coard is pretty long, and for it to work properly, I would assume you should attach it as high as possible.
@@clay1883 Obviously not on the handle bar where it just slides off.
I have the Tech Air 5 airbag under jacket vest and sometimes I wonder about the things you do too for the H Moov! I dont ride much (new rider without a bike, so I ride with my bro in law), but decided to get all the safety gear first to really incentivize me getting into my journey.
The Tech Air 5 has a really nice "armed" led light that turns on when the zipper cover clasp is closed on the magnet at the top of your chest. The bottom of the vest where you attach the zippers together also has a charge level LED (bright enough to keep you awake if you charge it in your room). The app also shows you charge status and I believe it can tell you if the airbag is properly armed if you pull it up (blue tooth). The app allows you to set your riding mode between track, street, adventure where I believe the theory on the street one is it removes the GPS requirement for travelling speed for the airbag to go off. (Believe this makes it possible for the airbag to inflate if you are rear ended at a red light?) All I know is that there are 3 Accelerometers and 3 Gyros (and possibly 0 GPS) and that they decide when to activate and according to Alpinestars, that includes being rear ended.
I still don't know exactly how it works, but my wallet said it was worth it! My head also unfortunately was an Arai head, so my helmet was expensive too, oh well. (Was really gunning for a K6 or a shoei xD)
Edit: I found the video that told me what I thought: th-cam.com/video/OcOPpp1Uul8/w-d-xo.html
The discussion on being at a stop is at 8:55 in this video
On some hot days, I like to stand up on my adv bike and rest my back and get some more air. Can we stand up and still attach with the backpack on an adventure bike and stay safe? Is there enough length?
Yup! They say you should make the length just enough so that it's getting tight when you're fully standing.
Looks like you don't reply to comments, but I'll try anyway: you said at 11:36 that the tethered vest would go off when you're rear ended. I'm trying to decide between the tethered and the e-turtle (with forksensor)... The one reason why I am leaning towards the more expensive option (e-turtle) is precisely because it would save me when rear ended as the tethered surely won't since my body hits the car before it's conpletely of my bike... can you explain your thought process? Maybe I'm missing a point
The electronic version doesn't work below 15 mph, therefore it's unlikely to inflate on a static rear-end collision. Sure, the tethered version wouldn't inflate on impact from the vehicle, but it would inflate before you hit the ground, which is better than nothing. Unfortunately, the static rear-end collision is one of the most difficult impacts to mitigate.
@@DailyMotor Hey there, The Helite e-Bike Fork Sensor pack is an optional extra. The sensor is attached to the bike forks using an appropriately sized bracelet and can be used in conjunction with your electronic vest to allow detection of impacts even at 0mph. Full protection can also be achieved even when your bike is stationary
@@mantas7422 Right, I'm seeing that now. Interesting concept, and I will probably have to pick one up!
@mantas7422 The Helite fork sensor add-on is not compatible with Helite electronic vests and backpacks sold in the USA because it is not FCC approved and operate on a different frequency.
Ahhhh, I see I see. Very silly. Thanks!@tral
Does high summer temperatures and high humidity affect the sensors ?
A major con of the tether is that you can't use it with a backpack.
I am not sure if other manufacturers have the problem of not being able to work underground. I wouldn't mind a comprehensive study of all the airbags out there (or at least the big companies). Most of the information seems ancedotal.
Its simple rear ended the manual wont go off but the electronic will. People are scared of technology, but it will save you more often than a manual will.
It’s the opposite.
@@CRodsnare how so?
So you, Charlie are the one that films the winding Road magazine videos in California and then Chris is in Michigan and doesn’t film those videos. Can you please clarify that’s me because I am pretty confused about that.
Mostly correct, Chris Brower films WR videos in Michigan as well.
I originally had the tethered vest and eventually bought the electronic vest. I prefer the electronic one. The electronic version is less annoying for me. It has a really long battery life and dealing with the tether drove me nuts. Need gas? Had to unhook from the bike. Need your bike serviced? Had to remove tether. Have a tip-over? Have to unhook from the bike. The worst was when I forget to hook to bike after a stop. I would hear a distinctive "clack-clack" as it was hitting my exhaust. I am thankful it never got stuck in my tires.
I really want the backpack. I wish I hadn't bought the electronic vest and had instead waited a few months and bought the backpack.
What electronic vest did you buy exactly?
Why do you want the backpack over the vest?
what is the electronic hmoov like for dirt riding? Do you think sudden deacceleration might trigger it?
Yes, and also oftentimes when I'm riding on dirt I'm not going fast enough or around traffic so I don't really want the airbag to inflate at all. So I usually turn it off. However I do know Helite is working on an off-road algorithm for the airbag.
@@DailyMotor oh sweet! Should have enough money saved by the time the new algo comes out to buy the updated offroad version. Thanks heaps man
Where does the other guy that reviews cars with him locate at? Is he in the California area?
Who is that?
Winding road magazine
That's me, as well as Chris Brower, who is in Michigan.@@theamazingali1436
Bike safety is always good. Imma stick to cars tho 😂
MInivans are safest make sure it’s a minivan.
Lol
until they bring the fork sensor across the pond, I'm sticking to mechanical
Without accelerometers the tether will not protect you if YOU ARE HIT! Side front or a hit from the rear!!! You’re still on the bike while getting hit!!
I understood that you have to go more than 15 kms per hour with electronic version to inflate the sistem… it doesn’t works if you were hit stopped
a battery operated air-bag...let that sink in. no. really. let that sink in. the engineers certainly didn't. that should never have made it past the track. it's the dumbest idea since the battery operated seatbelt. if you forget to clip in, you're just as daft as to forget to turn your vest on. forgetting is forgetting it doesn't matter which system you have, it depends on how stupid and rushed you are.