My dad carried an M2 during his time in the south pacific. He loved the carbines. He talked about his fondness of the carbines often. I won a Ruger M77 308 heavy barrel at one of the Atlanta gun shows years ago. A dealer there had a table full of really nice .30 carbines. My dad got on his carbine kick that following week. The next weekend I found the dealer at another show and he did a gun for gun trade for a very nice carbine. On my Dad's Birthday I presented him with the carbine dressed up with a period correct sling and stock mag pouch, 3 mag's and a WWII Vet cap. Man, you talk about one happy dude! He was on cloud 9 for quite some time. I still and will have that carbine until I check out of here.
@@michaelhopkins4296 My first year in the Army (reserves) i was in the Signal Corp stationed at Marine Camp Pendleton. Dont run into that many for thumbs up. When i went active i was a 20MM Vulcan Gunner, quite a big difference from Communications.
My carbine came back from Korea with an uncle of mine. It has been my go-to, down behind the seat of the Jeep gun for fifty years. Never had a single problem, no matter what ammo I used. I've shot everything from squirrels and rabbits up to coyotes and a couple of small deer. Plus about a million rattlesnakes and feral pigs. The one gun I've ever had that isn't, and never will be, for sale. Hope to pass it on to a great grandson one of these days.
I can remember the Dutch Security guys at Schiapol Airpot still using original WWII version standard issue during the eighties. Sometimes I wish that Ruger would remake the 10/22 into a 10/30 version at the same size... Useful size and as you say the cartridge can be updated. Pete.
Sorry, I meant to add that even large temporary cavitation induces tremendous “shock” into a red blooded animals system - often enough to provide instant knockdown. P.
The first time I fired an m1 carbine I loved it. Almost no recoil from a round that packs a nice punch. Very accurate and consistent. Only crappy side at the time .30 cal was very very pricey
I agree this would be a great video! So often you hear about the 30 carbine not being adequate past 100 yards and id like to see that theory tested. I bet its wrong like most crap people spread about guns.
Jacob Ryan it is so pointless... go and look at J.Miculek's channel where he hits a steel target at 1000yards witn 9mm. .30 carbine will kill you at that distance no problem since the 9mm will. What is the point of making a video about it?
Simon Sady - I've seen that video it was cool to see him pull off that shot. I think it would be an interesting video in general and see how well the little m1 carbine could shoot at that distance with the xtreme cavitator.
Jacob Ryan well, I am not an expert but since it's a pretty light bullet it could be a bit of a problem to reach out and touch something at 600yrd with iron sights, especially in windy conditions since it isn't as fast as let's say 77gr. 556 out ou 20" barrel It would be pretty entertaining video...if that's what you are after?
That'd be a perfect video. Makes me think back to WW2 and Korea to a greater extent given that engagements were often at long distances up in the mountains. I have heard so many times about the .30 carbine not penetrating the thick jackets of Chinese soldiers.
REALLY brilliant video Eric!!! I really enjoy watching the M1 carbine in action. Its my favourite amongst all of the WWII carbines, easy to handle, ergonomic and quick to point. Lethal to 100 yards and acceptable iron sight accuracy to 300 yards. I know it will kill out to 400 yards with just enough residual power left in the round. But as Eric pointed out, thick coats and jackets could take what was left of the punching power out of the bullet head at distance. I still totally love these old carbines.
Reverse ogive projectiles were experimented with as far back as the late 1970s. They exploit hydrostatic shock very efficiently. .30 Carbine is an ideal cartridge for this design as it creates adequate velocity with a useful projectile weight. Also, the .30 Carbine rifle is an American icon, a real classic. Like a 57 Chevy in gun form.
Around here, the 30 carbine is my beloved. I made a carry case on each tractor of mine and a leg holster for my 30 carbine enforcer pistols. Deer, no problems around here. Coyotes; no problem, they sit outside of 22LR range. Ferral hogs.... Big fun! Depending on size is where you judge s headshot or sideshot. Take care from Oklahoma Mike and Vee
Absolutely love this video, my grandfather left me his m1 when he passed and my favorite memory of him taking me shooting was when he pulled it out and explained the history behind it. Completely fascinated me, but after was handed down to me all I ever heard was how soft and unreliable it is, so seeing the rumors disproven surely you could imagine how glad I am. Most certainly should do more videos like these!
I am very sorry about your grandfather, my uncle recently passed away and I was given his carbine and holy hell it's my favorite firearm now. I started casting bullets for it, it's such a light handy little gun, and an absolute hammer.
My grandfather was a tank driver in WWII. They were issued M1 carbines due to the lack of space inside of tanks. I inherited his little M1 carbine. It's definitely an interesting little firearm.
Before the Blackout became a big deal, we converted a .222 Remington 722 into a .30 Carbine with a 1-18 twist Pac-Nor 28" bull barrel for a customer. It shot insanely well, even with junk off-the-shelf ammo. I think everyone always assumes the caliber was a turd because of the rifle it came in. In a good gun, it's a performer.
In 1950. My dad shot a pot-full of North Koreans with his M1 Carbine, mostly around the Naktong River outside Seoul (Seoul Perimiter) & he said it killed them pretty well back then,
How many N. Koreans in a pot full Bro ? LOL My Dad was a Korea Vet.POW for 3 plus years. He would tell me they would attack amped up on opium and be virtually impervious. They would just keep coming. BAR 06.
By the by, The Nakdong River is nowhere near Seoul. It is in the southeast of Korea near the city of Daegu. There was no “Seoul Perimeter”. It was the Pusan Perimeter, and the Nakdong River was part of the Pusan Perimeter. I am a retired Army guy and live there. Just a heads up...
The 110 grain ball round easily shoots through a telephone pole. It came as a real shock to me. I had stapled a paper target to the utility pole not expecting the bullets to go through. I even stapled a target to the opposite side of the pole to confirm that the bullets were actually passing through the pole.
The .30 carbine was introduced into a world of cartridges like .30-06 M2 Ball and the opposing 8x57 Mauser 198gr sS-round so it must have felt underpowered and short on it's legs in that company. But over 700ft.lbs dumping it's energy in an instant makes a nasty hole into anything that walks or crawls inside 100yd/m combat distance. Thanks for the video, keep showing these oldies in action in the future as well!
Iraq veteran I have the up most respect for thank you so much for your service. People like you are are the reason why we can have our freedom. I enjoy your channel your videos are very informative &'I learn a lot from them. Thank you agin for the videos & most importantly Thank You for your sacrifice for this country.
Another classic; I love the M1 Carbine. As you stated, its a small, light, short and handy platform. Underwood is really giving this gun new legs. I enjoyed MAC's video some months ago with the .30 Carbine and .32 Underwood ammo test; but you guys did a good job putting the 8888 spin on it. Thanks!
Thanks for doing this video. I have both the carbine, and a pistol that shoot this round. Anyone who has any doubts about it's penetration or leathality has done no actual research on the round. It punches holes in stuff that stops other rounds dead. With soft point ammo, or higher performance bullets, it really does come into the relm of a useful hunting round for lighter game.
Out of an Automag III it makes .357 magnum look like .38 Special. It looses some get-up-n-go with the cylinder gap in revolvers like the Ruger Blackhawk and Jager Dakota but it still has a lot of pep behind it. Hopefully you don't have a Kimball, though, as they're known to disassemble themselves.
30 carbine really is an all around cartridge. If it were more common I'd take it in a shtf situation. It's kind of the medium between 223 and 308. Not moving as fast as 223 but it will take deer and even elk with proper placement. I'd go on to say that most hunting takes place 100 yards or closer. The 30 carbine is the perfect woods gun and your kids and wife can carry this and shoot it no problem and the action is so simple, rugged, and reliable it's hard for me to compare newer rifle designs to these battle proven models
It always was respectable and does precisely what it was designed to do. It's just that all the cheap milsurp guns and ammo dried up and people moved on-mainly to cheap Cold War surplus from Eastern Europe and now to the latest tactical tupperware and MSRs. Few people want to shell out $1200 for a 90 year old design especially when the gun's of dubious quality and not made to proper standards. Those who have a good one still love the gun. You just can't buy surplus Israeli or Korean ammo for .22LR prices anymore. ☹
Soft points have made it that way a awhile a famous cop said he got more one stop shots with a 30 carbine running soft points then using a 12 gauge buckshot
I've owned my Carbine for about 25 years now. I absolutely love, love, love shooting this weapon. I also own a AMT Automag in 30 cal. I carry both (shoulder holstered) when I go out and do some plinking.
My AMT in .30 caliber is a heavy piece ov hardware hanging under my arm. I carry it open in a nice leather waist holster sometimes. You get a lot of interesting conversations at kroger.
Really enjoyed this video. I don't know if the round is still in production, Winchester was only company I know for a fact produced it at one time, but the 110gr JSP (which also had what amounted to a pin prick "hollow point") was a nice medium size game getter for out to about 100 yards if the shooter did his/her part with very careful placement. This round fed like ball through several G.I. surplus M-1 carbines I owned from the mid 1970s through late 1990s-early 2000s. I was stunned at the penetration and expansion as I wasn't expecting much out of the round as I purchased a box or two just for grins and chuckles and ended up occasionally carrying it in my patrol car as a "patrol carbine" when certain high risk situations presented themselves and a carbine was a better choice than a shotgun and since my small town Police Department could not afford more modern "black rifles" or even Ruger Mini-14s.
Nice. Definitely a performance upgrade. I love the 30 carbine, and i know the old style hollow soft points perform well. I hear the Cor-bon DPX is a very good load also, but i haven't seen any testing on it. In 1999, i did LE qual shoots with my 1943 Inland carbine and a Mini 14. The distances were 50 yards and closer. My overall group size with the 56 year old carbine was noticeably tighter than with the mini. The carbines were authorized, but i never actually carried it. That was only because the agency horse traded for a couple more Minis, so there were enough to go around, and they wanted to standardize to 223. The carbine will do everything that needs doing out to 150 yards or more, and 200+ with practice
M1 Carbine was for gun crews and lieutenants and above. My brother-in-law loved his M2s in Viet Nam. He had a full M2 carbine that he carried and a cut down stock and barrel on another M2 that was carried on his thigh (ala Josh Randall, "Wanted Dead or Alive"). He carried more than 1,000 rounds (maybe 1,800) and almost half of that was loaded in 30 round magazines. The load in his carbine was a 30 round magazine full of tracers. He liked having that to be able to return fire while he was taking cover.
Damn good presentation as always. I remember talking to old French soldiers that used the M1 Carbine in the jungles of Vietnam and during jungle ranges the ball ammo was devastating with outrageous wounds on the enemy.
Always love seeing the M1 Carbine getting the love it deserves. Highly underrated. Hornady also makes a hollowpoint defensive round that is pretty gnarly too. Great option for a truck gun or property defense. Only problem is ammo is a little on the high side.
Love the 30 carbine. When I was a kid in the 60s our dads used to bring out their weapons they had brought home One of my friends dad was marine would always bring at least 500 rounds with him and let us burn it up in his 30 carbine
Rus ridge You older guys always had a awesome childhood. Now if my father wants us to shoot we have to spend 3 hours in a car so we can get to a mountain range
A similar story. One day when i was out at the range with my dad shooting the lee enfield, we were walking back and I heard a familiar sound i turned my head and saw an old ww2 vet shooting an m1 carbine. I stood and watched in aww. He saw that he caught my attention and asked if I wanted to shoot it. Who wouldn't! He showed me how to use it, and also told me that he carried them (there were 2) all through the war. After i shouldered it and looked through the sights, i recognized this. After the first shot, i fell in love. I later found one a year or two later for 600 dollars. The rest of that year, i saved up and bought it. I still have it to this day, and still love it.
Yeah my dad brought his home from Saipan he was a Marine but when he met and married my mother and start having us kids she made him sell it for a bookcase in return darn it
When i was out at the range with my dad shooting the lee enfield, we were walking back and I heard a familiar sound i turned my head and saw an old ww2 vet shooting an m1 carbine. I stood and watched in aww. He saw that he caught my attention and asked if I wanted to shoot it. Who wouldn't! He showed me how to use it, and also told me that he carried them (there were 2) all through the war. After i shouldered it and looked through the sights, i recognized this. After the first shot, i fell in love. I later found one a year or two later for 600 dollars. The rest of that year, i saved up and bought it. I still have it to this day, and still love it.
Eric, most military ammo up to the mid 1980's had a layer of steel under the copper jacket. Naturally, you can test it with a magnet. Commercial ammo doesn't have steel and is generally doesn't penetrate as well as old US GI ammo. I was a US Army Marksmanship officer and weapons trainer from 1967 to 1992.
A couple of guys have mentioned that the story of the carbine round being weak was the poor performance in very cold weather at the Chosin Reservoir in the Korean War. It would be nice to have a test of how extreme temperatures would affect both the ammo and the gun. I don't know of anyone who did such a test, so it would be very informative and would settle whether or not this was a valid claim. It would be difficult to do such a test, but maybe you could use a container with dry ice and an IR temperature probe.
Was reading something on the M1 back a couple years ago in an NRA publication right about the time that Inland was advertising bringing the old carbine back. It was remarked that the M1 carbine produces more muzzle energy at a hundred yards than the .357 does at the muzzle. One of the most effective combat arms ever made! Anyone can master it with the modicum of practice.
Thank you Thank you for putting this TH-cam up. When I was hog hunting in SC. Guys were joshing at me and my M-1 with the cavitator bullets. I also added a flash hider. That quieted the noise and hid the flash at night. I also carried the cavitator bullets in my revolver 32H&R magnum. All in all it was a Grrrreat combination 👍
Please do an Underwood 9mm vs 357 Sig video. Really curious about the super light/fast 357 offerings and cannot find tests done anywhere. Comparing to +p and +p+ 9mm loads of the same bullet type would also be interesting.
I found a single round of US Govt issue frangible ammo in 30-06 for use in the M-1 Garand. if you could get your hands on some, that would be an interesting video on what a frangible round does on met and ballistic gel.
Great video as always. Especially timely for me since I just bought an m1 carbine from auto ordinance and have been loving it. I've been watching videos and reading everything I could about and have loved the history of the rifle for years. So I was especially interested in this video about it and some of its qualities and uses. It's been especially capable on the battlefield, especially within a few hundred yards, and use across several wars so its bona-fides have been established and I know it's a favorite amongst a community of shooters who have loved it as a capable, light multipurpose gun one that is not rare but uncommon. Out west used by some friends its been used to take white tail size game within 200+ yards so I know it's very effective on targets, man or game alike. A very cool gun.
The myth about the coats comes specifically from the Chosin. The thing nobody takes into account is that temps were so low during that battle that powder was not burning properly - artillery was falling well short, and even troops with the Garand were having shots fall short of their targets. It was a mountain fight, so the Carbine was already ill-suited, but you add in significantly reduced muzzle velocity from the insanely low temperatures, and it's not surprising about the reports of bad effectiveness. The Chinese were also fanatical on their charges. Even Garands were failing to make reliable stops. It had nothing to do with the Chinese wearing heavy coats, and a lot more to do with environmental conditions.
Good summary. Since the Korean peninsula is so mountainous, ranges often opened up pretty quickly across valleys and other terrain obstacles. The M-1/2 Carbine is an excellent weapon whose design and cartridge were made specifically for close to close-medium range combat, 0-300 yards or so -which is why the rear sight ramp is only graduated out to 300. A lot of GIs carrying them forget that the M-1/2 was designed to replace not the M-1 Garand, but the M1911 pistol in .45ACP. The carbine isn't going to hit as hard as a 30-06 Garand, especially at ranges outside its design envelope. Ball ammo was a factor, too. Military issue FMJ isn't optimal for anti-personnel use, but due to treaty considerations (Geneva and Hague Conventions), that's all that our men could use. You spoke of the cold being a factor - and it absolutely was. The myth of the thick Chinese clothing has persisted for years, but another factor may be in play. Some NK and Chi-Com soldiers bound themselves with strips of cloth tightly wound around their abdomen and extremities, an old trick they had learned from the Japanese in WWII. Thus bound, they felt pain less and bled less, at least that was the idea. Maybe they doped themselves up with drugs or alcohol - they wouldn't be the first to do it by any means.... the Moros did it in the Philippines during the 1898-1901 war, for example. Finally, even a man -a soldier - who has sustained a wound which will eventually be fatal can often fight on for a period of time, minutes or even hours before becoming combat-ineffective and perishing. Your combat medics and surgeons know this, and so do good cops ad infantrymen with a lot of trigger time in gun battles. The M-1/2 Carbine did what it was designed to do - and remains an effective and underrated weapon even now.
First gun I ever bought, under 200 bucks! 43 Inland, flat top, two rivet! Brand new Wolff spring kit. Only one problem with this rifle, if my wife’s with me I never get to shoot it, I’m the mag re loader! She is not a gun person but she loves the carbine!
Four Guys videos has this .30 carbine being tested, and the .32 ACP being shout out of a Beretta Tomcat and the results are spectacular. Made me want to buy one and load with with the Cavitator ammo.
Ben M I have a Tomcat and can confirm extreme cavitators work fine with two caveats. I got my first failure to feed at 100rds. After I cleaned it I put 100 more through it and it failed to feed again at the 100rd mark. I'm guessing the gun being dirty is the culprit. Also, if they're the 1st bullet in the mag it can be hard to feed it manually so I just make the first round ball.
Same here, but just a matter of keeping the pistol clean especially the feed ramp which can always use a quick polish job will avoid it. I also used them on a CZ70 pistol with a polish job and it too will feed any viable defensive round.
A very impressive load decades later and the next Gen of the 30 is straight up devastating to the target. I have shot Lehigh/underwood 9mm and their loads are truly outrageous. I have also seen underwood 380 be shockingly impressive in gel to the point where it is sufficient for edc. In hindsight I wish I had filmed them.
A few years ago I had an M-2 with M-1 trigger group. I loved that little rifle. I taught both y son and daughter to shoot with it when they both was five years old. When I was trucking my wife kept it by the bed when I was gone for weeks at a time. I wish had not sold it but I needed the money.
There's "a lot" of them out there? Would "a lot" of them include any for less than $1,200? If I could buy one for a similar price I paid for my garand ($730 a year ago), I'd be all over it.
I'm with you, I care little for collector value and I think the prices on a lot of milsurps are downright ridiculous. "It's all numbers matching!" And how does that make it shoot better for me?..."These are hard to find!" Apparently not because I just found one..."This one was made by XXX and XXX only made ### of them!" So they were the least experienced manufacturer? And again how does that make it shoot better? Collector is just a nice term for Hoarder, and hoarding is a mental disorder, which is the only reason I can think of for paying $1000+ for a milsurp anything. /end opinion
spyderxtra777 unfortunately for guys like you and I, collectors drive the market for these milsurps. It's supply and demand. The more rare pieces, combined with the condition, constitute what the market will demand by way of prices. It's the same way if you're into coin collecting. There are Lincoln pennies that can fetch more than a thousand dollars. Washington quarters too. Etc. sucks for guys like us, but it's never gonna change. We have to keep our eyes open for the occasional bargain or the the guy who doesn't know what he's selling if we're gonna buy something like this for cheap.
Private party? If so, that's pretty much the other side of the country for me (Florida). I religiously follow slickguns, and I have yet to see any online deals on m1 carbines.
Great video! My brother and I shot 3" and 4" groups with a surplus carbine and military ball ammo at 100 yards. A retired WW2 Army colonel refused to believe it, said we must have had a special carbine.
I got shot in a bar fight when I was 19 years stupid, many many years ago. Got shot from about 15 feet away. Hit my upper arm, bout half way between shoulder and elbow. Shattered my bone, destroyed a lot of tissue from my elbow to my shoulder. I'm blessed to be alive. Very destructive round...
Tactical Cats I know, I just wish he would come back. He has some of the best ballistics tests imho. Not to say iv8888 doesn't, I love this video and will defiantly be on the lookout for this ammo for my M1.
When he talked about a guy attacking you wearing ten wool coats, all I could think of was the little brother wearing all the damn winter gear from A Christmas Story freaking out XD
TheTherumble32 .... I guess if the screw was right thread you could shoot the screw and see if would spin and thread into a wood target- as barrel is RH twist / but with its 1/10" spin will take a while to seat screw into wood.. Let us know how it works out. (LMAO) ALL BLACK RIFLES MATTER
I'd love to see you do a gel test with some of the 327 Magnum loads like the standard 100 grn Federal AE and the Speer Gold Dot. The 327 is gaining in popularity thanks to Ruger and is one of my favorite revolver chamberings.
It was the Korean War that most of stories about how underpowered the M1 Carbine was in action. The extreme cold had an effect on all small arms and their ammunition. All weapons had to be striped clean of any oil. The cold sapped the power off cartridges. The 30 carbine would fire but at a lower velocity. Short range it was good enough to drop the enemy. Longer shots were sometimes stopped by the quilted coats worn by Chinese and North Korean soldiers.
In 1964 in upstate NY, on my first Whitetail deer hunt, I got my buck on the first morning and found myself sitting in camp for the rest of the week. I could go out and hunt bear, and on one day I got to use our "antlerless" permit, which was shared between 4 hunters. So I sat in my spot for several hours and wandered in to camp for lunch, and then decided I just didn't feel like going out in the afternoon. I had gotten teased for bringing along my grandfather's WWII carbine; "What are you going to shoot with that popgun?" and similar comments. That afternoon I got bored hanging around camp, so I went out and wandered along a couple of fire lanes in the woods, carrying my "popgun" and suddenly a doe stepped out of the woods about 100 feet in front of me, and I pulled up the carbine and fired. The doe just kind of stood there and stared at me, so I was pretty sure I had missed, so I took another shot, and then another, and then she fell down. The first shot had pretty much gone right through her, and through the heart, and she would have gone down eventually, and the next two shots were both lung shots. It was the last time I got teased about my "popgun."
What a fun compact rifle. You should mention that this would be the perfect home defense rifle. Very effective at short distances as all shots would be indoors or to your front yard. It's short, light and has a soft kick. Even for a dense woods gun for hunting it would be fine (50 yd shots). And for plinking or training new shooters it would be perfect. I like it as a defense gun similar to a lever 44 in length but probably lighter.
I'm curious as to the expansion of commercial ammo, soft and Hollow point in the Carbine, just wondering if you had that in the works. My Dad bought an M-1 Carbine from the Division of Civilian Marksmanship when I was a boy for $20, and it was given to me along with a 1911 that cost $10 from DCM.
Always great videos from Eric and the team. Fun to watch and lots to learn. I’ve been watching you guys for a while and you never disappoint. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Wildrose Country, Alberta!
Jon Bradfield um 357 performs better in a rifle at this range sorry a 30 carbine is obsolete get a 44 mag or 357 even a 500 sw. 30 carbine is good for a close range 50yrds and that's about it.
I've been cavitating my wife for over 30yrs ,and she never seems to have suffered unduly from the experience, in fact she's encouraged me to repeat the process. But unfortunately I've only ever managed this on a reduced load that has not satisfied her ,and i allways have to bring in home loader big John ,my neighbour to finish the the job.what am I doing wrong ??? PS. Am I choosing the wrong calibre.
I'm with you. I think the platform is greatly underrated. I just remember that in the movie, The Thing from Another World, an M2 was wielded against James Arness as the Thing trying to come through that back door. The guy carrying it is Dewey Martin whose character is just listed as Bob. What a scene.
8:34 the complaints were during the extreme korean cold winters . put the gun and a loaded mag in a deep freezer at -20 over night and see what happens. and the cold weather could very well make the wool more dense and there was frozen water in the outer layers of the wool. that could as well slow down the round
Good bullet for tightening Canadian deck screws. They'll need more of a Phillips designed one for the USA. Up here we'd like some of those first gen Robertson looking ones.
+Gihren Zabi, blueprints are nice but here in the USA unless you are a Class 3- SOT 7 manufacturer, one can only dream about it. Possession of the plans, an M1 Carbine and just one of the full auto parts and depending on the agent you have a run in with, you could wind up a guest of Uncle Sam at his Club Fed resort for 10-20 years plus a $25K fine to boot. One can thank the Democrats and their anti gun agenda. Up until early 1986 one could manufacture an M2 legally after you filed your paperwork and $200 to the BATFEy. When they approved you, they would send your form with a tax stamp saying you can build it. But that is only in ones dreams today.......
Subgunman just get a NFA trust get all the goodies my man people make it sound harder then it really is takes about 3 hours of paperwork and a signature. Then you can build or buy fully auto weapons, sbs's and sbr's
I'm heading to Hutto, Texas in a couple of months to visit my daughter and do some hog hunting, and after seeing the video i decided I'd pick up a box to use on the hogs; if it doesn't perform to my satisfaction on the the boars or sows I will use it to knock down the piglets and when I get back will post something to let whoever is interested know just how well it does perform.
My dad carried an M2 during his time in the south pacific. He loved the carbines. He talked about his fondness of the carbines often. I won a Ruger M77 308 heavy barrel at one of the Atlanta gun shows years ago. A dealer there had a table full of really nice .30 carbines. My dad got on his carbine kick that following week. The next weekend I found the dealer at another show and he did a gun for gun trade for a very nice carbine. On my Dad's Birthday I presented him with the carbine dressed up with a period correct sling and stock mag pouch, 3 mag's and a WWII Vet cap. Man, you talk about one happy dude! He was on cloud 9 for quite some time. I still and will have that carbine until I check out of here.
Im from Atlanta too. Thanks for sharing this bro these stories are my favorite comments
Dad was in the Signal Corp and carries an MI and a 45 during the entire European champaign.
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@@michaelhopkins4296 My first year in the Army (reserves) i was in the Signal Corp stationed
at Marine Camp Pendleton. Dont run into that many for thumbs up. When i went active i was
a 20MM Vulcan Gunner, quite a big difference from Communications.
My carbine came back from Korea with an uncle of mine. It has been my go-to, down behind the seat of the Jeep gun for fifty years. Never had a single problem, no matter what ammo I used. I've shot everything from squirrels and rabbits up to coyotes and a couple of small deer. Plus about a million rattlesnakes and feral pigs. The one gun I've ever had that isn't, and never will be, for sale. Hope to pass it on to a great grandson one of these days.
I really liked to read the story of your M1 :D
My grandpa has one from Vietnam but when he mailed it back, the stock got busted. I really wanna fix it up for him
I look out for your jeep unattended for a free M1
MrLamigra1337 you can find a stock for on line. They aren't that expensive.
That's always smart, keep an heirloom, an expensive irreplaceable firearm at that, in a car you can disassemble from the outside. Great thinking...
Years ago I spoke to an islander from Borneo, We left so many M1 carbines over there after WW2 they hunt wild pigs with them, They LOVE them.
Of Course.
I love my M1 Carbine, it was my grandfathers during WWII and now I got it. Rifle will not be leaving my hands anytime soon.
I can remember the Dutch Security guys at Schiapol Airpot still using original WWII version standard issue during the eighties. Sometimes I wish that Ruger would remake the 10/22 into a 10/30 version at the same size... Useful size and as you say the cartridge can be updated. Pete.
Sorry, I meant to add that even large temporary cavitation induces tremendous “shock” into a red blooded animals system - often enough to provide instant knockdown. P.
That would be awesome!
I think theres a conversion kit for a 10/22 to a m1 carbine. Its not. 30 cal, but still
Jesse Gillmore someone making a M1 carbine that shoots 22lr. The M1 reminds me of the Ruger 10/22. Both are light with very little recoil.
ptrisonic The mall security staff around here in 🇲🇽 still using it!!
The first time I fired an m1 carbine I loved it. Almost no recoil from a round that packs a nice punch. Very accurate and consistent. Only crappy side at the time .30 cal was very very pricey
You guys should do a how far will a .30 carbine kill. It's would be very interesting to see how the ballistics would look like at longer distance.
I agree this would be a great video! So often you hear about the 30 carbine not being adequate past 100 yards and id like to see that theory tested. I bet its wrong like most crap people spread about guns.
Jacob Ryan
it is so pointless...
go and look at J.Miculek's channel where he hits a steel target at 1000yards witn 9mm. .30 carbine will kill you at that distance no problem since the 9mm will. What is the point of making a video about it?
Simon Sady - I've seen that video it was cool to see him pull off that shot. I think it would be an interesting video in general and see how well the little m1 carbine could shoot at that distance with the xtreme cavitator.
Jacob Ryan
well, I am not an expert but since it's a pretty light bullet it could be a bit of a problem to reach out and touch something at 600yrd with iron sights, especially in windy conditions since it isn't as fast as let's say 77gr. 556 out ou 20" barrel
It would be pretty entertaining video...if that's what you are after?
That'd be a perfect video. Makes me think back to WW2 and Korea to a greater extent given that engagements were often at long distances up in the mountains. I have heard so many times about the .30 carbine not penetrating the thick jackets of Chinese soldiers.
REALLY brilliant video Eric!!! I really enjoy watching the M1 carbine in action. Its my favourite amongst all of the WWII carbines, easy to handle, ergonomic and quick to point. Lethal to 100 yards and acceptable iron sight accuracy to 300 yards. I know it will kill out to 400 yards with just enough residual power left in the round. But as Eric pointed out, thick coats and jackets could take what was left of the punching power out of the bullet head at distance. I still totally love these old carbines.
Reverse ogive projectiles were experimented with as far back as the late 1970s. They exploit hydrostatic shock very efficiently. .30 Carbine is an ideal cartridge for this design as it creates adequate velocity with a useful projectile weight. Also, the .30 Carbine rifle is an American icon, a real classic. Like a 57 Chevy in gun form.
Truly GREAT American 🇺🇸 comment right there!
Around here, the 30 carbine is my beloved. I made a carry case on each tractor of mine and a leg holster for my 30 carbine enforcer pistols. Deer, no problems around here. Coyotes; no problem, they sit outside of 22LR range. Ferral hogs.... Big fun! Depending on size is where you judge s headshot or sideshot.
Take care from Oklahoma
Mike and Vee
Hint: You can trim ,223 or the latter 5.56 to make 30 carbine brass.
Take care from Oklahoma
Mike and Vee
I love my .30 carbine, this might be a good one
Absolutely love this video, my grandfather left me his m1 when he passed and my favorite memory of him taking me shooting was when he pulled it out and explained the history behind it. Completely fascinated me, but after was handed down to me all I ever heard was how soft and unreliable it is, so seeing the rumors disproven surely you could imagine how glad I am. Most certainly should do more videos like these!
I am very sorry about your grandfather, my uncle recently passed away and I was given his carbine and holy hell it's my favorite firearm now. I started casting bullets for it, it's such a light handy little gun, and an absolute hammer.
Anyone that talks shit about a 30 carbine being week invite them to stand in front of it
My grandfather was a tank driver in WWII. They were issued M1 carbines due to the lack of space inside of tanks. I inherited his little M1 carbine. It's definitely an interesting little firearm.
Before the Blackout became a big deal, we converted a .222 Remington 722 into a .30 Carbine with a 1-18 twist Pac-Nor 28" bull barrel for a customer. It shot insanely well, even with junk off-the-shelf ammo. I think everyone always assumes the caliber was a turd because of the rifle it came in. In a good gun, it's a performer.
In 1950. My dad shot a pot-full of North Koreans with his M1 Carbine, mostly around the Naktong River outside Seoul (Seoul Perimiter) & he said it killed them pretty well back then,
My great grandfather said his killed zips great. He wouldn't have wanted any other rifle, from the time.
How many N. Koreans in a pot full Bro ? LOL My Dad was a Korea Vet.POW for 3 plus years. He would tell me they would attack amped up on opium and be virtually impervious. They would just keep coming. BAR 06.
By the by, The Nakdong River is nowhere near Seoul. It is in the southeast of Korea near the city of Daegu. There was no “Seoul Perimeter”. It was the Pusan Perimeter, and the Nakdong River was part of the Pusan Perimeter. I am a retired Army guy and live there. Just a heads up...
@@KevinPaulBell well thats settled then
My Dad fought in Korea as well, with the US Army 40th Infantry. He said the M2 Carbine -- the select-fire version -- was his favorite weapon there.
The 110 grain ball round easily shoots through a telephone pole. It came as a real shock to me. I had stapled a paper target to the utility pole not expecting the bullets to go through. I even stapled a target to the opposite side of the pole to confirm that the bullets were actually passing through the pole.
The .30 carbine was introduced into a world of cartridges like .30-06 M2 Ball and the opposing 8x57 Mauser 198gr sS-round so it must have felt underpowered and short on it's legs in that company. But over 700ft.lbs dumping it's energy in an instant makes a nasty hole into anything that walks or crawls inside 100yd/m combat distance. Thanks for the video, keep showing these oldies in action in the future as well!
Iraq veteran I have the up most respect for thank you so much for your service. People like you are are the reason why we can have our freedom. I enjoy your channel your videos are very informative &'I learn a lot from them. Thank you agin for the videos & most importantly Thank You for your sacrifice for this country.
Another classic; I love the M1 Carbine. As you stated, its a small, light, short and handy platform. Underwood is really giving this gun new legs. I enjoyed MAC's video some months ago with the .30 Carbine and .32 Underwood ammo test; but you guys did a good job putting the 8888 spin on it. Thanks!
Thanks for doing this video. I have both the carbine, and a pistol that shoot this round. Anyone who has any doubts about it's penetration or leathality has done no actual research on the round. It punches holes in stuff that stops other rounds dead. With soft point ammo, or higher performance bullets, it really does come into the relm of a useful hunting round for lighter game.
Out of an Automag III it makes .357 magnum look like .38 Special. It looses some get-up-n-go with the cylinder gap in revolvers like the Ruger Blackhawk and Jager Dakota but it still has a lot of pep behind it. Hopefully you don't have a Kimball, though, as they're known to disassemble themselves.
@@nickaschenbecker9882 AMT III for the pistol.
Education level is improving on the subject of bullet dynamics and he is selling that firearm better than the manufacturers. Big ups to you good sir.
This bullet makes the 30 carbine a respectable cartridge again. Really maximizes the usefulness of the 30 carbine. Great video too!
30 carbine really is an all around cartridge. If it were more common I'd take it in a shtf situation. It's kind of the medium between 223 and 308. Not moving as fast as 223 but it will take deer and even elk with proper placement. I'd go on to say that most hunting takes place 100 yards or closer. The 30 carbine is the perfect woods gun and your kids and wife can carry this and shoot it no problem and the action is so simple, rugged, and reliable it's hard for me to compare newer rifle designs to these battle proven models
It always was respectable and does precisely what it was designed to do. It's just that all the cheap milsurp guns and ammo dried up and people moved on-mainly to cheap Cold War surplus from Eastern Europe and now to the latest tactical tupperware and MSRs. Few people want to shell out $1200 for a 90 year old design especially when the gun's of dubious quality and not made to proper standards. Those who have a good one still love the gun. You just can't buy surplus Israeli or Korean ammo for .22LR prices anymore. ☹
Soft points have made it that way a awhile a famous cop said he got more one stop shots with a 30 carbine running soft points then using a 12 gauge buckshot
I've owned my Carbine for about 25 years now.
I absolutely love, love, love shooting this weapon.
I also own a AMT Automag in 30 cal. I carry both (shoulder holstered) when I go out and do some plinking.
My AMT in .30 caliber is a heavy piece ov hardware hanging under my arm. I carry it open in a nice leather waist holster sometimes. You get a lot of interesting conversations at kroger.
@terryhsley3808, I bet 👀
Really enjoyed this video. I don't know if the round is still in production, Winchester was only company I know for a fact produced it at one time, but the 110gr JSP (which also had what amounted to a pin prick "hollow point") was a nice medium size game getter for out to about 100 yards if the shooter did his/her part with very careful placement. This round fed like ball through several G.I. surplus M-1 carbines I owned from the mid 1970s through late 1990s-early 2000s. I was stunned at the penetration and expansion as I wasn't expecting much out of the round as I purchased a box or two just for grins and chuckles and ended up occasionally carrying it in my patrol car as a "patrol carbine" when certain high risk situations presented themselves and a carbine was a better choice than a shotgun and since my small town Police Department could not afford more modern "black rifles" or even Ruger Mini-14s.
The police sure could used a m1 carbine when those crazy vets did their shootouts (both Miami-- and the LA shoot outs).
Back in winter during a night hunt, I took a 250lb Sow with my M1 Carbine. Dumped er in one shot, the M1 is absolutely no joke.
Nice. Definitely a performance upgrade. I love the 30 carbine, and i know the old style hollow soft points perform well. I hear the Cor-bon DPX is a very good load also, but i haven't seen any testing on it. In 1999, i did LE qual shoots with my 1943 Inland carbine and a Mini 14. The distances were 50 yards and closer. My overall group size with the 56 year old carbine was noticeably tighter than with the mini. The carbines were authorized, but i never actually carried it. That was only because the agency horse traded for a couple more Minis, so there were enough to go around, and they wanted to standardize to 223. The carbine will do everything that needs doing out to 150 yards or more, and 200+ with practice
As far as you could shoot
I love these videos.
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TheGunCollective I love Underwood
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Is this John or adam? Lol
Steven Johnson its john adams
M1 Carbine was for gun crews and lieutenants and above.
My brother-in-law loved his M2s in Viet Nam. He had a full M2 carbine that he carried and a cut down stock and barrel on another M2 that was carried on his thigh (ala Josh Randall, "Wanted Dead or Alive"). He carried more than 1,000 rounds (maybe 1,800) and almost half of that was loaded in 30 round magazines. The load in his carbine was a 30 round magazine full of tracers. He liked having that to be able to return fire while he was taking cover.
Damn good presentation as always. I remember talking to old French soldiers that used the M1 Carbine in the jungles of Vietnam and during jungle ranges the ball ammo was devastating with outrageous wounds on the enemy.
Great video! I'm a big M1 Carbine fan, and it's great to see a new round for the .30 Carbine.
Always love seeing the M1 Carbine getting the love it deserves. Highly underrated. Hornady also makes a hollowpoint defensive round that is pretty gnarly too. Great option for a truck gun or property defense. Only problem is ammo is a little on the high side.
Love the 30 carbine. When I was a kid in the 60s our dads used to bring out their weapons they had brought home
One of my friends dad was marine would always bring at least 500 rounds with him and let us burn it up in his 30 carbine
Rus ridge You older guys always had a awesome childhood. Now if my father wants us to shoot we have to spend 3 hours in a car so we can get to a mountain range
A similar story. One day when i was out at the range with my dad shooting the lee enfield, we were walking back and I heard a familiar sound i turned my head and saw an old ww2 vet shooting an m1 carbine. I stood and watched in aww. He saw that he caught my attention and asked if I wanted to shoot it. Who wouldn't! He showed me how to use it, and also told me that he carried them (there were 2) all through the war. After i shouldered it and looked through the sights, i recognized this. After the first shot, i fell in love. I later found one a year or two later for 600 dollars. The rest of that year, i saved up and bought it. I still have it to this day, and still love it.
Yeah my dad brought his home from Saipan he was a Marine but when he met and married my mother and start having us kids she made him sell it for a bookcase in return darn it
Sounds like you had a hell of a fun childhood
When i was out at the range with my dad shooting the lee enfield, we were walking back and I heard a familiar sound i turned my head and saw an old ww2 vet shooting an m1 carbine. I stood and watched in aww. He saw that he caught my attention and asked if I wanted to shoot it. Who wouldn't! He showed me how to use it, and also told me that he carried them (there were 2) all through the war. After i shouldered it and looked through the sights, i recognized this. After the first shot, i fell in love. I later found one a year or two later for 600 dollars. The rest of that year, i saved up and bought it. I still have it to this day, and still love it.
Gotta love the 30 Carbine. Light recoil. Good velocity. Good penetration. Decent stopping power. 15 round box magazines on-tap. You can't go wrong.
Chris right licensing and a stack of cash and it could be made automatic.
Guess you're unaware of the M2 Carbine...
Eric, most military ammo up to the mid 1980's had a layer of steel under the copper jacket. Naturally, you can test it with a magnet. Commercial ammo doesn't have steel and is generally doesn't penetrate as well as old US GI ammo. I was a US Army Marksmanship officer and weapons trainer from 1967 to 1992.
A couple of guys have mentioned that the story of the carbine round being weak was the poor performance in very cold weather at the Chosin Reservoir in the Korean War. It would be nice to have a test of how extreme temperatures would affect both the ammo and the gun. I don't know of anyone who did such a test, so it would be very informative and would settle whether or not this was a valid claim.
It would be difficult to do such a test, but maybe you could use a container with dry ice and an IR temperature probe.
I have an Xtreme Cavitator in my Underwood.
Dean Nguyen .22 caliber
Han Swolo *22 CB cap
.17 hmr... Tiny, but fast and shoots a hot load.
22 short
Lmao
Was reading something on the M1 back a couple years ago in an NRA publication right about the time that Inland was advertising bringing the old carbine back. It was remarked that the M1 carbine produces more muzzle energy at a hundred yards than the .357 does at the muzzle. One of the most effective combat arms ever made! Anyone can master it with the modicum of practice.
That cavitator surprised me with the amount of damage it did.
Thank you Thank you for putting this TH-cam up. When I was hog hunting in SC. Guys were joshing at me and my M-1 with the cavitator bullets. I also added a flash hider. That quieted the noise and hid the flash at night. I also carried the cavitator bullets in my revolver 32H&R magnum.
All in all it was a Grrrreat combination 👍
An excellent video! I've always loved the 30 Carbine, it's a wonderful carry gun, super light, and effective.
This format and length work well for watching on the go/cellphone. Cuts through the extra talking, loud intro music. Thanks.
Please do an Underwood 9mm vs 357 Sig video. Really curious about the super light/fast 357 offerings and cannot find tests done anywhere. Comparing to +p and +p+ 9mm loads of the same bullet type would also be interesting.
Warterdesmanne agree
Warterdesmanne
agree
MAC did comparison of 9mm +p and +p+ Underwood Xtreme Penetrator in gel test.
lechupb1 mainly taking about comparing 357 Sig to the +p & +p+ but thank you I'll still check that out.
.357 sig is the ultimate caliber IMO
Awesome video. I love the m1 carbine it's so much fun to shoot and feels like history in your hands
I found a single round of US Govt issue frangible ammo in 30-06 for use in the M-1 Garand. if you could get your hands on some, that would be an interesting video on what a frangible round does on met and ballistic gel.
love me some gratuitous nastiness!
Love your vids!
Bob fetters
Great video as always. Especially timely for me since I just bought an m1 carbine from auto ordinance and have been loving it. I've been watching videos and reading everything I could about and have loved the history of the rifle for years. So I was especially interested in this video about it and some of its qualities and uses. It's been especially capable on the battlefield, especially within a few hundred yards, and use across several wars so its bona-fides have been established and I know it's a favorite amongst a community of shooters who have loved it as a capable, light multipurpose gun one that is not rare but uncommon. Out west used by some friends its been used to take white tail size game within 200+ yards so I know it's very effective on targets, man or game alike. A very cool gun.
Best channel on TH-cam
geissler35 I agree, right up there with Hickok45.
That .30 carbine is really a 7.62 before they were such a big thing.. the casing dimensions are different but same projectile
The myth about the coats comes specifically from the Chosin. The thing nobody takes into account is that temps were so low during that battle that powder was not burning properly - artillery was falling well short, and even troops with the Garand were having shots fall short of their targets. It was a mountain fight, so the Carbine was already ill-suited, but you add in significantly reduced muzzle velocity from the insanely low temperatures, and it's not surprising about the reports of bad effectiveness. The Chinese were also fanatical on their charges. Even Garands were failing to make reliable stops.
It had nothing to do with the Chinese wearing heavy coats, and a lot more to do with environmental conditions.
The battle of frozen chosin was in north Korea
Good summary. Since the Korean peninsula is so mountainous, ranges often opened up pretty quickly across valleys and other terrain obstacles. The M-1/2 Carbine is an excellent weapon whose design and cartridge were made specifically for close to close-medium range combat, 0-300 yards or so -which is why the rear sight ramp is only graduated out to 300. A lot of GIs carrying them forget that the M-1/2 was designed to replace not the M-1 Garand, but the M1911 pistol in .45ACP. The carbine isn't going to hit as hard as a 30-06 Garand, especially at ranges outside its design envelope. Ball ammo was a factor, too. Military issue FMJ isn't optimal for anti-personnel use, but due to treaty considerations (Geneva and Hague Conventions), that's all that our men could use. You spoke of the cold being a factor - and it absolutely was. The myth of the thick Chinese clothing has persisted for years, but another factor may be in play. Some NK and Chi-Com soldiers bound themselves with strips of cloth tightly wound around their abdomen and extremities, an old trick they had learned from the Japanese in WWII. Thus bound, they felt pain less and bled less, at least that was the idea. Maybe they doped themselves up with drugs or alcohol - they wouldn't be the first to do it by any means.... the Moros did it in the Philippines during the 1898-1901 war, for example. Finally, even a man -a soldier - who has sustained a wound which will eventually be fatal can often fight on for a period of time, minutes or even hours before becoming combat-ineffective and perishing. Your combat medics and surgeons know this, and so do good cops ad infantrymen with a lot of trigger time in gun battles. The M-1/2 Carbine did what it was designed to do - and remains an effective and underrated weapon even now.
@Baxter James yup. If the CHICOM didn't drop, it's because you didn't hit him....
@@GeorgiaBoy1961 thank you sir valued infro
@Baxter James Is the powder chemically improved now compared to what it was then, though? Does it burn better at a wider range of temperatures?
First gun I ever bought, under 200 bucks! 43 Inland, flat top, two rivet! Brand new Wolff spring kit. Only one problem with this rifle, if my wife’s with me I never get to shoot it, I’m the mag re loader! She is not a gun person but she loves the carbine!
This bullet turned the .32 auto into a viable option.
Jared Pearce Huh, now that is a video I would watch.
Four Guys videos has this .30 carbine being tested, and the .32 ACP being shout out of a Beretta Tomcat and the results are spectacular. Made me want to buy one and load with with the Cavitator ammo.
Ben M
M.A.C also did a video on that
Ben M I have a Tomcat and can confirm extreme cavitators work fine with two caveats. I got my first failure to feed at 100rds. After I cleaned it I put 100 more through it and it failed to feed again at the 100rd mark. I'm guessing the gun being dirty is the culprit. Also, if they're the 1st bullet in the mag it can be hard to feed it manually so I just make the first round ball.
Same here, but just a matter of keeping the pistol clean especially the feed ramp which can always use a quick polish job will avoid it. I also used them on a CZ70 pistol with a polish job and it too will feed any viable defensive round.
A very impressive load decades later and the next Gen of the 30 is straight up devastating to the target. I have shot Lehigh/underwood 9mm and their loads are truly outrageous. I have also seen underwood 380 be shockingly impressive in gel to the point where it is sufficient for edc. In hindsight I wish I had filmed them.
Fulton Armory makes NEW M1 Carbines, one with a nice picatinny rail that is on my wish list after a second AR...
A few years ago I had an M-2 with M-1 trigger group. I loved that little rifle. I taught both y son and daughter to shoot with it when they both was five years old. When I was trucking my wife kept it by the bed when I was gone for weeks at a time. I wish had not sold it but I needed the money.
There's "a lot" of them out there?
Would "a lot" of them include any for less than $1,200?
If I could buy one for a similar price I paid for my garand ($730 a year ago), I'd be all over it.
john hakami agreed
I'm with you, I care little for collector value and I think the prices on a lot of milsurps are downright ridiculous. "It's all numbers matching!" And how does that make it shoot better for me?..."These are hard to find!" Apparently not because I just found one..."This one was made by XXX and XXX only made ### of them!" So they were the least experienced manufacturer? And again how does that make it shoot better?
Collector is just a nice term for Hoarder, and hoarding is a mental disorder, which is the only reason I can think of for paying $1000+ for a milsurp anything.
/end opinion
john hakami exactly what I thought
spyderxtra777 unfortunately for guys like you and I, collectors drive the market for these milsurps. It's supply and demand. The more rare pieces, combined with the condition, constitute what the market will demand by way of prices. It's the same way if you're into coin collecting. There are Lincoln pennies that can fetch more than a thousand dollars. Washington quarters too. Etc. sucks for guys like us, but it's never gonna change. We have to keep our eyes open for the occasional bargain or the the guy who doesn't know what he's selling if we're gonna buy something like this for cheap.
Private party? If so, that's pretty much the other side of the country for me (Florida). I religiously follow slickguns, and I have yet to see any online deals on m1 carbines.
Great video! My brother and I shot 3" and 4" groups with a surplus carbine and military ball ammo at 100 yards. A retired WW2 Army colonel refused to believe it, said we must have had a special carbine.
Man he is a great shot!
Very cool. Yes, YES, keep testing different ammo in all sorts of guns. We love it. And the more unique targets the better.
7.62x25 Tokarev bullet?
Man the sound that weapon makes is orgasmic, loving that metallic click:)
I really want to see this M1 on long ranges and mythbusting !
That's super kewl! I would love to see this bullet design in other calibers!
The M1-carbine, "It's better than a pistol".
Considerably.
Much better than a pistol...like waaaay better. Not to mention better to handle.
I wish more handguns used this cartridge. It's very manageable in a handgun.
Hey Eric i would l like to see a .32acp video with the Underwood ammo for use in either a seacamp or berretia 32 or a Kel tec p32
Gerald Loeffers me too, it's not often that I see .32acp videos.
GunGuyTKD did you see this one just posted recently? th-cam.com/video/smP1h_bGFj4/w-d-xo.html
Justin Miller I did not. Thanks
I have never found the .30 extreme cavatator in my local gunshops.
I had a dream about IV8888 last night. We shot stuff.
In each others ass
o_0
shooting hand loads
Gay
I got shot in a bar fight when I was 19 years stupid, many many years ago. Got shot from about 15 feet away. Hit my upper arm, bout half way between shoulder and elbow. Shattered my bone, destroyed a lot of tissue from my elbow to my shoulder. I'm blessed to be alive. Very destructive round...
"I don't think this has ever been done" those are usually famous last words...right up there with "hold my beer, watch this"!
Or a 5 year Lance Corporal saying "check this s..t out." It always made my hair stand up, a little.
Great video Eric, and awesome shooting too! It's nice to see companies trying something new with older calibres.
TNoutdoors9 where are you?
He needs to come back!
Bert Shackleford agreed 100%
Bert Shackleford Arizona in the house yeaaah boy
Doja421 on hiatus. he mentioned it in the comments section of his last vid.
Tactical Cats I know, I just wish he would come back. He has some of the best ballistics tests imho. Not to say iv8888 doesn't, I love this video and will defiantly be on the lookout for this ammo for my M1.
When he talked about a guy attacking you wearing ten wool coats, all I could think of was the little brother wearing all the damn winter gear from A Christmas Story freaking out XD
can i also use these different underwood options as screwdrivers?
I want to believe.
TheTherumble32 .... I guess if the screw was right thread you could shoot the screw and see if would spin and thread into a wood target- as barrel is RH twist / but with its 1/10" spin will take a while to seat screw into wood.. Let us know how it works out. (LMAO)
ALL BLACK RIFLES MATTER
i was thinking how it looked like someone accidentally loaded a screwdriver bit into brass
No Retreat hahahahahahaha i wasnt thing like that but hey if it works
I'd love to see you do a gel test with some of the 327 Magnum loads like the standard 100 grn Federal AE and the Speer Gold Dot. The 327 is gaining in popularity thanks to Ruger and is one of my favorite revolver chamberings.
It was the Korean War that most of stories about how underpowered the M1 Carbine was in action. The extreme cold had an effect on all small arms and their ammunition. All weapons had to be striped clean of any oil. The cold sapped the power off cartridges. The 30 carbine would fire but at a lower velocity. Short range it was good enough to drop the enemy. Longer shots were sometimes stopped by the quilted coats worn by Chinese and North Korean soldiers.
That whole myth is about as annoying as the ping of the Garand alerting enemies myth.
Been a subscriber for years, and I love it when you do these type of videos.
"'Gratuitous nasty"; great turn of a phrase!
In 1964 in upstate NY, on my first Whitetail deer hunt, I got my buck on the first morning and found myself sitting in camp for the rest of the week. I could go out and hunt bear, and on one day I got to use our "antlerless" permit, which was shared between 4 hunters. So I sat in my spot for several hours and wandered in to camp for lunch, and then decided I just didn't feel like going out in the afternoon.
I had gotten teased for bringing along my grandfather's WWII carbine; "What are you going to shoot with that popgun?" and similar comments.
That afternoon I got bored hanging around camp, so I went out and wandered along a couple of fire lanes in the woods, carrying my "popgun" and suddenly a doe stepped out of the woods about 100 feet in front of me, and I pulled up the carbine and fired. The doe just kind of stood there and stared at me, so I was pretty sure I had missed, so I took another shot, and then another, and then she fell down. The first shot had pretty much gone right through her, and through the heart, and she would have gone down eventually, and the next two shots were both lung shots.
It was the last time I got teased about my "popgun."
If Ninjas tried to catch this bullet with they're teeth it will give them cavities 😑
yeah a pretty big one in the back of their head.
Valoro85 it's a joke. A cavity is both a rotted hole in your tooth or a bullet wound.
theshapeexists he wasn't talking about the joke but instead of the fact that the guy in the first place said "they're" instead of "their"
What? You didn't know ninjas catch bullets in they are teeth?
Gainey Gainey shut up
What a fun compact rifle. You should mention that this would be the perfect home defense rifle. Very effective at short distances as all shots would be indoors or to your front yard. It's short, light and has a soft kick. Even for a dense woods gun for hunting it would be fine (50 yd shots). And for plinking or training new shooters it would be perfect. I like it as a defense gun similar to a lever 44 in length but probably lighter.
"Oh, that looked diabolical" may be the TH-cam line of the year! I'm gonna try and make that fit in a couple of police reports...
"Gratuitous nasty" takes a close second...
"Rather...upsetting" maybe?
I'm curious as to the expansion of commercial ammo, soft and Hollow point in the Carbine, just wondering if you had that in the works. My Dad bought an M-1 Carbine from the Division of Civilian Marksmanship when I was a boy for $20, and it was given to me along with a 1911 that cost $10 from DCM.
Video idea " How far will a 30 carbine kill. " love the m-1 one of my favorite rifles
Always great videos from Eric and the team. Fun to watch and lots to learn. I’ve been watching you guys for a while and you never disappoint. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Wildrose Country, Alberta!
I wonder how this type of bullet would work in a tubular magazine
Wouldn't work, tip is too pointy. That would a safety hazard if they were pressed together end to end
Also, why hasn't anyone made a modern semi auto pistol for the .30 carbine?
How far will the .30 carbine kill. Please
Jon Bradfield um 357 performs better in a rifle at this range sorry a 30 carbine is obsolete get a 44 mag or 357 even a 500 sw. 30 carbine is good for a close range 50yrds and that's about it.
Oh and I do own one just so you know I've tested them
Your demonstration is the best I have seen so far . Well done .
mac 10 meltdown
Great fun, solid information. Can't wait to try the extreme cavitator in my own M1 Carbine. Thanks
I've been cavitating my wife for over 30yrs ,and she never seems to have suffered unduly from the experience, in fact she's encouraged me to repeat the process. But unfortunately I've only ever managed this on a reduced load that has not satisfied her ,and i allways have to bring in home loader
big John ,my neighbour to finish the the job.what am I doing wrong ???
PS. Am I choosing the wrong calibre.
No Retreat great reply!!!.
I'm with you. I think the platform is greatly underrated. I just remember that in the movie, The Thing from Another World, an M2 was wielded against James Arness as the Thing trying to come through that back door. The guy carrying it is Dewey Martin whose character is just listed as Bob. What a scene.
HOW FAR WILL A .30 CARBINE KILL? PLEASE GOOD SIR!?!?!?
Peter Connell awesome! thanks for the info
8:34 the complaints were during the extreme korean cold winters . put the gun and a loaded mag in a deep freezer at -20 over night and see what happens. and the cold weather could very well make the wool more dense and there was frozen water in the outer layers of the wool. that could as well slow down the round
Good bullet for tightening Canadian deck screws. They'll need more of a Phillips designed one for the USA. Up here we'd like some of those first gen Robertson looking ones.
I hate those frickin things. T25 all day.
It IS by definition, the first pdw.
corey merrill I would suggest that the first flintlock artillery carbine was the first PDW.
JonMacFhearghuis, mabie a rock or big stick was first PDW?
Veterans who used the M1 all liked the gun. Its job was short range protection for behind the line troops. This is my favorite rifle in my collection
arponto it's a great gun but it was definitely not loved by all veterans who used it.
Now lets run this test up one notch, anyone have full auto M2 carbine?
Subgunman M1 carbine meltdown !!
I have the blueprints to make an M1 into an M2.
+Gihren Zabi, blueprints are nice but here in the USA unless you are a Class 3- SOT 7 manufacturer, one can only dream about it. Possession of the plans, an M1 Carbine and just one of the full auto parts and depending on the agent you have a run in with, you could wind up a guest of Uncle Sam at his Club Fed resort for 10-20 years plus a $25K fine to boot. One can thank the Democrats and their anti gun agenda. Up until early 1986 one could manufacture an M2 legally after you filed your paperwork and $200 to the BATFEy. When they approved you, they would send your form with a tax stamp saying you can build it. But that is only in ones dreams today.......
Subgunman just get a NFA trust get all the goodies my man people make it sound harder then it really is takes about 3 hours of paperwork and a signature. Then you can build or buy fully auto weapons, sbs's and sbr's
Nick Steven How easy is it? Like what are negatives to it?
I'm heading to Hutto, Texas in a couple of months to visit my daughter and do some hog hunting, and after seeing the video i decided I'd pick up a box to use on the hogs; if it doesn't perform to my satisfaction on the the boars or sows I will use it to knock down the piglets and when I get back will post something to let whoever is interested know just how well it does perform.