Pressure Cleaning School Surface Cleaner Tips from Doug Rucker
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- Pressure Cleaning School SURFACE CLEANER TIPS is today's TWOSDAY TWO TIPS video. We provide insight into the Whisper Wash Ultra 16 inch surface cleaner. I use the 4 Gallon Per Minute Hurricane Pressure Washer with it but this video focuses mainly on the surface cleaner. I cover many challenges of a surface cleaning with a surface cleaner pressure washer like nozzle changes and best hose hook ups.
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I've used this sprayer several times now on brick pavers, a wood deck, patio, and a driveway. th-cam.com/users/postUgkx43QMbQqu67IZadu9ou8Sg1BdrunMRNqX It has performed as expected on all surfaces. For larger areas like the decks and patios, I think I will be looking into a surface cleaner attachment to speed up the job, or at least make it a little easier. Hose and sprayer connections are tool-less, tight, and quick. I used the yellow nozzle on the concrete/brick surfaces, and the pressure was adequate for cleaning those surfaces.I am disappointed that these units are still being shipped with a nozzle storage holder that allows them to vibrate out of the holder way too easily and become lost, but I don't want to knock off a star for that reason. The functional part of the washer works very well, so I would recommend this product.
I doubt a surface cleaner will work with that unit. du to the low GPM
Just starting out and am soooooo happy I found your page. I'm here in Conroe, Tx so not too far away. I will most definitely be visiting your store! Thanks for all your efforts Sir, it's appreciated!
Awesome look forward to meeting you soon.
Just started offering pressure washing through my business and there has def been a learning curve but your vids help a lot. Thank you!
Great to hear. Thanks and best of luck
Removing the handle…brilliant
Thank you, Doug Rucker, you rock.
Very welcome
Thank you for your instruction as always, Mr. Rucker!
Your very welcome
Brother Doug thank you for your work and time! May God bless you and the family in Jesus Christ name!
Really great info at 8:15 that I truly needed!
Doug, is supporting on the North Island of Japan as well! Thank you for you tools and advice !!
Awesome, thank you
Yes sir thank you so much for that good information. Your the best. My next job I’ll be removing my gun and adding my ball valve
Thanks Mike
Love the idear of eliminating the gun! Definitely going to give it a shot. Thank you Mr. Rucker for passing down your knowledge and expertise to us young guns, I’ve learned a ton from watching your videos.
Great. Glad it helped. Just don’t use w high pressure nozzles
This is the best video on a surface cleaner. This video is filled with great tips. Thank you
Thanks so glad it helps
Eliminating the gun is a great idea. I'm gonna try that.
Use Low pressure nozzles only....
I appreciate the time you've spent sharing this information.
Thanks Charlie and your very welcome.
Thanks for the tips Doug. To the point and easy to understand.
Thanks Jennifer your very welcome
Love your teaching style and professionalism. Thank you!
Thanks Alex....appreciate that
thank you sir. im just starting, all info is appreciated. thank you
Thanks I have a great online school at pressurecleaningschool.com if you are outside the Houston area. best of luck to you
Great content thanks for the info trying to learn before I jump in full bore
Very welcome.
Just straight facts. I like the tip about removing the gun
Thanks DJ, glad it helped...no gun is so much easier.
Another great video, now you have me removing the gun from my surface cleaner 😀
Thank you.
5gpm 18 inch surface cleaner, 25025h is what’s in it, last night did a bk and left some striping and I didn’t overlap what would be best. Also came with 25020 h but haven’t used them.
Try the next two up. 2503 & 25035. Sometime the striping is just unavoidable though
Thanks for throwing pieces of knowledge for us.
Very welcome. Thanks for watching
Great video
Nicely done, Doug. Thank you for the tips.
Your welcome...thanks for watching and commenting.
Awesome teacher, you make it simple to understand. Nice work.
Hi Doug,
Thanks for the tip on the surface cleaner.
Very Welcome Michael thanks for watching and commenting
Doug,
Another great video, thanks for all the tips & tricks.
Chris
Thanks Chris....
I have a question about putting Dawn soap into a buffer tank I seen it in videos I also seen videos that is bad to run chemicals through your pump you have good information keep it coming thank you
Some chemicals are ok to upstream.
Great content very helpful am starting my business very soon
Thank you and glad it helped. Best of luck on starting your business
20" works fine on a 4gpm
Great video! Made it easy to understand!
Thank you
Great information veido Mr Rucker. I just picked up a Dewalt 18" surface cleaner and it did the job but the second time useing it stopped spinning. I took it apart and greased the inside and it still is not spinning. Not sure if the tips come off or not so I used a welding tip cleaner. Well still not spinning but is shooting out the water. I have a Simpson 3400 mega shot and it works great. But this Dewalt cleaner I am very dissapointed in. Im not blameing Dewalt by no means Im sure there is a simple fix. But hey sorry for the long speech Thanks for the veido Have a great day sir.
I noticed the rotor cleaner your using doesn't have wheels i think that its better to not have wheels because when your cleaning up against a wall the wheels would be in the way and besides the pressure from the washer makes the rotor washer easy to move around anyway.
the video I'm looking for, how to know how to make the correct connection, to eliminate the gun, thanks, very good video
Awesome glad it helped. Just don’t use the higher pressure nozzles
One needs to find their true pump specs to determine the actual output. You can’t always go by what the pressure washer manufacturer claims.
The dewalt belt drive with the Cat pump is advertised as a 4200 psi at 4.0 gpm. However the pump is actually rated for 3000 psi at 4.8 gpm or 3500 psi at 4.5 gpm for the California model.
Are you able to wash a house from a ground well? I have an upcoming job and was wondering? Love the content, keep it coming!
All depends on the well. I be done it before but was feeding off a tank
What are your thoughts on a 30” surface cleaner at 6.75gpm? I will size the nozzles to be in the 1800-2000 range. I will be cleaning an exposed aggregate driveway and a large flagstone patio. I pretreat with SH so not too much agitation is needed.
I think you’re good to go and will be fine with. Well thought out plan.
This is an interesting subject.👍
Your videos are very helpful. Thanks
Excellent info as always,
thank you ...
I'm running a 20 inch Erie tools surface cleaner on a 4400 psi 4gpm Dewalt through 3 50ft hoses on a real, gives me enough power to clean pretty well but not enough lift to take flight ... If needed and distance allows I'll use 50ft or 100ft of hose for a little more pressure and add as needed.
Smart Man...decreasing hose length definitely helps
Another great video
Thanks Carlos
Just subscribed and found the information relevant and great. From Australia , thank you
Awesome. Thank you.
Very informative.
Great info thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Always Great Value Professor Rucker!
Thanks Ca.
Can your shooter tip be outfitted with a jrod? And if so would it be only for soap when down streaming?
Yes it can be put on a JRod. You can use it for either bleach or rinsing, you just need to have a way of stopping the bleach from pulling. Can do that by putting your siphon tube in a bucket of clean water, or using a bypass injector set up. Also if the injector is adjustable you can turn the dial all the way up to stop the bleach from flowing.
I have a DeWalt 4K psi 3.5 GPM pressure washer and a 18-in surface cleaner it will still lift the surface cleaner off the ground if I let it but nothing crazy. By math I should be running a 12 inch surface cleaner I think the 12-in would be too small and lift up even worse? Correct me if I'm wrong..
You are correct. Might try going up a nozzle size. You want between 2000-2500 psi for concrete. Less if newer concrete.
I had my pressure washer for 21 years now, only use if about 4 hours a year, driveway and bit around the house. Finding this particular instruction about surface cleaners very useful as I just bought a 14 inch BD model Whirl-A-Way. Used it a then next morning, and now recognize one of the problems I have, is that of lift and tilting, so will look hard at this nozzle issue. I have a 2700 PSI washer, I think it is about 3 GPM or more, will have to check. I got good results in cleaning by using a swing approach to the cleaner rather than pushing forward. The cleaner wanted to dig in if I went forward, tilt forward and stop, so realized I had to slow down. Is this a typical nozzle issue? Or is is me trying to go too fast? I am learning a lot of things about the art and science of power washing from these videos, wish that you tube had existed back in the year 2000.
BE cleaner, not BD
Awesome video 🙌🙏(as always).
Thanks Craig
Love your videos. Most of the aggregate in my area is exposed aggregate. Would I be better off with a surface cleaner with wheels?
I think it's all personal preference, the bigger the surface cleaner then I'd want wheels. For 16-20 inch the floaters are easy to move around.
Thanks 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
thank you so much i am new to this line of work and am adding it lawn mowing and handyman service i have a dewalt machine with a 4000 psi 3.5 gpm and a gx270 motor with the AAA industrial triplex plunger pump i have yet to use the machine even add fuel or oil but i would likee ot keep a budget starting with the math you gave i should be looking for a 14 inch surface cleaner ? thank you for the content and i am looking over you school and also now follow your channel
A 12-14 inch yes.
Great info
Thank you
I have a 4 gpm do I get the whisper 16 or 18 inch or the I think 20 comes with 4 nosle and just plug 2 so I can Rin the 4 gpm and if I get a bigger machine just run the 4 nosles
Any of those choices would work. I’d go the 20 option and plug 2
Whats’ the yellow ‘stuff’ called on the threads at 08:50 , and what is the function/ use of it exactly..
Thank you 👍🏻
Teflon tape. Helps to seal threaded connections
@@PressureCleaningSch was under the impression it could be, however it seemed more like a liquid/ paint on teflon substance (The colour is what threw me off, as in UK the teflon tape is purely white, regardless of the type of application it is needed for.)
Thank you again for the great content and taking the time, effort to produce and answer “silly” questions.
Keep up the great work 🙌🏻
@@mariusenslin The yellow I get from Home Depot, it's for gas fittings but I like it some applications as it's a little thicker and hold better when putting it on fittings. Not as much "stretch" like the white. I still use white to sometimes..
@@PressureCleaningSch Completely agree with you on making use of the Gas (natural gass) grade PTFE (It comes in a yellow casing on our side of the pond), and is it the go to type in most of my cases,as the paper thin PTFE tape of pipe fittings are garbage in general.
Great knowledge
Thank you
If the concrete is more than 4 years old do you think it is wise try to stay in the 2200 to 2700 psi range on residential concrete driveways to keep the etching to the surface to a minimum? Also, have you had any luck with 40 degree nozzles on your surface cleaners? Thanks for all of your helpful info and videos.
Yes very wise...you can always test with a wand first. Never tried the 40 degree on surface cleaner
Have you noticed by using the ball valve does it reduce on hand fatigue? How is it when it's time to turn corners or go left to right? I'm thinking about trying that to reduce hand fatigue
Yes. Eliminates hand fatigue. Don’t even notice it on turns.
Hi Doug, great video I learn a lot from the class however question I have a general pump 20" surface washer when the trigger is not engaged, I have very little water coming out of my nozzle also water is coming from a hole at the bottom of the rotor is this normal? I change the miner seal and spring do I need to change the rotor also however the bearing spins great any help would be great I purchase this unit used
There’s a bad o ring in there somewhere sounds like. Might be best to just replace whole swivel. I’m not sure if you can get parts for that or not. I’ve never owned one of those.
Do you have a preference for casters or no casters on a surface cleaner?
For small surface cleaners up to 20” I prefer no casters. Easier to get over the edging of concrete driveways and allows you to get closer to walls or objects to cut trimming time down.
Hi Doug. Super informative video. Wish I would found it before I brought my pressure washer. I would have went for a 3.5 or 4.0 gpm machine. My current pressure washer is 3600 psi and 2.5 gpm Based on the math the largest surface cleaner would be 10 inch. Any recommendations and tips for that cleaner. Thanks again.
I’d look for something Home Depot or lowes sells. They may have a small that would work.
Did you find a good surface cleaner for your pressure washer? I also have a dewalt 3600 2.5 gpm gas pressure washer for my business.
So my city water is rated 2 gpm,does the 4 gpm machine stills work
Is there a pressure chart for different tips on the on the surface cleaner
Could you recommend a surface cleaner package with nozzles, surface cleaner, and pressure washer as a matched set? The goal is residential flat work. I already have a 12v soft wash setup. Since you sell all the pieces I’m asking about and obviously gave the knowledge I thought the package would be a natural. Put it on your site, I think it would be a unique offering. Thanks.
Yes. We are working on a menu type starter package so you can pick and choose the items you want/need.
Hey mike let me know what you think. www.dougruckerstore.com/products/pressure-washers-starter-bundle/
Doug, very nice! You covered it all. Im glad you kept the gpm at house spigot rates so no buffer tank is assumed. I’m not sure how much of it is supposed to work at this point but this is what I found: the +- don’t work yet, and I didn’t see a total package price that updates as you make your selections. You could market this in two places/titles. “Starter package” and “surface cleaner package”. I think there are. A lot of people that start with 12v and later want to expand to flat work.
@@mikecoughlin4128 I’d suggest buffer on the 5gpm
Nice
My 13 yr old Home Depot Rigid 3000 psi, 2.6 gpm, CAT pump and 6hp Subaru engine has died. Can’t get engine parts, so junked it. Always did a good job with my 15” SurfaceMax Pro cleaner. Just bought a Simpson 3600 psi, 2.5 gpm, Honda GX200 engine, AAA Triplex pump(☹️). I expected similar results, but now get circular stripes and have to move much slower. If different spray tips will help would you please suggest what I should get? Can adjusting the unloader help? I’m totally stumped.
Good question, stumped me too. Doubt we have any nozzles for that low a GPM. Might try checking with Simpson
@@PressureCleaningSch Simpson has 1.3 gpm nozzles that I purchased. My problem is that the threads don’t screw all the way down like the originals. I used a wrench and all my strength to get them in as far as possible. They are thus about 1/2 thread closer to the concrete. Simpson says they will be ok. Haven’t tried it yet.
Thank you as always 👌🏼
Very welcome
Why not the 19 inch with a 4pm?
Depending on the machine definitely doable.
Instead of having different tips for my surface cleaner could I just dial down the pressure using the unloader on the pressure washer?
You could, but I prefer being able to change on the fly, using the surface cleaner pressure regulator, and not having to take the time to adjust and re-adjust the unloader.
So my 4gpm 4000 psi cant go with the 20 inch pressure washer?
sure it can.....
@@PressureCleaningSch thanks champ
@@RodneyBryant39 very welcome
I’m going to try 2.5 GPM 45 degrees. I think it might work
Is the whisper and the whirl away the same thing? They look very similar but different prices
Pretty similar. The WW is far more popular brand. Probably slight edge in quality too
Hey Doug thanks for the video, I have a 18” hammer head , can I remove the gun?. Because the side that my gun is on has
Two handles. Thanks
I got a question I just am getting started and wanted to get into the pressure washing business and I’m at the age of 16 do you think I can get a setup for around 500$ to get me started
No I don’t. 2500-3000 Will get you started in the right direction
2.5 gpm what size surface cleaner is best to use
Don’t think there is one for that size. Might see what HD or Lowes has. Would have to be real small
I bought a ball valve for my pressure washer and it is extremely hard to operate while under pressure I've tried lubricating the ball valve itself does not seem to help. Did I just get a crappy ball valve?
No probably just the wrong one. Does it look like the I have in the video
@@PressureCleaningSch No it has a square body but it is rated to 7200 PSI.
@@squirrel1179 it’s the ball valve. Those are very hard to turn. Get one of these. It’ll change your life. www.dougruckerstore.com/products/stainless-steel-ball-valve/
Squirrel , when I first started out I made the mistake and bought the square body style. I bought 3 at one time I cant even give them away. The ones Mr Doug is telling you about are the best ones to get. I kept a few of everything on my trailer and this is one on my favorite tools to work with
can a 4gmp power a 20 inch surface cleaner without having to change the tips for compensation ??
Yes.
@@PressureCleaningSch okay thank you… y’all have been giving me great tips for my business
I’m using a 2.4 gpm, could I theoretically switch the nozzles to something smaller on a 12-16” surface cleaner and have enough pressure to move it while maintaining an ideal amount spray power to clean driveways?
Don’t think you’ll have enough water flow to push it and clean very well w 2.4gpm
I thought so, but I’ve been trying to figure out how to maximize the equipment I have. And buying an 8 inch mosmati surface cleaner doesn’t seem like a good investment since the life of my 2.4 is only about 50 hours. I’m better off working towards getting a higher gpm machine and get a proper surface cleaner. I appreciate the response
The whisper wash may be a great tool but its to expensive for my blood ,you got anything about the third of that price range that is relievable ?
Hi Richard, You can check all the ones we carry here. www.dougruckerstore.com/product-category/equipment/surface-cleaners/
I have the WW ultra clean 16 inch as well. Where can I get the 2503 nozzles that will for sure fit? Please let me know thank you for your time
Just upgraded from a 4gpm to a 5.5 but I still have my 16 inch sc . With 2502 tips . Should I switch to different tips?
I have a 18in General Pump surface cleaner and a 4gpm like you have. What tips are you using on that surface cleaner?
2502’s
So a 25050 tip, 2 of them, in a surface cleaner should drop a 4gpm machine to about 2500 psi? Mine starts out at 4400. And a 2502 should put it at around 3000 psi?
Gday mate I buying a jet-USA 5000psi which continuous pressure of 4207psi I got a surface cleaner which is rated for maximum pressure of 4000psi how would I go about matching them up ?
Thanks 🙏 keep the videos coming there very informative
What’s the GPM
4gallon a minute
Jet-USA TX870 Gen IV Commercial Trade Petrol-Powered High Pressure Cleaner Washer this is it here
Dougie I have a 5.5 gpm belt drive with a 16 inch whisper wash. One of the tips clogged (2503) I have a pair of 1503 and 0040 what should I change to?
Try the 1503. But don’t try at a customer house
@@PressureCleaningSch I did a big driveway yesterday with one of the 2503’s clogged. Didn’t see many marks but had to go slower. The house wash is stucco with some brick (2600 sq. Ft). Should I be at 3-5% or downstream it?
@@PressureCleaningSch I have to do the pool deck and cage today. As well as their vinyl fence. 😔
Hey can you show me the adapters to convert. A 3/8 to a 1/4 ?
Can’t load a pic here but it’s a 3/8 FPT to 1/4 FPT reducer fitting
I thank you for your response but I’m still struggling on Amazon to buy the right one they have so many I see npt a lot more than fpt in any case my number is 3059053704 if you don’t mind helping a brother out. Maybe your can send me the link from Amazon which one it is and that would get me to the next level this has been holding me back for months. Thanks 🙏
If you remove the diffuser does it give it more power or water flow actually? I have a 16 inch and a 20-in service cleaner both without wheels. I'm wondering if I add Wheels to the 20 in service cleaner with a 4 gallon per minute or even 3.5 gallon per minute unit will it clean faster? Do I still need to increase the size of the nozzles to a 2.5 or 3.0 GPM?
No doesn’t really give it more power or flow. Adding wheels won’t make it clean faster.
@@PressureCleaningSch but it'll be easier to maneuver, correct?
@@4everabeast79 with wheels? Not in my opinion. Smaller surface cleaners I like ‘em no wheels. It’s a personal preference thing really. Sometimes those wheels have a mind of there own
@@PressureCleaningSch ok. Thanks for your feedback. I'm contemplating adding wheels to my surface cleaner now
Doug, we have two 4 gpm pw's and two 16" whisper surface cleaners. Wanting to have one surface cleaner setup and dedicated for wood decks or trex decks. Is this feasible by controlling with nozzles? If so, what is your recommendation?
I wouldn’t use a surface cleaner on wood or Torez decks unless they were in just really bad shape Where I wasn’t worried about damaging them more than they already were.
Hello Sir
I really appreciate your videos and had a question. I was looking at the 16″ Whirl-A-Way Surface Cleaner. Can I change the tips on this one to match my machine?
Yes the tips are changeable. What machine do you have?
I have a 4000psi 3.5 Simpson/Honda
I wanted to try and make a 16 work because I like the handle that comes with it.
@@ncmulligan your probably gonna end up using the 2502’s it comes with
Hey Doug I have a Simpson Belt Drive 4400 psi 4 gpm and when I have my 20” surface cleaner connected and I’m washing it wants to pick up off the ground. Thoughts? It’s a Simpson Surface cleaner
I recommend changing nozzles up a size or 2 so it stops lifting. Some guys just put a brick or weight on it. I feel of the surface cleaner is lifting off the ground it’s too much pressure for what you’re trying to clean
So if you delete the gun how do you release the pressure to switch to a gun to sweep.
We use a ball valve
@@PressureCleaningSch I do the same( a DN-10) but when I do from surface cleaning to sweeping I always have to pull the trigger to release the pressure. Is there not the same issue when it's just a ball value??
@@mikemclaughlin6939 no. No issue.
Thank you sir. I will have to try that out
Question what happens when you use a pressure washer thats too strong for a surface cleaner for example using a 4200 psi pressure washer for a 3300 surface cleaner
Hello sir, I just bought the dewalt 4400 psi that can reduce psi with a lever and I am still waiting to get the 20 inch surface cleaener. So, assuming I cannot throttle the psi, is 4400 okay with a 20 inch so that it doesnt damage concrete or decks? Or should I increase hose length to reduce psi like from 50 to 150 foot? I bought 4400 psi so I can use it on big parking lots in the future. Also, i aim to use water only instead of chemicals in the beginning because I dont know how to mix chemicals and because California is very strict, hence the water only for now.
You reduce pressure by changing the nozzles to larger orifices. You don’t want to adjust it through the unloader
How can you cut the ball valve off so easy? Mines very hard to turn on and off.
Which ball valve do you have? The DN10 is easy to turn. The higher pressure ball valves not so much
@@PressureCleaningSch pretty sure i have the dn10 i didn’t know because i don’t have a bypass and tank if that’s why it’s harder on my unit?
@@Bobby-ym5qd bypass and tank won’t matter
Link to a quality ball valve?
www.dougruckerstore.com/products/heavy-duty-ball-valve-rs6292/
Have a 4gpm 4000psi belt drive with 20" surface cleaner. What nozzles would you recommend?
I’d have 25025,2503&25035 on hand and use either depending on the surface your cleaning
What psi do you recommend on block pavers? Thank you.
That all depends on condition of pavers, staining, etc. usually no more than 1500
So a 2503 is less pressure?? Wouldn't that be 6 gpm?
Yes, but its really the size of the orifice, then the GPM but I have always gone by GPM to help guys get an initial understanding of what will work. You really have to refer to a nozzle chart to achieve the PSI you are wanting for the surface you are cleaning. But 2503 will provide more water flow, thereby less pressure than say 2502 or 25025.
@@PressureCleaningSch and i can get this though your store right ?
@@coachnate5747 sure can
This was informative, thanks! So, I hate to admit this but I just purchased a surface cleaner nit realizing that it is only an accessory to a pressure washer. My question- can you recommend a lady friendly pressure washer. I have the twinkle star 15 inch cleaner. 3.7 GPM, 2,000-4,000 psi, and 1/4” quick plug. It came with two pressure washer extension wands. Thanks!
is this for home use or are you using the equipment for a business.
@@PressureCleaningSch home use.
@@LISfifty Home Depot or Lowe’s should have something that will work for you. Everything I sell are made for commercial use
@@PressureCleaningSch I found the perfect unit. Thanks!
I have a dewalt psi 4000 3.5 gpm what size fitting do need ? With 16'
I'd start with the ones it comes with, the 2502....it should be good for that machine
I have the exact same pw Doug however I have a 20 inch BE surface cleaner what tips do you recommend ?
Thanks for the video! I do understand that the first two numbers are degree of spray pattern and next two are the gpm. What happens when you have an nozzle like 0060, is that a 0 degree spray pattern and a 60 gpm flow? Because if a 4006 is a 40 degree spray pattern and a 6 gpm flow, wouldnt a nozzle ending in "60" be 60 gpm? but that doesn't quite seem right, is it?
Yes, 0060 is a zero degree nozzle. So if u wanted the same nozzle for a 60gpm machine as the 4006, it would be a 4060 instead.
@@aquacleaning4994 ok thanks. So I have a 10 gpm machine and one of the pressure washing stores recommended a jrod of 0060, 0560, 2560, 2520 tips. Based on what you said, wouldn't the three tips be for a 60 gpm machine and the last tip be for a 20 gpm machine? I'm just trying to make sure I get the right tips and that I am not misunderstanding what they are saying.
@@jayfarino3721 ya, I see what they're doing is trying to sell u tips for using it to softwash with. Yes, you're right about the tip sizing, don't let them over complicate it. I have a 12gpm pump 3k psi and I use anywhere from 15gpm tips all the way to the 60gpm tips...just depends on what you're cleaning and how much pressure u need
@@jayfarino3721 I don't agree with they're choices of nozzle selection either.
@@aquacleaning4994 Thanks for shedding some more light on it for me. I guess the confusing part to me is why you would need a 20 gpm or 60 gpm tip for a 12 gpm machine. I would think your max would be whatever the tip is for a 12 gpm machine. I obviously have a lot to learn about it, so I really appreciate you taking the time to head me in the right direction.