+EXM If you go really low, that'll trick some people into recovering high. That's the best time to double-jump Thunder, but it should really only be done when you know it'll kill.
Yup. Gannon and Samus's have Soooooooo much startup. Marth and ZSS have such small sweetspots. As well as ZSS' being pretty difficult to space in the first place
"What a beautiful setup...that's a beautiful thing...when you see a man......just throw those hands......in such a.....artistic way." "That is a man." Top tier commentary.
The best dunk I've ever seen, was a two frame Mario dunk on a sheik for the tournament win. Most glorious thing I ever saw. but it was on 3ds, so I don't know how to transfer the data
I actually was able to pull the f-air spike into footstool combo to someone online, granted they weren't nearly as good as the pros in this video, but I'm still proud of myself. Even more so because I hardly use Fox and mostly just screw around with him as a meme character. CAMON!
What about Ally's legendary team spike off the Mew2king cross slash? It was a doubles game at shots fired 2. Ally wasn't even visible on screen and he got it
Ryax Well when you can win some decent money at tournaments, it's not all time wasted. Look at Melee (I don't know shit about 4's tourney scene). The tourney that just ended landed the winner 15k. That's not something to scoff at. Not to mention a decent amount of the top players make some money off of Twitch too. Hell, the pro Hungrybox even manages to be an engineer while being one of the best. I doubt there'd be as many people in the scene if they weren't getting anything out of it.
How else would you expect to get people to show up? It's a method for organization. It's a method to set up matches to find who wins the prize and/or who is better than whom. Armada (who just won the Melee tourney) is from Sweden. How else would you expect to get players like him without saying "we're playing for this money at this time at this place with these players?"
one time was on this one map me vs. diddy kong and I was mario and he fell all the way down and he tried to do the jetpack thing but then I just spiked him
The only real spike Fox has is the fair spike from the opponent using their up b at the same time. But the "Larry Lurr" fair fast fall to footstool is not a spike you're just dragging them down.
Even if you do a regular aerial with the left-stick, you'll only fastfall for a couple of frames because it resets your downward speed when you use an aerial
I don't believe that was a down air I think it was a back air, the animation would've lasted longer if it was down air. I never knew back air could do a meteor smash though lmao
MrHello1 It has to be a down air, I don't see it being anything else. It looks like Melee sheik down air with a spike hitbox. Watch it again and tell me it doesn't look like melee sheik dair.
+davidabeats ahhh I was confusing sheiks down air with zero suit samus's. I understand now. I know that with zero suit samus if you do dair right after getting hit you won't go flying downwards, maybe it's the same for sheik
+Turtlepower 3477 Nope, Fox's Fair has the same idea and same property of Luigi's Nado gimping. The hitbox has a suction ability that allows them to pull opponents down and with the hit stun those hit can't move in time to recover.
SuperHotSamurott It's not. Look up what a meteor is in Smash then maybe you'll notice Fox's Fair is missing several properties that a meteors have. By the way that same suction effect on Fox's Fair, Luigi's Nado, etc can also be found in some jabs.... It's an entirely different effect from meteors.
+AstrayChronicle each individual hit can be called a meteor because of its downwards knock back which is needed to account for Fox's atrocious fall speed
I don't know why I have to tell every smash player this, but there are no meteor smashes in Smash 64, brawl, and Smash 4, meteor smash is a technique only in melee, meteor smash means that is is meteor cancelable. Which you can cancel your momentum going down. So it's only in melee.
Mishun Comprete lol, you're saying Sakurai is wrong. The fact that you prioritize what the melee community says instead of Sakurai is really a problem.
Blazing Kurama I'm just saying that meteor smash is not the right name for smash 4 and brawl. It's only a melee term. I know way more smash than you. Like 100 more times. I know all the melee advanced techs. I won a brawl local tournament. and smash 4 as well. I have been playing smash ever since 64 came out. And I have the whole collection. And I play every day and study it everyday
+Ethan Jones Then you are bad lol. If it is a meteor, then why it doesn't meteor when you don't fastfall? It isn't a meteor/spike -_-. Go search before saying things like that. Autolink angle. It is programmed to follow your movement, but since you fall too fast, it sends downward to follow your movement, but since you aren't there anymore, this happens.
They're spikes, just a different kind of spikes. Fox's forward air multihit, Wario's multihit, Bowser Jr's multihit, and other moves that are like that are canceled out by the last hit. Not getting last hit sends you downward, counting as a spike.
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spikes are the reason I prefer Smash over every other fighter
I'm starting to really love offstage Thunder as an edgeguarding tool, but only ESAM could kill a fresh stock at 0% with it. That was dirty as hell.
+EXM If you go really low, that'll trick some people into recovering high. That's the best time to double-jump Thunder, but it should really only be done when you know it'll kill.
"WE DON'T NEED SHOVEL KNIGHT IN THIS GAME! (name) IS ALREADY DIGGING GRAVES!!"
" nairo diggin graves him damn self"
+DeadpoolBIH Diggin' graves, and then some.
Back in Melee, we had shine spikes
Nowadays, it's f-air spikes
We can still shine spike tho
The tricky tick he never said anything bad about it :/
spikes are sooo satisfying
All the spikes in this game either have a lot of startup or a weir/small hitbox which makes it so amazing when they connect
Yup. Gannon and Samus's have Soooooooo much startup. Marth and ZSS have such small sweetspots. As well as ZSS' being pretty difficult to space in the first place
Where's me vs. Angel Cortes doe?
+GimR you mean at Smashcon? That was dope, I'll put it next part (;
GimR senpai is here
Thanks for making my OC the cover photo for GimR Hell :)
Where's PM
It's where you put PM
To this day our top scientists are spending government funds researching what he was doing down there.
Esam, you gotta chill.
1:19 If only Shiek's d-air actually worked like that instead of being a meteor kick...
Yeah same for zss i hate the meteor daids
melee only
U mean dive kick?
Kor-al Refe Yeah. I called it a meteor kick 'cause you go down with it and it spikes.
mrsonicfan21 I'm pretty sure spike and meteor have different properties, but I get the idea.
but like... whut combo is it?
The nairo combo :^)
ESAM THO
3:06 Oh now right there! Oh my goodness! That back air! Yeah super strong back air right there from Nairo not enough to fi- OHHHH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That pikachu one was something i've never seen before... I have to try that on my friend as a pikachu main myself xD
"We don't need Shovel Knight in this game. Nairo diggin graves him damn self"
That is still the best line ever to leave a Sm4sh commentators mouth.
Simpler times
You have no idea how many time I replay the pikachu clip. That was straight savage.
Heel to da head, now u DED!!!
GANNONDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You should put the top ten (players that are) Spikes
Glad this was recommended to me, I love re-living the good memories of D1 and Sky's commentary honestly
Diddy Kong did that poor Fox dirty. He did not rain on his parade oh no he shit on it.
Who's the commentator on the left at 0:56, i.e. heels to the head now you're dead guy i.e. favorite commentator
"What a beautiful setup...that's a beautiful thing...when you see a man......just throw those hands......in such a.....artistic way."
"That is a man."
Top tier commentary.
"We dont need shovel knight in this game, Nairo digging the graves him damn self!" HOLY SHIT LOL
The best dunk I've ever seen, was a two frame Mario dunk on a sheik for the tournament win. Most glorious thing I ever saw. but it was on 3ds, so I don't know how to transfer the data
3:17 "We don't need Shovel Knight in this game!"
Oh, I highly disagree. :)
watching Zero get spiked is awesome
Great video man
I actually was able to pull the f-air spike into footstool combo to someone online, granted they weren't nearly as good as the pros in this video, but I'm still proud of myself. Even more so because I hardly use Fox and mostly just screw around with him as a meme character. CAMON!
3:22 did EE just say "we don't need shovel knight in this game Nairo digging graves of damn cells" What? Someone please tell me...
"...digging graves him-damn-self."
For the last clip
*Pulls out Kirby main*
DID SOMEBODY SAAAAY, LOW TEIR CITY?!
What is he doing down there lol
Especially with the sound effect when an attack spikes
Thanks I can find the best of smash without the hassle through R this channel
What about Ally's legendary team spike off the Mew2king cross slash? It was a doubles game at shots fired 2. Ally wasn't even visible on screen and he got it
Yeah, i remember that.
+Joseph Franc That one was sick.
#2 WAS BRUTAL ZERO TOKE THAT HE TOKE THAT HARD
that was one of the hardest spikes I have Ever seen 😱😱😱
RIP EARS 3:35
"Manny Knows" He fucked UP!
Lmao
And to this day, we still do not know what he is doing down there.
Can someone tell me what the difference is between a spike and a meteor Smash? I thought they did the same thing.
that pilachu was crazy
The first one isn't even a spike.
This tumbnail is prime.
i like how they turn a game made for just fun into a competitive sport
+Ryax You could say that about most games played competitively...
+rockzyk true i kinda find it sad seeing someone spend 24/7 on a game to play it competitively
Ryax Well when you can win some decent money at tournaments, it's not all time wasted. Look at Melee (I don't know shit about 4's tourney scene). The tourney that just ended landed the winner 15k. That's not something to scoff at. Not to mention a decent amount of the top players make some money off of Twitch too. Hell, the pro Hungrybox even manages to be an engineer while being one of the best. I doubt there'd be as many people in the scene if they weren't getting anything out of it.
+rockzyk the hell you need to make a tournament for a game for
How else would you expect to get people to show up? It's a method for organization. It's a method to set up matches to find who wins the prize and/or who is better than whom. Armada (who just won the Melee tourney) is from Sweden. How else would you expect to get players like him without saying "we're playing for this money at this time at this place with these players?"
In the first clip the rosa player's name was falln. He was sure falln in that clip.
one time was on this one map me vs. diddy kong and I was mario and he fell all the way down and he tried to do the jetpack thing but then I just spiked him
Esam makes pikachu look better than bayonetta stereotypes.
no bonus video at the end..
I didn't include bonuses because I made a second part of this :)
esam was like
"mindgames son"
These spikes make me do the "I smelled some shit" face
Mega Man. That's who.
You can't be putting the same clips in a different video
+MrMyBrownies He just did, so........ He can.....
oh shit ESAM is so never gonna let Manny live this down...
#2 should've been at the top. DID YOU SEE HOW HARD THAT WAS
The only real spike Fox has is the fair spike from the opponent using their up b at the same time. But the "Larry Lurr" fair fast fall to footstool is not a spike you're just dragging them down.
was that sky as the announcer at one point? C:
Nice shirt Man!
So, apparently Sheik _does_ have a dair.
How did Zero not fast-fall when he dair'd after the banana toss? It looked he short hopped the instant before, but it was too low to be a short hop.
C-Stick aerials
Even if you do a regular aerial with the left-stick, you'll only fastfall for a couple of frames because it resets your downward speed when you use an aerial
It does? Every time I dair off stage in 3DSmash, I fast fall.
Pretty sure I saw it on one of beefy smash doods 10 fact videos
He ran offstage and daired. No jump involved
Spikes on ness aren't that impressive...
James Y however correct spelling is
@@evelynmontes983 he spelled everything right dude
ZeRo has the skill but not the heart, that's why he plays Diddy
meteor/spike = get chur ass down there
Not to discredit anything, but as a Ryu main the Trela one doesn't impress me, it's easy to pull of. Looks really cool though
welcome to the drop zone
Why is it called low tier city if they both play Mario?
How did sheik down air spike without going down herself?
I don't believe that was a down air I think it was a back air, the animation would've lasted longer if it was down air. I never knew back air could do a meteor smash though lmao
MrHello1 It has to be a down air, I don't see it being anything else. It looks like Melee sheik down air with a spike hitbox. Watch it again and tell me it doesn't look like melee sheik dair.
+davidabeats ahhh I was confusing sheiks down air with zero suit samus's. I understand now. I know that with zero suit samus if you do dair right after getting hit you won't go flying downwards, maybe it's the same for sheik
If you get launched upwards, you won't fly down with a down air because of the upward momentemum.
What about Ally's disrespectful Mr R. spike
Oracle looks like Keith Urban and Billy Ray Cyrus
fox's fair doesn't spike. meteors have a certain sound affect and while it does drag them down, it is not a meteor smash.
did ally shield drop?
but.... what combo is that?
Can we add zero's spike on Larry to this now?
Well, his new spike
shiek and zss have the worst d-airs in the game for spikes, it always results in a sd
Falcon and ganon too
But d-specials
Samuel Vartan falcon down b doesn't even spike
Cyber Toxin I'm a fraud
Toon Link and Corrin too
Nairo on MVD at Paragon?
+KODE man23 we dont talk about that
Why they using DBGT LOGO on the top of the first one??
So, i see this video with 1k, now is 90k
Top 10 spikes doesn't start with a spike lmao.
It is a spike fox's fair has a little spike to it
+Turtlepower 3477 Nope, Fox's Fair has the same idea and same property of Luigi's Nado gimping. The hitbox has a suction ability that allows them to pull opponents down and with the hit stun those hit can't move in time to recover.
+AstrayChronicle That "suction" effect is called a meteor
SuperHotSamurott It's not. Look up what a meteor is in Smash then maybe you'll notice Fox's Fair is missing several properties that a meteors have.
By the way that same suction effect on Fox's Fair, Luigi's Nado, etc can also be found in some jabs.... It's an entirely different effect from meteors.
+AstrayChronicle each individual hit can be called a meteor because of its downwards knock back which is needed to account for Fox's atrocious fall speed
How was Pikachu not number 1
Fox's spike is not fair
F-air??? Heh
2:41 how was this not #1
I don't know why I have to tell every smash player this, but there are no meteor smashes in Smash 64, brawl, and Smash 4, meteor smash is a technique only in melee, meteor smash means that is is meteor cancelable. Which you can cancel your momentum going down. So it's only in melee.
Mishun Comprete except the game literally refers to these as meteor smashes. Melee tech names aren't always accurate.
Blazing Karamaz so the game is actually wrong
Mishun Comprete lol, you're saying Sakurai is wrong. The fact that you prioritize what the melee community says instead of Sakurai is really a problem.
Blazing Kurama I'm just saying that meteor smash is not the right name for smash 4 and brawl. It's only a melee term. I know way more smash than you. Like 100 more times. I know all the melee advanced techs. I won a brawl local tournament. and smash 4 as well. I have been playing smash ever since 64 came out. And I have the whole collection. And I play every day and study it everyday
Blazing Kurama also I disliked all your videos because you are horrible at smash. Lol
m2k + vex teams double spike finisher is not in here, much disappointment
Mr Instigator rabbitbrush
+GSDAkatsuki Where did it happened?
+Lucas Albuquerque Oliveira SKTAR4, hell I still have the recording of that last bit
+GSDAkatsuki Found it, thanks dude.
Oddshot if anyone wants to see: oddshot.tv/shot/rushhoursmash-2015082221133940
Lucas Albuquerque Oliveira There we go! Yeayeayeah!
did anyone els see sheik's eye sparkle at 1:23
The first two were not spikes or meteors...
What's the difference between a spike and a meteor!
You can recover from a meteor, but you cannot input anything after being spiked.
+Michael De La Rosa Ahh, okay, thank you!
nothing bro. they're both the same thing
0:56-1:08 lol
2:54 bruh
ちょ上手くね
why does every one use sheik
10th isn't technically a spike, still cool
It's a spike but not a meteor 🐺
+flight_knight no it's not a spike or a meteor it's just hitstun
+Ethan Jones Then you are bad lol. If it is a meteor, then why it doesn't meteor when you don't fastfall? It isn't a meteor/spike -_-. Go search before saying things like that. Autolink angle. It is programmed to follow your movement, but since you fall too fast, it sends downward to follow your movement, but since you aren't there anymore, this happens.
***** Ehy fuck you
Heels to da hed now ye ded
ESAM u so dirty boi
meteor---> how tu ruin a game by giving player the possibility to finish a duel in 20 sec -_-' this is stupid
Hello
I mean 3:18
This person is confused about what meteors or spikes are. The first two weren't even spikes.
They're spikes, just a different kind of spikes. Fox's forward air multihit, Wario's multihit, Bowser Jr's multihit, and other moves that are like that are canceled out by the last hit. Not getting last hit sends you downward, counting as a spike.
+Not So 0riginal They are not spikes/meteors. It is momentum, because of the autolink angle.
ally has done better spiikes than that
ZeRo gets spiked *throws in montage* (wasnt even good)
That first one isn't a spike lmao
And neither is the second one
its a meteor
+Nash G no it isn't because Fox's fair doesn't have meteor hitboxes he just dragged him down when he was going down too
exactly people call it a meteor
No Lucas 0/10