Chosen Before Creation for Salvation: 2 Thessalonians

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  • @jakeymanzano1743
    @jakeymanzano1743 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you Lord for the gift of salvation to me through Christ life, death and ressurection. Thank you Father for knowing me and loving me unconditionally, help me Lord to love others as you have been loving me

  • @JCATG
    @JCATG ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is a reminder we all need to live by everyday. We cannot brag about anything before the Lord. A humble attitude and gratefulness are the only things we can ever offer before Him with the amazing grace He has freely bestowed upon us.
    Thank You, Jesus! To God be all the glory!

  • @chainsawsurgeon6108
    @chainsawsurgeon6108 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thank you so much for all your messages. This one though speaks to me just because of what's been happening in my life at this time. I have come to love our LORD much more than I ever have because I now realize the great love he has for all of His children. He truly is a wonderful, merciful Savior. Love you messages brother Piper.

  • @HearGodsWord
    @HearGodsWord ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Amen. All in God's providence.

  • @TheCreepypro
    @TheCreepypro ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you Lord for your grace and great love that reached out from before time to save his chosen this is nothing short of a miracle

  • @nobuckle40
    @nobuckle40 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a joyous truth that God has chosen us, in Christ, from before the foundations of the world. Precious is the saving grace of the Lord.

    • @rocketsurgeon1746
      @rocketsurgeon1746 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed that He chose those who would believe. Just believe and we will be saved. Amen

  • @__-px7lw
    @__-px7lw ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I want to hear and know this series too. But I don't understand English. Could you please translate this into Korean if possible in the future? I really want to see 'Look at the Book' too. I want to Know too.

  • @tylerhewlett4124
    @tylerhewlett4124 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amen! ❤️😇✝️🙏

  • @jpaul1599
    @jpaul1599 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its not that anybody is chosen from before creation but that God predestinated salvation through Christ alone.

  • @maxaplin4204
    @maxaplin4204 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    John Piper is right that God loves everyone but also loves some people in a way that he doesn't love others.

    • @mattr.1887
      @mattr.1887 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sounds like unconditional love to me.

    • @Mr.Enigmatik
      @Mr.Enigmatik ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattr.1887 it is difficult to wrap our heads around it no doubt. God loves people no matter what, but I guess he doesn’t love everyone. Example, in Genesis it says He loved Jacob but hated (or rejected)Esau. The only way to understand this is to change your view of God and understand his love isn’t earthly and He also does as he pleases. It is kind of scary because I personally have never felt or experienced Gods love and I often wonder why it feels like he hasn’t changed my heart. But I trust in Him and know His love is something we cannot fully understand. His ways are far above us and his purpose isn’t to make us feel warm and cozy because we are going to heaven. His purpose is to conform us into the image of Jesus because that is what gives Him glory. And the only way to do that is to rely entirely on his grace.

    • @rocketsurgeon1746
      @rocketsurgeon1746 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does God love those that He creates for eternal damnation? If He did love them, wouldn't He give them a gift of faith? I'm confused

    • @maxaplin4204
      @maxaplin4204 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mr.Enigmatik God surely does love everyone in some deep sense as John 3:16 implies. But there are different kinds of love, and in another sense God doesn't love everyone. A good book I have read on this is D. A. Carson's 'The Difficult Doctrine of the Love of God', which I recommend.
      So in one sense God loved Jacob and hated Esau - in the sense of giving a promise to Jacob but not Esau. But this doesn't mean that God didn't love Esau in any sense at all.

    • @maxaplin4204
      @maxaplin4204 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rocketsurgeon1746 God surely does love everyone including those who will end up in hell, as John 3:16 implies.
      Importantly, however, God's love for people isn't the whole picture. Partly in a kind of tension with God's love for people is his desire to be glorified, and one way in which he is glorified is by punishing some sinners.
      The Bible is full of God punishing sinners and also full of God showing mercy and not punishing sinners. This is perhaps the biggest biblical paradox. Just punishment is good and mercy is also good!
      As human beings we relate to the goodness of both these things, even though they are opposites. We can trust that God in his deep, deep wisdom knows when just punishment is appropriate and when mercy is appropriate.

  • @TrinityTruth05
    @TrinityTruth05 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:33 amen!!!!

  • @ahler3973
    @ahler3973 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gbu

  • @Over-for-now
    @Over-for-now ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the message of being chosen BUT WHY do you mention calvin? We don't need a man label to prove the wonderful absolute sovereignty of God !!!

  • @TheCannonofMohammed
    @TheCannonofMohammed ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Piper, do you think I’m un-winsome? If we could poll the unborn, what do you think they’d say? Winsome or not?

  • @rocketsurgeon1746
    @rocketsurgeon1746 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It is important to go back a couple verses, maybe study the entire book for context.
    12that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
    Why were they condemned? Because they didn't believe the truth. Not because they were reprobate by God's determination. By their own choice.
    God does NOT choose certain people for salvation. He chooses those that believe the truth

    • @jchan810
      @jchan810 ปีที่แล้ว

      You have demonstrated basic misunderstanding of election and reprobation.

    • @rocketsurgeon1746
      @rocketsurgeon1746 ปีที่แล้ว

      How? I quoted a verse :) support your comment

    • @jchan810
      @jchan810 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rocketsurgeon1746 reformed theology acknowledges that people go to hell because of unbelief. In Adam we are all sinners who love their sin and are slaves of sin who need to be set free. Romans 8:7-8 tells us that those who are of the flesh ( that's our natural condition after Adam) cannot please God. We cannot produce faith or come to Christ. John 6:44 tells us that no one can come to Christ unless we are drawn to him. Definitely not as if we can come to Christ anytime we want. There is no desire for Christ unless it's been given.

    • @rocketsurgeon1746
      @rocketsurgeon1746 ปีที่แล้ว

      Going thru your post, you said people go to hell because they do not believe. You then say we cannot believe because we are not given the ability by God. Thus, people go to hell because God didn't give them what they needed. Is that your position?

    • @jchan810
      @jchan810 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rocketsurgeon1746Romans 8:7-8 says in the flesh we will not and cannot please God. It's inability and unwillingness. Therefore those who are in hell are there because of their wilful propensity to sin. Of course God puts them under condemnation. God is active in hell not passive. God doesn't grant them to come to Christ since that's his sovereign decision.

  • @raptusjulius
    @raptusjulius ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello, even if you will find disputable translations, reassuring the isles dwelling securely in spite of their opposition to Israel, God and life itself, God has a message for you, with a better translation in context: And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
    Ezekiel 39:6 KJV
    Magog is either Russia or less likely Turkey, the isles are first, Lebanese, then of Greece and Cyprus and then all of Europe and the world.
    Luke 21:36 King James Version -
    Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
    1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
    English Standard Version
    16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

  • @calebmotupalli
    @calebmotupalli ปีที่แล้ว +4

    While i respect Dr. John Piper immensely, his theory falls apart as a spirit of error because of the qualifier, IN HIM or IN CHRIST JESUS, used through out Paul's epistles in conjunction with how one is chosen.

    • @izaswierczynska6618
      @izaswierczynska6618 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Could you please explain in more detail what you call a spirit of error - I can't understand why using this qualifier is connected with error?

    • @jdubruyn
      @jdubruyn ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bro, you cannot tell someone you respect them immensely and at the same time call their ministry a 'theory' that 'falls apart' as a 'spirit of error', doesn't even make sense what you are saying - and you are in effect being more than disrespectful with your comment which is irrational and cowardly (not to mention hurtful).
      You cannot have respect for someone who is as wrong as you describe Pastor John... If you have respect you would not leave a comment like this in the first place, or instead explain yourself (clearly) so everyone can understand what you mean, instead of making lite of a very important message and belittling Pastor Johns legitimacy as a teacher. Check you own heart or check your command of English before attacking what you do not understand.
      "who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us *in Christ* Jesus before time began" 2 Timothy 1:9

    • @spitfire577
      @spitfire577 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jdubruyn
      I agree with you. I find many people do the same and do not explain themselves. Then when you don't get a response back from them in my own opinion it's because they're mean spirited and there was no other reason then that .

    • @jdubruyn
      @jdubruyn ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@spitfire577 It makes me *so angry*... wish I was able to articulate myself more eloquently👀 Our post post-modern society has me at the end of my wits sometimes 💙🤣