Why Trespassing and 'Stand Your Ground' May Spell Trouble for Idaho | NBC Left Field
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- Idaho’s new trespassing law in the American West expands the rights of property owners to keep people off their land, in a state where private property is one of the core values. Sen. Abby Lee's participation in this feature was as part of the NEW Leadership Mock Debate at Boise State University. She is not a spokesperson of the Trespass Bill, and was teaching a class potential arguments on the topic. An updated version of the video is here: nbcnews.to/2KD...
Sportsmen also point to a potential dangerous overlap with Idaho’s new “stand your ground” law, which allows individuals to use deadly force when defending their private property. And conservative groups like hunters and sheriffs say the law could lead to an innocent trespasser being arrested, now that property owners don’t have to post their “no trespassing” signs as rigorously.
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if I wanted people on my property I would put up "welcome" signs instead of no trespassing signs
Go to idaho fish and game and get a map. They have it clearly marked on owned land.
And in this time when everyone has GPS on their phones. Absolutely no excuse to not know where you are. Many apps for sportsmen just for this.
OnX..... Zero excuse to ever find ones self one someone else's property.
All well and good until you find yourself arguing what is public and private with an overzealous rancher. Worked Beneficial Use Reconnaissance and oh boy! The amount of times I'd find someone moved their fence to claim public land, someone leaving their cattle to graze on 48hr easements and then locking gates and setting up no trespassing signs on public Access and public land. Oh how I wish this issue was black and white, but if you understand the current situation of Idaho lands and historic access, and just how much public land is bound up by private purchases, then you too would know it's not that simple.
@@jaygraham4095 My phone doesn't have GPS its rotary.
maps are useless in the woods without markers. on the property.
Stay off other people's property, and you won't have a problem. Seems pretty simple to me.
Problem is if you aren't sure what's private or not. Since they dont have to post sign's anymore it makes it alot harder to tell if this huge chunk of land or that huge chunk of land is private.
@Jessica Jones Lack of your research of the area is your fault. You decided to camp on know OK property, but ventured out to the unknown. Your lack
of research is your fault
@@user-iz8yx5iy8k you don't know what your talking about. You would need a BLM map, laid over a surveyors county map, and a historical map of the same area to be able to make sure you are not trespassing. Since the Wilkes Bros helped do away with proper signage and markers in Idaho to be able to isolate and steal public lands by surrounding it with private purchases, it has become more common for hunters to completely abandon many areas that used to be open due to the fear of litigation. It's ridiculous to say "research" when your research is subjective to where the land owner feels his property line is. I have worked for the state in Beneficial Use Reconnaissance before and would find all sorts of laws broken by ranchers and smaller plot owners. Locked public gates, 48hr easement cattle grazing for months on end, dudes in Oakley running at us with weapons drawn claiming we were trespassing while we were on legal public lands. If this issue was black and white this wouldn't even be a discussion.
Damn right
Didn't that security guard tell them a forest service road was private property??
Why is the inconvenience of someone planning a hike a reason to not respect someone's property? If I own property I should be able to keep out anyone I want.
Your too simplistic. Let me give a scenario. Someone has a house he bought in 1975. It was tradition to go to the lake fishing which is a 20 minute hike. Because I billionaire bought land. It's now either 30 hours hike to get to the lake or 6 hours drive. All people are asking is accessibility. The rest of the world. This is a simple solution but not in America.
If it's too inconvenient to plan the hike, I bet it's also too much inconvenience to bring the right gear if they get stranded.
@Willard Lentz
You need to take a rest from moonshine bubba.
Expat In UK Biker So when those people are accessing that lake over my private property and they leave garbage strewn on my land and vandalize my equipment then what ? The property should be clearly posted with contact numbers on all signs. If you want to cross the owners land then you can politely ask for permission and they can decline if they wish. Most land owners will give permission unless they have had problems.
@@natcalverley4344
I hope you do realise America doesn't exist in isolation. It does work in Europe. When a land is sold larger than 1 hectare, stipulations are put in place to ensure access to public property like lakes, river, viewing points of interest and artifacts are accessible.
range law people. fences and signs,it aint rocket science
wouldn't that get super expensive depending on the size of the property?
Purple paint will do in most states. Look it up.
@@hazcat640 yah that will keep the cows out of the garden.
@Brian Branson Gee, pretty much the whole video is talking about hunters and outdoors enthusiasts. Do you think maybe that is what I was talking about?
@@ranwolf1240 It's a whole hell of a lot cheaper than the land itself, if you can afford hundreds of thousands for a large piece of land, you can afford several thousand for private property signs. I have mine posted 3x as densely as the law requires for my state, and for 100 square acres it cost a bit more than a thousand dollars for all the signs and nails. If I had placed at max distance, only $350 or so.
the general public is a self-centered, disrespectful mob. as time has passed I find outdoor recreation is getting increasingly unpleasant because people are noisy, thoughtless, trashy, and uneducated. if land owners felt they had to band together and get tough laws to keep trespassers out, I completely understand.
@Sun Drain are you stupid? i quote myself: if land owners felt they had to band together and get tough laws to keep trespassers out, I completely understand.
"Looks the same" shows a fence... Notice the FENCE? If there is a fence, don't cross it unless you know you are allowed to. There is nothing confusing in that. And if your not sure if you are allowed on the land, don't go on it.
Jeez, I learned this stuff as a kid, are you telling me that there are grown adults who can't figure out, "not yours, leave it alone".
That college student whining about how much extra work it is to do "research"... Maybe you don't belong in college if your not ready to do research...
I don’t think that one really hikes. She wanted justification for not doing so.
So if im on the river and get off the water where their is no fence or signs but its private property......
@@raulcruz9409 there will still be signs along the shore. They even mention it in the video.
If there are no signs then the land owner can't reasonably expect people to know it's private property. But any land owner with half a brain will already know that they have to mark the property lines including on shore lines.
Raul Cruz In Wisconsin you have so many feet that you can be on before it is considered trespassing on a river or stream.
these properties they are talking about are not fenced, or marked as private. anyone walking i the would could walk into them and not know.
This story is ridiculous, PRIVATE PROPERTY is just that. Respect others rights and property.
The government owns all land. We just rent it from government.
Will you take the land with you to the grave? let us know.
@@molaroismorais1758 No, but I consider it mine while I'm alive and able to use it. My remains will probably be blasted into the ground here as the marshalls seek to remove me from my home in the coming months.
Only in the United States is property rights strongly recognized even in courts. In Canada, individual rights trump property rights so you might find yourself in serious trouble if you hurt a trespasser, and that include their feelings. In Mexico, unofficially might makes right, but many cases are settled out of court anyway.
@@roys8870 In most of the world, might makes right. That's what keeps governments in power. Remember, government is just the mob with the most power and greatest numbers.
Who cares what they do in other countries. This is America. What other countries does means nothing. If it’s not your land stay off of it.
yes the elite rule in the USA. INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS HAVE NO RIGHTS, US FED JUDGES just dismiss any private request to follow valid current laws. monitor US courts to learn or remember ''STANDING ROCK/'' NO RIGHTS NO LAW NO HONOR NO TREATY ...............USA NO HONOR AT ALL
@@spymaine89 "yes the elite rule in the USA."
"Elite" has nothing to do with owning property and possessing rights to it.
@@wisenber the average , non filthy rich USA person, has no rights. ....your land rights are granted by the ''elite''. pay your rent, taxes......if the government wants your land, for what ever, they take it. you are paid the min. of market value.......currently by US SUPREME CRT.. RULING, if a ''corporation, private, wants to build something, they take it, pay min. market...
.''for the good of the society'' thats fair ?. for the good of society, the elite are allowed to keep massive AMOUNTS OF ''MONEY'' most of which are in government allowed ''black holes.
my income tax , which is completely known by the US FEDS.. says, ''how much do you make? ''how much do you need? ''we the people, get the rest, for the ''common good''....if you would teach your kids, to monitor all, US FED COURTS, activity, they would learn where US PEOPLE seeking their RIGHTS, by current valid constitutional law , are dismissed by ''judge'' not allowed to jury trial, where they would expose , the lack of ''PEOPLES RIGHTS''. you prefer to eat your crumbs from the elite. hide in fear.
@@spymaine89 "the average , non filthy rich USA person, has no rights. "
Do you always make things up and pretend you know something?
".your land rights are granted by the ''elite''. "
Except they aren't.
@@wisenber... what i say , you can verify, easy , ...US SUPREME court, RULINGS ARE PUBLIC RECORD. ........taxes and eminent domain are public record......... US FEDERAL COURT case dismissals, public record. ............do you have an argument? based on anything. do you study , ''rights'' in any nation? you seem to prefer to live vacuously.
Property rights should be respected and communication is key.
large property owners should have term limits then.
You're right about "communication is key." But as this report noted, Idaho is a patchwork of public and privately owned land, so the relaxation of the notification requirements for posting "No Trespassing" signage increase the odds that someone will face criminal charges (or be shot at) for innocently wandering on to someone's land. That's a problem. Perhaps one solution would be for the state to fund the creation of a GPS-based smartphone app that sounds an alarm if someone enjoying the beautiful Idaho backcountry accidentally wanders too close to the boundary of someone's private land. That would greatly improve communication with honest Idahoans who do respect property rights and don't want to fear the possible consequences of accidental trespass.
@@photios4779 Excellent idea.
You have to research who's land you are in before a hike. Uh yea.
@Berave Trolliolli Troll post, I know but he wasn't dissenting against property owners.
Yeah, it wasn't even a good troll post. That dropout needs to go back to troll school and learn how to troll.
The People of Color argument is crap.
True
And Really Old. And yet another yet another blaming of the victim. And part of the power struggle to gain the country...that's working.
Leviticus 23 applies.
and Deuteronomy 28.
Their next one will be that their brains dont work right because of global warming.
Really you don't see people of color wondering around in the woods or wilderness much. I don't know why they would throw that in there.
I have been to Idaho many times. Not many people of color running around.
If you don't pay taxes on it, stay off it.!!
i don't think anyone is arguing that point. what their saying is that they have no way of knowing that their on that private property, if its not fenced or marked as private.
Learn to read, obey the signs and don't climb a fence simple.
People use ignorance as an excuse , but they wouldn't put up with that at in their back yards .
@Alan J If it's not fenced, and not posted as private property, then you can't be fined or charged with trespassing. The law clearly states that it has to be obvious that the land is private property. At most you can be asked to leave by the owner/police if it's not obvious.
@@johnmclain250 I think, if I'm understanding correctly, that landowners can now get away with posting signs only at say a gate or driveway, meaning it will be harder for people to notice if they are in fact crossing private property. at the very least it leaves the issue up for debate instead of having a standard of how many signs and how far apart they have to be.
I own land in Idaho no one is welcome on my land there's no trespassing on my land there are signs everywhere my property my rules you don't like it I don't give a s***
Ok boomer
I agree about land but I dont agree about rivers if someone if fishing river I dont thing you should have right to kick them off a river as long as they stay off the banks
Hey Rob, let's have a beer by the fire some time...
MickNJ1979 It was noted in the video that as long as you stay on the water you are in a public area. It’s when you step onto the bank that you might be on private land. All “navigable” waters in the US are public areas.
Dang!, I was planning a hiking/camping trip on your land -now I’m going to have to find someone else’s land to trespass on ...
So if your looking for a “ safe place “ . Buy a place . Take care of it . Then respect other peoples properties they paid for it .
If the public and private land is intermingled the responsible thing for a land owner to do is put up a fence. Responsibility is a two way street.
Vontux
A fence which gets cut every day (we finally gave up, and no cattle any more) would cost approximately $250k, when a responsible person would simply find out where they can hike.
@@benfritz7604 how would a person determine your property line does your entire property have cell service? I think you're missing a few beats of logic, and frankly lives are more important than your money.
@@Vontux Hello, do you not understand English? My property is well established and the public trail system has a partnership with local landowners to help the public avoid conflicts with private property. I still don't understand why you think I don't have any rights, or that yours trump mine. I do everything required by law, I'm just asking the general public to follow the law as well. When they threaten my livestock, tear up my roads, cut my fences, cuss my wife? Well, meet the Sheriff!
This is not Scotland there’s your mistake this is America.
@PolSmokesPot { ولد الوجيهي } Scotland is an insignificant pipsqueak country with no Constitution and no right to defend yourself in your own house.
@PolSmokesPot { ولد الوجيهي } one of the beauties of America is you are free to leave, or stay out, I strongly suggest you exercise that freedom. maybe you can move to Scotland...
@@gusmc2220 No one is shooting you in Scotland when you simply walk. Only stupid US is that shit possible. But you are the Land of "Free".....laughing my Ass off!!! Free?? Only "Big Money" rules the US. You lost your "Freedom" a long Time ago....
Only a moron would compare America to Scotland.
@@gusmc2220 I actually can't leave and go to Scotland. Have you ever heard of visa requirements? Immigration laws? It's a pain in the bitch to move to the majority of countries around the globe
If you gotta climb a fence you’re trespassing
@Vin Commons Idiots like you are the reason they created this law in the first place.
@Vin Commons That is a great way to get shot committing a crime in many states.
@@baltsosser so your legally allowed to shoot someone that's cutting your fence? Wow... I thought you could only kill in defense of your life.. not in defense of your fence
@@swedsteve93 If someone is cutting a fence, you have to observe them to see what their intentions are. If they are willing to trespass on your place they have other bad intentions likely. People in big places like those out west we are discussing don't have fences for no reason. Cattle and horses are very expensive animals, that carry large costs and large responsibilities. Anyone willing to put those at risk trespassing doesn't give a shit about what it costs you, so I have no sympathy for them.
The sound of the girls voice narrating says it all...
I love my country but have learned to loathe my government!
The nine scariest words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
If you cross a fence your on land you shouldn’t be.
There is fencing on BLM
which tax payers pay for
So ranchers can graze a
Cow for 2 dollars.
Simply put in Montana you are supposed to know were you are you wandering idiots!
@@eugenesant9015 to pay for schools etc.
@@jimchristensen2920 scam...just like all farm
Subsidies. I costs me $4
A day to feed a horse..yet
Ranchers can graze a cow and calf for $2.50
A month?
@@eugenesant9015 i guess that if you dont like to eat beef you can eat your horse. In the US horses arent concidered food.
You don't have a right to be on someone else's property. Idaho isn't the only state where being on someone else's property without permission causes a higher risk of lead poisoning.
the same people crying about property owners wanting them off their land are the same ones screaming if someone is in their driveway
Pfft, what driveway? These people don't work or own anything. They are socialists that don't believe in private property.
They feel entitled to take what they want even though they didn't earn it.
This is the main problem.
@Newell Orban first off the OP said DRIVEWAY, not room. either an amazing lack of reading skill on your part or a purposeful misrepresentation of what was said. second off there is NO difference between 40,000 acres and someones driveway when it comes to property rights.
I don't have the right to park in your driveway without permission just like you don't have the right to cross my property without permission. get over yourself.
@Newell Orban the only one lacking mental faculties here is you.
How is one landowner stopping millions of people from going on vacation? You make the claim you need to back it up or it will be dismissed!
_"Hitchens's razor is an epistemological razor expressed by writer Christopher Hitchens, asserting that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it."_
So I can violate YOUR property rights if I'm on vacation?
There aren't numerous national parks to visit huh?
Do you not realize the federal land they are talking about in this video is pasture land that is under multiple year lease through the forest service?!
There is nothing out there for the public that isn't also in the national forest areas that ARE open to the public!
If you ever got outside of your bubble of stupid (aka city) and visited the real world you would already know this...
@Newell Orban how the hell did you jump from 40,000 acres to 800 square miles!?
That's 512,000 acres! LMAO
And even then it's a mute point the fact remains property rights out weights your desires.
I just love how you went from a room to a state while moving the goalposts in either direction!
@Newell Orbanlmao!
your desire to 'vacation in nature' (which you can STILL do in plenty of places that have been purposefully set aside for just that reason) does NOT trump my right to private property.
a fact you can not dispute so instead you turn to insults like an insolent child.
we're done here, you've lost.
_"when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"_
Well, that will keep a squatter off your land.
Ironic, Private land owner wants to stop people from hunting , fishing, camping on their private land. Sounds like Preservation to me.
Exactly!
If you can t read a map ,you should not be in the forest in the first place.
They make the fact that everyone has a gun on them seem like it's a bad thing.
Idaho has one of the lowest homicide rates and is considered one of the safest states in the nation, sounds to me like it's a GOOD thing. looks to me like maybe other states should follow their lead!
or even better yet national Constitutional Carry would solve a LOT of problems in a hurry if you asked me.
"Disproportionately affect prior of color."
Um how?
Using PC talking points, and just switching to something else...
This piece sure seems "reliable" 😒
It was done by NBC, so you can be pretty much guaranteed that it’s all hype and well laced with fiction.
I noticed that part, too. I have NO idea how any of this would somehow affect PoC any more negatively than anyone else but I guess they always just have to throw it in there for good measure.
Mike Hawk I’m a white male married to a black woman (almost 25 years married). Her brother is in Oklahoma and an avid hunter, mostly ducks and geese. He and his friends pay a land owner for a lease to hunt on that owner’s private ranch land. They’ve never had an issue staying on the correct land. Yet, according to NBC he should apparently not be smart enough to understand property boundaries. These claims that such laws discriminate based on race are blatant racist statements themselves, but that’s not even remotely surprising since it’s coming from NBC.
@@CharmsDad If NBC does in fact feel that way about black people that still doesn't mean the new trespassing law affects black people any differently than it does anyone else. The issue here is how the LAW would affect people traversing privately owned land, not what a television network "feels" how black people will comprehend it. That has more to do with how a third-party "feels" about black people versus how the law would actually impact them.
Mike Hawk I believe that’s pretty much in complete agreement with what I stated. This law in no way affects any racial group more than any other, and NBC’s claiming otherwise is, at best, idiotic. This video is clearly propaganda and not even remotely unbiased journalism. People who own land are entitled to their property rights, including keeping trespassers off that land. Contrary to what’s stated in this video, that is also true n Scotland, Ireland, and pretty much all of the western world.
The moral of the story is stay off other people’s property.
Yes I love millionaires make laws for us. Soon we may not be able to leave our House
Sounds like an advertisement to move to Idaho...looks like freedom still exists there.
HOW HARD IS IT TO ASK PERMISSION FROM A LANDOWNER BEFORE GOING SOMEWHERE YOU DON'T BELONG???
Hard when no one wants to take you in. Not many "No tresspassing" signs have phone numbers attached
the name of this channel says it all NBC LEFT
people trespass then they get hurt and sue or you get some one who dangerous
That alone is reason enough to prohibit hunting/hiking on your land.
Propaganda ! Funny how the only land owners are 'Big' land owners.
Land can be as cheap as $800 per acre so yeah. Buy some land and you can get a big tract for a little bit of coin.
@@yahoshua Wouldn't buy a Sq foot round my way
@@tallthinkev It's all about supply and demand so I hear what you are saying.
Of course you have to bring up stand your ground with POC!
Well yeah, if so many of my people were violent and more likely to attack someone I wouldn't want people to be able to defend themselves and their property either.
(What I would say if I was a POS leftist)
If you have to hop a fence, you’re probably trespassing.
Private property needed to be respected
These people dont understand if u on someone else's property an sprain ng ur leg because u fail then u sue the landowner
John Strickland
that’s a thinker! I came on this property and danged if it wasn’t dangerous - I am looking for the owner because I was injured from the reckless and hazardous conditions they’ve allowed
It happens even if they mean to hurt themselves sometimes it happens though.
Thank YOU!!!!!!
These people dont know how the stand your ground law works
Because Idaho can read the constitution. And I do not give a crap about other countries operate.
If the government really cares about private property rights why do they violate it more than others?
Hunter safety courses used to include the topic of asking permission for private land hunting. I assume they still do. In my state there is a system in place for private land hunting where the owner needs to personally sign a permission form for the hunter to be there. Public land is still available of course.
They have the same program with a letter in the Hunting Rules . Also they have a program called access yes, that allows you to cross private land to get to public land. As a boy growing up here in Idaho you always asked every time you would be on private land, and if a gate is closed close it after you, if open leave it open.
This video makes a whole lot of fluff out of nothing. As a property owner next to BLM lands we have had our share of tress-passers. It doesn't take much to ask.
asking for permission and having a license are redundant to each other.
I love when people cross over a fence and claim they didn't know they trespassing.
"now you have to do research before going on a hike" 🤦🏻♂️
Well in other states some roads have higher speed limits.... Are you also gonna say: so we were going by out of state rules on speeding....?? 🤷🏻♂️
It is YOUR job to know where you are and aren't allowed to go while doing an activity!
Wait, you guys don't have signs indicating the speed limit ?
It's kind of like people who drink alcohol in Saudi Arabia lmfao
@@Limosethe exactly 🤦🏻♂️
@@Limosethe But you actually can legally drink alcohol in Saudi Arabia. It's Iran where it's illegal.
@@meneither3834 Fuck no. Bootleggers get beheaded and shit all the time
I wonder how many people would like to see some stranger trespassing on you land and sitting on your couch in your living room before they think
Oh trespassing is a bad thing to do !!!!!
"...60% of land is public." Seems to me to be plenty for "recreatin' !"
If you ask the land owner to have access to hike, hunt or fish, you are not trespassing, and if you are nice about asking, you may just end up with a new friend, as we in Idaho are generally friendly.
Kindness and respect can go a long way here.
Simple stay out of Idaho.
Seems to me with the advent of GPS/ etc. people should know where they're going in the first place. I don't blame any landowner for taking action if they think they're threatened and yes i have accidently wandered on private property before.....not a good idea.
In this country I'm surprised the trespasser can't claim eminet domain and keep the land. Most states have laws that protect criminals and hang law abiding people.
I have spent decades fishing in Montana. Always asked permission to cross private lands and always gave the property owner a case of beer at the time followed up with a Harry and David fruit box at Christmas. Never had the slightest bit of trouble or unpleasantness. Always closed gates and never climbed a fence. Climbing across a fence can break them down. Treat the rancher with respect and he will return respect. The odds are that a person who asks permission will respectfully treat your land and cattle. Wyoming is no different.
If you hunt ... Learn the area
Going to hike... Get a map
Going to be ignorant.. You're on your own
The trespassers may break a leg then sue the owner... I don't want strangers on my property
That's the way the laws should work, I think I want to buy some land in Idaho now
Nope, never worried about hiking on to private property. A RESPONSIBLE user of a States public land would respect fences, signs, maps etcetera. There's no excuse for laziness.
Anyone who thinks property owners don’t have the right to protect their shit is just unamerican
They don't really own those properties dumbass
@@jasonolson3133 Yes, they do, Shit for brains.
Unlike almost commentors I have been in the backcountry on Idaho. The ranchers are more that kind. If you respect the closed gate and the no trespassing sign you will have no problems.
If your going to go out in the woods you should know where your are. I live on a private road and constantly argue with trespassers who get nasty and I wish there were consequences for their actions in Wisconsin
So...you wish that you could shoot them? What does that say about you?
Brian Scrivener no I don’t want to shoot anyone but I wish people would respect other people properly maybe you should put the shoe on the other foot would you like people in your front yard??
@@donaldnelson2012 I have people cross my front yard all the time. Not a big deal.
@@brianscrivener4670 but for some people it is a big deal and that's ok.
@@brianscrivener4670 they forgot to throw morons like you in with the race card. Go pick shit with the chickens but get permission first!
Higher fines are fine, HOWEVER lack of warning signs for the private area is invitation to murder people who don't know exactly where the (sometimes not updated often) maps say private property is. The loss of life expected from honest mistake alone (sometimes the dishonest mistake of some land owner that they "own the road") is not worth it.
You are full of $hit.... no where is that any law that allows you to kill people on your land illegally. You people need to stop LYING about what Stand Your Ground laws are.
the key to this argument is in the name PRIVATE PROPERTY meaning NOT PUBLIC PROPERTY if you can not see the difference then learn because at the end of the day just because you feel like going somewhere does not mean that you are allowed to that is why people buy land so that it is theirs and NOT PUBLIC
So true.
I'm a city slicker who was introduced to the west in the late 1990s. One year, we had a comet and a lunar eclipse, so I went on a hike near Deckers, CO. I wanted to camp by a lake, but the fence was posted "Private Property", so I kept walking. One of the locals gave me a ride on his truck, as I was tired, still gaining elevation, and it was getting late to make camp. I respected the posted signs and was lucky to get help just in time. I know that these days, there are a lot of drifters and many have mental or at least drug issues, but the old way seemed to work fine. Just keep up your fence and make sure that strangers are properly informed. On the other hand, I have family here in the east who live next to a public wooded area. When a far neighbor gets a fallen branch, they cut through her yard, and dump it at the boundary of her property and the wooden area. When they do walk into the wooden area, they dump it in sight. Few if any of them cut down the large limbs to keep the green space from looking like a dump. Moral of the story, you might be respectful and thoughtful, but people are assholes. Last year, I wanted to ride my bike through the states and go up to Wyoming and Colorado again. I'm not so sure that people now are as good as they were in the 1990s. And that my friends, speaks to the sad state of the world. I stay in New York.
Marcos Mota Good to compatechow things havr changed,,same has happened here in western Canada,& increased rural crime& destruction of properties, many people from elsewhere disrespect and have entitled attitudes...quite a drastic change from when I grew up rurally..
Gawd....why is this narrator talking like she is on NPR?
I'm not sure what the problem here is. In south carolina it is already the case that you cannot enter private property even if unposted, and the SC DNR regulations emphasize that it is YOUR responsibility to make sure you know what land you're on. Now it's one thing if theres no fence and they wander a few feet into your property, GPS and maps are only so accurate, but if you've wandered far enough for them to see you from their porch? Idk, that just seems like willfully ignoring where you are.
Saying it poses undue burden on sportsmen is ludicrous. Take a GPS. Know what land you're on. It's not hard. Like the property owner said, if you ask, they'll usually say it's fine, they just want the courtesy of being asked.
you have missed the larger problem.
spymaine89:
It doesn't seem like they've 'missed' anything.
SC is a tiny little state with a pop. density of 200/sq. mile. You can just orient yourself by the light of whatever convenient store is closest. Idaho's pop. den. Is about 20. If I found myself stumbling onto their porch, I'd want to ask for directions.GPS does not work out there (only the most expensive ones do), cell phones don't work, the maps are sometimes 100 years old. That's the problem. See my other remarks.
In open land you can see someone from your porch from a mile away, that doesn't mean shit. You're just willfully being a prick, go live on an uninhabited island, then you won't have to worry about someone doing what humans do and roam the lands to accidentally end up on your invisible "PRIVATE" property that looks just like every other part of nature in a 1000 mile radius. Humans are too overpopulated as it is for this shit. At this rate no one will be able to walk anywhere freely out of fear that it is probably owned by some rich elite with lawmakers in their pockets.
When I was born in Idaho we only had 600,000 people living in the state. My parents had the occasional trespasser, but things never got out of hand. Today, with 1.8 million people living here in Idaho you'd think at most we'd only have 3 times the trespassers as when I was young. Wrong!! We have 100 times the trespassers littering on our property, doing malicious mischief, and molesting our livestock. I too like to hike, camp, and go on adventures in the outdoors. But I always ask permission to enter someone's private property or I don't do it. I pay a lot of taxes and it seems like the argument to be able to trespass comes from those who pay no property tax. I like the law that protects my rights as a property owner.
it's "Strong fences make good neighbors."
I live in Texas. We already understand this.
Catherine Leary
Its almost as if it was elementary.....
@@billmeriwether605 Right? We have "no trespassing" signs, but if someone is actually lost we will help them out and be friendly.
We just don't want people leaving trash or starting fires,etc.
Sometimes it's just hipsters looking for an Authentic Rural Experience, thinking we are an antique store 🙄or something.
We don't want to be jerks but we do expect to have our rights respected.
Catherine Leary Yes, agreed - I have had people in the past come onto our land and w/out exception they were respectful and some were “just curious” but like you I dont want trash, fires, hunting, or liability! We have a cattle ranch close to border in west Texas and illegals have left the most trash and built the fires - I will say they are not interested in calling attention to themselves and as a result are not around very long but it remains an issue which I hope we can resolve - Good luck to us all!
Hippity Hoppity, stay off of my property
Private owners are concerned with liability.
Bottom line is if your not 100% sure where you are don't go because there is a good chance you are trespassing
"Private Property" is a Core Value in EVERY STATE.
Only ones who don't respect private property are the same socialists that want to take your property away so freeloaders can enjoy it.
Jman the only time I've ever told a man he had to leave my land in Montana or I'd kill him, it was a dipshit right winger. America First means spending Americas taxes on America First, not fucking Israel for their healthcare, and their education, which they all get free. You gotta be a fuckin moron to not want your taxes spent on your own goddamned country. Jesus. I want it to be a felony to hire illegal immigrants. Heh, try and get any crooked politician to sign onto that, and watch 'em backpedal. An honest one will support it.
should be . . . but they are being eroded at an alarming rate.
Most of us who choose to buy a few acres and live in the country do it to get away from people.
Like I want some bunch of hikers wandering around my yard
and the last thing I need is some idiot hunter on my property.
I just look at the litter and such in public parks and well
as the noise and I certainly
do not want these people on my land and neither do my neighbors.
People do not have the right to recreation on someone else's land.
Plus people seem to have this fetish with moving stuff
on other people's property. You could have a few cinder blocks sitting somewhere
for a reason and some idiot will move one or more for God knows
what reason. It is all the BS associated with people that makes us
want to post our land and put up fences as well as brandish
a Tommy Gun just in case. It seems like travelers
and people on holiday have absolutely no respect for private property
or it's owners.
It’s called the castle law in Texas and you can only use deadly force if someone is stealing, attacking people etc you can’t shoot them just for walking on the wrong property on accident and I doubt it says that for Idaho either
To bad
Stand Your Ground is very misrepresented in this article. Stand Your Ground means you have no obligation to retreat if you are in a life threatening situation. One cannot take another life due to trespassing alone. Say a property owner discovers someone on their posted "No Trespassing" property and takes the life of the trespasser. Property owner will have to explain to police how their life was in immanent danger. Trespassing alone does not constitute immanent danger to life.
I am NOT advocating to trespass on private property.
Well, you wouldn't be shot if you just ask the owner from the front door.
Great, other states should do it too! Thanks for the story and to bring it to our attention.
Self-defense still requires that you believe the use of deadly force is necessary and that a reasonable person would have agreed.
I own land in Montana. I'm not a hunter, but I fully support the sport. In Montana, property owners can voluntarily register their land with the State Fish and Wildlife Dept. for hunting. The State then publishes maps of all private property that is available to hunt. As far as I know, the system is working well for everyone.
Total BS, starts by telling us what another country does. This is USA.
Not just another country . . . one that is smaller than several of our _States_ . Illogical comparison. But then, at what point do you see logic in this propaganda piece?
Nice attempt at deception, panic, and mob rousting.
I own a small farm in Idaho, I've had thousands of dollars of equipment and tools including weapons stolen over the last 5 years. Property crime is rampant in the state. Stand your ground law is a good way to deal with the problem. Almost everyone carries a weapons. Trespassers beware.
Bull Shit "Stand Your Ground" laws do not have any bearing on when you are allowed to defend yourself in a self defense event.
I see a couple issues-Hound hunting which is legal will be a problem since dogs don`t know boundaries. I agree with the landowners-do not trespass without express permission from the owner. There are very accurate GPS recievers that show all the lines and who the landowners are.We use it for deer and elk hunting. The GPS screen will show names like State forest land, green crow timber co.,Wilkes Trust, and so on... I highly suggest you carry one of these and if you`re hound hunting-have the landowners names and numbers on speed dial that surround your area-just call them beforehand and let them know what you`re doing and 95% of them will be friendlies. As for the billionaire guys-call them up and see if you could get private use. It may cost you some $, but why not spend a little money to have a 1 or 2 day pass to enter? Well worth it in my opinion. Many private timber companies here in WA state allow private entry for 300-400 annual pass. It eliminates the riff raff and it is like your own private hunting club area.
so, the landowner is a SOB if he doesn't allow access, is he still a SOB when he is sued by a trespasser that injured himself on that same ground?..a landowner has the right to be secure in his abobe, wheter its a tent or a McMansion ranch.
There are already laws in areas like this which protect landowners in situations like that.
scale , the question is scale
How many people have been shot ? I'd bet 0. Scared I'd say a lot.
NBC Left Field? That's the only field NBC has, isn't it?
I have no issue with this, people should not be trespassing on private property. If your ignoring posted signs or jumping fences you know good and well what your doing. The only issue I saw in any of this, was the rent-a-cop telling people to get off a public road. But that is solved by ignoring anything he says, and if he blocks you, have the police called and have him arrested/fined for impeding traffic.
maybe this will keep the commyfornia and new yorkers away, can only hope
Trump is working out great, can't get enough of him, red tsunami coming in November 2018
We can only hope but im going to buy a backhoe just incase. TRUMP 2020
In the Scotish Highlands it's illegal to ban people from your property for the vary reasons given here. Even when your land is fenced, you must provide a means of climbing over or through the fence.
Duston McCreary welcome to America where the rich make the laws
thebklynprophet exactly where racist bigots now have a voice and can't lie that liberals are putting a false jacket on them. Th hey come right out and put it right on front street
yes and in the UK it is called ''right to roam'' law. USA people , not so free .....are they
Duston McCreary:
...and?
Socialists: You don't own your property if you are not a establishment elite.
First of all, NBC hate both stand your ground and private property rights. So I'm not so inclined to believe their propaganda.
Second, private property in every state is under attack. For instance, TH-cam has video after video of motorcycles on private property being chased off by angry landowners. The guys on the bikes think it's a big joke.
Something had to be done, and when they did something, everybody bristled because of the toughness of the law. If you don't want this law, then solve the problem some other way. But solve the problem.
Prior to the 1890s, trespassing was only criminal if you entered a locked Building or the "Close" of a residence. The "Close" is basically the yard around your house. Everywhere else you could trespass and the only liability would be any damage they did.
In the 1890s, to keep Union organizers out of mines and factories, invented the modern concept of No Tresspassing if you posted a sign. Yes, criminal trespass was an anti Union law. It was written to appear not to be anti Union but used against unions for decades (even today union organizers can not enter "Private property" to talk to employees due to such "No Trespassing" laws).
To this day anti trespassing laws tend to aimed at people who are NOT in the top 10% of income owners, which is more then just potential union members.
Set up GPS boundaries
I'm a hunter but I have a friend who is very large land owner (rancher). He lets me hunt not because he is my friend but because I respect his land. This is all the farmers & ranchers were asking for. We end up with law suits and confrontations with or without firearms because people disrespected the landowners. It isn't hard to figure out.
Dead on sir
What was wrong with the old law? I have no desire to go on your friends land. I just want to know where his begins so I can walk around it
may be a point, but many other points to consider. in the UK they have a right to roam law, read it , is the USA the land of the free, or the land of the rich.
spymaine89:
(false dichotomy)
spymaine89:
"the land of the free to protect one's property regardless of income levels"
I always side with the property owner because he pays the taxes and usually gets little or no help from the authorities depending on location etc.
I work on federal land quite a bit and the best access is often across private ranch property especially in the Rocky Mountain region. I have never in 35 yrs ever had any trouble gaining permission to do so after approaching the landowner and respectfully asking first. They always say yes and will always provide any keys to locked gates or let you in personally. Cattle are worth a lot of money and it only makes sense that they would like to know who is on their property and what their intentions are.
respect the private property signs and you won't get shot, otherwise you take your life into your own hand.
if its all private , time for a commando raid, the land owner may lose his.
Joe McMillan how can you respect private property signs when they don't post them the whole point of this law was to state that they don't have to post it anymore dumbass
@@productreview5051 Bullshit, the law says you don't have to post it as often as the old law did.
IT is the days of GPS.. And most people have a smart phone! Bloody H-ll there must be an AP for that...
Several apps actually. Absolutely no excuse to not know where you are.
@@jaygraham4095, strong evidence suggest that they know where they are, and they are likely up to something.. Example: Like going somewhere remote to plant Pot plants, or some other such thing..
Working for a utility company I have to enter private properties all the time with no trespassing signs. I have seen lots of signs saying ( I HAVE A GUN AND A BACKHOE ) My truck is clearly marked and have had no problems. The homeowners I have run into are really nice people. They just want to be left alone. That`s not much to ask for. I have had lots of conversations with most of them. Most end with a handshake and have a nice day. You need to respect someone else`s property. It`s just that simple.
So in other words you're a criminal that trespassed on other people's property 😂 can't wait for you to trespass onto the wrong property and never be seen again
My problem with tresspassing is two fold. People come onto myland and leave trash behind and cut trees down. They tear up the are with their ATVs also. Respect other peoples property and leave no trace behind is a start. Next is if they hurt them selves. Even with no tresspassing signs I have been sued. I still had to defend myself and get my insurace involved. Foryunately it went no where. Even then it still cost me $$ to defend and now my insurance went up..When I find a tresspasser now the sheriff comes and escorts them off and serves them with no tresspass warnings. Second offence is a ticket. Havent had a third offence, maybe the word is out.
I wouldn’t shoot anybody unless they was up to no good
And also on my land I posted signs that says no hunting on private land I'm glad that there is a law that says stand your ground in Idaho
It makes sense to have a law that says "don't breach the fence." But if there's no fence or sign, how can you know if you're walking onto private property?
I've hunted BLM land for years and never had an altercation with a land owner or ever wondered where I was. My gps lets me know exactly where I am and a map is always with me if I have no signal. What many people do not know is that Idaho is mostly public land where most states do not have near as much public land to enjoy, Idaho even has signs signifying place to hunt, fish and ride. Most of the land specifies if it is public or private and nearly everyone has a smart phone today that will give you this information. I know my experience does not reflect all other situations, just sharing mine.