CRT Safety - The Consumer TV Version - Cathode Ray Tube
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ต.ค. 2018
- Please be safe if you are considering owning a CRT. Watch this video to learn what you should be cautions of. Let me know what you think. Thanks
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this rocks. I've been using CRTs for a while now (video game tournaments) and i've always wanted to learn more about how to fix them or repair them!! I have zero experience and a well explained & properly cautious video like this feels like an amazing place to start. Love all the safety tips!!
Thanks so much for this video Steve! I just took a small CRT out of our basement that has not been used for 15 years and wanted to do a recap before using it. These safety procedures were exactly what I was looking for!
U can also add that dust can conduct static electricity and cause mayhem in electronics .Sometimes just dusting the tv inside at the back that had alot of dust buildup,can fix a faulty tv.
You are explaining very well, send more videos.
5 yrs old me: Pours an entire glass of water on an old Tv in the back....Hears a POP! and the TV didn't work anymore :(
@People's Republic of TH-cam no
@People's Republic of TH-cam sorry, I should have explained more, there is no way the tube "imploded", even if you break the glass front (which is really hard to do) it won't implode. The most likely explanation is that there was a short circuit (shorted caps/HV) on the board and that what caused the the fuse to trip and the TV to fail.
@@LachambredeNico I stupidly destroyed an old monitor when I threw it away by throwing a hammer at it and it made an incredible boom. (If that's what you're talking about)
Probably shorted out the HV supply. Repair shop could make it work again.
I put a magnet on screen and moved it in one corner, then realized the purple hue wasn't going away and stopped, age 5 too. It eventually went away but after two or three years, imagine the frustration.
Discovered this channel recently and been watching a lot of your videos. Thanks for all the great content!
Thanks man, this is wonderful. The key to a great trainer is the ability to articulate the subject matter clear and concise, which you exemplified well in this video. Fascinating stuff, looking to get started myself in this craft. Take care.
The fact that the composite jacks are mounted on a scart-shaped block gives me hope for RGB moddability early on.
I notice that too. I'm thinking that Samsung used the shell all over the world. Most likely there was a scart input in the TV if the shell was used in a European TV.
@@RetroTechUSA the joys of living the UK, but ;( we did not get 60hz on retro consoles.
All color TVs can be modded for RGB, the tube needs to take RGB at some point either way.
@@haloharry97 So what? It's better to live in a PAL country today since you can easily get RGB, CRTs can't easily be imported but Japanese consoles can and they're cheaper than their North American equivalents either way.
@@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer Yeah, they all _can_ be, but if the TV's own circuitry doesn't handle its signal in RGB before it's sent to the tube (OSD, PiP, CCD, etc.), that makes the RGB mod considerably more difficult and less worthwhile.
Always videos very useful and usable even for newbies, even for people like me who do not have a perfect command of the English language ... Thanks, keep it up!
Thanks
@@RetroTechUSA So which TV is better? CRTs or LCDs?
@@johnbreighner5852 depends on what you plan on displaying on your display of choice.
You really are an asset to the retro tech/retro gaming community. Thank you for this informative and easy to understand video.
The only criticism I have is that toward the end it seems like the audio is slightly out of sync with the video.
A bit over the top on safety there, I worked for samsung making theese beauties, our production lines spat out 3,5 mill a year and I was responsible for dynamic purity/static convergence. A tiny jolt of 50-60k volts is nothing to fear for normal healty people, there is no wattage behind it, so just a tiny jolt. Keeps you awake and productive :)
It's funny to me to see certain things like no potting around the anode just a rubber cover. I test these everyday at work and that's a crazy looking coil compared to what we use. Of course the crt's I test are used in aviation so things are going to be designed alot differently
Wow! I’m so glad this video exists. I want to clean out a 1990 13 Inch crt I own. It works fine but It gets a bit of a gross smell after about 2 hours of use. I don’t know if it’s just because of all that dust or something else. But I want to see. So this is very helpful.
Looking forward to the rgb mod , I kind of stuffed up my first tv mod , if you could please detail the wiring of the scart head , types of capacitors used ect , love your crt series please keep up he good work
Sure I can go over that. Thanks for watching.
Beautiful. Really great video Steve. Very thankful for you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Dude your channel is filled with awesome stuff! My first time here and already subed!
Thanks & Welcome
5:50 That one hand, maybe have saved my life.
i was messing with geometry when it was powered, my hand sliped touched the back of the crt got a burn on my finger
Great video, and thorough! I am working on a cocktail style Galaga that's filthy! Thanks for the inspiration!
Excellent information, thank you.
I made a hole on the back and installed a 12v PC fan. The heatsinks were getting so hot that I'm surprised that they ran without problems for all these years.
The chip you were pointing out, likely branded SEC, is actually the jungle IC for the set, with the micro controller responsible for the OSD being up towards the front of the set underneath the tube. No way to tell from just the video, but if it's labeled "KA2163", I can say without a doubt that an RGB mod is doable.
Thanks. Yes you are right. That bigger chip is the Jungle IC. It also has the 2nd chip that sends in the OSD Blanking so it's a go for RGB!
Electronics instructor way back in high school said he was thrown to the back wall of a room after brushing the HV on an unplugged CRT.
Awesome video, thanks for the infos!
Thanks so much Steve. I'm curious, are arcade monitors any different than CRTs? I got a bunch that need working on, and I'm just curious if there's any additional safety measures I should know about that weren't discussed in this video. Thanks so much for sharing!
Thanks Kory. Arcade CRT's function the same as nearly any other CRT in general. They are only designed to show one input so they are actually simpler in design most of the time. I have an Arcade Monitor too in a NEO GEO cab. I'll make some videos on it next month.
Keep making these videos Steve! So thankful for them. I keep telling everyone I know about your channel. Also, if I have some questions about how to fix geometry etc. what is the best way to contact you?
Hey. The best way would be to email me: snutt541@gmail.com Thanks
Do you mind if I email you? I have a emerson flatscreen crt. 2003 model that has some corner "bending" in the left and right hand sides top screen
You're welcome Steve. Always a pleasure. 8^)
I’ll be working on a 1987 Zenith Space Command in a few weeks!
If I wanted to just clean it from dust, using only compressed air, would you still need to discharge? I have an old CRT that hasn't been on in 2 weeks and I was thinking recently of making sure to get the heavier dust off the board. Thanks again for the great video!
I love CRTs and want to get into modding them, but I have no idea what I'm doing and fear death or injury for going poking around back there.
This video is a great help thank you.
If you're ever going to mess with an old CRT based analog TV, first get an isolation transformer. Most had the chassis ground tied to the neutral of the AC input and if your home is miswired, you'll have full mains voltage on the chassis ground.
The other important thing is the one hand in the pocket rule. One hand on a circuit, the other in your pocket. Lest you have one hand on a ground and the other touches something high voltage or worse, mains current.
Working with the CRT deflection, second anode or video drive circuits, no, those would be in person teaching. Too easy to get bit and damage something.
hi Retro Tech! i've got this crt monitor with mitsubishi Diamondtron tube.
the image is good and clear but it heats too much from the top, buzzes and smells)
so i decided to take the cover off and blow out some dust. there was a lot of it.
but what bothers me is the red circle where anode enters the tube is in black sticky substance and i don't know if i could just wash it off with spirit.
i don't know if its an Aquadag, but graphite layer's visible sharp margins are 5 cm away from the red circle, so i think it shouldn't be there, on the circle itself.
So, can i just clean it off? you will not be responsible (i mean morally) for any advice so please don't be cautious :)
Sorry for long text and bad english )
Excellent video. You mentioned about the flyback and some capacitors could hold some charge, is there a way to discharge them safely to work on the motherboard? i want to try to do the mod to add rgb to my crt, but thats what's holding me back.
Maybe I can talk about that and show it in a future video. I've never been zapped by a cap while working on a CRT, so getting shocked by one is not common.
I got an unused RCA CRT fresh in box, unfortunately it decided to crap out after 1 short use... I guess the capacitors were old even though they weren't used.
Steve is FREAKING awsome!!!!
great video Steve
Thanks Zeke. I've not got any CRT computer monitors currently, but that's a great idea to add for channel content. I will be on the look out for something good. Also, did you get a chance to see my safety video on the Sony PVM from a week ago? That's a little more in-depth and it's a really high end monitor.
@@RetroTechUSA yes i did! it's a really nice video, and this one as well as pretty good, seeing that these two types of tv's are not the same in the concept of calibration it was really useful for me, in the future i'm planning to open a crt to clean it up, i will be using a breaking bad type suit for the first time i do that lol!, it doesn't matter how much i see on the safety, i'm still pretty scared, but it will be done, i want to have a room with a lot of tv's one day and this is neccessary for taking care of them, i apreciate your content, i didn't knew where the capacitors were dangerous exactly, now i know, thanks Steve
@@RetroTechUSA Yeah good luck with getting one. People try to sell them for ridiculous prices here in Australia.
I have an idea for a Q&A for you in the future Steve.
My question would be,.... "What would be your least favorite CRT model that you came across that wasn't to your liking".
I do have to admit, I came across some doozies in the past myself. That's why I stayed with more of the popular and respect versions that were available.
Anthony..
That is a great idea. I have a couple of bad crt stories. Thanks Anthony.
Thank you Steve for your information and i have an old samsung 32 crt tv from the 90's and it stopped working and i noticed a ceramic fuse that is not wofking .. So could i replace it with a different type and i did not notice any burn marks on the main board and what do you think the main thing that faild to burn the fuse in your experience . Thank you for the safty tips .you saved my life
I'm going into an old 32" Quasar today...wish me luck! I hope I can revive it with just a capacitor replacement. If so, I might attempt an RGB mod. It's worth a try, as it is useless to anybody at the moment.
Hi, I'm a complete ignorant about this subject but I wanted to ask. Tthe cathode tube is broken from the base, near the board. Is this a fixable (big) issue or should I let my crt go?
Great videos.
I have been staring for about an hour at the focus/screen nobs that seem to need adjusting. Too scared. I made the mistake of googling it, and everyone is fearmongering. I have 1000v screwdrivers with plastic handles, or am prepared to use a shaved wooden chopstick to turn them. Still scared. I see you do it by hand and am so envious. I would love to go on a course where I can have someone at least look over my shoulder.
alot of newer ones have resisters that drain the power when it isn't turned on, you can just use a large resistor clip one end to the metal frame or ground and then use some insulated stick to slide the other clip under the cap and let it drain through the resistor as that will not produce any arc and take a chunk out of your screw river.
What about opening the backcase and use isopropyl 70% or higher and then some compressed air? Or will that also be too risky? Its only to just remove the dust from the circuit board.
CRT bench repair techies used a pair of long-blade screwdrivers to discharge the anode. Holding them by the plastic handles of course and poking them in the right order. If hear sparks then it's done.
I've got an old crt that's been powered off for years. Im assuming I don't need to worry about discharging the unit and being shocked. Now I'm in Australia on 240 volts. I doubt the procedures will be any different from what you've shown. Please let me know if I'm wrong in my assumptions.
can i fasten the screw driver to a PVC pipe and do at a slight distance? maybe 3 feet? just so i'm not holding the screw driver's handle directly... i'd still do the gloves of course.
Very helpfull video, really good explanations. But why do you let it sit for 15 minutes and "discharge" it again? I am just curious why. I just do it once and make sure I touch it a couple of times and for like 5-10 seconds.
I have a 27" Trinitron that needs a yoke adjustment bad. I play a lot of JPRGs and in the constant menu navigation and text boxes are always tilted just enough to drive me crazy. I've been wanting to adjust this yoke but have been too afraid to, at least until now. I'm going to order the gloves today and should be making the adjustment on Wednesday when they come in! Thank you for these videos, they're extremely helpful.
Hey, did you end up doing this? I have a 30 something inch Trinitron, and have been having issues with it. If the yoke is misaligned will it also cause discoloring in the corners?
@@VinnytotheK I doubt the yoke would cause discoloration, you may need a degaussing tool. Magnets can cause discoloration and usually happen when someone sits something on top of the TV. Check out this video th-cam.com/video/qS3Q2lJS_74/w-d-xo.html
@@TheGreatTave Appreciate it, I did stumble upon degaussing tools while on my hunt to figure out how to fix it. I'll have to see where I can get a reasonably priced one, or if my corded drill might suffice...
@@VinnytotheK I haven't dealt much with degaussing, I did have a CRT a few years back that had discoloration in 3 of the 4 corners, it slowly went away from turning the TV on and off. Not something I like to do repeatedly, so I just made sure to play a game on it at least once a day.
Also you could check eBay for degaussing tools if a homemade tool doesn't work. Best of luck! I know what it's like needing to fix up a CRT nowadays.
Where did you get class 3/4 gloves cheap enough?
Me who has mine open trying to adjust the screen tilt and stuff with it on actually using banjo tootie to do so but the white stuff is hard and can't adjust the things on the yolk to move them.
Dear Steeve,
Thanks for share your knowledge about CRT loving ~~
I am French so excuse me for ma bad English.
Now, I have a CRT Sony kV 29 fx20b with all color working but all color are discolor (not beautiful) , color are dull. White is not pure. Bad brightness.
what could be the cause of this ? Do you guess could be an capacitors issues or inside the yoke ?
Thanks for your help if you see my message.
Fox
Do you have any videos on fixing the ir sensor on a crt? I have a Toshiba 14AF44 with no oem remote, but I've had no luck with universal remotes. The only thing I tried was opening it up and wiping the sensor with Isopropyl and a qtip.
got a 20 yr old tv off ebay that's got a rapid flickering problem, but image is clear otherwise. As soon as I bring up the OSD the menu looks a lot more stable. Can anyone guess what the problem might be?
I see the rating is Class 00 for the gloves, is the 500AC V max enough for CRT work?
Great video steve. I have a question, how would i fix a warping screen from left to right with the center having the highest point?
Bad capacitors for sure my man. BE CAREFUL!
Any advice on removing a mildew smell from a crt monitor? I just got a fantastic condition HP Pavilion MX75 but even though it looks pristine inside it has a strong mildew smell that I haven't noticed with any other monitor or tv ive gotten.
Can you do a video on how to remove the bezel? I want to paint a silver bezel black and have zero clue where to start taking it apart.
I have never used gloves 🤣. Oops... once left a screwdriver in the anode when discharging. Turned it on and remembered then to take it out.
Thanks.
So clean inside the TV. Gave someone the excuse to help the people crawl out
I literally just shined a flash light through the little vents and looks into the opposite side so I can see everything on the inside, and HOLY SHIT, it's coated in more dust than a Christmas ham in glaze
What's the specs on those gloves? I need to adjust the yoke. I have a slight tilt on both of my crts. I'm kinda scared to do it since it's my first time opening one up
If you pause around 3:40, the package for the rubber gloves says Type I (no resistance to ozone), class 00 (500VAC to 2,500VAC & 10,000VDC), length 11" (from tip of middle finger to wrist or below elbow), size 10" (inches around palm of hand, front to back). Here's a link from Grainger: www.grainger.com/know-how/safety/ppe-in-the-workplace/hand-protection/kh-electrical-gloves-5-things-to-know
From what I've read online, CRTs can have up to 25,000-30,000V while running. Higher class numbered gloves can protect you from higher voltages & are thicker, but they are more expensive & stiff to move the fingers. It sounds necessary to have a leather glove protector over the thin rubber gloves.
What do I look for as a problem with regard to diagonal lines in the picture when the TV is turned on
The lines diminish after several minutes --
Is it safe to touch absolutly everything inside the tv after discharging it? I heard that even after discharging the anode, there are still parts that could kill you.
Is this true? And if it's true, what parts should I avoid to touch? And is it possible to be extra safe and discharge those parts too?
I figured out how to use a crt when I was 4 because at my old house I had a supersonic crt and it didn't have any analog channels but I moved and BROUGHT THE CRT! For some reason I got a NES and I hooked it up to the CRT but now it's in my garage, without a use, and for some reason I'm still scared of static. I always ask for help hooking up a cable in the back even when the TV's unplugged because I think it might turn in even though it won't. I am going to get a DTV box to watch antenna tv that's digital because they switched from analog to digital. But, I might get an analog transmitter even though it might be illigall. (Jk I won't I'm going to get a DTV box instead.
Is that ground spring necessary? I was poking around in my Apple IIe computer monitor, and the spring was disconnected. That thing was a nightmare to take apart and put back together, so I just let the springs hang there.
Yes, it ground the tube, its vey Important
I have a Samsung CRT from 2001. Still works perfectly... A flatscreen endures at least 9 years...
I wanna open my 27 inch to blow any distance that may be in there as I just got it and only God knows if anyone has cleaned it since 2002. Will I immediately die if I open it while unplugged it?
My 27-inch Sony Trinitron CRT has problems with the audio, every time I turn on the TV it sounds like a slight roar that accompanies the sounds, especially in the bass.
Another problem is that one of the corners of the screen has a green color that alters the color of the image in that area.
sounds like you need to move your speakers away from the tv
audio speakers arent shielded properly sometimes & this causes discoloration on the screen 😌
There is this crt tv I can use but I'm not going to b able to open it. If there is dust there can it really heat up and damage the components
Can I be on the back of a CRT TV when it’s operating and it’s not opened
One thing to keep in mind is to ALWAYS attach the draining cord to the chassis BEFORE trying to discharge the tube, otherwise you will receive the discharge yourself. EVEN if you're holding it trough the plastic part of the screwdriver because there's too much voltage. Might seem dumb, but when you're tired and frustrated about some defect it's easy to forget about it.
It's impossible to get shocked if you're holding it with the rubber/plastic part of the screwdriver. That's not how it works.
@@n646n A general screwdriver plastic part will insulate at most 1000v. A CRT can hold up to 30.000V or more depending on the size. The plastic wouldn't do much for you. It only offers a resistance to electrical flow, with enough voltage, there's electrical breakdown. Think of how air is most often an insulator, nevertheless we can see it conducting lightnings every now and then. When one is attaching the screwdriver to the TV set, if the screwdriver isn't attached to an earth point beforehand, the earth drain will be one's own body.
@@eletro_doc9529 30v isn't enough to do that.
@@n646n I'm not trying to be Mr. knows all here. I'm just trying to alert people from my mistake. I did just what I said one shouldn't do and got shocked the hardest in my life. If you wanna stick your screwdriver in your CRT without grounding it first, be my guest.
@@eletro_doc9529 30v isn't enough to "shock hardest in your life" either. I don't know why you think only 30v can go through a rubber screwdriver.
Wish I’d watched this before I got shocked 😂. I’ll take note
I should probably be grateful for being in the uk, I think it was only American models that didn't have scart inputs? (Or RGB) scart with old games consoles especially can make a large difference over composite and in some ways s-video.
If you try and adjust the picture geometry (the picture geometry is sorta bent to the left) by adjusting the yoke while the tv is on, wont you get electrified if it’s on since it’s not discharged?
He discharges it in the video.
How would you go about cleaning the caps? I was thinking 90% iso alcohol. Finally got a nice small Panasonic, I took to the internet because it had a tilted image, i found you because after I opened it it was filthy and hoped to glean some safety tips, it's mainly that this kind of older tech scares me lol they ain't small and sip power, they are massive and chug 200 watts from the wall lol
Canned air?
everything you plug in (usa) is stepping down 120v from the outlet
even if its a 5v usb charger the same care and safety protocol is to be followed if youre plugging into mains power 🙃
120v shock? unpleasant
240v? i was VERY cranky 😵💫
99% alcohol is always better.
Leave it a day or two each time switch it off? Is that why it had took so long to get a crt tv fixed?
i have a sony wega 24" and the text seems shakey and has some lighting jitteryness what could this be from?
To clean inside can I take off the back and blow it out with a leaf blower?
So what if you connect yourself to the ground on a nearby AC outlet?
Got me a new and never used little 14" CRT TV made around 2006 to use for retro gaming. There was one problem though, after about 5 minutes it shut off by itself and after I turned it on again one of the AV inputs was not available and the menu was on a foreign language plus it was only 2 languages instead of like all european. That was super weird but after I unplugged it for a while it was fine again, tested it for some hours, ran ok with no problems. Somebody know what that could have been?
I have no idea. Maybe owner just fucked with it. Or, the TV was having a moment.
Any magnets worth salvaging in this type of TV unit?
Hi not sure if you will see this comment in this old video but I'll ask anyway.
what would you do with a TV that has very bad geometry, tweak it on the tube first and then use the service menu or fix it all in the service menu and not touch the tube?
I see you used class 00 gloves which are rated for 500VAC. Is that enough to safely handle the yoke?
How would it get any higher than 120v?
Hello help me please! i cleaned my crt tv but forgot to discharg it now the crt is messed up. Is there a way to fix?
Are you from Tennessee? I know someone from there and they sound just like you.
thanks for the advice. im just about to open my first CRT and try to clean it and check for signs of damage, and hoping not to kill myself in the process. Actually i have two of them now, one is a philips and the geometry was all messed up when i got it and plugged it in. im wondering if just by plugging it in after it had sat for so long may have caused damage.. either way, appreciate the guidance.
Do you have some procedure to check x-ray emissions?
I have the gloves! Hehe thanks for being so thorough. Also have you considered setting up a patreon?
Thanks. I will be setting up a Patreon very soon. It's coming around the time of my convention, so only 2 weeks away. I'll have some big announcements about that coming.
Can this adjustment be used to move the screen higher or lower? My screen is level but the bottom of the picture is cut off because the screen is too low. Can’t find much on a fix. Thanks!
id check your service menu first bud
you can likely adjust it with your remote
I only have pvc-coated safety gloves. Would those suffice?
I've read that CRTs can hold roughly 27,000 volts when operational. Short of buying Class 3 or 4 gloves which cost hundreds of dollars, do the lower voltage Class 0 and 00 gloves like you use (500-1000v) really even protect you? I need to do some convergence, yoke and flyback adjustments to my set and I just want to stay safe but wonder if Class 0 will achieve that.
Just be a bit careful while doing it. You shouldn't be touching anything potentially lethal for convergence strips and flyback adjustments, but I'd be pretty careful around the yoke. Gloves are bad because they limit your ability to feel what you're doing, or so I've heard, and they won't really protect you at all if it's on.
@@n646n Thank you for the information! That being the case I will leave the yoke alone and do my best with just the convergence rings and strips. I may use some nitrile gloves instead as they layer nicely and are more form fitting for fiddly work.
What would be causing a single horizontal line to be displayed in the middle of the screen along with the picture?
Bad caps.
If you really want PPE for this task (which I do, but many do not), I don't think the rubber gloves shown are adequate. The voltage rating needs to be 30kV or so, which would be class 3 or 4 rated rubber insulating gloves. They are very thick and unwieldy, like space gloves or something, so I can see why many think it is just not practical. At the very least, something to where on one hand while discharging the monitor and not much more. These are several hundred dollars everywhere I have seen, and you need to send them to have them balloon tested every so often. If there is a tiny hole in the hand / finger then it will completely invalidate the glove (the arc always finds a shortest path to ground), which is why you need the leather over the top to protect the rubber. If you try to buy them for cheap on Ebay then you probably need to send them in to be tested, too, which cancels out those cost savings basically.
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Need help fixing my crt stuck on blue screen.
Steve knows CRTS!
Meanwhile there's me working and modding my CRT while it's on and running 😂 I've always have liked fixing my electronics while running
are you alive?
Why their should heigh potential at cathode tube terminal
I got hurt when I touched a high voltage cap on my TV even after overnight unplugging. I was lucky that I touched the + and - terminals across my thumb, and not across my heart.
I was changing out a 25 inch CRT from an old console TV. I forgot to discharge the CRT and when I lifted it out and leaned it against my chest to balance it, it shocked me, because I was holding the edge of the CRT by the metal edge strap. It was kinda like a thump and more startling then painful.
later model crt tv flyback has bleeder resistor to bleed the charge after off. u will be safe in 2 hours.
what does the flyback do
CRT TV used for video and DVD player only - now only sound no Image - DVD blank Video snow - Is the tube dead ? - over 10 yeqrs old !
Would anyone know why the image i get look bowed? Its a bit bowed vertically .
It's either caps or you need to adjust the vbow in service menu.
my crt samsung tantus 17" is 15 years old, is still working in my living room
Many hotels still have CRTs on their rooms and owners refuse to change to flat screen lcd/led or smart. Why? Because thiefs can't run away with them. :)
@@eldarhighelfhealermiriella7653 What if the thief is pretty strong and is a retro gamer lol
@@dew_drinking_autist Then yes lol. But then, those are rare. More rare than than those who steal the hotel towels and leave extra cash to replace them lol.
i have a 34" hdtv Tantus from 2003 I think, but ir finally died a week ago.. it does not tunr on, not even the power led.. yeah im kinda depressed cause i loved that 1080i image