Joel's pitch for Peter Parker is absolute gold. It's not Peter Parker going back to take pictures of Spider-Man, but doing something similar in that vein that gives off a similar vibe but gives a bigger importance of grandiose by having a bigger role in the Bugle rather than just a lowly photographer which he was in his teenager days, and he ISN'T anymore.
With the Iron man pitch, you could have a running gag where they try and think of names for the team of kids and Tony keeps calling them Force Works and they hate it.
The meta problem analogy = Peter Parker's deal with Mephisto. he needs to beat the devil and for Love to beat Evil. dr strange team up or daimon hellstorm
I like your ideas and Would like to see a "year two". That said i'd add two monthly (or once every two months) titles to your list that don't fit under any of the pillars really, the two are a What If revival and Marvel Comics presents. What if would be a anthology series mostly revisiting old alternate universes/futures/pasts and there characters. Stories would be short two or three issue runs like what happened in the Marvel Were-Wolves universe or what were/are the other heroes like in that Steampunk X-men world or revisit Marvel Apes or do another Noir version of a Marvel hero. Marvel Comics Presents would be a creative outlit/play ground/place to experiment for creators and would feature minor/obscure characters that a writer or artist likes who likes be they hero or villain. It would also be a used to keep some kinda popular diversity characters like Red Wolf from being out of print for years and explore various genres with in the Marvel Universe.
9:10 Thanks for setting Sal straight on Shooter, Joel. Regardless of how much people like to cite the sniveling of his staff, the "Shooter administration" put out the best work the company ever produced. And everything was on time. And continuity wasn't getting savaged every 5 weeks. Oh, how I miss the golden years.
Why does it need fixing? Everything's fine! Except the company is a burning ship with no one driving it, old readers are jumping off, a lack of creativity, and too many Goddamn events.
not to mention hamfisted attempts at shoehorning in politics where it didn't belong like this...i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/072/024/241.jpg
Oh, God. I remember when this video first came out. Five years. Five years of this. Oh, no. Thanks, recommend. Lol (And thanks for all you do, Sal and crew. Merry Christmas.)
you guys fucking rock! the fact you aren't movers and shakers at marvels saddens me because these are all great ideas i'd love to read monthly (despite what my bank acct would say). you guys should honestly make these proposals and deliver them to marvel for a modest package price where you also get "story by" credit.
Defenders for Hire would be nice if they do that like Hickman did Avengers World.. In which there were like 15+ members in the Team but only some of them were shown depending on the situation .. I remember that at the first pages of the Issue they show you which member was in the comic and which not..
Yea I like that idea of a bunch of characters in Hickman fashion. It would have to be a good writer to do it but I love that type of writing that is all over the place with characters but makes total sense.
Yay for more ideas just things to note. Cindy Moon is kind of doing something at SHIELD so she might be busy, probably leading to a SHIELD academy. For Laura I think she might be the worst person to interact on the side with x-men manor as she's avoided it since she threatened Emma Frost. She does have her own supporting cast with Gabby, Jonathan and somewhat Zelda(evil clone) Also even though these are street characters her mutant buddies from NYX and also maybe avengers academy, which could be a good alternative.
I love hearing these pitches and hate that I can't go and buy them right now. I'd love to hear a part two and what you would have in store after the one year. Great episode!!
I really like your idea, but I'd modify it a little to give the X-Men their own tier. You can use the same structure with 4 X-Men titles and a graphic novel, but each one should reflect the other genres. So you have a Street X-Men book, a Sky X-Men book, a Space X-Men book, a Supernatural X-Men book and an X-Men graphic novel. I'd do - Uncanny X-Men (Sky), and New Mutants (Street), a solo Wolverine (Supernatural), Deadpool (Space) and an X-Force Graphic novel.
Solid ideas, but a few omissions. Punisher should be swapped for Deadpool and Punisher should be the graphic novel. As much as I love an ongoing punisher book, it simply won't push the numbers that a deadpool book would bring even though I don't care for deadpool. The lineup also doesn't have a comedy book (aside from spiderman) in print. Other than that.... where the heck is Star Wars? I guess it would get its own division. Was also going to rant about the digital arm thing, but basically my idea came down to squirrel girl, spiderwoman, nova, etc (any book with 20k less sales besides squirrel girl, which would be ongoing since she reaches 30k sales) given periodic digital exclusive mini runs tied directly to marvel unlimited. Want to read squirrel girl? Better be reading through marvel unlimited, because thats the only place your going to be able to read her. Want to read about Rich Rider Nova? Give him a digital exclusive series. I guess my biggest pitch for the digital wing is to bring back the ultimates universe (or basically just a second universe). Give them free reign to produce their own continuity that doesn't have to tie into whatever yearly focus the mainline universe has. Plus, this can allow books like X-23 just to focus on X-23 things and not worry about being tied into a specific point on a timeline.
You should do a episode on what if the marvel and DC worlds were one the main worlds that been made for years interact stuck on one world with knowing both worlds basic history and a world were you make up with both company share a world and you begin on how origin story and a few changes that would happen with this change up
40:35 I would say that Matt is beat out by a villain like King Pin or Blackcat for mayor. He would then have to find a way to get him booted out of office. but the villain will have turned over a new leaf due to secret empire.
My Pitch For Marvel Is To Hired New(GOOD)Talent for Books that ain't selling well and I argeed with having different types of editors and creators for Books and Kurt Busiek as Editor For Sky & Neil Gailman as Editor For Supernatural but the Others should be Space-Dan Adentt Street-Roger Stern OGN-J Dematteis Comedy-Peter David My Pitch For X-Men Is To Put Them In a Wes Anderson Style/Environment which is like Grant Morrison Doom Patrol and the dc universe tv show or Sorta Like X-Men Grand Design Which Like A Vintage Style and them teaching and introduce new students and the designs are Alex Ross Unused/Rejected X-Men Designs But Nightcrawler Suit is Red Instead Of Blue and we gonna bring back The Blue/Gold Idea/Era From The 90s and that both teams are in Uncanny X-Men other books are which is X-Force,X-Factor,New Mutants/Generation-X/New X-Men/Young X-Men Yearbook,Excalibur so my lineup is X-Men Gold Wolverine Storm(Leader In The Field) Rogue Gambit Colossus Pyslocke Dazzler Forge Armor X-Men Blue Cyclops Marvel Woman(Jean Grey) Beast Iceman Angel/Archangel Banshee Sunfire X-Factor So will be the X-Files/District X version speaking of that it maybe called X-Files so this team is Strong Guy Madrox(Multiple Man) Wolfsbane Havok Polaris Quicksilver(Honorable) Prodigy(Honorable) Shatterstar Layla Miller X-Force(The Rick Remender & Chris Yost/Craig Kyle Version) Cable X-23 Domino Fantomex Warpath Bishop Cannonball Dr.Nemesis Emma Frost Frenzy New Mutants/Generation-X/New X-Men/Young X-Men Yearbook & Graduation Day(This Is the book that about the school and Students that Graduate) Geneis(Kid Apocalypse) Hellion Rocksilde Mercury Angle Nezhno Irma Broo
Joel's Pitch (with modification) - Black Panther: Blood Stones -- When enchanted crystals are found littered throughout Wakanda, a T'challa will have to fight a war on two fronts to keep scavengers from coming into Wakanda and dangerous demons from getting out of Limbo, all while solving the mystery of where these stones came from
My pitch for an Avengers team is Sam Wilson Cap, Tony Iron Man, Odinson Thor, Janet Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Vision, and Miles Morales but over the course of run you'd see classic Avengers like Wonderman, Black Knight, Luke Cage etc. You'd have Jarvis and Nadia Pym working tech support and Jefferson(Miles dad) as a S.H.I.E.L.D liason (they'd reinstate him post SE).
These ideas are incredible. For Sky I'd do a book where all the most iconic Black heroes team up. They could even mentor the newer ones like Miles and Riri.
Hi Joel, Black Panther And The Crew #1 was great, you should atleast try it. Theoretically if Nova where in your slate of marvel comics, Where would Nova be air, space or other? He is mostly on Earth. PS after Gwenpool happened because of the cover of Gwenpool, I would love an ultinate version of May Jane as Punisher. I hope I'll never see mayor Daredevil, and I can't live without Blue Marvel, and Ultimates was the only way to get him so it needs him so how, and Moon Knight (I might be fine if they finish the current run of Moon Knight and later makes him a main character in your Midnight Sons) but I'd love Captain America and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. as a comics, though I'd love Patriot (as Jeffrey Mace) to be in it. PS Jameson is not part of the Fact Channel anymore in the comics.
an approach that feels a lot like how Valiant is structured. i think it's a great idea. also marvel doesn't use the mini series approach enough anymore. worked like a charm in the 90's for testing out characters. use what works until they get their damn sealegs back.
Books that could make Marvel great, just my ideas so feel free to comment yours. - Bring back Brubaker (I don't care how, do it) and have him and Alex Maleev doing a Punisher book (MAX or not), have Frank tackle something related with child abuse or something involving children since Punisher has done drugs and prostitution to death but he has a soft spot about children and animals. -Bring Back Remender (same as Brubaker, do it) and have him do a Deadpool book, even people how hate Deadpool love him in his Uncanny X-force. -Duggan and Larraz (loved their Uncanny Avengers) on Amazing Spider-man and have Peter and Miles going on adventures, like they should. -Aaron and Dauterman doing the main Avengers book called Amazing Avengers (don't have the team yet). -Peter Tomasi with David Marquez doing the return of the Fantastic Four, because Tomasi gets family and knows how to keep it interesting and Marquez makes everything look pretty (look at CW2, horrible story, looks beautiful). -Soule and Garney on Captain America, Garney drew the Mark Waid years so he knows the character and Soule could do something different while making it feel new.
A bit of topic but i hope that when the main story of rebirth is done, dc will sitt down and just make a clear timeline of the universe like how they did after coie. They could even realese it like a monthly oversized book (with the dream being art by Alex Ross ), just to explain the histories of the characters and the universe and how it all works. ;D
If you want to cut back on the number of titles, but while at the same time it seems mandatory to tie in every character ever somehow, what this Marvel line-up really needs is an anthology book, i.e., "Legends of the X-Men" or whatever. A new Marvel Comics Presents. So characters from branches of the franchise that don't have a regular book can still have a book where they appear somewhat regularly, to keep people buying the comics and keep the characters active. They won't all support trades.
You guys actually make me want to read again. To bad its only a fantasy thingy. lol. Why not take it a step further, do a weekly show with fantasy stories? :p.
Things I will do,If you became Marvel's CEO: 1. New Marvel Animated Universe: A fresh start for Marvel animation, exploring new stories and characters on Disney+ and Disney XD. 2. Original Superhero/Villain: Introducing a new character to the Marvel roster, potentially shaking up the dynamics of the universe. 3. Avengers vs X-Men Live Action Movie: A long-awaited showdown between two iconic teams, promising epic battles and dramatic tension. 4. Marvel vs Capcom Anime: Collaborating with a Japanese studio to create an action-packed anime series, blending Marvel heroes with Capcom's iconic characters. 5. Marvel vs Capcom Game: Revamping the popular game series with enhanced gameplay, graphics, and a larger character roster, plus a compelling story. 6. Employee Benefits and Wages: A well-deserved boost for Marvel employees, recognizing their hard work and dedication. 7. MCU Reboot: A bold move, recasting and reimagining the Marvel Cinematic Universe with new actors and fresh storylines. 8. Stan Lee Tribute: Honoring the legendary Stan Lee's legacy by creating a program to discover and mentor young writers, similar to the Stormbreakers artist program. 9. New Writers Program: Fostering the next generation of Marvel writers, ages 18-29, to bring innovative ideas and perspectives to the table. 10. Prime Marvel Universe Reboot: A massive undertaking, rebooting the core Marvel Universe (Earth-616) with new storylines, characters, and possibilities.
I feel like the four pillars thing is a good idea, but I also feel that the mutants need their own category because the X Men are practically a second continuity onto themselves.
Recent history is evidence that the people in charge at Marvel don't know what to do. They've relaunched 3 times in the last 15 years, and a fourth time is coming up with Legacy. They tried relaunch after relaunch, but in the end, they're doing what Marvel does best....copy DC. It's obvious that this was coming, but I have to agree with Sal and Joel in this case. In my opinion, Legacy is ultimately going to go down as yet another empty, hollow relaunch. Why? Well, Sal and Joel said that too. Same people in charge still running the company the same way, still making the same bad decisions. Not to mention, no one wants to work for them.
I want to see Peter Parker bonding with the venom symbiote again, become the new agent venom or maybe a new persona, so that in way it feels like an evolution of the character, than miles can keep the name of Spider-Man and we don't have 3 or 4 Spider-Man running around in the world using the same name. Ps the people of earth 616 must be confuse when you 3 or 4 characters sharing the same superhero name at the same time.
Bad idea. Changing his persona would not be a progression it would be a digression. Besides what would be the point of him getting the symbiote at this point and why would he accept it after so many years trying to get rid of it?
ItsMichaelReid his aggression towards the symbiote created venom in the first place instead finding another way. It is character progression, him having to try and work with the symbiote like Flash Thompson did but unlike flash Peter has a dark history with it but he knows it has potential to a force for good or we could have just have regular venom again with Eddie Brock and flush about ten years worth comics down the drain!!!!!
DeltaPrime350 Again. What's the point? They start understanding each other than what story wise? See what I'm getting at? Any opportunity or idea for Spidey to understand/explore the Symbiote has been squandered, wasted or used by other characters like Flash Thompson.
ItsMichaelReid it's different with Peter because flash doesn't have the same history with it as Peter does so it would be much more of struggle and both Peter and the symbiote have history with a devil maybe they help each other fix a certain problem that has been long overdue
ItsMichaelReid also what would Peter's life be like if now having to work with the symbiote a sentient being like for example say he gets in a relationship with a girl, how would that work with symbiote. Also Peter is saving the day but now with the symbiote would it understand his morals and if not how would he teach it? There are so many story opportunities with this but if fails than it becomes a big waste but it is something that should not ignored so hastily.
Patriot leads a team of Eric O'Grady, Demolition man, Jack Russel, and Blink. The purpose of this team is to stop Hydra from going out in space to conquer worlds. I know what you're thinking.. "This team would be awful in space" Well you see, they don't know they're going to space. Due to False info (while they are still pretending to be Hydra) the Space craft launches early and in fear of dying they don't try to stop the rocket. Now trapped in space with Hydra they must sabotage Hydra's plans and also find a way home. (I'd also make it so Black Widow was the actual creator of the team, and Patriot just went with it.. you know.. it's not like he's doing anything..) I don't have a Title for the book so...
I love this idea, but I think 20 books instead of 16, also Joel Hell's Kitchen is apart of NYC so if Matt Murdock were the mayor he'd be the Mayor of all of NYC not just Hell's Kitchen
To go off that Avengers pitch here a basic idea for the starting team. 1. Captain America (Wilson): Leader 2. Thor (Foster): Second in Command 3. Human Torch (Jim Hammond): Elemental, wants to repair the legacy that Steve Rogers left after secret empire for the WWII Heroes 4. Mockingbird: Spy, After the mess up of Secret Empire she wants to take a break from spy work and be a super hero again. 5. Ant Man (Scott Lang): Comic Relief: Want to become a big time hero again and be a role model for his daughter 6. Quicksilver: Speedster, he feels like he needs to start doing more and wants to rebuild his family. 7 and 8 Wiccan and Hulkling Magic Expert/Muscle, they want to start making a real name for themselves and also with the wedding coming up want to spend time with Cassie and Quicksilver 9. Hercules: Powerhouse, He want to continue his path of being a real hero again while also trying to show what a true hero is after the events of Secret Empire and the other major events. 10. Blue Marvel Paragon/Scientist, He believes that he needs to start doing more, no more being in a lab or dealing with universal threats he wants to protect the planet.
I thought about doing Speed, however one I wanted to do a mixture of old and new characters and two that Quicksilver never had much screen time with Wiccan or Hulkling and with them getting married I figured it would be a good jumping off point for the rebuilding of the family. Plus Speed and the rest of the Young Avengers would come in eventually so it not like Speed is out of the loop, I figured that Billy and Teddy need to spend time with there Uncle.
I think that Thanos should instead have a story called Thanos: Kingpin of Space. Thanos goes back to space with the Black Order and begins flat out conquering planets and making the Black Order their leaders. He takes their riches and controls their military to conquer more planets. Once he is out of Black Order members to install as leaders, he calls upon other cosmic villains and/or creates new cosmic villains (to be used later on in other books) by finding villains on the planets he conquers. This is a Thanos who is intentionally avoiding cosmic cubes and infinity gauntlets because those never worked out for him. He is a Kingpin of space, ruling with many goons and is straight up rich. Could do a romance with Hela or Death. I think either could work but I like Hela as a romantic interest/co-ruler of the universe. Leads to a confrontation with many cosmic heroes.
So Joels Thanos pitch is just the kingpin CW 2 mini isnt it? I mean he keeps saying "hes hungry" about Thanos, much like he did whenever he talks about KingPin.
The 90s Marvel era with individual lines under Bob Harras did not end well. Most of that was Harras being a bad E.I.C. but the various lines meant interaction was dead and competition between lines was out of hand.
something like the punisher pitch happened with a different ending. punisher chased down someone killing gangsters before he got to them except it ended up being wolverine so he shot him in the face, dick, then set him on fire. marvel knights punisher I believe
Street - Joel
Sky - Sal
Space - Rob
Supernatural - Tiff
Comment from half a decade later - I'd switch Joel and Sal.
Joel's pitch for Peter Parker is absolute gold. It's not Peter Parker going back to take pictures of Spider-Man, but doing something similar in that vein that gives off a similar vibe but gives a bigger importance of grandiose by having a bigger role in the Bugle rather than just a lowly photographer which he was in his teenager days, and he ISN'T anymore.
Screw fixing Marvel. I want a ComicPOP publishing company with this idea.
+Mercy's Little Show This is an idea! Thank you, Mercy ;)
With the Iron man pitch, you could have a running gag where they try and think of names for the team of kids and Tony keeps calling them Force Works and they hate it.
It is time to rebuild this House of Ideas! Get Doom to be the Man in the Wall.
The meta problem analogy = Peter Parker's deal with Mephisto. he needs to beat the devil and for Love to beat Evil. dr strange team up or daimon hellstorm
Killer pitch: Council of Reeds vs Council of Ricks lol
No Infinity Gauntlets or Ultimate Nullifiers will save them from The Machine of Unspeakable Doom!
I just realized Dan Abnett wrote some of the really good Warhammer 40k books. He is really talented.
I like your ideas and Would like to see a "year two". That said i'd add two monthly (or once every two months) titles to your list that don't fit under any of the pillars really, the two are a What If revival and Marvel Comics presents.
What if would be a anthology series mostly revisiting old alternate universes/futures/pasts and there characters. Stories would be short two or three issue runs like what happened in the Marvel Were-Wolves universe or what were/are the other heroes like in that Steampunk X-men world or revisit Marvel Apes or do another Noir version of a Marvel hero.
Marvel Comics Presents would be a creative outlit/play ground/place to experiment for creators and would feature minor/obscure characters that a writer or artist likes who likes be they hero or villain. It would also be a used to keep some kinda popular diversity characters like Red Wolf from being out of print for years and explore various genres with in the Marvel Universe.
9:10 Thanks for setting Sal straight on Shooter, Joel.
Regardless of how much people like to cite the sniveling of his staff, the "Shooter administration" put out the best work the company ever produced. And everything was on time. And continuity wasn't getting savaged every 5 weeks.
Oh, how I miss the golden years.
That's not how their conversation went, though?
Why does it need fixing? Everything's fine! Except the company is a burning ship with no one driving it, old readers are jumping off, a lack of creativity, and too many Goddamn events.
not to mention hamfisted attempts at shoehorning in politics where it didn't belong like this...i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/072/024/241.jpg
IamLucky87 Oh yeah, how did I forget that?
Pricey Yeti443980 Well looks like it's going back to before
Corey Lucas Nothing wrong with that
I love the fans that are in denial like you lol
I would just Hulk back into space. he doesn't even have to go back to sakaar, just send him hopping around space fighting cool aliens.
Oh, God. I remember when this video first came out. Five years. Five years of this. Oh, no. Thanks, recommend. Lol
(And thanks for all you do, Sal and crew. Merry Christmas.)
you guys fucking rock! the fact you aren't movers and shakers at marvels saddens me because these are all great ideas i'd love to read monthly (despite what my bank acct would say). you guys should honestly make these proposals and deliver them to marvel for a modest package price where you also get "story by" credit.
Fix OMD. Undo it. That would fix...oh, I don't know, just about EVERYTHING!
Defenders for Hire would be nice if they do that like Hickman did Avengers World.. In which there were like 15+ members in the Team but only some of them were shown depending on the situation .. I remember that at the first pages of the Issue they show you which member was in the comic and which not..
Yea I like that idea of a bunch of characters in Hickman fashion. It would have to be a good writer to do it but I love that type of writing that is all over the place with characters but makes total sense.
Yay for more ideas just things to note.
Cindy Moon is kind of doing something at SHIELD so she might be busy, probably leading to a SHIELD academy.
For Laura I think she might be the worst person to interact on the side with x-men manor as she's avoided it since she threatened Emma Frost. She does have her own supporting cast with Gabby, Jonathan and somewhat Zelda(evil clone) Also even though these are street characters her mutant buddies from NYX and also maybe avengers academy, which could be a good alternative.
It would be great to hear your alternate/year 2 ideas Sal. I volunteer for MvC ideas!
I love hearing these pitches and hate that I can't go and buy them right now. I'd love to hear a part two and what you would have in store after the one year. Great episode!!
Do a year two! This was great and very creative. I would love to see y'all do an amalgam universe reboot or revisit.
This is definitely one of my favorite elseworlds podcasts which is really saying something. I would buy all the books you pitched.
Definitely give this a part two or three or four!! There's nothing better than sal and Joel pitching comics and storylines!!
I really like your idea, but I'd modify it a little to give the X-Men their own tier. You can use the same structure with 4 X-Men titles and a graphic novel, but each one should reflect the other genres. So you have a Street X-Men book, a Sky X-Men book, a Space X-Men book, a Supernatural X-Men book and an X-Men graphic novel. I'd do - Uncanny X-Men (Sky), and New Mutants (Street), a solo Wolverine (Supernatural), Deadpool (Space) and an X-Force Graphic novel.
Busiek is writing Autumnlands and of course Astro City, which is always awesome...
Solid ideas, but a few omissions. Punisher should be swapped for Deadpool and Punisher should be the graphic novel. As much as I love an ongoing punisher book, it simply won't push the numbers that a deadpool book would bring even though I don't care for deadpool. The lineup also doesn't have a comedy book (aside from spiderman) in print. Other than that.... where the heck is Star Wars? I guess it would get its own division. Was also going to rant about the digital arm thing, but basically my idea came down to squirrel girl, spiderwoman, nova, etc (any book with 20k less sales besides squirrel girl, which would be ongoing since she reaches 30k sales) given periodic digital exclusive mini runs tied directly to marvel unlimited. Want to read squirrel girl? Better be reading through marvel unlimited, because thats the only place your going to be able to read her. Want to read about Rich Rider Nova? Give him a digital exclusive series.
I guess my biggest pitch for the digital wing is to bring back the ultimates universe (or basically just a second universe). Give them free reign to produce their own continuity that doesn't have to tie into whatever yearly focus the mainline universe has. Plus, this can allow books like X-23 just to focus on X-23 things and not worry about being tied into a specific point on a timeline.
If you do plan on doing a part 2 to this video because this is great and I would definitely listen to this for 4+ hours
You should do a episode on what if the marvel and DC worlds were one the main worlds that been made for years interact stuck on one world with knowing both worlds basic history and a world were you make up with both company share a world and you begin on how origin story and a few changes that would happen with this change up
That Punisher pitch reminds me of an idea of what to do with the Question and Rorschach after DC Rebirth.
40:35 I would say that Matt is beat out by a villain like King Pin or Blackcat for mayor. He would then have to find a way to get him booted out of office. but the villain will have turned over a new leaf due to secret empire.
My favorite part of just about every podcast is when Sal cracks open a Coke Zero.
oh my god. this is absolutely brilliant. I love the pillars and daredevil pitch.
My Pitch For Marvel
Is To Hired New(GOOD)Talent for Books that ain't selling well and I argeed with having different types of editors and creators for Books and Kurt Busiek as Editor For Sky & Neil Gailman as Editor For Supernatural but the Others should be
Space-Dan Adentt
Street-Roger Stern
OGN-J Dematteis
Comedy-Peter David
My Pitch For X-Men
Is To Put Them In a Wes Anderson Style/Environment which is like Grant Morrison Doom Patrol and the dc universe tv show or Sorta Like X-Men Grand Design Which Like A Vintage Style and them teaching and introduce new students and the designs are Alex Ross Unused/Rejected X-Men Designs But Nightcrawler Suit is Red Instead Of Blue and we gonna bring back The Blue/Gold Idea/Era From The 90s and that both teams are in Uncanny X-Men other books are which is X-Force,X-Factor,New Mutants/Generation-X/New X-Men/Young X-Men Yearbook,Excalibur so my lineup is
X-Men Gold
Wolverine
Storm(Leader In The Field)
Rogue
Gambit
Colossus
Pyslocke
Dazzler
Forge
Armor
X-Men Blue
Cyclops
Marvel Woman(Jean Grey)
Beast
Iceman
Angel/Archangel
Banshee
Sunfire
X-Factor
So will be the X-Files/District X version speaking of that it maybe called X-Files so this team is
Strong Guy
Madrox(Multiple Man)
Wolfsbane
Havok
Polaris
Quicksilver(Honorable)
Prodigy(Honorable)
Shatterstar
Layla Miller
X-Force(The Rick Remender & Chris Yost/Craig Kyle Version)
Cable
X-23
Domino
Fantomex
Warpath
Bishop
Cannonball
Dr.Nemesis
Emma Frost
Frenzy
New Mutants/Generation-X/New X-Men/Young X-Men Yearbook & Graduation Day(This Is the book that about the school and Students that Graduate)
Geneis(Kid Apocalypse)
Hellion
Rocksilde
Mercury
Angle
Nezhno
Irma
Broo
marvel should seriously hire u guys.
otis cunningham you see, that would actually mean that the comics would be good and Marvel doesn't want that
Amazing show guys! Next time don't rush it, I could watch u guys do this for hours every week!
Joel's Pitch (with modification) - Black Panther: Blood Stones -- When enchanted crystals are found littered throughout Wakanda, a T'challa will have to fight a war on two fronts to keep scavengers from coming into Wakanda and dangerous demons from getting out of Limbo, all while solving the mystery of where these stones came from
My pitch for an Avengers team is Sam Wilson Cap, Tony Iron Man, Odinson Thor, Janet Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Vision, and Miles Morales but over the course of run you'd see classic Avengers like Wonderman, Black Knight, Luke Cage etc. You'd have Jarvis and Nadia Pym working tech support and Jefferson(Miles dad) as a S.H.I.E.L.D liason (they'd reinstate him post SE).
These ideas are so awesome. The worst thing is that this won't happen. Although I think sorrentino should draw the punisher.
And year two, yes.
I approve of that Planet Express shirt, you guys should do a Futurama episode
These ideas are incredible. For Sky I'd do a book where all the most iconic Black heroes team up. They could even mentor the newer ones like Miles and Riri.
Yay for Marvel Foundation 2
Please do Year 2 of Marvel Foundation! I loved this and would read them all honestly.
Hi Joel, Black Panther And The Crew #1 was great, you should atleast try it.
Theoretically if Nova where in your slate of marvel comics, Where would Nova be air, space or other? He is mostly on Earth.
PS after Gwenpool happened because of the cover of Gwenpool, I would love an ultinate version of May Jane as Punisher.
I hope I'll never see mayor Daredevil,
and I can't live without Blue Marvel, and Ultimates was the only way to get him so it needs him so how, and Moon Knight (I might be fine if they finish the current run of Moon Knight and later makes him a main character in your Midnight Sons)
but I'd love Captain America and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. as a comics, though I'd love Patriot (as Jeffrey Mace) to be in it.
PS Jameson is not part of the Fact Channel anymore in the comics.
an approach that feels a lot like how Valiant is structured. i think it's a great idea. also marvel doesn't use the mini series approach enough anymore. worked like a charm in the 90's for testing out characters. use what works until they get their damn sealegs back.
Books that could make Marvel great, just my ideas so feel free to comment yours.
- Bring back Brubaker (I don't care how, do it) and have him and Alex Maleev doing a Punisher book (MAX or not), have Frank tackle something related with child abuse or something involving children since Punisher has done drugs and prostitution to death but he has a soft spot about children and animals.
-Bring Back Remender (same as Brubaker, do it) and have him do a Deadpool book, even people how hate Deadpool love him in his Uncanny X-force.
-Duggan and Larraz (loved their Uncanny Avengers) on Amazing Spider-man and have Peter and Miles going on adventures, like they should.
-Aaron and Dauterman doing the main Avengers book called Amazing Avengers (don't have the team yet).
-Peter Tomasi with David Marquez doing the return of the Fantastic Four, because Tomasi gets family and knows how to keep it interesting and Marquez makes everything look pretty (look at CW2, horrible story, looks beautiful).
-Soule and Garney on Captain America, Garney drew the Mark Waid years so he knows the character and Soule could do something different while making it feel new.
Live To Rock That Punisher series sounds like the best thing ever. Nice idea.
Thanks, any ideas of your owns? I loved this kinda topics so feel free to throw any dream teams for books you have.
that cap and deardevil sounds so god dammit sal why you make me want this
Matt Murdock as Final Fight's Mike Haggar sounds fun
I really like these ideas. It's so clean and is the opposite of things i really hate about comic companies.
yeah sounds cool, I miss the fantastic four and She-Hulk is my favorite character I like Sots and Byrne's runs best.
A bit of topic but i hope that when the main story of rebirth is done, dc will sitt down and just make a clear timeline of the universe like how they did after coie. They could even realese it like a monthly oversized book (with the dream being art by Alex Ross ), just to explain the histories of the characters and the universe and how it all works. ;D
My thought for Spideys first year or two, let him mentor Miles and have Miles be Spidey. While Pete gets his life together and fixes things with MJ.
If you want to cut back on the number of titles, but while at the same time it seems mandatory to tie in every character ever somehow, what this Marvel line-up really needs is an anthology book, i.e., "Legends of the X-Men" or whatever. A new Marvel Comics Presents. So characters from branches of the franchise that don't have a regular book can still have a book where they appear somewhat regularly, to keep people buying the comics and keep the characters active. They won't all support trades.
I really dig Joel' pitch for the punisher, but yeah I'd like to see an old tired punisher that's a Vietnam vet
Love the pitches you gave, cannot wait for year 2. So year 2 is a yes for me.
You guys actually make me want to read again. To bad its only a fantasy thingy. lol.
Why not take it a step further, do a weekly show with fantasy stories? :p.
Things I will do,If you became Marvel's CEO:
1. New Marvel Animated Universe: A fresh start for Marvel animation, exploring new stories and characters on Disney+ and Disney XD.
2. Original Superhero/Villain: Introducing a new character to the Marvel roster, potentially shaking up the dynamics of the universe.
3. Avengers vs X-Men Live Action Movie: A long-awaited showdown between two iconic teams, promising epic battles and dramatic tension.
4. Marvel vs Capcom Anime: Collaborating with a Japanese studio to create an action-packed anime series, blending Marvel heroes with Capcom's iconic characters.
5. Marvel vs Capcom Game: Revamping the popular game series with enhanced gameplay, graphics, and a larger character roster, plus a compelling story.
6. Employee Benefits and Wages: A well-deserved boost for Marvel employees, recognizing their hard work and dedication.
7. MCU Reboot: A bold move, recasting and reimagining the Marvel Cinematic Universe with new actors and fresh storylines.
8. Stan Lee Tribute: Honoring the legendary Stan Lee's legacy by creating a program to discover and mentor young writers, similar to the Stormbreakers artist program.
9. New Writers Program: Fostering the next generation of Marvel writers, ages 18-29, to bring innovative ideas and perspectives to the table.
10. Prime Marvel Universe Reboot: A massive undertaking, rebooting the core Marvel Universe (Earth-616) with new storylines, characters, and possibilities.
I want hitop films directing the next Spider-Man movie, and Sal and Joel taking over marvel comics. End of discussion
Neil Gaiman as a Supernatural Editor? I'm down with that idea!
I didn't like Coulson being in the books initially. But as the head of shield it'd be nice to have a S.H.I.E.L.D that cooperates with the heroes.
Personally in my opinion i would love to have Gerry Conway to write amazing spider-man way over dan slott nonsense
More than happy to hear the year 2 ideas when you're ready
Great discussion! I would gladly grab some of those books!
I feel like the four pillars thing is a good idea, but I also feel that the mutants need their own category because the X Men are practically a second continuity onto themselves.
Thinking about it, mutants would only get to books, X Men and (insert second X-Book here(
King Thor and the Journey into Mystery
Great idea Guys ... Hope you're listening Marvel
Love how organized this idea was
Recent history is evidence that the people in charge at Marvel don't know what to do. They've relaunched 3 times in the last 15 years, and a fourth time is coming up with Legacy. They tried relaunch after relaunch, but in the end, they're doing what Marvel does best....copy DC. It's obvious that this was coming, but I have to agree with Sal and Joel in this case. In my opinion, Legacy is ultimately going to go down as yet another empty, hollow relaunch. Why? Well, Sal and Joel said that too. Same people in charge still running the company the same way, still making the same bad decisions. Not to mention, no one wants to work for them.
This was great. A nice pitch-down.
Do you think Garth ennis would ever come back to the punisher? What's he doing right now?
i finally got an ad feels like it's been so long
I want to see Peter Parker bonding with the venom symbiote again, become the new agent venom or maybe a new persona, so that in way it feels like an evolution of the character, than miles can keep the name of Spider-Man and we don't have 3 or 4 Spider-Man running around in the world using the same name. Ps the people of earth 616 must be confuse when you 3 or 4 characters sharing the same superhero name at the same time.
Bad idea. Changing his persona would not be a progression it would be a digression. Besides what would be the point of him getting the symbiote at this point and why would he accept it after so many years trying to get rid of it?
ItsMichaelReid his aggression towards the symbiote created venom in the first place instead finding another way. It is character progression, him having to try and work with the symbiote like Flash Thompson did but unlike flash Peter has a dark history with it but he knows it has potential to a force for good or we could have just have regular venom again with Eddie Brock and flush about ten years worth comics down the drain!!!!!
DeltaPrime350 Again. What's the point? They start understanding each other than what story wise? See what I'm getting at? Any opportunity or idea for Spidey to understand/explore the Symbiote has been squandered, wasted or used by other characters like Flash Thompson.
ItsMichaelReid it's different with Peter because flash doesn't have the same history with it as Peter does so it would be much more of struggle and both Peter and the symbiote have history with a devil maybe they help each other fix a certain problem that has been long overdue
ItsMichaelReid also what would Peter's life be like if now having to work with the symbiote a sentient being like for example say he gets in a relationship with a girl, how would that work with symbiote. Also Peter is saving the day but now with the symbiote would it understand his morals and if not how would he teach it? There are so many story opportunities with this but if fails than it becomes a big waste but it is something that should not ignored so hastily.
I feel like toward the end sal is like come on Joel, spit it out. Joel keeps fanboying on his ideas, awesome video though.
I loved this topic. Foundation part Deux can't wait!
Halfway though I forgot all of it was made up :(
love that FF issue behind Sal!
Patriot leads a team of Eric O'Grady, Demolition man, Jack Russel, and Blink. The purpose of this team is to stop Hydra from going out in space to conquer worlds. I know what you're thinking.. "This team would be awful in space" Well you see, they don't know they're going to space. Due to False info (while they are still pretending to be Hydra) the Space craft launches early and in fear of dying they don't try to stop the rocket. Now trapped in space with Hydra they must sabotage Hydra's plans and also find a way home. (I'd also make it so Black Widow was the actual creator of the team, and Patriot just went with it.. you know.. it's not like he's doing anything..) I don't have a Title for the book so...
That whole Peter buying pictires? No.
i was looking forward to watching this and i wasn't disappointed.
I love this idea, but I think 20 books instead of 16, also Joel Hell's Kitchen is apart of NYC so if Matt Murdock were the mayor he'd be the Mayor of all of NYC not just Hell's Kitchen
So it’s 5 yrs later, we need a new pitch!!!
I want to hear the pitch for foundation year 2.
You should do a Year 2 of this for sure
imagine bullseye getting the iron fist power XD that'd be fun to read
I would love to see year two of this
To go off that Avengers pitch here a basic idea for the starting team.
1. Captain America (Wilson): Leader
2. Thor (Foster): Second in Command
3. Human Torch (Jim Hammond): Elemental, wants to repair the legacy that Steve Rogers left after secret empire for the WWII Heroes
4. Mockingbird: Spy, After the mess up of Secret Empire she wants to take a break from spy work and be a super hero again.
5. Ant Man (Scott Lang): Comic Relief: Want to become a big time hero again and be a role model for his daughter
6. Quicksilver: Speedster, he feels like he needs to start doing more and wants to rebuild his family.
7 and 8 Wiccan and Hulkling Magic Expert/Muscle, they want to start making a real name for themselves and also with the wedding coming up want to spend time with Cassie and Quicksilver
9. Hercules: Powerhouse, He want to continue his path of being a real hero again while also trying to show what a true hero is after the events of Secret Empire and the other major events.
10. Blue Marvel Paragon/Scientist, He believes that he needs to start doing more, no more being in a lab or dealing with universal threats he wants to protect the planet.
I like I like
Well this made my day
Alex R Why not Speed instead of Quicksilver
I thought about doing Speed, however one I wanted to do a mixture of old and new characters and two that Quicksilver never had much screen time with Wiccan or Hulkling and with them getting married I figured it would be a good jumping off point for the rebuilding of the family. Plus Speed and the rest of the Young Avengers would come in eventually so it not like Speed is out of the loop, I figured that Billy and Teddy need to spend time with there Uncle.
I think that Thanos should instead have a story called Thanos: Kingpin of Space. Thanos goes back to space with the Black Order and begins flat out conquering planets and making the Black Order their leaders. He takes their riches and controls their military to conquer more planets. Once he is out of Black Order members to install as leaders, he calls upon other cosmic villains and/or creates new cosmic villains (to be used later on in other books) by finding villains on the planets he conquers. This is a Thanos who is intentionally avoiding cosmic cubes and infinity gauntlets because those never worked out for him. He is a Kingpin of space, ruling with many goons and is straight up rich. Could do a romance with Hela or Death. I think either could work but I like Hela as a romantic interest/co-ruler of the universe. Leads to a confrontation with many cosmic heroes.
what is the show that you and joel are talking about at the beginning of the show?
Mystery Science Theater 3000
Thanks for clearing that up
They were talking about Mystery Science Theater 3000, which just got a Netflix new season.
So Joels Thanos pitch is just the kingpin CW 2 mini isnt it? I mean he keeps saying "hes hungry" about Thanos, much like he did whenever he talks about KingPin.
The 90s Marvel era with individual lines under Bob Harras did not end well. Most of that was Harras being a bad E.I.C. but the various lines meant interaction was dead and competition between lines was out of hand.
Put Attilan on Mars and a Kree Colony too.
Please do year 2.
Give us year 2 with new books and possibly new characters if you have time
what do u mean by godfather?
Esteban Hughell Waid couldn't write any books since he is in charge of the Graphic Novels section, one of their Ideas.
I have an idea to call the Sky level publication, Marvel Icons
I'm really liking this marvel pitch
Pretty much agree Sal and Joel on this one. Marvel needs a lot of fixing with their comics right now
yes year 2
I like this episode. . . You should do a DC version of this in a year or so. After the Watchman crossover ☺
something like the punisher pitch happened with a different ending. punisher chased down someone killing gangsters before he got to them except it ended up being wolverine so he shot him in the face, dick, then set him on fire. marvel knights punisher I believe
Man, I still really dig these ideas
rifftax rules!!!
I really want some classic stuff. Not to fancy on the new avengers and x-men.