Cloud Engineer vs DevOps Engineer - Differences and Overlaps of tasks and responsibilities
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2024
- Differences and Overlaps of Cloud and DevOps Engineer Roles as well as deep dive of Cloud Engineer Tasks and Responsibilities
DevOps engineer and Cloud engineer are 2 popular roles in software engineering. But there is a lot of mix up of these two roles and many people and many companies often use them interchangeably. They mix the tasks and responsibilities of these two very often. For example there are plenty of job descriptions for "DevOps Cloud Engineer" or "Cloud DevOps Engineer", which would naturally make you think that they are the same role, but then why would you have two names for the same role? And that's exactly what I'm going to discuss and clarify in this video.
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0:00 - Intro and why people mix up these two roles?
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Hope this video was helpful and that it gave you more clarity around these 2 roles! 😊 Do you work as a DevOps or Cloud engineer and see also the confusion and mix-up? Please share your experience and view on this topic, I’m sure it’s valuable for other viewers 😊
Hi Nana! Thank you for video. Did you watched the last Fireship video about Cloud buisness? ) I would like to hear your opinion.
Great Video, thanks for all the information!
Funny enough DevOps as a profession has no boundary. Companies will have you doing whatever suits them. Whether cloud or Devops, your task is dependent on whatever your company defines your role
That’s why you interview the company as well. If a job pushes you around doing things you didn’t sign up for (without additional compensation), then it might not be a good fit
Agree to that!
@@bongimusprime7981 well said.
Yes we have to keep educating leaders in our teams and set boundaries as this role is very new for a lot of people.
I might be wrong but I almost never say no to anything. I've how pipelines to deploy applications of all kinds, infrastructure and, also, databases using terraform and cloudFormation and even develop apis, cronjobs, front using python, node and typescript... It's hard but gives you the opportunity to learn A LOT.
Companies be like : I don't see the difference. 1 guy can do it all.
Agree 😄
They are like why cannot a full stack engineer do everything
Lol double the pay since they have two jobs to do
@@bsbedfordfor real
I once saw a job opening for fresh graduates with the following requirements ; good knowledge of a front-end web framework and a backend framework, good knowledge in SQL databases , must know kubernets and docker
Now we need a Cloud Engineer vs Solutions Architect - Differences and Overlaps video! Lol. Seems to be a bit of overlap there as well! Great video, Nana. Thank you!
This is a great video. As a cloud engineer, I have seen how many people and companies can confuse the two roles. I think if I get questions on the differences, I'll just point them to this video as it's clear with enough detailed information to define the differences as well as the intersection of roles. Also, as a side note, my official title is "Senior Cloud Architect", although internally I am referred to as a Cloud Integrator. Ultimately, though, my role is that of a Cloud Engineer, so there's a lot of confusion even in my employer (a large telecommunications company).
I am a Cloud Devops Engineer. With my roles and responsibilities, I can confirm that you are on point. From my experience so far, the focus for Devops = CI/CD, Cloud = IAC.
Thanks for your feedback, appreciate it!
@ventin75 hi! can you recommend a laptop . i want to learn/career shift to cloud engineering.
@@LhoneWalker get a laptop with minimum16gb ram and 256gb SSD.
Hi, what was your previous role before getting to cloud devops engineer? I am confused right now if I should choose system administration or software development as my first job.
@@anuvindm2092if your end goal is to become a dev ops engineer, go with software engineer/developer role first. System administration is the other path for cloud engineer.
Based on my experience working at Amazon (AWS) as an SDE for almost 9 years, that role pretty much does everything. To manage some of the cloud engineering specifics better like security, production saftey, cost monitoring, etc there are internal processes that services had to go through to check that they were following the best practices and not slipping up somewhere.
1:11 "Change light bulbs in the office"
You forgot to add "Fixing printers" 😂😂
I do not work in any of these fields, but I'm currently studying to be a cloud engineer via AWS. I just graduated from their re/start program, and say for the CCP exam today, and I passed!!!! I'm sure I was driving my instructor crazy trying to understand the difference between these two. Thanks for this video.
Awesome explanation of this super common question! 👏
wow.. you are also here :)
Why don't you have official tick?
Thank you Lucy! 😊
Great Video Nana! Well explained. I loved your Docker and Kubernetes course btw!
I'm more amazed by your putting-a-presentation-together skills🤯
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Sometimes software engineers or programmers get devOps tasks, too. Employers expect them to know Ci/Cd and the cloud. It would be easier for the companies if one person knew every existing technology, but it is rather impossible. I think it is better to have various specialists in the team.
Job duty creep will keep happening until people learn to say "No".
Small businesses work with the same methodology
Thanks for this, I will show this video to recruiters because many of them dont know the difference between the two roles. They always contact me about DevOps roles when I am a Cloud Engineer.
I work as a DevOps engineer in my company and yeah most of the time I do a lot of infrastructure management as well. Like you mentioned, the parts that have to do with the application deployment.
Thanks for this informative video
Good day pls is it possible to land remote DevOps jobs in Europe from Nigeria...
The video highlights various tasks related to cloud engineering, such as planning, cataloging services, and price optimization. However, due to the blurry boundaries between the roles of cloud engineer and solution architect, some of these tasks, such as solution architecture, may fall under the responsibility of both roles. In general, cloud engineers focus more on the implementation and operation of cloud services, while solution architects are more involved in the design and planning of cloud solutions.
Excellent explanation. I have worn both hats, DevOps and Cloud Engineer. These roles can even get merged when working for startups or small companies. It's been a wonderful journey so far :)
Thank you Noe for your feedback and sharing your experience in this topic! Happy you enjoy your work! :)
Exactly. Had this experience working for a small company working as Devops/cloud engineer and now moved to bigger company where I work as a platform engineer and still perform some devops task when needed
@@bertrandyangni9862 hi Bertrand i need some information transitting to devops as a software engineer. can we connect?
thank you so much for this! i studied both devops and cloud computing in during my acadmic years and now im working as a devops engineer and i always wanted a break down video about the specific differences
Ya
Well educative video as always Nana. I think it depends on the size of the Organisation. Small companies oftentimes just hire a DevOps engineer and combine all the Cloud engineering tasks on the individual. For medium to large companies with several employees and servers, they have separate Cloud engineers and Architect to manage the Cloud infrastructure, and separate DevOps engineers to manage the software release process. Welldone for the explanations 🎉
Thank you John for the feedback and sharing your take on this. I agree with that! 👍
Yeah exactly so. I work for a small startup company so most of the time I develop applications and also setup CI/CD pipelines and manage the infrastructure as well. It's kind of too much but I get to learn a lot of things while doing it.
Thanks for making this video nana,
Most of the small or medium size companies hires DevOps Engineer with the cloud knowledge,so they can perform both task. Usually Large size companies only hire these both different roles.
Really informative, thanks 🙏
My pleasure Tirth! Thanks for sharing your insights in this!
Your Explanation was on point.... very good insight
Thank you for this, Nana. I now know that I work 2 different jobs: DevOps and Cloud Engineering. In addition, this video has shown me who a Cloud Engineer really is
Thanks, that was really helpful!
Thanks for this video, very informative. I recently applied for a cloud engineer role and had an interview task to create a demo API and deploy it to a custom VPC on AWS. Rather than focus on the architecture of the infrastructure setup, I focused on building the app and writing a terraform script to create the VPC, and auto-deploy the API to one instance on a public subnet inside the VPC.
I was not hired for the job.
But, through this video, I now understand why I was not hired. I approached the task from a Devops Engineer's perspective rather than a Cloud Engineer's perspective. Thanks Nana.
Thanks for sharing your thought but how would you have done it differently now that you have learnt your lesson. Pls share so someone can learn from it.
Next time, for a cloud role interview, I would focus on designing & creating a VPC with instances that are spread across several regions for High Availability. I will also focus on making a decision for a database that can be secured inside a private subnet and that can be horizontally scaled across instances. Then I will probably draw an architecture diagram to present my solution. I will do these things first before going on to create my API and dockerizing it to deploy to the instances. This way, even if you don't complete the task in the alloted time, you would have put more focus on the Cloud Engineer related parts of the task than the Devops Engineering side of things. Also, I will do these because these were the exact things my opposing candidate did and won approval from the interviewer.
Great job! As always!
As usual great work. 🎉As a DevOps Engineer even I used to interchangeably use DevOps/Cloud Engineer to crack interviews but at the same time I knew taking up both will have an impact on my WLB. I used to be very vocal to my Managers about the differences and had to fight for it to convince them DevOps and Cloud Engineering are separate roles. Next time I will just forward your video 😅
WLB?
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@@ammarhassan4571 Thanks
Hello, I'm from Brazil. I'm learning English. Your content is very good. You speak very clearly, making it easy to understand. Congratulations!
I adore you way of teaching and sharing knowledge.
Concepts well explained and articulated.
I find it very engaging and easy understand when you teach.
Thanks a million.
Thanks for another clear and informative video. Finding your channel amidst tons of others is a relief.
I'm an experienced software developer and want to get into devops and it looks like i have to know cloud engineering as a strong foundation. Could you please suggest a course i can take? I'm targeting AWS. Thanks.
Thank you so much for this. Very simple and straightforward
Perfect explanation and clarification!
I'm about to start as the manager of a small (but soon to grow) DevOps team. It;s pretty clear that they are really the Cloud Engs right now, the 'release' team is legacy and not DevOps at all. These are things that I will be working toward. I appreciate the clear overview of this topic, even though I have been doing this for many, many years.
I would love to learn devops
Thanks Tony for your feedback and your valuable inputs on this!
Thank you Nana, this video explains so well ❤❤
Thank you so much for this super informative video 🙏🏻
This video has been as clear as possible on this subject... Thank you very much for the quality of the video and its content.... But I have a question. Does a Dev Ops Enginner necessarily have to master a cloud platform? Since most companies require the Dev Ops Enginner to ensure the setup of the cloud environment.
I can imagine there being a DevOps team where all of this is handled, but some people specializing more on the cloud services side.
Thank you, very clear and informative video. 👍🏽
I am completely agreed with you. In these days, management expecting Devops Engineer will do all the short cloud infrastructure setup and taking care of build and release activity.
Thanks for sharing!
Great comparison!
Wouldn’t you like to make a video that compares Solution Architect, Cloud Architect, Enterprise Architect and Software Architect roles?
I believe that would be interesting for many people out here 💪
Thanks for your feedback and suggestion! Will definitely consider it! :)
Agree ❤
I agree
Very well explained. Thanks, Nana! 👏
Thanks Eeshan, happy to hear :)
When hiring people to my team, I make sure that I can get as much from both worlds as possible. Since it's hard to find talented unicorns these days my only option is to break the responsibility silos for each role and combine parts from each role, depending on the candidate's background. Both ultimately fulfill the goal of delivering up-to-date software fast and often, ensuring quality and consistency at the same time keeping the infrastructure healthy and running reliably.
Thanks, insightful comparison 👍
Thanks Muhammad, happy it was helpful!
Your all videos are helpful always and I am using in my daily work DevOps tasks. 🙏🏿❤️💯
very clear and helpful! thanks nana
Great video! companies need to see this. 😃
Thanks Armand! Please share it with whoever you think should see this 😊
thank you Nana you are the best
awesome, thank you very much
hello nana, i'm following you since Senegal. I like all your videos. They help me so much
I would like to look so much a video in Sonarkube.
If u mention certifications for particular job roles as well its looks more good but nice explanation thanku
This video clear my confusion and understand that i am in wrong track now. 😂😂
My 6 years of experience with cloud engineering and administration but last year switched to DevOps engineer and getting bored with managing releases whole day 😢😢😢, you are exactly correct that 20 percent aws cloud, monitoring and terraform is there but that portion is already stable, no further activity required. If you can suggest any better role for future that would be great help. Thanks ❤❤
Nice video as always...in today's market this is getting more confusing also now Platform and SRE is also being added..this video is a good reference point
Happy to hear! Platform engineering video comes out next month, where I talk also about comparison between these roles as well 👍
@@TechWorldwithNana no doubt abt it...Looking forward to it..1m subs soon
Great explanation! Just a quick question if you can spare some time.
So does it mean cloud engineers also have knowledge of other open source tools and how to integrate them with their cloud services and does it also mean that they have no knowledge or business with automating the release processes?
You are awesome ❤❤
Great. Thanks
One more point to add from management point.
The managers must have full knowledge of how devops engineers can do infrastructure scaling. They must have technology background to ensure faster success.
Thanks, That was great.
Interesting my Cloud DevOps role does all of the cloud engineer role as you said. I don't see the need for a normal cloud engineer. Before watching this, I thought they would have done all of their deployments via the gui only where in DevOps we would use IAC
Very helpful!
Hello Nina, I would like to ask for your advice with regards to certification: would passing the AWS SysOps Associate be a good stepping stone to become a Cloud Engineer?
Hi Nana, nice video, I have a question, for example, I am working as a machine learning engineer and have a opportunity to role switch to DevOps engineer with (MLOps task). Is it better from future prospective like I have knowledge of data science and algorithms but not anything about production environment or deployment. How do you see this?
Nana, are you planning for a video(s) about the DevOps Release Engineer role in SAFe framework and using the release process within the Azure DevOps tool!
As a Cloud Engineer, everyone keeps asking me for DevOps stuff, and I can only provide them with the bare minimum, and then they complain about what I am being paid for! 🤣🤣
The primary goal of cloud engineering is to ensure software engineers have to coordinate with a separate team to outsource rental hardware access.
The primary goal of devops is to ensure yaml is the primary programming language used for all software automation.
The youtube algorithm shows me your videos below or above dua lipa videos... You both have nice voice
Can you do a full tutorial in linux and aws with hands on
What are the responsibilities are DevOps required to fulfill? Most of the company require us to do every thing from coding, infra to security.
I like the way you teach 😍
I'm Cloud DevOps Engineer in a startup company. Managing all the CI/CD pipelines while maintaining all Cloud resources. On top of that, I'm also developing the backend LOL
Amazing video and insights. I live in both worlds of DevOps and Cloud Engineering.
Question: What tools do you use for your animation/illustration?
"from the git error pop up from developer laptop to how does the 3 rd bucket of s3 causes this much costly on this month" - my job is Rocking.
There are various other positons to compare.
Can you please help us with crystal clear complete distinction and overlap between
SRE
Devops
Platform Engineers.
Infrastructure Engineers
Build Release Engineers
Cloud Engineers.
This will be much more helpful.... !
What are your thoughts on Ai and the impact of DevOps as a career?
Please like to raise awareness in hopes of having the question answered
The part you said, "change the office bulb" got me rotfl
Nana, is it so necessary to have professional programming skills for Cloud Engineer position? Sure, for example, it's highly preferable to know Python, at least. But is it enough to have basic programming skills only?
Your explanation is so good. I am an MCA 1st year student, age 23, is it late to start with devops?
Cloud engineer or devops engineer - not very long they were all known as System Admistrators, suddenly everyone wants a fancy new title.
Would you rather it just be called Cloud Administration?
Bless u nana
INTERESTING!
TANKS LOT
thankyou
nice!
We are looking for an DevOpsCloudEngineerFullStackDataScientistScrumMaster 😂😂
I’m new to the Tech workforce. I was hired as a Cloud engineer with my role being a DevOps engineer 😂
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My Title is Senior SRE, but we do devops, sre, Architecture ops, we are also the cloud engineers, oh wait my team is also the devsecops, systems admins and engineers, the boundaries are decided by the organisation. Oh wait, we are also network engineering team. It’s like playing musical chairs 😂🎉 On a serious note, the industry needs generalists to stay in the game long term.
Great
Do you trained people in IT audit?
What is the job portal name at 00:22 ? 🙃😅
Name of the website you showed jobs @ 00:25 ??
Meanwhile Devops Engineer jobs be like.
Proven 3+ years experience in
Docker, Kubernetis,ansible, Terraform, Cloud platform preferably AWS, Git, Jenkins, CI/CD workflow, Jira, Agile knowledge and what not .....
And the differences with an sre, or a platform engineer
Hi Fabian! Platform engineering video comes out next month, where I talk also about comparison between these roles as well 👍
Programmer= code a solution for given scenario
Devops guy= setup server, deploy, monitor, secure it, add microservices, code for lambda, clear server logs, shell scripts financial overview of servers...!
Nana, how do you think DevOps's work is more valuable than Cloud Egineer's one in terms of salary and importance? AFAIUI, Devops engineer often performs Cloud Engineer's duty. But not every Cloud Engineer is able to automate any IT process professionally like Devops.
That's difficult to say, I think both jobs are valid and valuable, but DevOps Engineers have a broader scope of responsibilities. Both Cloud Engineer and DevOps Engineer roles are in high demand and are paid well. Just looked up some data and it seems DevOps engineers are paid slightly more on average.
@@TechWorldwithNana Thanks!
DevOps engineer can do the both roles but cloud engineer can't pov right ??
DevOpsTestCloud engineering new normal
Devops (not cloud) is really tough.
Is it possible to transition from cloud engineering to devops after gaining enough experience?
Sure, with cloud engineering background you have great pre-requisites knowledge actually useful for DevOps. you may want to check out our DevOps bootcamp for most efficient way to become a skilled DevOps engineer :)
@@TechWorldwithNana thanks for clarifying!
I work as a cloud engineer and want to progress with devops,what's the road map from learning perspective
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A devops engineer will also be a cloud engineer 😢But No cloud engineer will be a devops engineer atleast an hr 😅