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How To Mic A Snare Drum - Drum Lessons
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2011
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Learn how to mic a snare drum in this video drum lesson.
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View the resources for this lesson at: www.drumlessons.com/drum-lesso...
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cool guideline. just don't forget to flip the phase on the bottom mic!
Great camera angles. Clearly articulated. Thanks guys! Thumbs up!
You guys rock, thanks for this!
Thank you! Excellent quality too!
i am a total beginner so this was really helpful. Great camera shots as well.
@freestylefilmsinc Agreed. That's why we filmed these lessons. We got SO many questions about exactly what we do to get our sounds.
Glad to see you playing a Yamaha! :)
Great video! Really useful :-)
@StaticXFM Yes, we're going to continue developing all those sections for many years to come.
@StaticXFM is just the snare drum the one that you would like to mic, not all of the toms, they put a mic there to get a better sound of the snare wires, toms and bass dont have wires so isnt necessary to mic the bottom, btw if using a bottom mic remember to flip the phase so u dont get cancellations. sry for the bad english x) hope this is helpful
If you mic the bottom with a shotgun you get more brightness, and control over the sound from your snare. Some snare recordings are sometimes fat and dull (depending on top mic positioning). Bottom condenser adds brightness and you can hear the rattle from the snare more. But no. you dont need a bottom mic just like you dont need bacon on your burger, but it's always nice to add bacon :) . Hope that helps.
i like the off cuts at the end of the tutorial, it a reminder that we human after all. great editing skills...
Yes!
I didn't know Joaquin Phoenix worked sound at Drumeo. ;) Nice score there!
All that aside, I agree with the SM57... but you should check out the G5790 from Granelli Labs. It is an SM57 with an L-capsule, and is almost identical in sound as the traditional SM57.
@MeOnGretsch Not in the next while. Our schedule is CRAZY right now. I'll add it to my list though.
Would you use a clamp on a snare or is it better to use the stand?
Question: Does the snare bottom not pick up the kick drum bleed? considering it's placed in front of the kick at a 90 degree angle? if yes then how do you get rid of it?
What kind of video cameras are you using? And what kind of lavalier mics are you using?
what kind of mic tecnique would you recomend if you want a full body sound but still a lot of edge and sharpness to it?
Hi!
What kind of sound would you recomend if your recording metal? Mic more towards the centre or towards the edge?
Cheers!
If you mic the bottom of the snare you can get alot more "crack" out of it. Difficult to get it sounding good, but it gives it more crack. Pair of SM57's or an SM57 on Snare top and a Beta 57A on the bottom, just an inch or so off the snares
any suggestions on preventing hi-hat spill in the snare mic?
nice tut
Can Vic give recommendations on smaller snare mics if let's say the kit is big and space is tight?
Hey, it would be awesome if you did a video on EQ and compression that you use.
I'm curious as to why a matched pair is best for snare miking. I've used a dynamic top, comdenser bottom with great results. Nice video btw.
How do you guys feel about the mic being clamped onto the snare like what you do with rack toms? I have a second set of hi hats that get in the way and clamping it to the snare would solve the problems. I don't know how it would affect the sound. I don't currently have the mics so I thought I would ask first.
I can't wait for the EQ'ing video.
what would be the best mic position for a high pitch snare drum??
Cheers!
Can Someone help!!! When micing a snare drum for live sound,Can the top and bottom mic come off the same channel on the mixer such as a Y cable or should I use a separate channel. I hear alot about Phase flipping or is that just for recording?
How can add more body to my snare, in acoustic ,and in the mix.?
thanks for these videos, hep a lot.
You use another 57 for the bottom snare head? I always thought you were supposed to use a condenser for the resonant side. Also, did you reverse the polarity on the bottom 57?
Inverting the phase of the top mic or bottom mic might be necessary if there is noticeable phase cancellation. Which more often times than not there is.
I have a question fore you victor. I study music in Sweden and I wondered, is there any sound engineer colleges or anything like that over there?
@CPMFH Ahhhh I see. Then why would you complain? You're getting FREE drum related information. This is a video people are learning from (read the other comments). We also have around 60 other videos on our channel that talk about drum-set application. Have you completed ALL of those lessons?
what lav mic is used on Victor?
What kind of stand for the mic is that?
love your videos...but how do I mic both snare and hi-hat at the same time....I have a small system and I'm limited on mics
Would've been worth mentioning phase issues when top and bottom micing in case people want to try it. Other than that, real good. Simple explanation, but technical enough that it's not just "stick this one here and that one there and job's a good'un".
Jared, did u get ANOTHER drum set?
@drumlessonscom thanks for the info :)
Just try to judge from how good it sounds in that room. Some bigger rooms might need to have snare bot mic-ed because the high end gets lost in the air more than the low end. Yet some other rooms might reverbarate in the higher register so much that it might be too loud in the higher register already acoustically. If you feel you are lacking high end sound of the snares, then add that snare bottom mic.
If you are recording, then I do advise it, but its still down to preference.
@drumlessonscom alright! thanks ;)
Can you guys make a video where we can hear the difference between different mic angles?
I've heard that if you find yourself getting too much bleed from the hi-hat, you could attach a spoon over the Snare microphone, so it would act kind of like a roof for the Snare mic!
@drumlessonscom Jared, I see you've added new stuff to your drumkit.. (Removing the second floor tom, added a china) Make a quick review of it. :3
Love your lessons, cheers from Sweden!
@enrique4d I thought that at first, but when I actually went and did it, it makes a huge difference. I would say the difference between professional sounding, and just a guy with mics.
If it's just for drum covers, one is fine, but I absolutely recommend a bottom mic if you want to get that extra, full snare sound :)
I got great results using a 57 on the top, but a 58 under the snare. One useful technique is to have the sane angle on both mice, and you'll probably need to flip the phase of one of them. And if all else fails, replace the snare in the mix with BFD :-)
Noob here, why does one switch the polarity? Thanks!
You have to check the phase of the top mic in relation to the bottom mic because it's quite common for the audio signals to partially cancel each other out. It's very obvious which phase is correct when you listen to both mics together. When it's out of phase, the snare will sound a bit thin/weak. You only have to reverse the phase on one of the microphones. Easily done in any DAW or mixing desk.
Really appreciate the fast reply!! I'm doing my first live recording soon and I was planning to mic the bottom snare for the first time & this got me worried. So I will reverse the polarity on the bottom one, but to be clear, even if I have phase problems, they can be fixed after in my DAW, right?
4pomona Yes :-) My suggestion would be to make sure it's recorded OK first, then at the mix you can flip the phase of one mic if you need to. Or if you have more time for testing, check before you record. Some cables are also not wired correctly, so you may have a mic out of phase even though you didn't want it. Live recordings are always a challenge though. Be prepared for anything, because it will happen. Cables stop working for no reason too!
Thanks so much!
Is it really necessary to mic the bottom of the snare?
@enrique4d They didn't mention this, but if you do mic the bottom of the snare be sure to reverse the polarity! The snare drum will sound like shit when the microphones are out of phase.
how about micing the cymbals??
What about phase?
@CPMFH whats your problem with it most drummers would like to know how to record
@enrique4d No, not necessary. It's all personal preference.
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who needs school. when you've got this! :D
@SmileysRevenge100 Oh thanks! I'll keep it in mind...
the drum shells are more important than the heads, right?
interesting idea.... iguess it would work
In a live band setting I've gotten the best results using a small diaphragm condenser (I use an Audio Technica MB4000 or AKG C1000s...they can be had for close to the cost of a sm57) about 1 1/2 foot away (up) angled in at a 45 degree angle toward the snare., OR---same mic configuration---- over your right shoulder, pointed at snare , close to your ear.. works great....57s are great for close micing, but you generally get a lot of 'head ring' by close micing..
...which can be easilly tuned out or cut with an eq...
Sure it can.. But it still sounds like a fucking timbale..
A microphone should be treated like an ear..
yes, an ear that should (in this case) pick up the snare drum and only the snare drum. especially in a live environment you should'n risk getting that much bleed.
I guess I'm confused, typically on their videos, rarely do I see an sm57 on the snare, I always tend to see what looks to be a condenser mic 🤔🤔🤔
@CPMFH Me thinks this is a good idea :)
@555slipknot6sic6 Check out our channel. Yesterday's video talks about micing the bass drum.
if you want the sound of the snares
then it is very neccesssary
you really don't need matched pairs for top/bottom pairs; they have different functions.
use 1 channel per mic and always flip the bottom snare out of phase. They need to be separate channels to control them independently with volume, eq, compression...
Phase is always a paramount concern when using multiple mics, live or in studio. Learn about phase cancellation and the effects of phasing. Sometimes it can be useful, most times it can ruin a recording. Phasing is 99% bad for drum miking. Phasing is cool though with lots of things like synths, vocal effects, stylistic sounds, etc
Reverse the top mic phase, or you'll get cancellation. One mic is pushing, and one is pulling. SM57s all the way,though, and a u47 on the kick.!
There’s a reason why Jared was behind the drum set the whole time
"Supposed to", lol. Anything that sounds good (enough), is all good. Dynamic mic sounds just fine on the reso. You can of course get some 1000$ mics to "get that clear snare sound (and compress and EQ the heck out of it later)" or use what you got or like.
what about bass drum?
@drumlessonscom
Your sync of the video doesnt fit to the sound. < it's hangs behind the video, so i can't consentrate on when you're hitting the drums. please fix this. :)
Don't be afraid to put a noise gate on the snare bottom either.
I am Victor ;)
if I could afford mics, this would be TOTALLY useful!
look at the title, it doesn't say how to afford mics. cheap mics today are insanely good, don't say you can't afford that.
CAD D19 snare mics. Each mic is about $30 with shipping, and they sound great: I've been using those for recording my band's songs.
Obviously the SM57 is the industry standard (but not necessarily best) top snare mic but it is in no way whatsoever the industry standard bottom snare mic. There is no one standard mic for that but 60% of the time it will be a large diaphragm condenser such as an AKG C414.
what i've learned is to always put your bottom snare mic 180 degrees out of phase
Can't believe proximity was not covered. No experimentation at all!
@jrossington dont bother then with the bottom mic..its realy not necessary
If you'd actually scream into a drum microphone, would that actually be heard as well? I guess it would, right?
you should never use a y cable to condense two channels into one you should always use a separate channel but if you want to make them into one sound source i would advise sub grouping them together personal i like the most flexibility while mixing so i tend to stay away from sub-grouping in to my mix
but it is all based on personal taste and preferences
@drumlessonscom Haha :P
Necessary ... no .. but should you do it .. yes... if you have a console with enough channel's you should definitely mic the bottom. why? because thats where the snare's are. when mic'ing both top and bottom be sure to reverse the phase of one of them or it wont sound very good.
audix i5
Agree.
Recording snare with only top mic is better IMO.
what would Niel Patrick Harris do
8:16 hahaha What happened?? xD
Note: Only stick it in 3 inches
2 mics pointing at eatchother !!! dont u need a 180 fase diff ??
@CG6ORG
You forgot to tell em that the bottom mic needs to be switched 180 out of phase..
The shirt wins, what would Neil Patrick Harris do? whatever the hell he wants
Levels bro! You trying to blow my speakers with your intro?! This is the kind of thing that prompts people click "Don't recommend channel," as I am about to do now.
first audio guy ive seen wear overalls lol.
@CPMFH Would you like me to refund your money?
yea jared just stay seated right there instead of giving your tech some space to get in there...
and no one hit a snare once.
Anyone can get a cheap condenser pencil mic for less than a hundred bucks. I'm just repeating what I'd heard from people who worked in a recording studio.
Drummers don't like when we bang the mics on their kit...
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