Thanks. I've got your outrigger book. Been reading through it for years. Working on a little outrigger and sail setup for my 12' canoe. Haven't done any sailing yet, but I've almost got all the pieces together. Every visual helps.
The first design with the shunt rail reminds me of a design by Rael Dobkins of Balkan Shipyard used on one of his proas. The second kite design is very elegant and seems super easy. It is similar to sails on outrigger sailing canoes in Bali. Good luck with the water trials.
@@vakaman I've been out of the proa game a while, but I'm now restoring a 31 foot wharram... that will need a tender... so thinking about outriggers again and checking where everyone is up to. I see the mailing list is defunct, where are the proanauts hanging out these days?
I have to say your Gibbons Dierking rig looks brilliant. It looks like a lot of sail area? Is it easy to handle in a blow and can it be reefed? We live in the Orkney Isles, 40 miles north of the tip if Scotland, so we are very exposed to high wind and sea from all directions and some formidable tides. I like the Amatasi by James Wharram, but his plans are very expensive, so I have a notion that I could build a couple of Extended Ulua and use, either a crab claw rig or preferably a junk rig. I also see no reason that your Gibbons Dierking could not be used as a tacking rig rather than a shunting rig. Whatever I build will have to have good shelter for the helm. If only I were a rich man, but as they say, “necessity is the mother of invention.
Oh! Never mind, it could have been fun. I need something “sensible” like a 26 foot bilge keeler with a decent diesel engine and a modest rig. What I WANT is very different. I will probably end up with a Westerly Konsort for longer trips to the main island and something from your book for fun, fun, fun. The weather here is very unpredictable and the ability to stop overnight is important. Our island is about 20 miles from the main island so I need a boat that I can be comfortable on for a couple of days if the weather turns. It would also be very handy to have portable accommodation at the main island because hotels are very expensive.
All the answers are here: www.amazon.com/Building-Outrigger-Sailing-Canoes-Construction/dp/0071487913/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1654HN2VK41H1&dchild=1&keywords=building+outrigger+sailing+canoes&qid=1600825012&sprefix=Building+outrigger%2Caps%2C348&sr=8-1
This looks like an interesting boot! is there somewhere I could read more about it? Especially the control lines on the gibbons rig. is the sail trimmed using the same lines that pull it back and forth during the shunt?
The line controlling the shunt is separate from the main sheet. It is all explained with construction plans in my book. www.amazon.com/Building-Outrigger-Sailing-Canoes-Dierking/dp/0071487913/ref=sr_1_1/002-8900715-7170409?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180055974&sr=8-1
It is the best way to get the sail forward enough. If the mast is more centered, strong weather helm will result and a very large steering paddle is necessary to balance it.
@@vakaman Ok. Thank you! I’m new (and ignorant) to sailing. Very much interested in building something small that I can paddle but also sail. Something simple that I can use to explore the coast.
Now living in the Philippines I am nearing the completion of my T2. From the book it appears the Oceanic Lateen sail Yard butt rest inside the Dashboards but this video shows it does not. I am considering the higher mast to allow clearing the dashboard and securing the tackline inside. Is this possible? It would seem to me to be more secure when under sail and relieving stress on the mast backstays.
Yes, you can rest the butt of the yard inboard at the bow. Usually you will have to place it there by moving to the bow to seat it. The video demonstrates a method where you don't have to move from your seat.
Nice to hear from you. Thankyou for taking the time to respond. I have been studying your designs for years. I built several wood strip canoes back in the US. Now I have retired with the family to the straits of Cebu in the Philippines so I could build the T2 and sail between the nearby Philippine Islands. I am going with the Gibbon rig instead since seeing you video. It looks much smoother. I am just now building the mast, boom and yard so no problem to change over.
It might have been the music but that brown sail switcheroo was beautiful to watch
Thanks. I've got your outrigger book. Been reading through it for years. Working on a little outrigger and sail setup for my 12' canoe. Haven't done any sailing yet, but I've almost got all the pieces together. Every visual helps.
👍🏼looks good hope you can film the testing on the water 🤞🏻
Currently working from your book to build a shunting wa’pa and can truly anticipate the majesty of these movements.
There is a small modification for ama mounted leeboards if you choose to locate it there. www.dropbox.com/s/d8hxcsxtoctsi8w/Waapa-ama-strut.jpg?dl=0
The first design with the shunt rail reminds me of a design by Rael Dobkins of Balkan Shipyard used on one of his proas. The second kite design is very elegant and seems super easy. It is similar to sails on outrigger sailing canoes in Bali. Good luck with the water trials.
Oh my! You are a very funny man! This video shows that you also excel at building
, planning, and pedagogy.
the Gibbons rig is pretty cool.
great choice of music!
Haven't heard from you for a while!
@@vakaman I've been out of the proa game a while, but I'm now restoring a 31 foot wharram... that will need a tender... so thinking about outriggers again and checking where everyone is up to. I see the mailing list is defunct, where are the proanauts hanging out these days?
@@dominictarrsailing They are all on Facebook: facebook.com/groups/proasailingandconstruction/
Shunting like a pro! Go Gary!
No, it’s the prototype of the T2, but this rig also works on the Wa’apa.
... about halfway through and was gonna ask for a demo with the Gibbons/Dierking rig and... voila! ... extra points for the music choice, perfect!
I have to say your Gibbons Dierking rig looks brilliant. It looks like a lot of sail area? Is it easy to handle in a blow and can it be reefed?
We live in the Orkney Isles, 40 miles north of the tip if Scotland, so we are very exposed to high wind and sea from all directions and some formidable tides.
I like the Amatasi by James Wharram, but his plans are very expensive, so I have a notion that I could build a couple of Extended Ulua and use, either a crab claw rig or preferably a junk rig. I also see no reason that your Gibbons Dierking could not be used as a tacking rig rather than a shunting rig.
Whatever I build will have to have good shelter for the helm. If only I were a rich man, but as they say, “necessity is the mother of invention.
No one has figured out a good way to reef it so it is still a beach boat rig and not suitable for a long cruise.
Oh! Never mind, it could have been fun.
I need something “sensible” like a 26 foot bilge keeler with a decent diesel engine and a modest rig. What I WANT is very different. I will probably end up with a Westerly Konsort for longer trips to the main island and something from your book for fun, fun, fun. The weather here is very unpredictable and the ability to stop overnight is important.
Our island is about 20 miles from the main island so I need a boat that I can be comfortable on for a couple of days if the weather turns. It would also be very handy to have portable accommodation at the main island because hotels are very expensive.
Truly awesome
Shunting in principle seems more sound than tacking for the simple reason you're never in irons. What happens in a row when gybing?
All the answers are here: www.amazon.com/Building-Outrigger-Sailing-Canoes-Construction/dp/0071487913/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1654HN2VK41H1&dchild=1&keywords=building+outrigger+sailing+canoes&qid=1600825012&sprefix=Building+outrigger%2Caps%2C348&sr=8-1
This looks like an interesting boot! is there somewhere I could read more about it? Especially the control lines on the gibbons rig. is the sail trimmed using the same lines that pull it back and forth during the shunt?
The line controlling the shunt is separate from the main sheet. It is all explained with construction plans in my book. www.amazon.com/Building-Outrigger-Sailing-Canoes-Dierking/dp/0071487913/ref=sr_1_1/002-8900715-7170409?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180055974&sr=8-1
BeautIful sails.
So I am guessing your hull is your lateral resistance?
Yes, it’s a deep bee with a flatter side to leeward.
@@vakaman gotcha
How much do you draw with that deep V?
@@jasonnabors7377 A little less than a foot with me onboard.
Is it necessary for the mast to tilt like that?
It is the best way to get the sail forward enough. If the mast is more centered, strong weather helm will result and a very large steering paddle is necessary to balance it.
@@vakaman Ok. Thank you! I’m new (and ignorant) to sailing. Very much interested in building something small that I can paddle but also sail. Something simple that I can use to explore the coast.
@@chrispalmer1255 duckworks.com/gary-dierking/
@@vakaman thank you!
Heading there now!
Like to see this on water at 15 knots of wind
I have shunted that brown sail in 30 knots.
@@vakaman
tee.hee2 u funnyman.
What speed?
great
Is this your Wa’apa?
No, this is the T2
ЗдОрово! Два варианта вооружения!
Now living in the Philippines I am nearing the completion of my T2. From the book it appears the Oceanic Lateen sail Yard butt rest inside the Dashboards but this video shows it does not. I am considering the higher mast to allow clearing the dashboard and securing the tackline inside. Is this possible? It would seem to me to be more secure when under sail and relieving stress on the mast backstays.
Yes, you can rest the butt of the yard inboard at the bow. Usually you will have to place it there by moving to the bow to seat it. The video demonstrates a method where you don't have to move from your seat.
Nice to hear from you. Thankyou for taking the time to respond. I have been studying your designs for years. I built several wood strip canoes back in the US. Now I have retired with the family to the straits of Cebu in the Philippines so I could build the T2 and sail between the nearby Philippine Islands. I am going with the Gibbon rig instead since seeing you video. It looks much smoother. I am just now building the mast, boom and yard so no problem to change over.