I had to watch this before work. I was waiting for this to come out. Your 100% correct by saying Dynon is a complete package at a much lower cost then others. I should know. You flipped me into Dynon from Garmin and I just love the Dynon. I did not get 2 screens and did not need a new COM/GPS I already have one. Dynon was great to talk to and work with. A couple of my other buddies are having some issues with Aspen and Garmin was just expensive but I was willing to pay for garmin until I saw your panel and Dynon in action. Thank you again for saving me tons of $$$$ and a great product. Keep the videos coming. We love them.
Thank you, I contacted you not long ago about cost as I have a M20F, appreciate the detailed video. Looking at a panel upgrade in the near future and really leaning towards Dynon large in part from info you have given.
If you broke down the cost to install all the key components separately it would probably be more than your overall installation cost or close to it. The thought of 2 10" screen with everything included at the cost of just a NAV/Com from the other companies is just crazy.
Your right with your pricing. I been getting quotes and Dynon is the way to go. Not much different what so ever compared to the others and Dynon gives you a all in one option. Great choice and thank you much for sharing.
Going with Dynon seems to be the best bet until the others get off their high horse and start lowering prices. Garmin is out of control with prices and the labor at garmin dealers are usually high. Great choice and my flight club is considering Dynon now. We will be emailing you. Thank you again and keep up the videos.
Great video of the brake down. I have to agree that your choice was the way to go. People are not just going to garmin anymore. They are looking at other options and Dynon is the perfect option. Thanks for sharing and fly on!
Great explanation on cost. I just got a quote for Garmin with the same set up meaning 750, Audio panel, new transponder 2 screens with labor ended up being over 100k and that was with a discount because I got 2 screen. I also didn't need a new panel. Labor was a killer at 25k plus alone. SO a good deal and like you said Dynon had to go through the same cert processes as garmin and the others. I will be getting other prices and will be checking out Dynon. Aspen is just not want im looking for and they seem to be having more problems lately more then ever. Thanks and keep the videos coming.
Ken Ellis Yes. You will never get 100% back but most of it. Also planes are rising in value as long as you take care of your plane and maintain it. I was lucky and got a good price for my plane and all the bones are in excellent condition with low time on the engine and the prop.
Thank you for braking that all down. What a price for all that you got and did to your panel. You basically got a new airplane. Plus like you said. You designed it and its something you did. Good luck and cant wait to see more.
My Mooney M20C needs a new panel. I received a quote from a very reputable avionics shop for all Garmin G3X… total package was $116k. I am now looking at getting a quote for Dynon Skyview, with a good nav/com. $60k panel is doable on a $70k airplane.
As a measurement system guy, Dynon's sensor and wire harness prices are VERY reasonable! Most DAQ/sensor companies try to charge $150 for a USB to RS485 cable. Let alone high quality data/power cables for aviation. Makes me really appreciate Dynon not trying to rake customers over the coals.
If you got the funds and it works for and you like….. That’s what counts. Congrats on your new panel and you enjoy it and stay safe up there. Really enjoyed your video too.
Dynon needs to get the main display certified for navigation as well. It makes no sense that a little crappy nav unit costs way more than the main display that already has the functionality. It's only legacy thinking to have multiple instruments. It's trivial functionality that the main display can easily do. It gives them an advantage over garmin and saves you a lot in the installation. Also the display should be double size. They are missing obvious opportunities to defeat garmin and the others.
After all upgrades and a few hundred hours, how much of that investment is left as equity? I know you can't really refurb a plane and make a profit, but much of that value sticks with the plane long term. I'm curious what that percentage would look like.
Thanks for the info and the breakdown. Good info and honest cost numbers. still wish all that was a little bit less. still a lot of money. enjoy your plane!!
Thanks for the great video. I've been thinking about upgrading my KNS80 to a used Garmin 530W. The total cost estimate was $11,400.. No extra sensors or displays. You can pretty much figure the labor for installing anything is about the same as the cost of whatever you are buying... So, just multiply by two.. and you have your total cost. Not much of any way to get around it.
Great content. Two questions: 1) You mentioned taking weight out of the aircraft. What was your total W&B adjustment once complete? 2) You roughly doubled your investment into this aircraft. How did insurance work with the adjusted valuation?
I don’t know if I’m seeing it wrong or what, but the price on website is showing 10k for a 7inch and 11k for a 10 inch. I heard you in the video saying they were 4k each, did they go up that much in price in a year or am I getting something wrong here?
FYI...When I called Kurt at Moyer a few months ago regarding an Auto Pilot, I mentioned you and the potential “discount “ , he told me there were no discounts. I ended up going else where for Dual G5’s and Garmin GFC500...
@@PilotFun101 Not sure what references you researched I looked at the FAA regs and contacted both AOPA and EAA and they all agreed. Regardless of platform Certificated or Experimental, back up instruments are only required if you use the aircraft for commercial purposes (carrying passengers) plus your second HDX would have satisfied that requirement especially since you have a battery on both, that battery will also power the ADAHRS and EMS modules. You don't even need a "NAV" radio as every VOR approach has an associated GPS approach in fact there are less than half the number of VOR approaches then GPS in this country. Of course you have many pilots out there that think they are required or are "just in case" but as a veteran airline pilot told me. Flying single engine IFR is the biggest risk, not losing all the electronics in the plane...
Unfortunately every panel upgrade you do might way out the cost of the airplane itself. But if your plane has great bones, paint, engine, and interior it’s worth the investment for a panel upgrade. Added awareness is a great tool GA has these days. Plus people waste money on the stupidest things so why not a panel upgrade. Lol. Also everything going up these days you can almost get what you put into the panel if you sell.
@@PilotFun101 Clearly, it's a personal choice, assuming one has the disposable Cash. In my experience, the light GA market values are in the toilet, so anything you do has to be considered a loss. Hardly anyone is going to pay $60k for an airframe that's valued at $30k, no matter what bells and whistles you throw in it. I have at least $80k in my 62 M20C, (Electric Speed Brakes, All speed mods including the 201 Windshield, Stec-50 autopilot, IFR Panel, ect) and I'd be lucky to get $30k for it in today's market. I gross nearly $200K/yr, and I could not justify spending $25k like that. You must do pretty well off of your YT Channel. But I guess, if you plan on keeping it for a long time, you will get some satisfaction out of it that's worth it for you, for that I salute you.
@@unapologetic7900 I agree with you. I plan of keeping my Mooney for a very long time. I just lobe it. I don’t make really anything on TH-cam yet but I have a good job with no kids and wife. That’s saves me tons a year. Lol.
We can say that about a lot of sports people are involved in. But your right and I am happy I bought the plane when I did at a great prices. Prices for planes have been going up just like everything else. So I’m actually still a head of the game. 👍
@@jamesharris4744 Not really, if it was up to just the Manufacturers, Airplanes would cost no more than Cars, but with all the Regulation, certification costs, and Liability risk, the costs get pushed way up.
Thank you sir. This is the content nobody else touches but is very needed.
Thanks for the video. Very detailed. Nobody ever explains this stuff
Thanks for sharing and the transparency.
I had to watch this before work. I was waiting for this to come out. Your 100% correct by saying Dynon is a complete package at a much lower cost then others. I should know. You flipped me into Dynon from Garmin and I just love the Dynon. I did not get 2 screens and did not need a new COM/GPS I already have one. Dynon was great to talk to and work with. A couple of my other buddies are having some issues with Aspen and Garmin was just expensive but I was willing to pay for garmin until I saw your panel and Dynon in action. Thank you again for saving me tons of $$$$ and a great product. Keep the videos coming. We love them.
Thank you, I contacted you not long ago about cost as I have a M20F, appreciate the detailed video. Looking at a panel upgrade in the near future and really leaning towards Dynon large in part from info you have given.
Great videos.
What did you pay for the ranger?
Mike Lombardi 40ish after everything
If you broke down the cost to install all the key components separately it would probably be more than your overall installation cost or close to it. The thought of 2 10" screen with everything included at the cost of just a NAV/Com from the other companies is just crazy.
tasan swan True story. I did tons of research before I did all of this and Dynon was just the way to go with a complete panel.
wow. Much cheaper then I thought. That is a good price for all that you did. Congrats!
Awesome stuff and the panel looks awesome.
All American Aviation Thank you!
Your right with your pricing. I been getting quotes and Dynon is the way to go. Not much different what so ever compared to the others and Dynon gives you a all in one option. Great choice and thank you much for sharing.
Going with Dynon seems to be the best bet until the others get off their high horse and start lowering prices. Garmin is out of control with prices and the labor at garmin dealers are usually high. Great choice and my flight club is considering Dynon now. We will be emailing you. Thank you again and keep up the videos.
Great video of the brake down. I have to agree that your choice was the way to go. People are not just going to garmin anymore. They are looking at other options and Dynon is the perfect option. Thanks for sharing and fly on!
Great explanation on cost. I just got a quote for Garmin with the same set up meaning 750, Audio panel, new transponder 2 screens with labor ended up being over 100k and that was with a discount because I got 2 screen. I also didn't need a new panel. Labor was a killer at 25k plus alone. SO a good deal and like you said Dynon had to go through the same cert processes as garmin and the others. I will be getting other prices and will be checking out Dynon. Aspen is just not want im looking for and they seem to be having more problems lately more then ever. Thanks and keep the videos coming.
As an investment, do you think you’ve increased the value of your Mooney, dollar for dollar?
Ken Ellis Yes. You will never get 100% back but most of it. Also planes are rising in value as long as you take care of your plane and maintain it. I was lucky and got a good price for my plane and all the bones are in excellent condition with low time on the engine and the prop.
Thank you for braking that all down. What a price for all that you got and did to your panel. You basically got a new airplane. Plus like you said. You designed it and its something you did. Good luck and cant wait to see more.
Well worth it!! Tons of safety information at your fingertips. Love your videos!
My Mooney M20C needs a new panel. I received a quote from a very reputable avionics shop for all Garmin G3X… total package was $116k. I am now looking at getting a quote for Dynon Skyview, with a good nav/com. $60k panel is doable on a $70k airplane.
As a measurement system guy,
Dynon's sensor and wire harness prices are VERY reasonable!
Most DAQ/sensor companies try to charge $150 for a USB to RS485 cable. Let alone high quality data/power cables for aviation.
Makes me really appreciate Dynon not trying to rake customers over the coals.
Very very true. It’s a aviation family company. We are not just a number to them as customers
But even with all that gps from dynon is not approved for ifr so you can't still fly ifr right?
That’s correct. You need a approved IFR GPS unit to run the Dynon to make it IFR.
If you got the funds and it works for and you like….. That’s what counts. Congrats on your new panel and you enjoy it and stay safe up there. Really enjoyed your video too.
Hi. Where did you get all these done? And how long did it take to get everything done? Thank you
Moyer Aviation at KMPO. It took about 8 weeks to do everything. 👍
I appreciate it!
I just got my Dynon SkyView HDX10” what program did you used to design your panel. Thanks
Cool. I used the program that Moyer Aviation had.
Dynon needs to get the main display certified for navigation as well. It makes no sense that a little crappy nav unit costs way more than the main display that already has the functionality. It's only legacy thinking to have multiple instruments. It's trivial functionality that the main display can easily do. It gives them an advantage over garmin and saves you a lot in the installation.
Also the display should be double size. They are missing obvious opportunities to defeat garmin and the others.
Thankyou for this. I think your costs were very cost effective... Beautiful all done for $50k ish was a good call..........
After all upgrades and a few hundred hours, how much of that investment is left as equity? I know you can't really refurb a plane and make a profit, but much of that value sticks with the plane long term. I'm curious what that percentage would look like.
Thanks for the info and the breakdown. Good info and honest cost numbers. still wish all that was a little bit less. still a lot of money. enjoy your plane!!
Does the engine monitoring system allow you to download the data?
It does.
Thanks for the great video. I've been thinking about upgrading my KNS80 to a used Garmin 530W. The total cost estimate was $11,400.. No extra sensors or displays. You can pretty much figure the labor for installing anything is about the same as the cost of whatever you are buying... So, just multiply by two.. and you have your total cost. Not much of any way to get around it.
Great content. Two questions:
1) You mentioned taking weight out of the aircraft. What was your total W&B adjustment once complete?
2) You roughly doubled your investment into this aircraft. How did insurance work with the adjusted valuation?
Jonathan McPhail Insurance went up 90.00 more per year at 90k value of the airplane and I lost a total of 40 pounds.
This content really helped. Thank you!
I don’t know if I’m seeing it wrong or what, but the price on website is showing 10k for a 7inch and 11k for a 10 inch. I heard you in the video saying they were 4k each, did they go up that much in price in a year or am I getting something wrong here?
I am not sure where you got 10k 11k from. 10 inch is in the low 4k engine monitoring is another 1,400ish. www.dynoncertified.com
I'm gonna keep buying lottery tickets. Aviation seems more expensive than women.
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Mooney3MM Lol hi
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Great informative video. Most people won't cover pricing for some odd reason. Thanks and good luck!
John Mott Thank you 👍
How about EMP protection?
That’s all in there as well.
FYI...When I called Kurt at Moyer a few months ago regarding an Auto Pilot, I mentioned you and the potential “discount “ , he told me there were no discounts. I ended up going else where for Dual G5’s and Garmin GFC500...
Really? I am shocked. Ill give them a buzz and see whats up. I know he is not a Garmin Dealer tho. Sorry about that.
PilotFun101 Yup, I was looking at Trutrak at the time and his pricing was actually higher then Griggs
I noticed the FlyDynon decal. Are you a sponsor of Dynon?
It’s a small partnership we have.
$ 19,204 for parts + $ 16,087 Labor
lockirocu Sorry. The labor was for everything I did on the panel. If you just did Dynon it would be approx. 8k for labor.
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Unfortunately. I could not get the sound, to listen what you had to say about Dynon. I had not even heard of the name until now.
What is the requirement for the D10A? I have an experimental with Dual HDX and to make it IFR, all I need to add is a IFR certified GPS.
I had to have a back up instrument (D10A) to be legal. You probably don’t need a back up in the Experiment field.
@@PilotFun101 Not sure what references you researched I looked at the FAA regs and contacted both AOPA and EAA and they all agreed. Regardless of platform Certificated or Experimental, back up instruments are only required if you use the aircraft for commercial purposes (carrying passengers) plus your second HDX would have satisfied that requirement especially since you have a battery on both, that battery will also power the ADAHRS and EMS modules. You don't even need a "NAV" radio as every VOR approach has an associated GPS approach in fact there are less than half the number of VOR approaches then GPS in this country. Of course you have many pilots out there that think they are required or are "just in case" but as a veteran airline pilot told me. Flying single engine IFR is the biggest risk, not losing all the electronics in the plane...
@@scottmiller4711 thank you for the info! I had no idea. I was told it was required. But like you said most people think it’s required.
So basically, the panel cost as much as the airframe is worth.
Unfortunately every panel upgrade you do might way out the cost of the airplane itself. But if your plane has great bones, paint, engine, and interior it’s worth the investment for a panel upgrade. Added awareness is a great tool GA has these days. Plus people waste money on the stupidest things so why not a panel upgrade. Lol. Also everything going up these days you can almost get what you put into the panel if you sell.
@@PilotFun101 Clearly, it's a personal choice, assuming one has the disposable Cash.
In my experience, the light GA market values are in the toilet, so anything you do has to be considered a loss. Hardly anyone is going to pay $60k for an airframe that's valued at $30k, no matter what bells and whistles you throw in it. I have at least $80k in my 62 M20C, (Electric Speed Brakes, All speed mods including the 201 Windshield, Stec-50 autopilot, IFR Panel, ect) and I'd be lucky to get $30k for it in today's market.
I gross nearly $200K/yr, and I could not justify spending $25k like that. You must do pretty well off of your YT Channel.
But I guess, if you plan on keeping it for a long time, you will get some satisfaction out of it that's worth it for you, for that I salute you.
@@unapologetic7900 I agree with you. I plan of keeping my Mooney for a very long time. I just lobe it. I don’t make really anything on TH-cam yet but I have a good job with no kids and wife. That’s saves me tons a year. Lol.
Has anyone seen how much older planes are going for with full glass panel. Much more then $30,000. That's for sure.
Avionics worth more than the aircraft, good luck. 50K buys a lot of airline tickets.
We can say that about a lot of sports people are involved in. But your right and I am happy I bought the plane when I did at a great prices. Prices for planes have been going up just like everything else. So I’m actually still a head of the game. 👍
Yes, they price all this aviation equipment to keep average income people out of the skies.
@@jamesharris4744 Not really, if it was up to just the Manufacturers, Airplanes would cost no more than Cars, but with all the Regulation, certification costs, and Liability risk, the costs get pushed way up.