Three Houses: Underrated Maddening Strategies

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  • @ElectricLegend14
    @ElectricLegend14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    Seeing Marianne and Felix smile in the thumbnail is rare but SO worth it

  • @Rengor1997
    @Rengor1997 3 ปีที่แล้ว +245

    Basic arithmatics is a pathway to many strategies some consider to be
    unnatural

    • @The_Breaded92
      @The_Breaded92 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Is it possible to learn this formula?

    • @masonjohn6517
      @masonjohn6517 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Ryan L not from an American math class

    • @SolunaPiano
      @SolunaPiano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Master Rengor graces us with his wisdom yet again.

    • @cuauhtlitorres3742
      @cuauhtlitorres3742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      x=[(-b+-(√(b^2-4ac))/2a] is something I use for every strategy in Fire Emblem

    • @rhettmitchell
      @rhettmitchell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      SolunaPiano Hubert is quite wise

  • @joshmcgoo
    @joshmcgoo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Step 1: Chalice of beginnings
    Step 2: Fliers
    ???
    Profit

    • @adamschroeder9466
      @adamschroeder9466 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ingrid + luin + chalice of beginnings =trololololol

  • @LAZERAK47V2
    @LAZERAK47V2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    I feel like Silence gets overlooked a lot is because the enemies you REALLY want to Silence are usually immune to status conditions. Because 3H is so Player Phase oriented, the best way to deal enemy mages is to just kill them outright.
    Don't get me wrong, it's a great spell, but it feels more like a luxury option rather than a vital one.

    • @bryanyap3888
      @bryanyap3888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I would say that most of the times, silence is useless due to the reasons above, however fortunately it works on meteor enemies, and most silence users are also healers, thus they have a niche that is somewhat vital

    • @shawn1603
      @shawn1603 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's not necessary, but it makes the units that have it really useful where they would be outshined by higher tier mages.

    • @CosmicToad5000
      @CosmicToad5000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I like it for essentially being a reverse physic against mages. Sometimes you want to EP a few enemies but there’s a mage and if you try to kill said mage you’ll aggro a ton of other foes so being able to essentially “kill” them for a turn from afar is pretty nice.

    • @LM11116
      @LM11116 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it's nice combined with poison strike (although only yuri and claude get access to both) because even if you can't status them you get free chip damage with no risk of counterattack

  • @fatilumkins8730
    @fatilumkins8730 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I just picked up the game a few weeks ago. I have put in over 150 hours already 😅 easily one of my favorite games ever. I enjoy your videos, I feel that my enjoyment of this game has been heightened due to your videos helping me avoid some easy pitfalls I would have fallen for. Thanks for the content!

    • @Nubbletech
      @Nubbletech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also picked up the game a few weeks ago. I also actually wanted to buy a different game, but it wasn't a game you can use Game Coupons for *facepalm*, so I bought this one and also already put in about 160 hours, played through CF and VW and am now playing Blue Lions. It's such a good game!

  • @GuardsOfNohr
    @GuardsOfNohr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +171

    Want a strategy for the silver snow route? Simple don't play it.

    • @n2badsam420
      @n2badsam420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      😕😕😕😕😕😕

    • @valemontgomery9401
      @valemontgomery9401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Worst route in terms of both story and gameplay imo

    • @GuardsOfNohr
      @GuardsOfNohr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@valemontgomery9401 the final map is so bad it hurts me to play it

    • @lorddragonskin3603
      @lorddragonskin3603 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      It's not that bad.
      It's not like we're dealing with 50% of enemy units (including the boss) having Miracle or anything.
      And totally not dealing with a Defeat Boss objective that may as well be a Rout map.
      Nothing weird or complicated at all.

    • @GuardsOfNohr
      @GuardsOfNohr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@lorddragonskin3603 I also love how the boss nullifies some skills and reduces all damage by 50%, and has a aoe artillary attack, which can kill many of your weaker units in 1 hit.

  • @Bunnymafia8150
    @Bunnymafia8150 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Thanks for making this. Just got back into the game so don’t worry about being late to the party. These videos make analyzing the assload of information manageable. Hope you keep making them!

  • @VG_Yugi
    @VG_Yugi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    It’s called investing everything into Claude because Claude is so fucking broken and if you can get past that one chapter where you can’t use Claude you’ll be in the clear

    • @prestononuselogu9973
      @prestononuselogu9973 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol no claude is average he wont be the best character its like one of your houses characters

    • @VG_Yugi
      @VG_Yugi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@prestononuselogu9973 you’re high AF

    • @prestononuselogu9973
      @prestononuselogu9973 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VG_Yugi I don't think I am

    • @VG_Yugi
      @VG_Yugi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@prestononuselogu9973 in a non new game plus play through Claude is not average. His battalion is one of the best ones in the game and he can use failnaught. If you don’t think Fallen star is good you’re high AF. Simple.

    • @prestononuselogu9973
      @prestononuselogu9973 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VG_Yugi ok here me out ok. I think Dimitri battling is better post time skip. It gives better bonuses then fits his aggressive play style. Fallen star is pretty meh tbh. It will only dodge 1 attack and not more. Vs atrocity and cough raging storm it losses.

  • @JonSmith-hk1bq
    @JonSmith-hk1bq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Is locking an enemy in place via a Gambit really an underused strategy? I thought it was Maddening 101 for surviving an aggressive enemy turn.

    • @starbonkers0724
      @starbonkers0724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You’re not the only one, i use ashes & dust on multiple enemies in a single area to lower their stats and wipe them up easily at once in player phase. If it works for you, it means it helps lol

    • @alosha4321
      @alosha4321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea I thought that was basic stuff. Kinda necessary really

    • @rhettmitchell
      @rhettmitchell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah idk how people survive even without new game plus on maddening bc I use the shit out of Dimitri’s and Claude‘s personal battalions

    • @alosha4321
      @alosha4321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@rhettmitchell maddening just becomes that much easier when you have 3 immortal corps lol

    • @starbonkers0724
      @starbonkers0724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      alosha4321 lol i have 2 immortal corps at my disposal, it’s so broken it’s my favorite gambit among the lords, that +10 charm saves me from enemy gambits multiple times

  • @aiguels5518
    @aiguels5518 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    The key to beating maddening?
    FLIERS.
    Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

    • @skrilllfury2120
      @skrilllfury2120 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fliers...I NEED FLIERS!!
      -Megatron, TF Prime

  • @CosmicToad5000
    @CosmicToad5000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    After doing my first NG Maddening run I can safely say the key is to find the niches characters have to essentially just ignore enemy stat bloating. Auto doubling combat arts like swift strikes & hunter’s volley are hugely helpful, as is Vengance and battalion wrath strats. Pretty much every unit has some skill or art they can use to just delete an enemy, and the ones that don’t can go grappler or sniper for their class mastery arts.

  • @chillstoneblakeblast3172
    @chillstoneblakeblast3172 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    My Ultimate Tip: Abuse Renewal Monks in Chapter 2 Maddening. you can grind Weapon EXP with them.

  • @Mr96POP
    @Mr96POP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Impregnable Wall is a great way to draw in enemy bosses with huge range so that you can have your whole team ready to gang up on them. On Chapter 4, I just used it so that I could comfortably draw in the Death Knight before nuking him with Lysithea on the next player phase.
    Kingdom Archers on Blue Lions Maddening is also valuable and fantastic since it’s the only D-ranked Retribution battalion, so having Dedue, Dimitri, and Byleth counter enemy archers in the early turns really makes killing them on player phase much easier.

  • @dashua1735
    @dashua1735 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    5:20 - It's pronounced "Few - Zee - Ahd", it's french and it means "Gundown" or "Gunning", it pretty much means storming targets with projectiles

    • @rhettmitchell
      @rhettmitchell 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well then. Didn’t know that

  • @davie7670
    @davie7670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I have completed every route new game on maddening, it’s actually pretty easy the more you know about the mechanics. It really helps to get as many double hit combat arts as you can. Also Lysithea and Felix are broken. Kind of looking forward to a harder difficulty.

    • @FabledStone
      @FabledStone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I had Felix and Lysithea in my Golden Deer run and both of them in one army just feel unfair

  • @MrVisde
    @MrVisde 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The biggest challenge to Maddening is that your characters will be under leveled. So you really have to plan and stick to some core characters for development. The easiest way to beat it is New Game+...which counteracts the leveling handicap.

  • @Elite_Teach
    @Elite_Teach 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man, this was really fun to watch! I’d love to see more

  • @crisovelot
    @crisovelot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thinking of doing a maddening run myself, thanks for the tips!

  • @luciandust2355
    @luciandust2355 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got back into the game and I was (thinking) about playing maddening (i’m a total noob when it comes to fire emblem systems so) and then this video comes out! What a treat :D

  • @Eo22I005
    @Eo22I005 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    *IRON BOW*

  • @DLAsmash
    @DLAsmash 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    - I'm 90% sure that 2-3 range gambits like Fusillade don't drop in accuracy like normal bow attacks do when you are 3 spaces away vs 2. Gambits act like spells in this regard
    - Silence is definitely underrated and is a big reason that Manuela and Marianne are two of my favorite units, but there's one caveat: using this spell on an enemy mage with a battalion won't prevent them from using their gambits (group flames etc), even if they're silenced. Found this one out the hard way
    - The "movement" combat arts, such as Swap, Shove, and (especially) Pull Back that you learn from mastering the beginner classes (monk, fighter, myrmidon, soldier) are very useful, especially in the early game but in the late game as well honestly. In your first scenario with the archer, you could have killed the archer in one round with Felix/gauntlets, then used Pull Back with Dorothea to get Felix out of the Death Knight's range. That would have saved a gambit and the archer would have been dead instead of getting healed in the enemy turn. Situations like this happen all the time in maddening, which is why I always try to master the beginner classes with most units (especially monks, fighters, and myrmidons for the +2 mag, str, and spd respectively) before moving on to the intermediate classes
    - Impenetrable Wall is IMO the best gambit in the game and it's also available early. If you're having trouble drawing enemies out like in the example in this video, Impenetrable Wall basically trivializes it by turning up to 3 units (!) into basically invincible tanks, up to 5 (!!!) times per map

  • @michaeldanielson6206
    @michaeldanielson6206 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For the most part, maddening is about applying your resources in creative ways to give yourself a necessary advantage over enemies, and I think this video brilliantly shows that. Another thing you could have done is to switch Felix to a bow before using his gambit so that he counters the archer on enemy phase.
    Even if you had forgotten to do that, you can have other units trade with units which have already acted, so that the weapon you want them to have equipped eventually gets "traded" into their first slot while the weapon they *did* have equipped is moved to a different slot. This is a strategy I used so often in maddening to have my units be equipped with a weapon with higher Avo, or to allow them to counterattack an enemy as I described in the above example.
    Using gambits and non-attacking spells/actions is a great tactic, but honestly to learn to play maddening, all you have to do is understand the game's mechanics and use them to your advantage. For example, I never used silence and only really ever used gambits on groups of enemies, and though maddening was still difficult for me, I was able to get through it.

    • @vanjagalovic3621
      @vanjagalovic3621 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That, or just battalion wrath + battalion vantage Dimitri and win

    • @michaeldanielson6206
      @michaeldanielson6206 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vanjagalovic3621 True, although I have never done AM on Maddening, only CF and SS.

    • @vanjagalovic3621
      @vanjagalovic3621 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@michaeldanielson6206 AM is the easyest route as the BLs have the best earlygame and you can just beat rest of the game easely enough with Dimitri and Seteth. Though the lategame maps are pretty terrible.

    • @t_kon
      @t_kon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vanjagalovic3621 or ingrid (yes my ingrid soloed almost entire of my maddening runs without NG+) and call it a day beating all 4 houses.

  • @berry-duke9635
    @berry-duke9635 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like to grind weapon and class EXP just for skills. My first maddening NG+ run ended up being pretty interesting since I made Lysithea, Marianne, and Ignatz master all their intermediate and advanced classes

    • @jaimereupert4247
      @jaimereupert4247 ปีที่แล้ว

      The calendar loop trick is also great for mastering weapon exp. 😍

  • @CASMANWHAT
    @CASMANWHAT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wyvern lord Petra, Byleth, Hilda. Get that avoidance ability. Make them wait around enemies. Own everything.

  • @Tez365
    @Tez365 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice and creative strategies. Let's just say that was illuminating.

  • @jakx90170
    @jakx90170 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I've been saying that silence is great for awhile cuz a lot of front liners don't have high res and it makes mages easier to take care of instead of using curved shot with everyone

    • @JonSmith-hk1bq
      @JonSmith-hk1bq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Meh. Even on Maddening, magic users are tissue by the time you get out of the early game and get access to Silence. Outside of armored units, a map filled with magic users is the one that makes me breath a sigh of relief.

    • @MegaScytheman
      @MegaScytheman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Silence is mostly useful against siege magic. Magic bosses tend to have prevention skills so they can't be silenced and many enemy mages have gambits which they can still use when silenced

    • @naiRISE766
      @naiRISE766 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can see that. Like, using silence to make them unable to retaliate and kill them with someone like Felix who's otherwise will take some damage from retaliation. but isn't it literally the same thing with just killing normally then healing afterward? you still uses 2 units' turn.

    • @rhettmitchell
      @rhettmitchell 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ラファエルRISE yeah but you can only heal so many people unless you’re Mercedes or Flayn

  • @jamestdfm
    @jamestdfm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My strategy for maddening blue lions was using dimitri, at timeskip he was lvl 33 and had enough defense to not take any damage from any of the thieves except the silver bow snipers, and as we all know dimitri with battalion wrath+vantage is the most broken combo, add retribuition gambit to that and dimitri can clear everyone in his range during enemy phase, and most of the time he doesn't even need to crit to kill lmao

  • @FabledStone
    @FabledStone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I usually use a Pure Water for the mage on the right when I have no silence (which is always except in Golden Deer runs)

  • @Eldiran1
    @Eldiran1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i've never played on maddening but i've play this map (with yellow team) and i don't understand what is these yellow/purple orb around the map; what does that mean/do ?

  • @bryandesposito6567
    @bryandesposito6567 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 9:48, what website is that with the list of magic for all units?

  • @waluigihentai
    @waluigihentai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ooo ty for this. I'm doing my first maddening run rn (ng+ CF) and I'm literally so scared. I'm using some LTC strats just to beat some of the kill boss maps

    • @catelyntully9494
      @catelyntully9494 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That route is really cool for maddening imo, lots of enemy comanders, my favorite is how mounstrous Rhea is in the battle of the monastery, literally better than Seiros in the plains with Hard difficult lol

    • @xuanathan
      @xuanathan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A few words of sage advice:
      Use Jeritza as much as humanly possible. He was added specifically to make CF maddening possible.
      Shamir, crits, and Brave weapons will be your main method of killing things. Shamir is absolutely top tier once you get to higher difficulties, both as a boss killer (She got the final hit on Hegemon for me, dealing 186 damage in one round) but also as a regular 4 range killer. Doubling things is good, but you get hit, and thus require a heal.
      Since you’re playing CF, you don’t have to worry about this, but Chapter 13 pretty much requires infantry byleth with an assault troop type battalion. On new game+, you have more options, but Leicester Dicers, Cichol Wyverns and Gloucester Knights are king.
      Hapi is a god. Banshee from far away is pretty much an enemy taken care of every single turn. Not to mention physic and warp.
      Lastly, heres the top 5 units to prioritise:
      (You don’t NEED to use these, but they set a good standard.)
      1 Edelgard. Specifically wyvern Edelgard, but hey any edelgards still edelgard.
      2 Byleth
      3 Ferdinand
      4 Shamir
      5 Hapi

    • @VeritasEspiritoria
      @VeritasEspiritoria 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was scared as well when i initiated my first maddening NG+ (Blue lions), and... it wasn't as horrible as i thought, NG+ helps a lot, it felt fun actually.

    • @riverdoge
      @riverdoge 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xuanathan Ima be honest how do you make shamir good, every time i've used her she sorta just does nothing while Doretha, Lysithea, and Byleth do all of the work.

    • @xuanathan
      @xuanathan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@riverdoge
      She does require a bit of investment, but really it comes down to hunters volley, damage boosts, and as much hit/crit you can get. The hit's really only important for 4 range, and the crits for consistent one rounds with a killer bow.

  • @iloveminicactialot6895
    @iloveminicactialot6895 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Almost as underrated as your channel, FED :)

  • @cartem304
    @cartem304 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do a maddening classic guide without new game + ?

  • @oliverrenteria4200
    @oliverrenteria4200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been stuck on Golden Deer's chapter 2 mission on Maddening without NG+ for weeks.
    Edit: I finally beat it and it wasn't that bad. Ignatz's Rally Speed came in clutch.

    • @rhettmitchell
      @rhettmitchell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You might wanna pick up Constance for her literal entire spell list bc it’s ALL clutch. Especially Bolting and Rescue. Or if you want another free unit with Physic, Warp, and dark magic, pick up Hapi. I would hope you already know Mercedes is the best healer in the game, so having her is a must unless you just want separate units for Physic, Restore, and Fortify

  • @phoenix5054
    @phoenix5054 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am 2 chapters away from the infamous post-timeskip chapter. I’ve finished the game 3 times in Hard mode and this is my first Maddening run.

    • @alosha4321
      @alosha4321 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you get passed it?

    • @phoenix5054
      @phoenix5054 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alosha4321 Yeah. Fortress Knight Caspar just took 0 damage from enemies.

    • @alosha4321
      @alosha4321 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenix5054 wow. He'd have to have like 50+ protect on him

    • @phoenix5054
      @phoenix5054 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alosha4321 Nah. He only got like lower 30s defense with a Silver Shield and a battalion with 10 Protect (Duscur Heavy Soldiers I think).

    • @alosha4321
      @alosha4321 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phoenix5054 well that's still around 45-50 protect. Protect=defense+battalion+item+other modifiers

  • @at_the_bar2838
    @at_the_bar2838 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All I do to survive is grind the heck out of each month

  • @pip5188
    @pip5188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm just wondering how you move your cursor around so fast

    • @AdamWithFED
      @AdamWithFED  3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      If you hold Y while moving the cursor it will move slightly faster. Also, using the d-pad is faster than using the joystick.

  • @kungfumaster298
    @kungfumaster298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Personally I don't find any benefit in killing the death knight aside from the exp. Dark Mage is not that good of a class anyway. That's why on this map I just avoid him and rout the units on the left flank until I reach the commander. The reinforcements don't do much too.
    My ultimate tips would be:
    FIGHT SMART. Determine the goal. Is it rout the enemy? Or just kill the enemy commander? You don't have to kill every unit on the map.
    Also if you have the DLC weekend battles with extra rewards, do them. It's hard at first especially if the map loaded is full of speedy bandits. But it's all worth it, that way exp won't be a problem.
    Classes - Use them to control which stat upgrades on level up. If you're patient to reload each battle for good stats, better. Watch out for:
    Str - If you have high strength, it allows you to carry heavier and powerful weapons. Every 5 Str decreases 1 weight. If you have high str, you can use heavy weapons like they are training weapons.
    Speed - High Speed means high avo and as. If you can pull of a character with 90-100+ avo, then you can pull off a bait game. They won't hit you, but you'll annihilate them. Pair with Evasion Ring if you are waiting, as well as the blah blah step+ Ability you gain on S Rank Flying skill. Byleth on my maddening gd run didn't get hit a single time.
    Dex - For crits. Least important but good to have. Pair with crit ring if you are attacking.
    Skills - Can be upgraded through battles and teaching. Set the goals in advance if you already have a chosen class for your unit.
    Unique Abilities - Make sure to pay attention on each char's unique skill. Like Hilda's, where men who fight beside her gain extra attack, or Leonie's, who gains attack when fighting beside a male teammate.
    Farm Renown - Buy 99 pieces of all the seeds worth 50 in the market and offer to the altar, then use it to the saint statues until you unlock the experience plus.
    Use the Right Weapons - Use the right weapons for the right enemy units. My personal favorite is Rapier+. It's strong against armored and riding dudes. For Flyers, bows are your friend.
    That's it! Enjoy the game 😁

  • @feffermickel
    @feffermickel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’ve gotten through Maddening relatively easily through absurd amounts of skill exp grinding in the weekly battles. Trapping an archer or regen healer and hitting with rusted weapons till turn 99. It’s a cheap tactic but effective for anyone willing to grind so hard.

    • @netfelix2748
      @netfelix2748 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Of course everyone can play however they want but I feel like that kind of defeats the point of a challenge

    • @starbonkers0724
      @starbonkers0724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Netfelix it’s actually worth it, because the moment you step on a certain level to get to a class you can instantly promote to that class. Not to mention if you want a certain ability from a certain class for class grinding (e.g. death blow, darting blow, hit+20, etc.) that are out of your student’s skill proficiencies without wasting motivations on your lectures you can get to multiple classes on a single class rank. Also grinding authority REALLY helps especially on people with low proficiencies on that (looking at you, Felix and Hilda). Also, knowledge and experience gems

    • @netfelix2748
      @netfelix2748 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Im not saying its not optimal, it definetly is, but what I’m saying is that I don’t understand why you would play maddening if you were going to grind, especially with an exploit like this, to make it piss easy anyways.

    • @ItsYuhBoyyyy
      @ItsYuhBoyyyy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That doesn't sound fun tho

    • @otaku-chan4888
      @otaku-chan4888 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey, don't judge others for their idea of fun. For some people, trying and failing until finally beating an enemy while underlevelled is fun. For others, grinding steadily until the overlevelled enemies finally become easy to beat is fun! It's hard to understand the satisfaction on either side until you've done it for yourself.

  • @garretwatt9940
    @garretwatt9940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    My main strategy is to spam divine pulse and hope i win

  • @MaN-mc3bf
    @MaN-mc3bf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Grinding is the true answer

  • @jonathanmartinez7803
    @jonathanmartinez7803 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I still haven’t finished my maddening run. But it’s been like half a year since I’ve played.

  • @user-yc5lb8fw5r
    @user-yc5lb8fw5r 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Recently found good niche for Manuela as trickster with stealth and silence

  • @sorenfan1964
    @sorenfan1964 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That strat is hella risky, there's a much saver way to bait the death knight by standing just barely in death knight range and using the archer to block the only space from where he could attack

  • @Alexander-dw3jw
    @Alexander-dw3jw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why is this video released after I already beat Maddening 😭

  • @FabledStone
    @FabledStone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    New Game+ makes this game soooo much easier, is there anything that is harder in ng+?

  • @mando8902
    @mando8902 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    just beat my run for bl maddening but i’ll use this for my first cf maddening.

  • @ram5487
    @ram5487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I don't find maddening that hard anymore, but my one BL playthrough is softlocked at chapter 13 because my byleth doesnt fly.

    • @Requious97
      @Requious97 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Happened my first maddening run too..
      Ended up passing it but lost Ashe, Gilbert, Annette, and Mercedes ;-;

    • @alosha4321
      @alosha4321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Requious97 huge rip. I only lost lorenz in mine but he kinda sucked anyway

    • @rhettmitchell
      @rhettmitchell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Derek Zhang this is why we don’t do classic mode. You just lost all the wholesome characters 😪

  • @AGuy-vq9qp
    @AGuy-vq9qp ปีที่แล้ว

    Big ted talk when you could have just hit “end turn”

  • @noahbrown292
    @noahbrown292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think silence saved my run more than once or twice. Those damn meteor mages or other siege tome/fire orb users are a pain in the butt without it.

    • @terranort4279
      @terranort4279 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I took inspiration from Cindered Shadows Hard, where it basically forces you to use the distant counter batallion on someone to mess with the 4 meteor mages. Distant Counter on Byleth with a Killing Edge was crazy good.

    • @riverdoge
      @riverdoge 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait silence stops fire orbs?

  • @rhettmitchell
    @rhettmitchell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now I know you didn’t just deploy all the wolves but Hapi

  • @thrillingsun3001
    @thrillingsun3001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool stuff

  • @franksinatra8445
    @franksinatra8445 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any tips for final azure moon map on maddening I keep on losing in the throne room because of reinforcements

    • @lawlupthelombre2995
      @lawlupthelombre2995 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which set of reinforcements?
      If it’s the bolting/meteor mages then use a dodge tank with retribution/chalice to kill them or tank the turn they spawn in with impregnable wall and deal with them normally.
      If it’s the dark knights/war masters then just turtle and move slowly. U can stop these reinforcements by leaving a unit on the stairs that they spawn on.

    • @DelanHaar6
      @DelanHaar6 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those long-range ambush spawn mages? Yeah that reinforcement wave is actually evil. The most efficient way to deal with them is the Battalion Wrath/Battalion Vantage Dimitri build with Retribution support, but if you don't have a low health battalion then there are some other options.
      Regular Vantage/Wrath with Retribution can also work, but again, that requires a lot of prep work in previous maps to master the Merc and Warrior classes.
      If neither of those is available you, then I have two suggestions. Both still involve Retribution, since Azure Moon gets easy access to it through the D-rank Kingdom Archers battalion. There are also a few A-rank battalions that grant it.
      One is to kill the enemies at the throne room entrance, then send in one unit with Retribution active that can dodge most or all of the hits, and make sure everyone else in your army is well out of reach. Bolting is not a very accurate spell, and it is very heavy, so many sword/brawling classes have the potential to evade and then double on the counterattack. Sword/Brawling Prowess level 5, an Evasion Ring, a high-avoid Gambit like the Gautier Knights or Jeralt's Mercenaries, and other skills like Sword/Brawl Avoid +20 and Alert Stance+ can all stack for dramatic effect. Then it's just a matter of making sure your chosen dodge tank can kill the enemy warlocks in return.
      If you don't have one unit that can dodge the hits and KO in return, then consider using Retribution on two units that can each survive two hits or have a good chance of avoiding one and surviving the other. Retribution lasts a while, so you can set it up in the middle with one gambit use and then send each unit off to the sides. Pure Waters can be bought beforehand to help with this, as they give +7 res on the turn they are used. Heck, if you have some Hexlock shields, now might be the time to consider using them. Just be aware that you don't want to put your chosen units in range of the warlocks' regular spells, since those are harder to dodge and can double, unlike siege spells.
      Hope that all helps.

    • @franksinatra8445
      @franksinatra8445 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      FlashingFire yeah its the gauntlet users and the siege tome/ mage knight reinforcements

  • @asgasdg09a8sd
    @asgasdg09a8sd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wyvern lords, bow knights and Lysithea

  • @Kevin-yp7yk
    @Kevin-yp7yk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:21 LMAO WHAT IS THAT SCREAM

  • @waterlegend72
    @waterlegend72 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Everyone Wyvern Lords
    And dont play Crimson Flower

    • @emily_v
      @emily_v 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why not Crimson F?

    • @eiplays2768
      @eiplays2768 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@emily_v cause its bad
      edit: also pegasus ambush spawns irritating
      edit again: the black eagles aren't very good and you lose out on Catherine and seteth who are really good in maddening.

    • @riverdoge
      @riverdoge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@eiplays2768 Honestly Crimson Flower was my favorite route out of the 4, even though it was the shortest it was also the most unique route with its special maps and it's different perspective of events, as well as the final boss fight being my 2nd favorite (first being silver snows due to its difficulty). Also how the hec is Seteth good, his low strength makes him inferior even Ingrid, who at least has good speed.

    • @eiplays2768
      @eiplays2768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@riverdoge Swift Strikes, it is simply put one of the best combat arts for maddening in the game as it makes you always double in a mode where basically no one doubles. because of this he has one of the most consistent damage outputs and combine that with the fact you recruit him at level 23 means he's already doing very well for himself in stats when compared to all the other units you have at this point on the maddening meaning you can dedicate more exp and as a result more levels to your students (he's higher level than Ingrid at this point making his stats better, also his speed doesn't matter that much cause you're going to be spamming swift strikes anyways). that and he comes in wyvern rider which is one of the best classes in the game. he's very good and requires little maintenance on maddening mode this is why he's very good and why he's basically a no-brainer pick for a team on maddening. going back to the Catherine pick you to pick her up cause she's your jagen and her relic is always useful to have especially on maddening mode.
      anyway enough of setteth time to explain CF route.
      on maddening the route is needlessly difficult due to the ambush spawns on several of the missions especially the last one which features pegasus knight ambush spawns. usually what you do is wait it out but you can't do that because the golems get infinitely stronger due to immaculate one roar (yes the roar buff stacks over the course of the map). combine this with the black eagle students being very lackluster when compared to the other houses and your gonna have a generally bad time. Edelgard as a unit is good and her relic is great so she gets a pass. Hubert plays the role of a tank mage and gets fucked over on maddening as a result. Caspar and Ferdinand are a joke. Bernadetta is only good due to vengeance rescue shenanigans which are never worth the setup and petra is a dodge tank in a mode where speed stat is nearly irrelevant because of the enemies always having better stats. easily the best non-lord student on maddening for cf being linhardt and Dorothea the former being useful for warp and being a healer whilst the other has 2 uses of the meteor spell which is one of the best spells in the game purely for its ability to siege foes at a distance and due damage in an area of effect style. but that's just the gameplay it gets worse.
      the story in crimson flower is so incredibly boring and the plot can be summarized in 3 (technically 4) sentences.
      Edelgard: let's go to this place and fight (explains a strategy that is incredibly vague and gives us no insight as to why its strategic at all)
      hubert: feet picks, please
      edelgard: me good rhea bad
      byleth:
      all of this combines to make cf while unique one of the worst routes in the game. and that's saying a lot because the other routes are copy-pasted with only blue lions feeling fleshed out and claude's route just stealing from silver snow.
      Seriously tho some of the characters in the final chapter don't even have unique dialogue they just say their unit select quote. that and there are other glaring issues with the plot. why invade the neutral alliance instead of attacking and destroying the kingdom first. Claude would have agreed to a peace treaty if he was surrounded. edelgards connection to those who dubstep in the dark is never explained properly. Seriously it's Twsitd fault that she went through the shit she did why take it out on rhea who has nothing to do with it. Edelgard had the opportunity to be the next arvis. one of the all-time greatest lords. but the writers BLEW IT seriously. I wish I could like edelgard. I WISH she was handled better. she deserved so much better than what the writers gave her and it's a dam shame.

    • @riverdoge
      @riverdoge 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eiplays2768 Well now that I just read an entire essay, ima skip the story part as that's just preference. But if I'm being honest I didn't know seteth gets swift strikes. Also units are able to double in this mode as long as you focus on them. In my BL Maddening playthrough my Ashe, Byleth, and Dimitri were easily able to double most units as they were my main focuses. I completely ignored seteth as the stats are pretty weak. But I'll try him in my next maddening playthrough, as I'm doing a CF one right now

  • @bashfulpanda2596
    @bashfulpanda2596 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gambits good?

  • @zekdom
    @zekdom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fire Emblem Three Houses Maddening NG+ tips.
    ***Not my original thoughts, tips acquired across the internet... TH-cam comments, okay?***
    Still struggling with Maddening, even on multiple New Game+ runs?
    Here’s how to make it a bearable challenge.
    Assuming New Game+...
    1. Do a Normal run first (preferably on Blue Lions to include Dedue) and teach all of your preferred male units Quick Riposte from War Master, Vantage from Mercenary, and Wrath from Warrior.
    (Death Blow from Brigand if you haven’t already.)
    Quick Riposte negates enemy doubling and allows you to double on enemy phase.
    When your health falls below half and Quick Riposte becomes inactive, that’s where Vantage and Wrath come into play.
    The heavy-hitter male units who would benefit most from these skills include m!Byleth (can transfer Quick Riposte to f!Byleth), Felix, Seteth, Sylvain, Ferdinand, Alois, and Cyril.
    If you plan to use Dedue, Caspar, and Raphael, they will need those skills, especially.
    Arguably, Dimitri doesn’t need Vantage, Wrath, and Quick Riposte because of his Battalion Wrath and Battalion Vantage combo. (If Dimitri is equipped with a Killer Lance and Chalice of Beginnings, he becomes a monster.)
    2. Stick with the best classes:
    - For OHKO value: Sniper for Hunter’s Volley, Grappler for that Three-Hit Combat Art, and War Master for criticals.
    - OHKO classes for units who have multi-hit combat arts: Bow Knight for Point Blank Volley units, Paladin for Swift Strikes units, War Cleric for Catherine’s Bombard.
    - For max magic uses: Gremory
    - For magical nukes who want to fly: Dark Flier
    - For dodge-tanks: go with Falcon Knight, Wyvern Lord, War Monk/Cleric (Brawl Avoid is a thing), and/or Dancer. Of course, be sure to learn/transfer Alert Stance+ and the weapon prowess abilities.
    3. Since speed largely doesn’t matter in Maddening with high-speed enemy units, use some characters with multi-hit combat arts:
    - Leonie and Cyril get Point Blank Volley. Make them Bow Knight for Bowfaire to max damage output.
    - Seteth, Ferdinand, and Sylvain get Swift Strikes. Great candidates for Paladin’s Lancefaire.
    - Catherine learns Bombard with A rank in gauntlets, so she’s a good candidate for War Cleric’s fist-faire.
    - Dedue and Alois both learn One-Two Punch, so they would be great Grappler or War Master units.
    4. Plant stat-boosting seeds every month! Purple seeds for strength boosters, yellow seeds for magic boosters. Primarily, it’s a good idea to focus on planting purple seeds, since your multi-hit combat units will be strength-based.
    5. Give all of your charm-boosting items to your dodge-tank(s). That way, not even Gambits will be likely to hit them.
    6. If you’re using female characters without multi-hit combat arts (ie, Hilda, Petra, f!Byleth) for an offensive-combat role, give them killer weapons and turn them into flying units.
    7. Use Bernadetta! She can be a Sniper with Encloser utility and Hunter’s Volley as reliable backup. (Encloser is helpful when facing multiple Pegasus, Swordmaster, or Assassin enemies.)
    But if you want her for Rescue utility *and* OHKO potential, try War Cleric. War Cleric’s fist-faire paired with Bernie’s personal skill and crest could do wonders.
    8. Gambits. At least half of your units should have attack-gambits to break multiple monster shields for ore. For the rest, either Stride, Impregnable Wall, or Dance of the Goddess. Whatever fits your play style.
    9. For a Maddening run, here’s a Team Suggestion for, let’s say, Blue Lions:
    - f!Byleth Falcon Knight (combat role)
    - Dimitri Great Lord with Dedue as his Guard Adjutant
    - Sylvain Paladin
    - Ingrid Falcon Knight (dodge tank role)
    - Felix War Master
    - Leonie Bow Knight
    - Bernadetta as Sniper or War Cleric
    - Lysithea or Annette Dark Flier
    - Mercedes Gremory
    - Marianne as Dancer (utility and dodge tank role)

  • @SilentVinyl
    @SilentVinyl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice

  • @Mr96POP
    @Mr96POP 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used Silence with Marianne a lot on the final map of my Verdant Wind Hard/Classic run, and it’s an effective way to deal with the Elites who have both magic and physical attack options, so silencing them allowed me to safely draw them in with my Fortress Knight Raphael.

    • @terranort4279
      @terranort4279 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I recently finished Verdant Wind Maddening. Honestly, Wind God on Claude is ridiculous. Add Failnaught and its special skill to that and yeah, just kill everyone from a distance.

  • @CherylDGoldie
    @CherylDGoldie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Even on first battle i cant beat it on maddening level

  • @prakharsinha4822
    @prakharsinha4822 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dude thanks for this, maddening makes me want to write a freaking essay every time I play a map because it feels so poorly designed.

    • @FabledStone
      @FabledStone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      u also call Dark Souls poorly designed huh

    • @prakharsinha4822
      @prakharsinha4822 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FabledStone nah I'm a souls head lol. I'm playing sekiro charmless demon Bell rn

  • @peytonibarra8992
    @peytonibarra8992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got to chapter 5 and realized I soft locked myself. RIP 4 hours of my life.

    • @selz7794
      @selz7794 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What softlocked you? Doing my first maddening play through

    • @michaeldanielson6206
      @michaeldanielson6206 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I softlocked myself in Chapter 14 of Crimson Flower, and I realized that my last save before then was Chapter 11. I had to replay all of Chapters 11-14 again just to get Petra from level 29 to level 30 so she could get +1 movement from Falcon Knight and be able to go kill the reinforcement-spawning enemies in the town.
      It was still a brutal battle, I would honestly call CF Chapter 14 harder than Chapter 17 if you don't understand the objective (they kind of give you two objectives at once, and I spent a while prioritizing the wrong objective).

    • @peytonibarra8992
      @peytonibarra8992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@selz7794 I invested too much into multiple units, so none were strong enough to actually kill any of the knights or the boss.

  • @fufzooz
    @fufzooz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd say to get good :)

  • @uhhhhhyeet5491
    @uhhhhhyeet5491 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:54 General GENERAL ITS pronouced JENRILL

  • @rhettmitchell
    @rhettmitchell 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh I thought everyone knew this stuff lol

  • @naiRISE766
    @naiRISE766 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    One small thing I don't think that it was intentional but around chapter 4 the enemy "upgrades" from iron weapon to steal weapon and I really recommend people to have everyone carrying a training weapon especially training bow since it weight nothing while the enemy got weight down a ton making almost everyone able to double and chip em down. They enemy upgrades to silver weapon that weight less and also more accuracy after time skipped though.

  • @AlphaC0re
    @AlphaC0re 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i am pro now

  • @9Nifty
    @9Nifty 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Frankly maddening isn't hard as long as the game is playing by it's own rules. The problem is when they hard force you to have your class alive and fed from the Act 1 to Act 2 transition otherwise you can get hard stuck. Like have you been leveling up your teacher recruits that's too damn bad, it's a waste of XP.

  • @charleouel9012
    @charleouel9012 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I prf playing on Hard not going to lie (because I alwas forget how the Gambit work so I just play it like a normal Fire emblem and it fell much more fair on Hard for that gameplay style)
    You do you ppl tho.
    I think Hard is pretty much perfect lvl (not too easy but not too hard Hell I lost like 3 or 4 unite alread well not I don't use the turn back time mechanique on Hard anymore)
    (I won't lie tho Silence is great 3 use it auto get back every map so you can use it whene ever you fell like it and it actually really good in some situation Metheor mages? Silence those damn annying mages)

    • @terranort4279
      @terranort4279 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I played CF on Hard because Maddening didn't come out yet when I did that run. Honestly it's waaay too freaking easy. At least Maddening offers a challenge... sometimes. Verdant Wind had a lot of challenging chapters... but I just started BL Maddening for the first time and my god, Dedue and Dimitri are broken. I feel like I'm playing easy mode. Especially Dedue, wtf he makes every mission a joke even on Maddening.

    • @charleouel9012
      @charleouel9012 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@terranort4279 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      what can I say I don't like dieing every 2 sec. and Hard is perfect if you won't want to use stats booster and gambit (2 thing I don't used much or at all) After that you do you if you like Mad fine for me I just not a fan of bullet spung enemies and there already alot on hard whit those beast.
      + I also don't recrute so there that...
      AKA I prf doing a limited Hard over a everything Mad
      Note: I don't like Dancer, Stats booster, and Gambit so I useally don'T used those (outside of gambit that are a most vs beast type and some moment like CF where there like 9 enemie around you that want to kill you so you can use a area one ot stop them form killing everyone.)
      Any way too bad you find the game a joke :)
      I just think Hard is the most fair difficulty.
      I did a frist game on Hard whit turn back time in CF it was really easy (I only die 2 time on the map where there green unite to save everywhere and I just tryed to saved everyone and I was out of charge for the boss and I die those 2 time vs the boss )
      And the second time I am playing SS No recrutement, no turn back time. And I won't lie That map frist map of the post skip was kinda fun tho also really bullshit I lost 2 unite in it Dorothea and Bernadetta (Dorothea got overwelm by being alone and Bernadetta got someone spawning in her face and killing her before I could do anything.)
      SORRY FOR THE BAD ENGLISH :)

  • @zunkgrass2341
    @zunkgrass2341 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don’t really get why the death knight is so feared in chapter 4. You just need to bait him with someone with at least 14 attack speed, and don’t get crit lol. On player phase, there are so many options, from gambits to knightkneeler to vengeance, you don’t even need to be consciously preparing for him most of the time. Black eagles struggle the most because they don’t have rally speed, but it’s still not that tough to get Petra or someone to 14 speed

    • @lorddragonskin3603
      @lorddragonskin3603 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reduced EXP in Maddening. And the unit still needs to survive the normal damage.
      Of course. One can just avoid DK (and lose the Dark Seal), or, alternatively, steal the Dark Seal (speed blessed?) before finishing the chapter objective.
      This is assuming you are playing without NG+ and you don't have an Armored Knight Dedue waiting with a Silver Shield, his personal battalion, Def +2, QR, and Def Up food.

    • @zunkgrass2341
      @zunkgrass2341 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lord Dragonskin Stealing from the death knight isn’t gonna happen without rally speed. And even a fragile unit like Petra can tank 1 hit from him. The only annoying thing is having to reroll rn when he lands the ~ 30% crit chance
      Edit: Seal Speed is another option for stealing, but the likelihood of a unit being level 10 going into the battle is very unlikely unless you focus hard on a unit. All this to say, yeah, you can steal the dark seal from the death knight, but it’s way easier to just kill him lol

    • @lorddragonskin3603
      @lorddragonskin3603 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zunkgrass2341 i agree.
      I have been able to bait him before. Unfortunately, my RNG sucks. Always get crited or died due to Joycon Drift misplacement with 0 Divine Pulses. (I got a new controller after that. Cuz the drift became unreal for my Joycon).

    • @ultimaterecoil1136
      @ultimaterecoil1136 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Connor swain magic units are fairly likely to be level ten from extra exp from healing magic. And the house’s dedicated healer can feasibly get to mid teens sometimes and if you use literally every use of heal and utility spell level 20 is actually possible ( though that’s unrealistic) physical attackers though would be about level 7

    • @elpopman2055
      @elpopman2055 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lorddragonskin3603 I sympathize with you on joycon drift.. I've reported it to Nintendo and still waiting for a response on when I can send my Joycon in for replacement.😂😂

  • @jakyllbased7270
    @jakyllbased7270 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not too sure why I'm watching this when I've already beaten all 4 routes non-NG+

  • @The_Rising_Tempest_Emilia
    @The_Rising_Tempest_Emilia 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chapter 4 was wild, I sacrificed Lorenz to the Death Knight as he was just insisting to not level anything good (9/9 str./mag. at level 6) so since I was fed up with him underperforming and wanted to flex on the death knight I did that.
    My nuke-loli (both berni and Lythesia) couldnt oneshot the Death Knight so I had to rely on Hilda to proc her crest so she could do enough damage so berni can oneshot.
    Did that, rip lorenz, rip my sanity of doing maddening without batallions, rip death knight. 31hours into the damn thing and only at chapter 9. My first playthrough was about 50 hours where I did everything... gotta get that shiny screen from doing maddening without NG+ and flex on every Death Knight that I can(flexed so far 3/4 pre-skip away so far)

  • @joaoaraujo9629
    @joaoaraujo9629 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maddenning is ridiculous loool Hard is super easy compared... They just don't know to balance difficulty on games...
    I can't pass chapter 6 fight with the DK withou losing 3 or 4 units from golden deer!! Just sucks

  • @callewilmer7842
    @callewilmer7842 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i litterly use a tank for the archer and lydithea for the mage and kill them next turn

  • @mikeandrade586
    @mikeandrade586 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How to beat maddening, isnt even playing proper maddening. New game plus is fuckin baby mode dude cmon.

  • @RenegadeVash
    @RenegadeVash 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    baiting is also a good strat. While people usually focus on getting most power house units that can 1 shot enemies, it is amazing to have a couple high def
    es + decent speed units to soak up series of hits to lure a group of enemies closer without endangering entire squad

    • @UlanielsCorner
      @UlanielsCorner 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shame they made 2 battalions that invalidate tank classes. Impregnable wall and the other one. Any character can tank and lethality can still proc...😕