When he said "build a better mouse trap", I had to laugh. There was a 70 Hemi Charger, back in the day, that the owner painted "Went rat hunting, be back in 10 seconds! It was a fast car.
Very nice, I bet that thing is fun! my 13 Ram 1500 5.7 is getting a forged 392 stroker put in at the moment with a nice torquey cam, can’t wait to hurt some feelings.
The fact that they made a 392 gen I hemi and a 392 gen III hemi leads to a lot of confusion. Kind of like a 5.0 Ford Windsor and a 5.0 Coyote. If you're searching for early 392 stuff you get mostly new 392 stuff in your search results.
I mean they can build Hell cats and demons that are double the power of anything they offered in the 60's and 70's and offer warranty. They have to be a pretty stout piece.
saw a 1957 392 hemi in my buddy's dad's garage back in 1980 or so. remember it well because it was the biggest engine I ever saw. it was huge! oh yeah, the good old days! thanks for the video!
I, too am an old line MoPar guy. My first car was an original flawless used 1971 Road Runner with a 383. After that, excepting a fully restored 1958 Plymouth Fury (a real one, which I still own) I drove Lincolns, BMWs, etc from the 90s to the present day. Mostly 1991-93-95 Lincoln Town Cars. Loved them as an everyday ride. I felt Chrysler had nothing to offer me. They were in the Minivan file. Then the 2005 300c came out and that changed everything. I was most impressed with the package, so I ordered one of the very first 06 300c SRT8s in black. Loaded with every option. I still have it. What I wasn't prepared for was how damn reliable the car has been. Outside of a battery, spark plugs, brakes, fluid, and a couple of tie rod end links, the car has been stone cold reliable. I was prepared for the opposite. And very, very fast. The 6.1 liter Hemi is incredible. I drive it and a 2015 GMC Sierra SLT. And that's a great pick up truck.
Good stuff 👍. What's even better is I LOVE 71 Roadrunners/ Satellites especially with a 72 grille swapped in. I actually like the 71 & 72's better than the 68, 69, and 70. I have also been collecting 58 Plymouth parts for the possibility of building a 1 off 1958 hardtop wagon. Bumper wings are a Must. I hope someone out there starts reproducing bumper wings.
My mom had a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee and it served her very well. I remember saying "If Chrysler built cars this well in the 80s, they wouldn't have been in so many mergers and sell-offs." It wasn't as good as the Honda CRV she has now, but she got a lot more car for her money when she bought the Jeep GC.
UT - devout adherent to all things MoPar old school. We are very fortunate to have such a knowledgeable instructor a click away. I'm a Ford guy and feel the same way about Chrysler products that you do about Fords. Still love dropping in and learning something about something every time. Thank you Uncles Kathy and Tony for producing consistently outstanding no bullshit videos.
Very cool Tony. Familiarizing yourself with the evolution of the classic hemis seems a natural evolution for you. Wouldn’t hurt to become a go-to guy for these youngsters!
~AWESOME OVERVIEW OF THE MODERN HEMI VS OLDER MOPAR ENGINES!! THANKS!! ~Glad is has Uncle Tony's approval!!!! ~My heart/dreams are with Mopar's pre 1979 (even the 80's-03 LA/magnum V8 even the LA V-10) ~But I love the 345ci (5.7)..370ci( 6.1)..392ci (6.4)& 376ci aka 6.2 Hellcat Supercharged Hemi! ~I like old Mopar's with period engines...I had great luck/reliability with my modern Hemi's..I owned them all over the years! ~Can't wait for this build!!
Alpha, really happy you got a chance to finally put hands on a modern gen III hemi and were impressed by the design! Back in the day, mopars in general and hemis in particular were arch rivals to those of us in the 'gm' camp. I can't speak for the 5.7 but the 6.4 in my Challenger is, in my opinion, a thoroughly impressive engine. It moves that 4200 lb behemoth exceedingly well. Loads of smooth power and tq throughout the RPM range. I will be closely watching content related to this build, since once I get the Procharger bolted on, I completely expect to grenade a piston in the 392 necessitating a (gen III) forged 426 build. Then I can REALLY turn up the wick. Perhaps we can collaborate in the future if (let's face it WHEN) necessary... BTW: "'self limiting belief and despair stage, and into pragmatic resignation" was an absolute GEM. I appreciate articulate, intelligence, with a little irony, self deprecation and snark added. lol
Tony I discovered your TH-cam videos purely by accident, I grew up in the muscle car era my dad wasn't in to cars as much as my brothers who ate, drank and breathed Mopar, I love your videos they cater to the little guy with great ideas and are super educational. They remind me of stuff I haven't applied in years to cars or engine building. Thanks Keep up the good work. Mike
These heads aren’t the ones who have valve seat issues, the D port heads on 5.7L Hemi’s are 09+ the good ones. The ones with the issue are the 06-08 square port exhaust hemi head.
@@Jkush463 I towed an 18ft boat with that charger and it handled as good as the mustang so the only downgrade I see is the additional two doors. Super happy with my purchases
Alright Uncle Tony!!! Gettin down with the Gen3s. That's what I know like the back of my hand. I work on them and tune on them at a premier Hemi performance shop, for a living. I'm slowly retro-learning the old stuff, the roots, that you're into. And your channel is TOP notch for that. The cylinder head that you have is from an 09+ year engine, and NO longer had the valve seat issues that the 03-08 had. So NO worries there. Lifter failure has been an off and on issue, which Chrysler just made a new revised lifter a couple years ago. People call it the Hellcat lifter upgrade, when in fact, it's the same lifter that now goes in anything Gen3. My 03 Ram with upgraded cam has 150k, and my 07 Charger Daytona R/T has 239k , neither have had lifter nor valve seat issues. Keep on Rockin with the videos, and learning process!
@@shaunclifton5281 A body or B body? Aftermarket K frame will save tons of work and headache. The alternator will want to run into the pass frame rail. I'd notch the pinchweld back to clear, then weld the seam closed. We went with a different OEM, alternator with a smaller case, BUT, we had to make a custom extended Alt. pulley to align the belt properly. Aftermarket steering shaft is a must, and would recommend a power steering rack. We used RMS, they made K frame equipped with rack, and motor mounts. If you go that route, the Hellcat P/S pump needs to be sent out and revalved, other wise it creates too high line pressure and blows seals out of the rack after a short while.
I used to have a 1958 Chrysler 392 Hemi. Had to do a lot of finagling to get it running. 330 Desto distributor, Rochester Quadrajet, coupled to a 727 TorqueFlite. Awesome memories. It is great watching you go through details. Makes me feel younger! :)
Tony replace the powdered metal seats with steel and you will never have a problem I worked at a dealer and replaced a ton of heads and engines over the years most were overheated main cause but some fall out for no reason they fixed it with the eagle heads
The new Hemis are easy to work on and mod. I’m not saying they don’t have issues but for the money it’s the best V8 out there. It’s versatile and is a torque monster that revs smoothly. I’ve had three in trucks with no issues. I’m excited to see how much Tony will adapt his knowledge to this project
Henry Dillard even if GM does kill the LS there is still millions of them around. They aren’t going away anytime soon. I highly doubt that the hemi will ever reach LS levels.
i work on these every day and im glad you like the design. i really like working on them. Did a timing chain recall the other day on a 2010 challenger with like 12 thousand miles.
Yet another build to follow!!!!! :):):) I was tempted to ask if you'd heard anything, from that last Hemi build. But, now We get to see this thing going together. COUNT ME WATCHING THIS! :):):)
Tony I love your work as not only are you well informed, but you're open minded. Especially after seeing your Hemi-subishi project intro, I really respect how you don't let your own mechanical preferences cloud your judgement on other cars and technologies.
Love to hear about the stuff from back in our day, I've been doing auto body work for 42 years. But just to let you know, bondo soaks up water............you might want to get the duster out of the rain. I live an hour south of you, if you need a hand with auto body advice.
UT asked for help. I'm *six* hours away and would probably be exhausted by the trip, fall in a puddle, be like, 'Give'us a beer for pity's sake,' and be useless creaky old lady. :)
Love my 5.7 hemi. 8 years ago I borrowed a 09 (daimler) 300C from a freind at a dealership for a wedding. (My own) had it for the weekend. I never gave it back. Bought it that monday and still drive it today. Fantastic motor. Also, I just watched your video about the red scam duster. Wow what an eye opener! Funny, my buddy in high school bought a 72 duster all original slant 6 at a police auction for 10 bucks! Now they're 15 to 20 grand! Who knew? Cheers.
The reason why the valve seats drop on those because the seats are made put of powder metal and since aluminum expands under heat and powder metal don't so when you shit you car off a valve is left open then the seat drops then you start you engine then is destroys it. So the machine shop cuts all the seat put and puts regular harden seat so it doesn't happen again
I could listen to you all day. I can see the passion in your eyes. More content on the 3Gen Hemi. Thank you
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Love the going through and your first impressions, good to know that they seem like fairly sturdy blocks and decent design. Yeah valve seats...that's an issue and some had lifters/cams that would go out (most assume because of crap lifter bearings giving out others say lower idle oil pressure. Who knows, maybe a mix. Can't wait for this build,
Thanks Tony, informative and points out the improvements they made. Wonder how much was Daimler and how much was the old Mopar guys wanting to do things to improve on the second generation hemi. I see everyone raving about LS engines and how awesome they are and it's nice to see some actual info on the new hemi. Hopefully more people start playing with them.
From what I’ve heard somebody makes a timing cover for the gen 3 that allows you to run a distributor so I’m sure its possible. Don’t know who makes it and I haven’t tried to look
We are only spirits in the material world! Learning so much. Keep it up and maybe some footage at the machine shop. Would love to see the engine block being bored......wait...that's what she said!
2009 up gen 3 Hemi AKA The Eagle engine does not have valve seat problems but they do have VVT cams you can take a earlier gen3 engine and a later gen 3 Eagle heads and get 12 and 1/2 to 1 compression
It would be cool to see Uncle Tony take a modern Hemi and convert it to carb and distributor and see what it does in one of his cars. Old school build on a modern power plant in a old school classic mopar.
The first time I test drove a Challenger in like 2011 with a 5.7 and the 6 speed I was totally converted to Mopar and the Hemi, there is simply no competition. I loved my Challenger and now my 2014 Ram with the 5.7 they are so tough, strong, dependable, and will pull almost anything with ease. I would LOVE to see Tony build a nice Gen 3 with possibly the Edelbrock dual carb setup or something like that, would be amazing stuffed into a classic Mopar!
I am also in the process of learning about the 5.7 3rd gen hemi. I am in the early process of rebuilding one to put in my 83 d150. Should be awesome when it's done. For sure have the machine shop solder the valve guides and that should fix any future valve drop.
Uncle T, my buddy just told me he's seen 3 different early gen 3 Hemi's with dropped valve seats after overheating. Some friends I wouldn't believe. This friend telling me this means it's an issue that needs addressed. I love your channel BTW
Tony, one of your better videos. I do see the need for four bolt end caps. Just because of all the "Things" people hang on the ends of a engine. .. This will be one of your educational books/videos.. The planned development of the Hemi ... The block of Performance. Again thank you for helping us all.
I am sure you know this. Body filler is like a sponge it will soak in water. Then when you seal it the metal under it will rust. Moisture sealed in will also cause problems with the finish,bubbles and such. I have 20 years in the body industry I see it time to time were someone let the filler get wet and it caused major problems a year or so later.
Can't say how happy I am that such a hardcore Mopar man didn't bitch that they changed the head design by adding a quench, and that he's actually excited to build it! Can't wait to see what he does to it!
Hey, Tony. That is a later Eagle 5.7 (2009+) and doesn’t have the valve seat issues, but can have lifter issues if they are MDS (multiple displacement system). If the valve seats look good, touch them up and leave them. Get non MDS lifters and you are off to the races. I agree, great design. Dropped one in my 78 D100 Utiline short box. Rebuilding the trans now (545RFE). Should be fun! Keep it up!
You should compare the 5.7 hemi block to a 5.3 ls block and see much of the design chrysler "borrowed" from the LS. Heads are completly different though. I can see you are excited, cant wait!
Wish he would build one for himself. Ebay turbo and Holley sniper, not too many wires and computer is built in. Looks like carb and its simple. Basically TBI they have some that support about 850hp 1500$ kit or 600hp kit I got that was 1200$ with high revving n/a motor and put it in a old dart or challenger 👌
TL Norman The ecu is located inside the throttle body injector What could go wrong. I have installed a sniper unit in a ford bronco. ... You have to modify the fuel tank. And in the end. If you ever have a problem out in the real world, your fucked. Like, the tiny wires and micro plugs between the display..... All you gotta do is believe that there is no way a tiny piece of plastic will ever break. Or a tiny wire will never vibrate through the insulation.
@@fastinradfordable yeah, I would rather use one of those mpfi units, even if building the map is a pain in the ass and requires a gaming level computer to to real time adjusting.
Love the old stuff, but the new stuff has a lot of great engineering and its cool to dig into and learn. Im gonna be doing my first new Hemi soon too so ill be watching close!!!
Looking forward to more info on these late model Hemis. You mentioned the 426 having a flow restriction due to the dome on the piston. Wondering how much that dome hurts flame travel or is this a minor issue. By the way AWESOME shirt !! Rock on !!
Go with 2009 and later eagle 5.7 heads........ the valve seat issue was corrected with those... main reason for dropped valve seats is unexpected overheating.... (aluminum heads and steel valve seats) expansion differences loosen them up and ...... well u get it
The thing with the valve seats is that the head is aluminum and the seats are steel. Very common these days actually. These engines were a little more prone to dropping them when the aluminum expanded, and during enough heat cycles. My thermostat failed shut during a cold winter when I was warming my truck up. Came back wasn't running. Prognosis, overheated and dropped valve seats. The Achilles foot of this engine Got a new engine, and for some reason my thermostats kept failing. Probably because you can only get cheap garbage at part stores now. Solid engine. Just gotta keep an eye on the temperature gauge.
Tony, the issue with valve seats is a materials issue, tends to happen after over heating. The newer 5.7L hemi, 09 or newer, has a different head with different valve seats and will fix it if you can find a set of junk yard heads. The other bonus on that as well if you are staying NA with this is that the quench zones are bigger on the eagle/09+ heads so you can bump the compression ratio significantly with a head swap.
@@skylinefever I've seen more valve seat failures on the old Ford 1.9 than I've seen on any of the others. And I've seen way more Hemi lifter/cam failures than I've seen valve seats drop on all brands combined.
See if you can get your hands on the 2009 or later 5.7 "eagle" hemi heads, they flow a lot better than what you have there. They have square exhaust ports, bigger valves, and the slightly smaller chamber gives you a bump in compression ratio.
Hi Uncle, I really love to see U looking on newer engines; Even if its only as a "cultural" thing. this engines are prone to kill lifters, maybe because a lubrication problem. what do you think about lube circuit to lifters?
You are welcome to work on my 6.1 liter hemi. It is misfiring and I am told that the early 3rd generation hemis have issues with valve seats coming loose and sometimes damaging the cinder bore, and the lifters and camshafts wear out very fast. I am a clueless mechanic but I will be taking g the engine apart within the next few weeks. Pray for me and my car poor 300C. Great video.
Do you remember Wendy O Williams and the Plasmatics? Now we have a new incarnation of : Uncle Tony and the Pragmatics!!! Lol! Get their new album now!!!!! Holy shit sticks Batman, look at the mongonsterous size of the intake valves!!!! Wow!!! They're fucking HUGE!!! Plus, like the old school race Hemis with the double spark plugs, you get your fuel ignited for sure! I wondered why they didn't have 4 valves per chamber, but with monster valves as huge as they are,who needs them!?! Thanks for showing us the guts and stuff guys, I really appreciate it!!!!!
look at the size of those valves. Wow. They pretty much take up the whole combustion chamber. Lol. I don’t know if this helps UT but I know the 3.7 and 4.7 would drop valve seats when over heated.
I don’t know but I thought the quench on the heads was to lower nox for emissions and raise the compression a little to use a smaller piston I remember somthing on utube on shovelheads engines that the new evolution engines and that is why the evo head is shaped that way and not a hemi like the shovelhead I can’t remember thou but keep up the good work and I do injoy your videos buy the why what’s the gas mileage on the swinger keep us posted thanx
Yes, I am sure the #1 reason combustion chambers are given their shapes is to limit smog. I think it is a huge reason why so many cars have 4V cylinder heads.
Always enjoy your videos. The knowledge you have is invaluable. Was thinking about doing something similar here in AZ. Not so much in regards to the In-depth knowledge but more or less how to keep these ole gals on the road and what needs to be done to KISS principle on Mopar, Chevy, and Ford
Another great review Tony! I like the way your excited about the gen 3. They really did do their homework with these. They even picked the minds of the old engine engineers to see what they would change or alter. Later 6.1 and 6.4 are even more impressive, Let alone the hellcats. They only thing I question on them is the totally enclosed camshaft. If you look at any other Chrysler V-8 the top areas of the camshaft tunnel are open or have open slots that allow the drainback oil to flow back down over the camshaft when draining back to the pan. So reduced oil coverage compared to any previous Chrysler V-8. And these new Gen 3 Hemis are the ONLY Chrysler engines to ever have any kind of camshaft/lifter issues.?? Seems like more than a coincidence...... Thanks Tony!
I noticed Bottle Rocket looking at that new Hemi block and I swear I heard "that's what I'm talkin about" in the background audio. You have to listen close to hear it over the pouring rain...does the rain EVER stop there?!?
Building my 6.1 hemi now and stuck at full dissemble, I know I'm not in over my head just yet, just stuck at deciding what machine shop things to do like valve guides and if I need to line hone the crank journals.. minimal things preferably. Getting my clearances....just now idk. Just following your videos hoping one day it sparks enough fuel in me to get some progress back on it
Loved the smile as he said hes learning something,thats what I love about this channel.
When he said "build a better mouse trap", I had to laugh. There was a 70 Hemi Charger, back in the day, that the owner painted "Went rat hunting, be back in 10 seconds! It was a fast car.
I just got my 70 duster running with the 392 hemi.... the dam thing hauls ass!! Most powerful engine ive had in the car, and its soo smooth too
Outstanding early Hemi.
510CurtDawg would love to see a video.Maybee ?
Edward VP videos are up on my youtube
Very nice, I bet that thing is fun!
my 13 Ram 1500 5.7 is getting a forged 392 stroker put in at the moment with a nice torquey cam, can’t wait to hurt some feelings.
The fact that they made a 392 gen I hemi and a 392 gen III hemi leads to a lot of confusion. Kind of like a 5.0 Ford Windsor and a 5.0 Coyote. If you're searching for early 392 stuff you get mostly new 392 stuff in your search results.
Love the shirt Tony. Can't wait to learn more on these modern hemis
I was thinking the same about the shirt. And I'm a Ford guy through and through lol
I mean they can build Hell cats and demons that are double the power of anything they offered in the 60's and 70's and offer warranty. They have to be a pretty stout piece.
Not hard to make double the power of a 70s engine.
saw a 1957 392 hemi in my buddy's dad's garage back in 1980 or so. remember it well because it was the biggest engine I ever saw. it was huge! oh yeah, the good old days! thanks for the video!
I, too am an old line MoPar guy. My first car was an original flawless used 1971 Road Runner with a 383. After that, excepting a fully restored 1958 Plymouth Fury (a real one, which I still own) I drove Lincolns, BMWs, etc from the 90s to the present day. Mostly 1991-93-95 Lincoln Town Cars. Loved them as an everyday ride. I felt Chrysler had nothing to offer me. They were in the Minivan file.
Then the 2005 300c came out and that changed everything. I was most impressed with the package, so I ordered one of the very first 06 300c SRT8s in black. Loaded with every option. I still have it. What I wasn't prepared for was how damn reliable the car has been. Outside of a battery, spark plugs, brakes, fluid, and a couple of tie rod end links, the car has been stone cold reliable. I was prepared for the opposite. And very, very fast. The 6.1 liter Hemi is incredible. I drive it and a 2015 GMC Sierra SLT. And that's a great pick up truck.
Good stuff 👍. What's even better is I LOVE 71 Roadrunners/ Satellites especially with a 72 grille swapped in. I actually like the 71 & 72's better than the 68, 69, and 70. I have also been collecting 58 Plymouth parts for the possibility of building a 1 off 1958 hardtop wagon. Bumper wings are a Must. I hope someone out there starts reproducing bumper wings.
Is there anything that you would change with your 451 ? I also have one of the 1st production run 230-1 400 blocks that I want to stroke.
My mom had a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee and it served her very well. I remember saying "If Chrysler built cars this well in the 80s, they wouldn't have been in so many mergers and sell-offs." It wasn't as good as the Honda CRV she has now, but she got a lot more car for her money when she bought the Jeep GC.
Glad you touched on the valve seats dropping. I worked at a machine shop over the last 2 years and saw 3 hemi motors come in for that issue
UT - devout adherent to all things MoPar old school. We are very fortunate to have such a knowledgeable instructor a click away. I'm a Ford guy and feel the same way about Chrysler products that you do about Fords. Still love dropping in and learning something about something every time. Thank you Uncles Kathy and Tony for producing consistently outstanding no bullshit videos.
Very cool Tony. Familiarizing yourself with the evolution of the classic hemis seems a natural evolution for you. Wouldn’t hurt to become a go-to guy for these youngsters!
~AWESOME OVERVIEW OF THE MODERN HEMI VS OLDER MOPAR ENGINES!! THANKS!!
~Glad is has Uncle Tony's approval!!!!
~My heart/dreams are with Mopar's pre 1979 (even the 80's-03 LA/magnum V8 even the LA V-10)
~But I love the 345ci (5.7)..370ci( 6.1)..392ci (6.4)& 376ci aka 6.2 Hellcat Supercharged Hemi!
~I like old Mopar's with period engines...I had great luck/reliability with my modern Hemi's..I owned them all over the years!
~Can't wait for this build!!
Alpha, really happy you got a chance to finally put hands on a modern gen III hemi and were impressed by the design! Back in the day, mopars in general and hemis in particular were arch rivals to those of us in the 'gm' camp. I can't speak for the 5.7 but the 6.4 in my Challenger is, in my opinion, a thoroughly impressive engine. It moves that 4200 lb behemoth exceedingly well. Loads of smooth power and tq throughout the RPM range. I will be closely watching content related to this build, since once I get the Procharger bolted on, I completely expect to grenade a piston in the 392 necessitating a (gen III) forged 426 build. Then I can REALLY turn up the wick. Perhaps we can collaborate in the future if (let's face it WHEN) necessary...
BTW: "'self limiting belief and despair stage, and into pragmatic resignation" was an absolute GEM. I appreciate articulate, intelligence, with a little irony, self deprecation and snark added. lol
I just get genuine enjoyment from this channel. Just car guy talking about no nonsense car stuff and loving it.
Tony I discovered your TH-cam videos purely by accident, I grew up in the muscle car era my dad wasn't in to cars as much as my brothers who ate, drank and breathed Mopar, I love your videos they cater to the little guy with great ideas and are super educational. They remind me of stuff I haven't applied in years to cars or engine building. Thanks Keep up the good work.
Mike
These heads aren’t the ones who have valve seat issues, the D port heads on 5.7L Hemi’s are 09+ the good ones. The ones with the issue are the 06-08 square port exhaust hemi head.
Mine has over 187k miles no valve seat issue
Your shirt is true I went from a mustang to a charger and then replaced it with a 300 and haven't looked back since
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down graded twice, played your self.
@@Jkush463 I towed an 18ft boat with that charger and it handled as good as the mustang so the only downgrade I see is the additional two doors. Super happy with my purchases
@@thunderhead786 keep telling your self that
@@Jkush463 I'll even recommend it to others too :)
Alright Uncle Tony!!! Gettin down with the Gen3s. That's what I know like the back of my hand. I work on them and tune on them at a premier Hemi performance shop, for a living. I'm slowly retro-learning the old stuff, the roots, that you're into. And your channel is TOP notch for that. The cylinder head that you have is from an 09+ year engine, and NO longer had the valve seat issues that the 03-08 had. So NO worries there. Lifter failure has been an off and on issue, which Chrysler just made a new revised lifter a couple years ago. People call it the Hellcat lifter upgrade, when in fact, it's the same lifter that now goes in anything Gen3. My 03 Ram with upgraded cam has 150k, and my 07 Charger Daytona R/T has 239k , neither have had lifter nor valve seat issues.
Keep on Rockin with the videos, and learning process!
Cool, Jack. Where is the shop ? Any suggestions before purchasing a Hellcrate for a 64 Mopar ?
@@shaunclifton5281 A body or B body? Aftermarket K frame will save tons of work and headache. The alternator will want to run into the pass frame rail. I'd notch the pinchweld back to clear, then weld the seam closed. We went with a different OEM, alternator with a smaller case, BUT, we had to make a custom extended Alt. pulley to align the belt properly. Aftermarket steering shaft is a must, and would recommend a power steering rack. We used RMS, they made K frame equipped with rack, and motor mounts. If you go that route, the Hellcat P/S pump needs to be sent out and revalved, other wise it creates too high line pressure and blows seals out of the rack after a short while.
@@shaunclifton5281 Shop is in Level Cross, NC
@@jackmcrae5540 Yes, I am going with the AlterKtion from Reilly . It's a 1964 2 door hardtop Valiant station wagon.
@@jackmcrae5540 Now who is doing the revalve job on the ps pump.
I used to have a 1958 Chrysler 392 Hemi. Had to do a lot of finagling to get it running. 330 Desto distributor, Rochester Quadrajet, coupled to a 727 TorqueFlite. Awesome memories. It is great watching you go through details. Makes me feel younger! :)
Tony replace the powdered metal seats with steel and you will never have a problem I worked at a dealer and replaced a ton of heads and engines over the years most were overheated main cause but some fall out for no reason they fixed it with the eagle heads
Hemi Harmony... The sound waves of excellence! AWESOME! First new gen for me. I like it! THNX!
Absolutely love it when the TEACHER learns new stuff, I just sit back and suck up all the new teachings. Bring on more lessons. :)
What’s up Tony looking forward to your hemi build 🤘
BEAUTIFUL to see that smile of learning!! I get that every day at work! Never gets old!
Stay safe! Keep learning! Peace and love my friend!!
I like the joy expressed over the design improvements. Its pure joy.
The new Hemis are easy to work on and mod. I’m not saying they don’t have issues but for the money it’s the best V8 out there. It’s versatile and is a torque monster that revs smoothly. I’ve had three in trucks with no issues.
I’m excited to see how much Tony will adapt his knowledge to this project
These are going to get popular especially if gm truly kills the L.s. motor.
Henry Dillard even if GM does kill the LS there is still millions of them around. They aren’t going away anytime soon. I highly doubt that the hemi will ever reach LS levels.
i work on these every day and im glad you like the design. i really like working on them. Did a timing chain recall the other day on a 2010 challenger with like 12 thousand miles.
Yet another build to follow!!!!! :):):) I was tempted to ask if you'd heard anything, from that last Hemi build. But, now We get to see this thing going together. COUNT ME WATCHING THIS! :):):)
I can see the spark in your eyes that the new engine has ignited and it makes the video even more enjoyable.
I have no clue what any of this means but I was absolutely captivated. So much to learn. Time to binge watch.
Hey it's pouring rain there too!!! NC is nothing but WATER!!! Uncle Tony the new Hemi master!
Just reached where im at in Virginia when this video started, lmao!
Tony I love your work as not only are you well informed, but you're open minded. Especially after seeing your Hemi-subishi project intro, I really respect how you don't let your own mechanical preferences cloud your judgement on other cars and technologies.
Love to hear about the stuff from back in our day, I've been doing auto body work for 42 years.
But just to let you know, bondo soaks up water............you might want to get the duster out of the rain.
I live an hour south of you, if you need a hand with auto body advice.
UT asked for help. I'm *six* hours away and would probably be exhausted by the trip, fall in a puddle, be like, 'Give'us a beer for pity's sake,' and be useless creaky old lady. :)
John.
Go help tony.
He sounds like he really needs you.
Tony is like me, easily defeated by himself
Save your breath Uncle Tony knows everything, just ask him!
I'm impressed how meaty the modern hemi is. Usually the newer it is the crappier it is. Thanks for the video UT!!!
Love my 5.7 hemi. 8 years ago I borrowed a 09 (daimler) 300C from a freind at a dealership for a wedding. (My own) had it for the weekend. I never gave it back. Bought it that monday and still drive it today. Fantastic motor.
Also, I just watched your video about the red scam duster. Wow what an eye opener! Funny, my buddy in high school bought a 72 duster all original slant 6 at a police auction for 10 bucks! Now they're 15 to 20 grand! Who knew? Cheers.
The reason why the valve seats drop on those because the seats are made put of powder metal and since aluminum expands under heat and powder metal don't so when you shit you car off a valve is left open then the seat drops then you start you engine then is destroys it. So the machine shop cuts all the seat put and puts regular harden seat so it doesn't happen again
Powdered metal rods on the 7.3 powerstroke suck.
Not suprising powdered metal sucks more for this application as well.
It is awesome to see Tony excited!!
I could listen to you all day. I can see the passion in your eyes. More content on the 3Gen Hemi. Thank you
Love the going through and your first impressions, good to know that they seem like fairly sturdy blocks and decent design. Yeah valve seats...that's an issue and some had lifters/cams that would go out (most assume because of crap lifter bearings giving out others say lower idle oil pressure. Who knows, maybe a mix. Can't wait for this build,
Thanks Tony, informative and points out the improvements they made. Wonder how much was Daimler and how much was the old Mopar guys wanting to do things to improve on the second generation hemi. I see everyone raving about LS engines and how awesome they are and it's nice to see some actual info on the new hemi. Hopefully more people start playing with them.
I see uncle tony figuring out out to get one to run off points and a carb just to say "look at what i did"
What's wrong w that lmao
From what I’ve heard somebody makes a timing cover for the gen 3 that allows you to run a distributor so I’m sure its possible. Don’t know who makes it and I haven’t tried to look
We are only spirits in the material world! Learning so much. Keep it up and maybe some footage at the machine shop. Would love to see the engine block being bored......wait...that's what she said!
2009 up gen 3 Hemi AKA The Eagle engine does not have valve seat problems but they do have VVT cams you can take a earlier gen3 engine and a later gen 3 Eagle heads and get 12 and 1/2 to 1 compression
Sweet!
Great perspective on new gen Hemi! Love your take on it
Love learning about all this new/old stuff. THX Tony!
It would be cool to see Uncle Tony take a modern Hemi and convert it to carb and distributor and see what it does in one of his cars. Old school build on a modern power plant in a old school classic mopar.
It’s going in Kiwi’s Itchapussi.
I love you're channel and am learning with you. thanks Tony
The first time I test drove a Challenger in like 2011 with a 5.7 and the 6 speed I was totally converted to Mopar and the Hemi, there is simply no competition. I loved my Challenger and now my 2014 Ram with the 5.7 they are so tough, strong, dependable, and will pull almost anything with ease. I would LOVE to see Tony build a nice Gen 3 with possibly the Edelbrock dual carb setup or something like that, would be amazing stuffed into a classic Mopar!
I’m doing bodywork on an old kayak...but I still watch and feel part of the club
I am also in the process of learning about the 5.7 3rd gen hemi. I am in the early process of rebuilding one to put in my 83 d150. Should be awesome when it's done. For sure have the machine shop solder the valve guides and that should fix any future valve drop.
Great video I think Tom Hoover had a hand raising the cam to get a better push rod angle you are an engineer as well as a mechanic
“Old School” goes to school - pretty cool!
Uncle T, my buddy just told me he's seen 3 different early gen 3 Hemi's with dropped valve seats after overheating. Some friends I wouldn't believe. This friend telling me this means it's an issue that needs addressed. I love your channel BTW
umm...its been addressed since 09
Mine dropped without overheating
Tony, one of your better videos. I do see the need for four bolt end caps. Just because of all the "Things" people hang on the ends of a engine. .. This will be one of your educational books/videos.. The planned development of the Hemi ... The block of Performance. Again thank you for helping us all.
I am sure you know this. Body filler is like a sponge it will soak in water. Then when you seal it the metal under it will rust. Moisture sealed in will also cause problems with the finish,bubbles and such. I have 20 years in the body industry I see it time to time were someone let the filler get wet and it caused major problems a year or so later.
Thanks Brother.. seriously I'm listening I hate body work, but for sure don't want to mess up.. peace
Great video. The only problem I’ve ever seen with the new Hemi is timing chain failure and valve spring failure. Very good engine!
Can't say how happy I am that such a hardcore Mopar man didn't bitch that they changed the head design by adding a quench, and that he's actually excited to build it! Can't wait to see what he does to it!
Really wish I had a 6.4L BGE block to send you. I love that you love the new design also. 👍
Hey, Tony. That is a later Eagle 5.7 (2009+) and doesn’t have the valve seat issues, but can have lifter issues if they are MDS (multiple displacement system). If the valve seats look good, touch them up and leave them. Get non MDS lifters and you are off to the races. I agree, great design. Dropped one in my 78 D100 Utiline short box. Rebuilding the trans now (545RFE). Should be fun! Keep it up!
You should compare the 5.7 hemi block to a 5.3 ls block and see much of the design chrysler "borrowed" from the LS. Heads are completly different though. I can see you are excited, cant wait!
Very clear explanation for a layman. Thank you.
Would be cool seeing you in something with a Turbo Modern Hemi
Wish he would build one for himself.
Ebay turbo and Holley sniper, not too many wires and computer is built in. Looks like carb and its simple. Basically TBI they have some that support about 850hp 1500$ kit or 600hp kit I got that was 1200$ with high revving n/a motor and put it in a old dart or challenger 👌
I've heard that the stock computer freaks out when you try to run forced induction. Says "too much air!!!" And doesn't know what to do.
CARBURETOR!!!
TL Norman
The ecu is located inside the throttle body injector
What could go wrong.
I have installed a sniper unit in a ford bronco. ...
You have to modify the fuel tank.
And in the end. If you ever have a problem out in the real world, your fucked.
Like, the tiny wires and micro plugs between the display.....
All you gotta do is believe that there is no way a tiny piece of plastic will ever break.
Or a tiny wire will never vibrate through the insulation.
@@fastinradfordable yeah, I would rather use one of those mpfi units, even if building the map is a pain in the ass and requires a gaming level computer to to real time adjusting.
Love the old stuff, but the new stuff has a lot of great engineering and its cool to dig into and learn. Im gonna be doing my first new Hemi soon too so ill be watching close!!!
Man buddy you look genuinely happy to be working on that 5.7this is going to be exciting for us the viewers
Looking forward to more info on these late model Hemis.
You mentioned the 426 having a flow restriction due to the dome on the piston. Wondering how much that dome hurts flame travel or is this a minor issue. By the way AWESOME shirt !! Rock on !!
G'day Uncle Tony. Always something new to learn. 👍
Amazing the size of the oil holes, and I still get better oil pressure than my LS1 when using 5w-20 in thr Hemi.
Thanks I'm old so only know about the old Mopar engines.
I have never owned the new model Chrysler engines.
This man is absolutely obsessed with engines. Hell yea.
Go with 2009 and later eagle 5.7 heads........ the valve seat issue was corrected with those... main reason for dropped valve seats is unexpected overheating.... (aluminum heads and steel valve seats) expansion differences loosen them up and ...... well u get it
The thing with the valve seats is that the head is aluminum and the seats are steel. Very common these days actually. These engines were a little more prone to dropping them when the aluminum expanded, and during enough heat cycles. My thermostat failed shut during a cold winter when I was warming my truck up. Came back wasn't running. Prognosis, overheated and dropped valve seats. The Achilles foot of this engine
Got a new engine, and for some reason my thermostats kept failing. Probably because you can only get cheap garbage at part stores now. Solid engine. Just gotta keep an eye on the temperature gauge.
Tony, the issue with valve seats is a materials issue, tends to happen after over heating. The newer 5.7L hemi, 09 or newer, has a different head with different valve seats and will fix it if you can find a set of junk yard heads. The other bonus on that as well if you are staying NA with this is that the quench zones are bigger on the eagle/09+ heads so you can bump the compression ratio significantly with a head swap.
Brilliant comparison and exposition on the Hemi's. But I am such a warped individual, I keep eyeing the Slant 6 in back.
Man UT you are very knowledgeable, wish I lived near you , all my mods on my hemi would be done by UTG , just watching your videos tells me a lot !
sounds like chrysler repeated fords 3.0l valve seat drop. when i saw them, they were usually low on coolant and running a little on the warm side.
I heard that the issue was even worse on the 1.9L and 2.0L SPI engines.
@@skylinefever honestly never seen it on them as much as the 3.0 which was used in the taurus of the time and they were a dime a dozen.
@@skylinefever I've seen more valve seat failures on the old Ford 1.9 than I've seen on any of the others.
And I've seen way more Hemi lifter/cam failures than I've seen valve seats drop on all brands combined.
You are a wealth of knowledge! Love the channel!
See if you can get your hands on the 2009 or later 5.7 "eagle" hemi heads, they flow a lot better than what you have there. They have square exhaust ports, bigger valves, and the slightly smaller chamber gives you a bump in compression ratio.
Those are eagle heads...
From what I heard the eagle heads also resolve the valve seat problem.
sczuylevch13 yes
@@TheTazzman1968 Had to go look at mine, you're absolutely right. Memory isn't what is used to be apparently.
Guru1ofatl no prob..I was the one that supplied the motor for the build..👍
All I know about these motors is they are more than plenty to make a full size ram fly. Kinda cool to see the comparison of new to old
Great breakdown and great insights, something to really look forward to.
Hi Uncle, I really love to see U looking on newer engines; Even if its only as a "cultural" thing. this engines are prone to kill lifters, maybe because a lubrication problem. what do you think about lube circuit to lifters?
No oil hole from lifters to lube rollers is the cause I've heard. Corrected with proper oiling.
I use Shell Rotella in my 2005 ram, and pray for the catalític converters.... if a roller stuck, i hope it slides like a flat tapet
Do you think it could be the way the lifters are guided straight against the camshaft?
I think the cause for the lifter failure is more to do with a manufacturer issue then an oil issue with the engine. I could be wrong though.
@@felixlafuente9714 why would that be a problem? Rollers ALWAYS need to be straight relative to the cam.
Yes a man that does not know everything and still learning ! ( good job uncle Tony )
Thanks for video Chief👍🏻🇺🇸
Love your analysis of the new Hemi! Now you’ve got to dig into an LS. 😀
You are welcome to work on my 6.1 liter hemi. It is misfiring and I am told that the early 3rd generation hemis have issues with valve seats coming loose and sometimes damaging the cinder bore, and the lifters and camshafts wear out very fast. I am a clueless mechanic but I will be taking g the engine apart within the next few weeks. Pray for me and my car poor 300C. Great video.
Thanks Tony Another great video.
Do you remember Wendy O Williams and the Plasmatics? Now we have a new incarnation of : Uncle Tony and the Pragmatics!!! Lol! Get their new album now!!!!! Holy shit sticks Batman, look at the mongonsterous size of the intake valves!!!! Wow!!! They're fucking HUGE!!! Plus, like the old school race Hemis with the double spark plugs, you get your fuel ignited for sure! I wondered why they didn't have 4 valves per chamber, but with monster valves as huge as they are,who needs them!?! Thanks for showing us the guts and stuff guys, I really appreciate it!!!!!
look at the size of those valves. Wow. They pretty much take up the whole combustion chamber. Lol. I don’t know if this helps UT but I know the 3.7 and 4.7 would drop valve seats when over heated.
What an absolute legend, Rock on uncle Tony !
I had no idea what he was talking about till I seen the dual plugs in an aluminum head . These are the modern hemis he’s learning about .
I don’t know but I thought the quench on the heads was to lower nox for emissions and raise the compression a little to use a smaller piston I remember somthing on utube on shovelheads engines that the new evolution engines and that is why the evo head is shaped that way and not a hemi like the shovelhead I can’t remember thou but keep up the good work and I do injoy your videos buy the why what’s the gas mileage on the swinger keep us posted thanx
Yes, I am sure the #1 reason combustion chambers are given their shapes is to limit smog. I think it is a huge reason why so many cars have 4V cylinder heads.
Always enjoy your videos. The knowledge you have is invaluable. Was thinking about doing something similar here in AZ. Not so much in regards to the In-depth knowledge but more or less how to keep these ole gals on the road and what needs to be done to KISS principle on Mopar, Chevy, and Ford
Another great review Tony! I like the way your excited about the gen 3. They really did do their homework with these. They even picked the minds of the old engine engineers to see what they would change or alter. Later 6.1 and 6.4 are even more impressive, Let alone the hellcats. They only thing I question on them is the totally enclosed camshaft. If you look at any other Chrysler V-8 the top areas of the camshaft tunnel are open or have open slots that allow the drainback oil to flow back down over the camshaft when draining back to the pan. So reduced oil coverage compared to any previous Chrysler V-8. And these new Gen 3 Hemis are the ONLY Chrysler engines to ever have any kind of camshaft/lifter issues.?? Seems like more than a coincidence...... Thanks Tony!
I'm glad uncle tony is impressed with the new hemi
I noticed Bottle Rocket looking at that new Hemi block and I swear I heard "that's what I'm talkin about" in the background audio. You have to listen close to hear it over the pouring rain...does the rain EVER stop there?!?
I see Uncle Tony smile and very giddy 👍
Love early Hemi engines which is why I have a 56 DeSoto never thought the modern Hemi was similar though.
Edelbrock and holley have carbureted adaptions for the fuel injected hemis , and they work as well if not the same
I'd never seen inside a "new" Hemi. I'm impressed.
Unk I'm sending you all the energy I can to keep going cuz your a national treasure keep going🤘🤘
Well put
How do you like the cracked rod cap idea ? Super tight tolerances in there and do not stamp those rods
Building my 6.1 hemi now and stuck at full dissemble, I know I'm not in over my head just yet, just stuck at deciding what machine shop things to do like valve guides and if I need to line hone the crank journals.. minimal things preferably. Getting my clearances....just now idk. Just following your videos hoping one day it sparks enough fuel in me to get some progress back on it