I agree. Never been an avid fan but know he's a great content creator but after his handling of the throat grab and stuff like this I'm starting to watch more of his content. He seems like an awesome guy.
10 years of lifting, French Press is my favorite triceps exercise, I've been doing this variation since the video came out and 100% recommend it. Most important advice I have is to focus on standing really straight and close to the pulley as you will have the tendency to change your posture to make it easier.
When you first started it did you have problems lifting heavier weights I do his previous rindition of this where he steps forward I can barely make it to 30 pounds without feeling like I’m leaning all the way forward
It takes me about 5 seconds to get to the starting position. Its an u usual stance but standing tall and engaging the glutes ans core; ensuring the body is tight (no energy leaks) is so important.
@@BenChasae I did have to reduce the load, but the important part is the stress you put your muscle under and how well you apply the technique, not the amount you're lifting :)
literally all he did was decrease his rom... making a significantly worse variation of the press besides the advice to stand up tall which is negligible in the case of compounding movements
I mean he is not wrong in terms of it would stretch the LATERAL and MEDIAL heads more because moving your elbows forward would make shoulder flexion easier, therefore more likely increasing the range of motion on those two heads. but, with the elbow moving forward on the eccentric and back on the concentric means that for the LONG head, the eccentric stretches at the elbow but shortens at the shoulder, while the concentric shortens at the elbow and lengthens at the shoulder, therefore massively reducing long head tension due to the length of the muscle not having as much of a change throughout the movement. so, basically, the movement is turned from an overhead extension that emphasizes the long head, to an overhead emphasizing the medial and lateral head. hope this helps!
@@ninjabobbobI found it insightful and had my suspicions reaffirmed. I typically do overhead extensions to target the long head, this is why I won’t be doing this variation. That’s not a critique, just not what I need in my program.
@ it’s useless. The reason your arms are small is because you are weak not because you don’t target the lateral and medial with an emphasis on long head
Wouldn't this hinder the work of the long head? In the concentric phase of the movement, it is lengthening at the shoulder and shortening at the elbow. This causes it to be in a position of insufficiency. The same occurs with the rectus femoris in the squat.
The problem is people assume Dr Mike is like the leading expert in the world. In reality over half of what he says is incredibly idiotic, so when he says something idiotic, stop assuming there is some explanation you don’t understand. They are just dumb af.
Well considering dr mike in this video said that all pulling movements work the long head (which is batshit crazy), it's kinda clear he doesn't really care about the long head part of the tricep
@jeppebjrnson2171 what I mean is that the shoulder is flexed during the movement. This means the long head is lengthened at the shoulder joint but shortened at the elbow joint during concentric phase of movement. From studies of other muscle groups we know this leads to less muscle growth in the affected muscle.
Yeah, because it crosses two joints, it can't sufficiently contribute to the multi-joint movement (like the rectus femoris on squats). It sort of becomes an isometric hold for the long head when doing it this way, which obviously doesn't build much muscle. Personally, I don't see the point in doing this, since the other two heads (training which more specifically is, I assume, the point of this variation) get hit plenty on pressing movements. To me, it would be like replacing leg extensions with a 'variation' that involves hip flexion on the eccentric - might as well just do squats.
@@jeppebjrnson2171you don’t determine which muscle is being hit in a movement by which muscle has the most stretch/produces tension in the stretch. You’ve been brainwashed by dr Mike
That's why I respect Jeff so much and why I don't understand why people hate on him. This man just likes to share his knowledge and experience and his findings, but yet he's also open-minded enough and willing to learn anything new that might change his perspective or help evolve his ever-growing knowledge base and approach to working out.
You can also think of the motion as a "sweep." If you sweep the reps away from your head, it aligns the elbows to emphasize the triceps because it places them less efficiently (which is ideal for targeting).
Up until recently I was flaring my elbows on skull crushers but I realized I was recruiting a lot of other muscles in the movement that way. So I did the exact same thing and started to hinge downward more instead of rolling it back or just dropping it behind my head to bringing my elbows in, and allowing my elbows to fall forward slightly and all the weight is in my triceps. Tricep growth has gone up for sure
I commented something similar on one of Rich's posts a little bit back, but I only recently realised for what boof was being used for - internalisation. As with Rich, I get the feeling you might benefit from sauntering over to Urban Dictionary and looking at some definitions (if I'm misreading that, nevermind 😅). In either case, using "boof" for this particular behaviour of Market Makers/Participants is absolutely hilarious Thank you very much for your videos and X posts. You bring a level-headed take that is to the benefit of all household investors. Cheers!
I do tricep overhead extension with a 90 degree hinge, so I am basically standing in the same position as an barbell row, that's how I do my extensions
Dude forgot the french press is a long head exercice. "yeah but with all yhe pulling mouvement you do on back work you have enough stimulus for the long head" just no, if you follow this logic squat would be enough for hamstring.
Yeah I saw his demonstration of the French press some time ago on mikes channel, and cringed. I’m surprised that mike didn’t correct him, u would think a phd would at least understand active insufficiency and not allow misinformation on his channel
The problem with this is that the long head is now shortening at the shoulder while lengthening at the elbow, so it won’t experience much relative length change, completely eliminating the reason people do this exercise. (Which isn’t even good for the long head as it has poor leverage anyways but that’s another discussion)
Doesnt make sense to me, shouldnt you get a much bigger stretch by having the elbow higher on the negative? Doesnt the long head stretch when the shoulder is vertical over your head?
I think you are correct in terms of the long head of the triceps. But I think this way you get more range of motion on the elbow. It's like the weight is pressing you wrist into your shoulder. Similar to a JM Press I think?
True, elbows should go up for a stretch for the long head. However you lose some tension when the elbow is flexed/elbows up(With this cable set up). However this variation puts stretch on the lateral head of the triceps. By bringing the elbows forward and in, you will notice the elbow is fully flexed and there is maximum tension because of the angle of the cable. Hope this makes sense:)
@leo0367 You're completely correct. What Jared is doing here isn't "modifying" an exercise, he's changing it completely. Instead of doing an overhead extension/french press he's doing an overhead JM press. Which is a cool movement, and there's nothing wrong with doing it, but it's a different exercise entirely.
It’s how I’ve always done this exercise. Not so much because I was looking for more of a stretch, but because my anatomy wouldn’t allow for anything else.
When you do this don’t fight your elbows to keep them in. Let your elbows drift out where they want. fighting to keep the elbows tucked in will eventually cause you serious elbow, and shoulder pain especially if you’re a wide individual. The method he’s demonstrating will cause less issues if you’re narrow and have good shoulder mobility.
yeah but why push the elbows forward when you get a bigger stretch if they're back? do those guys have such a short ROM that it doesn't matter for them or is the comfort gained more important that that bit more stretch?
I love a dude who isn't afraid to learn something new, it says a lot
Look everybody, is a dude lover. Dr Mike would be proud..
I mean, it would be rather strange if he showed up and then straight-up refused to do any of the exercises suggested for him.
I think most people that work out nowadays have heard of Dr. Mike and would love to hear anything he has to say
Was gonna say the same thing. Many in Jeff’s position wouldn’t think they need any advice, but he’s a humble dude.
@@alaron5698people “obviously not talking about Jeff” are just strange like that some people egos be through the roof😂
My favorite thing about Jeff is how well he takes pointers. Dude seems humble and always willing to learn and adapt.
I agree. Never been an avid fan but know he's a great content creator but after his handling of the throat grab and stuff like this I'm starting to watch more of his content. He seems like an awesome guy.
except hes adapting to a terrible exercise
@HypersonicTurtle explain how the overhead press is so bad
@HypersonicTurtleEducate us wise one. Tells us how a pro and an exercise scientist have it so wrong?
@@gardz3256 Dr Mike is clueless
10 years of lifting, French Press is my favorite triceps exercise, I've been doing this variation since the video came out and 100% recommend it. Most important advice I have is to focus on standing really straight and close to the pulley as you will have the tendency to change your posture to make it easier.
When you first started it did you have problems lifting heavier weights I do his previous rindition of this where he steps forward I can barely make it to 30 pounds without feeling like I’m leaning all the way forward
It takes me about 5 seconds to get to the starting position. Its an u usual stance but standing tall and engaging the glutes ans core; ensuring the body is tight (no energy leaks) is so important.
@@BenChasae I did have to reduce the load, but the important part is the stress you put your muscle under and how well you apply the technique, not the amount you're lifting :)
Found it awkward at first trying to keep the elbows in but damn does it leaves my triceps cooked every time.
Do you need the squiggle bar?
'How is it lookin Mike?'
Jeff wasn't ready for Mike's answer to this question 😂😂😂
He asked for it, but didn’t deserve it. Mikes disrespectful
@@NES-6-25 oh grow up.
@@tsijr915 hahhahaah
he absolutely was, he knows mikes a freaky mf
I usually do French Press with coffee...
French press IS ☕️ coffee.....
@@danieldistrola2873yeah I’ll have my french press with coffee thank you
I just finished a French press myself actually ☕
Don't forget your French pulls too guys, they're easier to execute when paired with wine
Get me a French Press, NOW!
I love when these two groups get together.
literally all he did was decrease his rom... making a significantly worse variation of the press besides the advice to stand up tall which is negligible in the case of compounding movements
Now switch the handle with jeffs book
even greater stretch 🥶
I mean he is not wrong in terms of it would stretch the LATERAL and MEDIAL heads more because moving your elbows forward would make shoulder flexion easier, therefore more likely increasing the range of motion on those two heads. but, with the elbow moving forward on the eccentric and back on the concentric means that for the LONG head, the eccentric stretches at the elbow but shortens at the shoulder, while the concentric shortens at the elbow and lengthens at the shoulder, therefore massively reducing long head tension due to the length of the muscle not having as much of a change throughout the movement. so, basically, the movement is turned from an overhead extension that emphasizes the long head, to an overhead emphasizing the medial and lateral head. hope this helps!
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Paralysis by analysis
@@ninjabobbobI found it insightful and had my suspicions reaffirmed. I typically do overhead extensions to target the long head, this is why I won’t be doing this variation. That’s not a critique, just not what I need in my program.
@ it’s useless. The reason your arms are small is because you are weak not because you don’t target the lateral and medial with an emphasis on long head
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“Stand tall” is low key savage
The Schwarzenegger really started coming through when he started eulogizing Jeff's technique. From "Newborn baby" its really something 🤣🤣
Wouldn't this hinder the work of the long head? In the concentric phase of the movement, it is lengthening at the shoulder and shortening at the elbow. This causes it to be in a position of insufficiency. The same occurs with the rectus femoris in the squat.
Yes, but bad information but new gets more views
Yes Jeff version was better
The problem is people assume Dr Mike is like the leading expert in the world. In reality over half of what he says is incredibly idiotic, so when he says something idiotic, stop assuming there is some explanation you don’t understand. They are just dumb af.
Well considering dr mike in this video said that all pulling movements work the long head (which is batshit crazy), it's kinda clear he doesn't really care about the long head part of the tricep
@@krishsharma3329how is it batshit crazy? I’m having trouble thinking of pulling exercises that wouldn’t involve the long head
Loving the science bro's coming together!
I started doing these last month after seeing the full video and I have kept them in ever since 👌🏼
Jared (5'11"): "Stand tall"
Jeff (5'5"): 😐
I love seeing you three join forces
The video this short is from is over a month old 😅
never thought I’d see jeff being taught how to lift
More shoulder flexion would mean less stimulus of the long head I guess
yes and no, because while it isn’t as stretched, the force in the stretched range is much greater
@jeppebjrnson2171 what I mean is that the shoulder is flexed during the movement. This means the long head is lengthened at the shoulder joint but shortened at the elbow joint during concentric phase of movement. From studies of other muscle groups we know this leads to less muscle growth in the affected muscle.
Yeah, because it crosses two joints, it can't sufficiently contribute to the multi-joint movement (like the rectus femoris on squats). It sort of becomes an isometric hold for the long head when doing it this way, which obviously doesn't build much muscle. Personally, I don't see the point in doing this, since the other two heads (training which more specifically is, I assume, the point of this variation) get hit plenty on pressing movements. To me, it would be like replacing leg extensions with a 'variation' that involves hip flexion on the eccentric - might as well just do squats.
@@jeppebjrnson2171you don’t determine which muscle is being hit in a movement by which muscle has the most stretch/produces tension in the stretch. You’ve been brainwashed by dr Mike
i LOVE when people are open to learning new things that differ from what they are used to
“Oh My Goodness”
😂😂😂💀
You also feel triceps kickbacks way more. Doesn't mean its a better movement.
So true
But it's not overhead to stretch anything for long or meatiest head of the triceps
It's a normal conversation till Mike steps in.
Thank you Greg.
Nip Dawg, Doctor Blinkenstein and Jared training together?!? This is doooope.
The humility 🤌🏾
Bro got out geeked
Nah my shoulders hurt just watching this
I've been doing Jeff's one for 2 months, already seeing improved gains. Gonna try this update next time.
Dang that’s pretty legit , definitely going to try this one out
‘Stand tall’, wicked burn
That's why I respect Jeff so much and why I don't understand why people hate on him. This man just likes to share his knowledge and experience and his findings, but yet he's also open-minded enough and willing to learn anything new that might change his perspective or help evolve his ever-growing knowledge base and approach to working out.
You can also think of the motion as a "sweep." If you sweep the reps away from your head, it aligns the elbows to emphasize the triceps because it places them less efficiently (which is ideal for targeting).
I figured this out on my own. Amazing change would recomend 10/10😊
Up until recently I was flaring my elbows on skull crushers but I realized I was recruiting a lot of other muscles in the movement that way. So I did the exact same thing and started to hinge downward more instead of rolling it back or just dropping it behind my head to bringing my elbows in, and allowing my elbows to fall forward slightly and all the weight is in my triceps. Tricep growth has gone up for sure
I commented something similar on one of Rich's posts a little bit back, but I only recently realised for what boof was being used for - internalisation. As with Rich, I get the feeling you might benefit from sauntering over to Urban Dictionary and looking at some definitions (if I'm misreading that, nevermind 😅). In either case, using "boof" for this particular behaviour of Market Makers/Participants is absolutely hilarious
Thank you very much for your videos and X posts. You bring a level-headed take that is to the benefit of all household investors. Cheers!
Just that small adjustment and boom, you feel it.
Jeff shows we should all be open to new ideas.
That feeling when you try a new exercise or variation and it hits
Hearing mike but not seeing Mike has to be one of the best things I didn't know I needed
I do tricep overhead extension with a 90 degree hinge, so I am basically standing in the same position as an barbell row, that's how I do my extensions
Just doing this in my seat, I already feel the tricep stretch. Must try on cable
Dude forgot the french press is a long head exercice. "yeah but with all yhe pulling mouvement you do on back work you have enough stimulus for the long head" just no, if you follow this logic squat would be enough for hamstring.
Yeah, I'm not seeing the point of doing this 'variation'
Yeah I saw his demonstration of the French press some time ago on mikes channel, and cringed. I’m surprised that mike didn’t correct him, u would think a phd would at least understand active insufficiency and not allow misinformation on his channel
This genuinely works holy fuck
He forgot to get on his hands and knees to get a bigger tricep stretch
That looks so good, it makes me wanna try it
The problem with this is that the long head is now shortening at the shoulder while lengthening at the elbow, so it won’t experience much relative length change, completely eliminating the reason people do this exercise. (Which isn’t even good for the long head as it has poor leverage anyways but that’s another discussion)
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Like newborn baby... to a happy expectant family! Damn DrMike, that is hilarious
Gran banda NTVG y le queda bien Pato a este tema. Qué buena versión loko.
like a newborn baby to a happy expectant family, that level of existential beauty. I could spend my whole life trying to french press like that
I love how he turns into a supermutant when he struggles
Doesnt make sense to me, shouldnt you get a much bigger stretch by having the elbow higher on the negative? Doesnt the long head stretch when the shoulder is vertical over your head?
Exactly 💯 these guys are overcomplicating things
I think you are correct in terms of the long head of the triceps.
But I think this way you get more range of motion on the elbow. It's like the weight is pressing you wrist into your shoulder. Similar to a JM Press I think?
True, elbows should go up for a stretch for the long head. However you lose some tension when the elbow is flexed/elbows up(With this cable set up). However this variation puts stretch on the lateral head of the triceps. By bringing the elbows forward and in, you will notice the elbow is fully flexed and there is maximum tension because of the angle of the cable.
Hope this makes sense:)
@@bobbakhuys9504 got it thanks
@leo0367 You're completely correct. What Jared is doing here isn't "modifying" an exercise, he's changing it completely. Instead of doing an overhead extension/french press he's doing an overhead JM press. Which is a cool movement, and there's nothing wrong with doing it, but it's a different exercise entirely.
Those laces are diabolical💀
I just tried this on my push day, really feeling the pump compared doing the rope variation
I do this with a pull rope. The stretch and pump is freaking amazing!!!
It looks like the opposite of a push down. Interesting. I’ll give it a try.
It’s how I’ve always done this exercise. Not so much because I was looking for more of a stretch, but because my anatomy wouldn’t allow for anything else.
Dr Mike on an NMPLOL stream would be wild!
Who wouldn't love dr Mike with that answer 😂😂😂
looks like a great elbow workout 😂
No way bro is playing Phutureprimitive - Flow in the background!
I legitimately thought my music was still playing lol
Love how your brain works like a controller.
Surely elbows forward would reduce the triceps stretch as you reduce shoulder flexion?
I did that a few months ago and it changed everything. But I still don't know, if I have more muscle gain though. But it feels awesome.
what did it change then
Looks like a cable variation of a Trx tricep extension honestly!
Just got back from gym after doing triceps. Why am I only seeing this now. Gotta try this out next time
All of them have massive arms and seem to have amazing range of motion still
I switch them up for tendon health - works like a charm
That’s beautiful
Bringing the elbows more inward is the way I found to activate the triceps more, exactly what’s going on here
Agreed a modified JM press
Great tips
What I don't understand is that the tricep is shortened relative to the position Jeff was originally in.
Damn... I need that mobility.
Damn... I got a pump just sitting here watching this 😅
My elbows hurt just watching
dr mike's a fun guy
That's a version of jm press but overhead and with a cable
I still haven't figured out who is the guy with the mohawk
that's dope, I've been doing this for years. always loved the stretch I would get at the bottom
Jeff for the win.
Shit burns my elbows up
Nice info
When you do this don’t fight your elbows to keep them in. Let your elbows drift out where they want. fighting to keep the elbows tucked in will eventually cause you serious elbow, and shoulder pain especially if you’re a wide individual. The method he’s demonstrating will cause less issues if you’re narrow and have good shoulder mobility.
It's like an overhead variation of a JM Press
That kinda reminds me of how Jay Cutler said he would push down for triceps, only it's pushing up 😮 idk,
ER shoulders with forarms supinated for maximum stretch and ROM.
my elbows got a pump watching this
This was a good video too
I believe some cues are good but not having it directly under , feel that causes some shoulder involvement
I will try it today
Yeah open the comments like a good boy
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yeah but why push the elbows forward when you get a bigger stretch if they're back? do those guys have such a short ROM that it doesn't matter for them or is the comfort gained more important that that bit more stretch?
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Missed the perfect opportunity to make a height joke. Stand tall, Jeff… Tall, Jeff. Jeff I said stand TALL!
Treat it as a pressing movement rather than just an extension, wayyyyyy more ergonomic and better stretch at the bottom
Gotta ask Mike for his opinion so we can get something unhinged to fight the laugh while lifting.
Yea he seems like he would be cool to work out with.
Observe how Jeff didn't punch the other person in the throat as he dared to correct Jeff's form.
That's how I do mine. That's the way I always thought you were supposed to do it. Guess I'm ahead of the game lol
He's so adorable omg
Bro science just melted jeffs brain
Tried these last night after watching the video. Holy shit am I sore