Oh dear this is so moving, so right, so expressive, the "virtuoso" passages get a full meaning on the background of the orchestra, and the recording is convincing, amazingly virtuoso, so impressive. I love this. The final crescendo sounds right here, whereas in the pno solo version which Chopin published there is kind of vacuum after the chromatic accellerando and crescendo - because we miss the orchestra. Many many pianists and composers have registered this and observed that something need to be done, but noone except Nicodé (so far) have been bold enough to add 70 bars of orchestral thematic take over and some passagework in the second and third part of this piece. This is what Nicodé does, and this is good, because it follows Chopin's strategy ("lay-out") for the concerts op.11 and 21. There has also been pianists who take other pieces by Chopin and add as second and third movements. Why not? Bach and a most other composers did that all the time. So how about the C-minor Nocturne, op.48.1, as second movement? There are large parts of it which invites to orchestration. And then - for me it would be so happy with a lastmovement based on Mazurka op.56.3 also C minor but ending in C major. Or perhaps the Scherzo 4 in E major, with the pianistic passages as solo, and the "easy parts" as orchestral interludes. Read in Wikipedia what other pianists/composers have done: The Australian pianist Alan Kogosowski went further. In addition to restructuring and augmenting Chopin's music for the Allegro de concert into a new treatment for piano and orchestra, he also created settings for piano and orchestra of the Nocturne in C-sharp minor, Op. posth. "Lento con gran espressione", and the Bolero in C major-A minor, Op. 19. Kogosowski put these together as a three-movement work and performed it under the misleading title of "Chopin's Piano Concerto No. 3 in A major" on 8 October 1999, with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra under Neeme Järvi.
The Chopin concerto that almost was. Bravo! Overall I really like the orchestrated sections. It sounds similar to Chopin's orchestration style. I wonder if there are other arrangements of this for piano and orchestra and if there are recordings of them. When I hear this, it's clear that Chopin had a piano concerto in mind when writing what we know as op. 46.
Serait-ce une ébauche d'un troisième concerto que Chopin aurait composé ? car il n'y en a que deux officiels.... Il semble que cette œuvre soit composée pour piano seul, néanmoins la version de J. NICODE reste belle...
Oui, en fait C'EST l'ébauche du premier mouvement d'un troisième concerto que Chopin voulait jouer à son retour à Varsovie... Mais ça n'est jamais passé, malhereusement. À la fin, il a publié l'œuvre pour piano solo sous le titre "Allegro de concerto".
Why calling the part at 8:37 a cadenza? It is not, just because of the presence of the orchestra in the background! moreover, this section is not by Chopin, but is clearly derived from the development section from the first piano Concerto.
The playing was beautiful, but I gotta say I'm not a huge fan of the departure from the score. Chopin was a big fan of subtlety, and I think such grandiose variations ruins that. Not to mention he was extremely displeased when Liszt added his own variations to Chopin's Études, saying "Play how it's written, or don't play it at all!"
Not a big deal the arranger strayed a bit from the score, chopin was just human not a God we can edit his music and learn from it and make our own music too Ya know.
Well maybe. But the composition for the orchestra part is still not by chopin. I mean you can try whatever argument you want but nothing will change the fact that the orchestral parts were written by a completely different composer.
Oh dear this is so moving, so right, so expressive, the "virtuoso" passages get a full meaning on the background of the orchestra, and the recording is convincing, amazingly virtuoso, so impressive. I love this. The final crescendo sounds right here, whereas in the pno solo version which Chopin published there is kind of vacuum after the chromatic accellerando and crescendo - because we miss the orchestra. Many many pianists and composers have registered this and observed that something need to be done, but noone except Nicodé (so far) have been bold enough to add 70 bars of orchestral thematic take over and some passagework in the second and third part of this piece. This is what Nicodé does, and this is good, because it follows Chopin's strategy ("lay-out") for the concerts op.11 and 21.
There has also been pianists who take other pieces by Chopin and add as second and third movements. Why not? Bach and a most other composers did that all the time.
So how about the C-minor Nocturne, op.48.1, as second movement? There are large parts of it which invites to orchestration. And then - for me it would be so happy with a lastmovement based on Mazurka op.56.3 also C minor but ending in C major. Or perhaps the Scherzo 4 in E major, with the pianistic passages as solo, and the "easy parts" as orchestral interludes.
Read in Wikipedia what other pianists/composers have done:
The Australian pianist Alan Kogosowski went further. In addition to restructuring and augmenting Chopin's music for the Allegro de concert into a new treatment for piano and orchestra, he also created settings for piano and orchestra of the Nocturne in C-sharp minor, Op. posth. "Lento con gran espressione", and the Bolero in C major-A minor, Op. 19. Kogosowski put these together as a three-movement work and performed it under the misleading title of "Chopin's Piano Concerto No. 3 in A major" on 8 October 1999, with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra under Neeme Järvi.
The Chopin concerto that almost was. Bravo! Overall I really like the orchestrated sections. It sounds similar to Chopin's orchestration style. I wonder if there are other arrangements of this for piano and orchestra and if there are recordings of them. When I hear this, it's clear that Chopin had a piano concerto in mind when writing what we know as op. 46.
ずっと探していた協奏曲版が見つかって嬉しいです。ショパンの3番が聴けたようで高揚しますね。
So beautiful recording and video! Thanks for sharing!
Hope Chopin had left more for us
Serait-ce une ébauche d'un troisième concerto que Chopin aurait composé ? car il n'y en a que deux officiels....
Il semble que cette œuvre soit composée pour piano seul, néanmoins la version de J. NICODE reste belle...
Oui, en fait C'EST l'ébauche du premier mouvement d'un troisième concerto que Chopin voulait jouer à son retour à Varsovie... Mais ça n'est jamais passé, malhereusement. À la fin, il a publié l'œuvre pour piano solo sous le titre "Allegro de concerto".
Why calling the part at 8:37 a cadenza? It is not, just because of the presence of the orchestra in the background! moreover, this section is not by Chopin, but is clearly derived from the development section from the first piano Concerto.
The playing was beautiful, but I gotta say I'm not a huge fan of the departure from the score. Chopin was a big fan of subtlety, and I think such grandiose variations ruins that.
Not to mention he was extremely displeased when Liszt added his own variations to Chopin's Études, saying "Play how it's written, or don't play it at all!"
Could you post the Chopin Second Concerto from the same disc, please?
Not a big deal the arranger strayed a bit from the score, chopin was just human not a God we can edit his music and learn from it and make our own music too Ya know.
Well maybe. But the composition for the orchestra part is still not by chopin.
I mean you can try whatever argument you want but nothing will change the fact that the orchestral parts were written by a completely different composer.
@@FriendlyCroock So? If it sounds good, it is good.
@@PieInTheSky9 ... yes! And both Chopin and Nicodé deserves love from us all ❤
i know why he didnt make into a 3rd concerto haha
Did you actually play this Sandro?
Ho creato il video subito dopo aver trovato questa mirabile versione. il pianista e' tale Setrak Setrakian.
@@Alessandro_da_Rimini nice!