What I love Ashley is that you do have integrity and honesty. The world is a better place with you in it! Unfortunately some people just suck. Stay the good course!
You might want to check with the floor about the hand where the guy checked out of turn. Some rooms have rules where if a person makes a passive action out of turn, they can not make an aggressive action in turn. If they call out of turn or check they can not raise.
You have such a friendly persona from watching your VLOGs Ash but fully respect the way you stood up and called out the angle shooter here. Really enjoying your content and positivity😃
Congratulations on the two years! I enjoy watching you play the same stakes I play in the cash game and your voice reminds me of home up north of here. Keep up the good work❤️
One way to think about the angler... You're an aware enough player to see what he did, so no matter how it works out he ends up costing himself money. You bet small and folded, when if he just called your bet you probably pile it all in on the river and likely lose. The other option, if you really did suspect him up front would have been to check to him to lock in his check, in which case you again put less money in (and get to realize your FH draws in which case you stack him). So unless he is such a tricky player that this was a false angle (doing it *without* the nuts to get you to bet-fold), you probably save money either way by being smart and aware.
Been following you for a while. Respect your game because you’re very real and relatable. That being said, I’ve seen a few amateur players at smaller rooms unintentionally act out of turn, whether it’s a bet or a check, ESPECIALLY when they hit their miracle card. If he was first to act it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he’d check to you so he could C/R. Might just have gotten over excited combined with an overplay. From my POV this is similar to someone huffing and puffing before shoving. It’s a form of dishonest play but not against any rules. The silver lining here is An experienced player (such as yourself) sees this and makes the very easy snap fold. On the off chance he wasn’t intentionally angling I probably would have simply made a mental note and thanked him for bailing you out.
The “Angleshooting” would make a great thread! Of course he’s going to do the, “I thought you checked, so I checked, but if you bet of course I’m going to raise, I have a good hand.” The best thing you did was to call him out, so other people won’t fall for this b.s. or think that behavior is okay. What you might have done is call the floor over - they might have only reminded him to bet “in turn”, but it would have put him on notice. I have learned to immediately table change. If I’m going to play a game I like, I’m going to play with people I enjoy being at the table with. Good luck!
You are tripping about that hand. It shouldn't happen, but don't assume you know why he did it. There's rules about it (which you know apparently) and he's forced to check had you checked, YOU changed the action.
Also, great content! Your bankroll, your betting, and your explanation of your thought process are all very relatable! So many recent vloggers seem to get in these crazy hi stake games, bluffing and showing massive wins. It’s entertaining, but if your average player follows their strategy they will end up miserable and broke. Complex strategy is often lost on 1/2 players. Its hard to bluff someone who only plays their own hand. Your stuff is solid play, realistic numbers, with a smile 😁
Honestly I think you overreacted. You said it yourself, he wasnt that experienced, he could do it by mistake. And even if he didnt, its not that big of a deal as you made it to be. He is a recreational player, long term you want him in the game, no need to give him shit for it. After his raise, fold and move on.. No need to say anything, it wont change a thing
You are so right about how impactful your mental state is to your bottom line. I've seen entire bankrolls torched within a month's time due to tilt. If something has happened at the table, whether it's trash talk, someone insulting you, or just a bad beat that you know has rattled you and is going to cloud your judgment in future hands, then just leave.
Poker is tough. On one hand it's nonstop competition for MONEY, and you gotta let people's BS tactics roll off of you while staying focused. On the other, you don't want it to harden you so much that you become less of a human being as a result. Major props for the way you so succinctly called that dude out. Maybe you can give me a lesson on when to call it a day. I probably would've stayed for 13 more hours. 😄
That’s a great way to put it, Andrew. It wasn’t a poker issue. It was a human issue. And that will always bother me to an extent because well… I’m human. I care about being a decent person in this world. It’s hard for me to understand how others don’t. Thank you for watching, it’s humbling & means a lot 😊 💜
We don't have much to go on to judge your shooter. At 1-2, 1-3 people act out of turn all the time. Did the dealer comment? I've watched you since your first vlog from the couch and have watched you grow. So, I take it that you know what you saw. Keep up the good work.
Let's go Ash, hard to believe it's been 2 years already. Unfortunately in life you are going to run in to people who are not honorable and will try to get away with everything they can to get an edge. You made the right decision, you spoke your peace and then you walked. Playing hungry, tired and mad usually just leads to bad calls and chasing in an attempt at vindication. File that away in the lessons learned bin and keep on rocking it. It's only up from here!
I think you’re a great person for what you did. You called out exactly what happened. You stood up for good reasons. You even had the awareness to leave at that moment because of how it made you feel. You reflected on it. In a sense, you won the war. You lost the minimum in my view when he could have won more without the angle. So it makes him look silly. Keep going and keep inspiring! 😊
@@bhargavibussu5837 I never said it was cheating. He may not have technically cheated but morally and ethically he is wrong in this situation. If you condone it, then you’re just as bad as he is
@@bhargavibussu5837 it’s cheating. You’re purposely breaking the rules to swing things in your favor. That’s CHEATING, and if you defend it I assume your one of the pieces of shit that has to pull crap like this to win. Which means you’re just a bad player. You never see any of the greats angle shoot.
@@23BEATNGU you don’t have to be mean to say that 1. Poker still falls under the category of gambling 2. Never trust anyone at the poker table 3. Poker is a mind game He didn’t see the opponent cards or show his cards to opponents. He played a mind game , if playing a mind game is cheating then what is poker, coming to the table with money and loose Everybody have their strategies Sorry if we are not on the Same page but you can’t make how your opponent plays You have to adjust your game according to the opponents.for me poker is not only about what 2 cards you hold in your hand but how do you play with your opponent with the available information.
Good job for calling him out on it and as a former professional poker dealer, TD and player myself depending on the room sometimes the player will be asked to leave by the floor if they are called because its not good for the game and causes issues
while it’s bad etiquette, people need to remember it’s still just a GAME. angling/slow rolling is all a part of the game. just take it on the chin and move on
There will always be angle shooters and bad players. People who cut chips out and slide them toward the line are the worst and I always say something to them or to the dealer. If I'm multi way and someone checks out of turn, I'll say something because they are giving information that will affect the decisions of the other players. Keep up the grind and don't let bad players put you on tilt. Love your vlogs, keep them coming.
There's definitely going to be some bad apples in the bunch. Hate that happened, but proud of your decision to leave the game due to all the factors. That's a top tier play. Plus a very nice rebound the next session! And happy vlogiversary (if that's even a thing 😄)!!! Keep up the great work!
People are so trifling. Way to stand up for yourself. You have great honor. Is there any recourse the house can do against that sort of shenanigans? Love your videos, now I just love you and what you stand for.
Well done on calling him out, and good of you to protect your bankroll and make the right decision to play another day. Way too many players would have stayed and hoped for a 'win' to make themselves feel better. That can be expensive.
I thought you played well. Strong mindset, when you weren't into playing you stepped away. Came back and scored a win. I enjoy the videos and I learned something. Wishing you continued success.
You did the right thing calling out that angle shooter, Ash. I would have done the same had I been in your position. You took the time to reflect on it as well, and I admire that. Unfortunately, not everyone is as honorable as you or me. The way I handle the dishonorable players is to not let them see that they get to me.
I love when they pick up their cards like their getting ready to fold when you start to bet Then jam on you. I just laugh and fold Ash needs to toughen up if she’s going to play in Texas.
Angle shooting is just part of the game. My favourite one is when you are facing an all in, i sometines say 'I cold' and look at them, they usually react by showing cards or letting you know if it was a good call or not. I then say what are you talking about i said im cold. Just make sure to only use it now and again with different dealers. I have a lot more that are really good.
I love your vlogs, honest and well stated. There are a lot of less than honorable people always trying to take advantage of other players, especially women. Just keep being who you are and move on. I do have the Poker Analytics app. I’ve used it for several years and really like it a lot. Keep your head up girl!
Hi Ashley. You have every right to feel how you did. You also have the right to express your feelings about it. Don't let any negative comments detour you. Keep your head up and keep crushing. 💯
Wow! I'm so proud of you for speaking up girl!!! People are sooooo lame. Like, tell me you're uncomfortable with your playing skills without telling me you're uncomfortable with your playing skills lmaooo, that's how I think of angle shooters
Give ‘em hell,Ash! Reality is there are a lot of not nice people in this world. Kudos to you for putting this jerk in his place. You mentioned that he was an older male which makes me think of that saying about a leopard and his spots. No point in letting this person occupy any mora space in your head. On to the next day and your journey. Get the feeling that you’ll see this type thing again. Take the high road and don’t stoop to their level.
Yes - don’t give the luxury of letting that person know when they’re dangling you because they know they wrangling you I really like your videos do you explain things real well and keep up the good work you’re gonna do great
Love your videos. But I think you overreacted in berating the “angler.” I understand you felt taken advantage of in the moment (and its sucks to hit a set and lose the pot) but he’s probably a deeply flawed (losing) player you WANT in the game and his antics probably got you OFF the hook in that particular hand by alerting you to his trap (if it is an angle, it’s not a very effective one)There is also a world where it was not a deception - perhaps he thought he was checking behind with a draw, but turned it into a semi-bluff in reaction to what he perceived as your attempt to steal the pot from him once he had signaled weakness.
She was actually braiding that player before it even happened. Or maybe because it was edited commentary she already knew what was going to happen. I don’t understand why the majority of her videos or her calling people names and suggesting people don’t know how to play. I believe this was a won two games she was on. If she is such a professional, you think she’d be at a higher game. I watch many poker Vlogs, but hers is the only one I have seen where she calls the other players names, says that they don’t have any skill or know how to play, and acts like she’s better than them.
Ok, so there is a rule to protect the game from this. Just like a bet out of turn stands if the action hasn’t changed… a check out of turn means he can now only check, or call a bet. His out of turn action means he can no longer take an aggressive action (ie: raise). That rule is there for this exact scenario. The floor should have ruled that his options were to either call, or fold.
I commented at the time. But now seeing the video, it’s pretty obvious. That wasn’t a nervous tic. Good for you for calling it out. I got angled once at Aria that was pretty lousy. Hard to describe the context in comments. I’ll have to tell you the next time we are in the same place. 😁
I'm an older person too and I have to say that mental lapses when you are over 70 come more frequently then you think. Sorry, but older people make these kinds of mistakes more often than you may think. He may have been confused when he hit the nut hand and got excited and reacted incorrectly while trying to appear calm. Do you think that a person over 60 will ever win the WSOP or be the world chess champion? Either way, I still love you Ashley. Another great Vlog.
That’s what shows you u can not be that nice and cool with ppl. U got to see what’s up with them and then go with the flow. But when ur playing cards for a living like I do also I go for there cash and go forward. Great job for letting it go and dipping and starting off the next day. A lot of ppl cannot do that. That’s great that u could do that
I've been playing at TCH Dallas since they opened in Oct 2020. I have not seen a 1/3, $1,000 max game! I'm guessing they will open a table if enough people ask. Then looking at your video, I see 2/5 at the bottom, so I guess you just made an error calling it 1/3? No biggie. I play 1/2, $500 max, or 2/5, $1,000, match the stack. Still hoping to run into you there sometime soon. Also, come try Poker House Dallas.
I do not get the fold at all because we even beat value (QJ+Q8+86+66) yes we heavily block 2 of those 4 hands but you could also given him a bluff like 97 suited or something weird. Remember you said this guy is not a good player so he could easily have overvalued his hand. As far as the "Angle" goes I think its fine to say something but don't let it affect your emotions so much.
It didn’t affect my emotions so much. I was fine. But nobody is gonna let someone try to cheat right in front of them and not say anything. And I wasn’t getting the right odds to call for a board pair. I would bet my house he had 9T. I watched him play. He didn’t wanna call flop, only hand that’s calling is exactly 9T considering he didn’t want to call. He got lucky. GG.
Looking for integrity around a poker table is a tough thing. Your action shouldn’t have been influenced by his. Fold, or gamble with the chance of losing.
Happy Anniversary and congratulations! You've accomplished so much in two short years! Once in a while you're going to run into a dirtbag (I'll say it) like Mr. Angleshoot...just try to let it roll off you. Good on you for catching it!
Leaving when you did was the smartest move since you were obviously tilted as a result of the angle, the tears made it obvious. Folding was definitely measured - good job on that. Unfortunately, there are plenty of anglers in poker, the world is not fair Ash - you know that right? Next time don't say anything, anglers don't deserve to know they affected you...that is part of their game also. Bravo on the fold and the quick exit. Those are the actions of an excellent poker player.
I understand that it is an angle but is it best to not call it out before betting? I admittedly don't play a lot live but it seems by calling it out beforehand you could get a read better on whether he was a doofus who checked out of turn or a liar trying to angle you. Appreciate the insight.
That was tough Ash! If he knows what he did, which I assume he did if you say so, then that’s pretty shitty. Don’t let it bother you too much though. Some (maybe most) players at those stakes aren’t worth worrying that much about. Just remember his face and punish him in another hand! Keep grinding! Love your content! Hope to meet and/or play with you one day.
This exact situation happened to me a few weeks back. I never said anything at the time, but what I realized is that you should do exactly what you would have done anyway. Don't change your actions, and the results are essentially the same; completely defusing his feeble attempt. Interestingly it was an older guy who did this to me as well. Which is interesting, old guys so close to death are usually much nicer players or at least not shady. Good philosophy leaving when not feeling it...I've been doing that a lot more lately and enjoying the results.
I'm with you on the angle shooter, that sort of thing really gets me. It's funny how polarizing it is, and so many people defend or applaud that sort of behavior. I was playing at Aria last night and the dealer called out a guy for slowrolling a multi way showdown and it was nice to see. Unfortunately today civility and respect take a back seat to self-interest for a lot of people both on the table and off.
That's a tough one. I think there should be a rule against significantly changing the action after acting out of turn. Generally if a player bets out of turn, that bet must stand. They can't bet out of turn and then decide to change to a check after being checked to. Perhaps there should be a rule that a player that checks out of turn is only allowed to check or call. In my experience, players that legitimately accidentally check out of turn are doing it often as they lack experience. It doesn't just generally happen one time in a session.
The world is full of those with no honor. Don’t let that change you! Also let’s take all their damn money lol. As always enjoy the content and hope you get them next time! Can’t wait to play with you sometime!
I’m definitely guilty of checking out a turn. Not as an angle, but just because I’m not as experienced. I think it would be completely legit. If they implemented a rule. If you check out of term, you can only flat call. And then immediately showdown.
I would have asked the dealer to clarify the action and if out of turn action is binding (here in L.A. it's not). Let the guy know that you know what he's up to.
Pretty unlucky about the rulings there, where I play if you check out of turn you can't take any aggressive action when it comes back to you so not a good idea to try an angle shoot up here in montreal. Maybe you get the rules updated? 🤞
Honestly it's stuff like this that made me quit I think permanently playing. I really started thinking differently about people in general and that's not my nature. You handled it well and I'm glad you called his ass out
Afternoon from the UK, you can now see that the Poker world and indeed many other situations allows arseholes to flourish, its a shame but reality, so sorry you had to experience this scumbag, the Casino should have asked him to leave having watched back video evidence, regards Fraser
You should have called that Guys all in . I think u had him crushed ! 😂 if he did have 9 Ten u could have rivered an 8 or the board paired . If he had QQ that’s just bad luck but u could hit an 8 still
Did his check out of position really change the action in this situation too much? You were going to bet turn and he was going to raise regardless. He picked up no information or didn't really change the action by acting out of turn. Also just finished the vid. So satisfying to watch you destroy dude to your right. Nice finish!
the point of the angle (checking out of turn) was to feign weakness. it was a scummy move intended to make villain seem a lot weaker than he was. while it didn’t change the action per se, it changed our perception of his hand strength.
@@jcw8955 I just don't know how that particular player could think it was any advantage if his move is to jam overtop of any bet. If anything wouldn't it cost villain money if he's feigning weakness and hero puts less money into the pot because of it? Or was the angle meant to induce a bluff? Sorry trying to wrap my head around it
@@dingaonhockey yes but villain thought his angle would work. he didn’t know that Ash was savvy/experienced enough not to fall for it. doesn’t change the fact it was a dirty move that might deceive other people, especially recreational players.
You’re playing poker don’t expect honor and stop taking stuff so personally. You can’t control how other people act you can only control how you react don’t sweat the small stuff woman you got it
It's hard to make a judgement since we're only hearing one side of the story. What is your history with this player? Has he been caught doing it before? You don't think he could've had QJ? Appreciate you so much Ashley but I think you should probably let it go.
Loved how you called him out respectfully and clearly. And loved how you tapped out soon after for headspace reasons. Bravo👏
What I love Ashley is that you do have integrity and honesty. The world is a better place with you in it! Unfortunately some people just suck. Stay the good course!
You might want to check with the floor about the hand where the guy checked out of turn. Some rooms have rules where if a person makes a passive action out of turn, they can not make an aggressive action in turn. If they call out of turn or check they can not raise.
You have such a friendly persona from watching your VLOGs Ash but fully respect the way you stood up and called out the angle shooter here. Really enjoying your content and positivity😃
Congratulations on the two years! I enjoy watching you play the same stakes I play in the cash game and your voice reminds me of home up north of here. Keep up the good work❤️
One way to think about the angler... You're an aware enough player to see what he did, so no matter how it works out he ends up costing himself money. You bet small and folded, when if he just called your bet you probably pile it all in on the river and likely lose. The other option, if you really did suspect him up front would have been to check to him to lock in his check, in which case you again put less money in (and get to realize your FH draws in which case you stack him). So unless he is such a tricky player that this was a false angle (doing it *without* the nuts to get you to bet-fold), you probably save money either way by being smart and aware.
Been following you for a while. Respect your game because you’re very real and relatable.
That being said, I’ve seen a few amateur players at smaller rooms unintentionally act out of turn, whether it’s a bet or a check, ESPECIALLY when they hit their miracle card. If he was first to act it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he’d check to you so he could C/R. Might just have gotten over excited combined with an overplay.
From my POV this is similar to someone huffing and puffing before shoving. It’s a form of dishonest play but not against any rules.
The silver lining here is An experienced player (such as yourself) sees this and makes the very easy snap fold.
On the off chance he wasn’t intentionally angling I probably would have simply made a mental note and thanked him for bailing you out.
love your editing and commentary thanks a bunch!!!
The “Angleshooting” would make a great thread! Of course he’s going to do the, “I thought you checked, so I checked, but if you bet of course I’m going to raise, I have a good hand.” The best thing you did was to call him out, so other people won’t fall for this b.s. or think that behavior is okay. What you might have done is call the floor over - they might have only reminded him to bet “in turn”, but it would have put him on notice. I have learned to immediately table change. If I’m going to play a game I like, I’m going to play with people I enjoy being at the table with. Good luck!
You are tripping about that hand. It shouldn't happen, but don't assume you know why he did it. There's rules about it (which you know apparently) and he's forced to check had you checked, YOU changed the action.
Also, great content! Your bankroll, your betting, and your explanation of your thought process are all very relatable! So many recent vloggers seem to get in these crazy hi stake games, bluffing and showing massive wins. It’s entertaining, but if your average player follows their strategy they will end up miserable and broke. Complex strategy is often lost on 1/2 players. Its hard to bluff someone who only plays their own hand. Your stuff is solid play, realistic numbers, with a smile 😁
I appreciate that!
I totally agree! I really think out of ALL the current poker vloggers, Ash's analyses are the BEST! 😀
Great job Ash I enjoyed your vlog and loved seeing you stick up for yourself at the table. Your entitled to feel how ever you want at any given time
Honestly I think you overreacted. You said it yourself, he wasnt that experienced, he could do it by mistake. And even if he didnt, its not that big of a deal as you made it to be. He is a recreational player, long term you want him in the game, no need to give him shit for it. After his raise, fold and move on.. No need to say anything, it wont change a thing
You are so right about how impactful your mental state is to your bottom line. I've seen entire bankrolls torched within a month's time due to tilt. If something has happened at the table, whether it's trash talk, someone insulting you, or just a bad beat that you know has rattled you and is going to cloud your judgment in future hands, then just leave.
Can you put out a video recording how you edit your vlogs? Would love see the behind the scene process🙏
Thank you for the content 👍
Poker is tough. On one hand it's nonstop competition for MONEY, and you gotta let people's BS tactics roll off of you while staying focused. On the other, you don't want it to harden you so much that you become less of a human being as a result. Major props for the way you so succinctly called that dude out. Maybe you can give me a lesson on when to call it a day. I probably would've stayed for 13 more hours. 😄
That’s a great way to put it, Andrew.
It wasn’t a poker issue. It was a human issue. And that will always bother me to an extent because well… I’m human. I care about being a decent person in this world. It’s hard for me to understand how others don’t.
Thank you for watching, it’s humbling & means a lot 😊 💜
Calling him out was perfect… leaving was exactly the right move… congratulations on 2 years!!!!
Don't give a guy like that even a second thought. You're a light in this world and have the best smile in poker. Don't lose that.
Love your hand breakdown style and graphics
Don't overthink it too much, just be happy you are the kind of person that wouldn't do it!
We don't have much to go on to judge your shooter. At 1-2, 1-3 people act out of turn all the time. Did the dealer comment? I've watched you since your first vlog from the couch and have watched you grow. So, I take it that you know what you saw. Keep up the good work.
Ash's restraint in not public shaming him by posting his face on the video is admirable.
Let's go Ash, hard to believe it's been 2 years already. Unfortunately in life you are going to run in to people who are not honorable and will try to get away with everything they can to get an edge. You made the right decision, you spoke your peace and then you walked. Playing hungry, tired and mad usually just leads to bad calls and chasing in an attempt at vindication. File that away in the lessons learned bin and keep on rocking it. It's only up from here!
Happy 2nd Anniversary of you vlog!! It's hard enough to play poker but to show it all to the world is extra incredible, Congrats!!
I think you’re a great person for what you did. You called out exactly what happened. You stood up for good reasons. You even had the awareness to leave at that moment because of how it made you feel. You reflected on it. In a sense, you won the war. You lost the minimum in my view when he could have won more without the angle. So it makes him look silly. Keep going and keep inspiring! 😊
He didn’t cheat he played a mind game
If playing a mind game is cheating then poker should be banned and people should play roulette
@@bhargavibussu5837 I never said it was cheating. He may not have technically cheated but morally and ethically he is wrong in this situation. If you condone it, then you’re just as bad as he is
@@bhargavibussu5837 it’s cheating. You’re purposely breaking the rules to swing things in your favor. That’s CHEATING, and if you defend it I assume your one of the pieces of shit that has to pull crap like this to win. Which means you’re just a bad player. You never see any of the greats angle shoot.
@@23BEATNGU you don’t have to be mean to say that
1. Poker still falls under the category of gambling
2. Never trust anyone at the poker table
3. Poker is a mind game
He didn’t see the opponent cards or show his cards to opponents. He played a mind game ,
if playing a mind game is cheating then what is poker, coming to the table with money and loose
Everybody have their strategies
Sorry if we are not on the Same page but you can’t make how your opponent plays
You have to adjust your game according to the opponents.for me poker is not only about what 2 cards you hold in your hand but how do you play with your opponent with the available information.
@@camela9627 Which comment? I hope not mine. 😆
Good job for calling him out on it and as a former professional poker dealer, TD and player myself depending on the room sometimes the player will be asked to leave by the floor if they are called because its not good for the game and causes issues
while it’s bad etiquette, people need to remember it’s still just a GAME. angling/slow rolling is all a part of the game. just take it on the chin and move on
Ya agreed, poker is an amoral game.
@@CopypastedatesPeople use table talk as an angle too - anything to gain an edge.
There will always be angle shooters and bad players. People who cut chips out and slide them toward the line are the worst and I always say something to them or to the dealer. If I'm multi way and someone checks out of turn, I'll say something because they are giving information that will affect the decisions of the other players. Keep up the grind and don't let bad players put you on tilt. Love your vlogs, keep them coming.
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There's definitely going to be some bad apples in the bunch. Hate that happened, but proud of your decision to leave the game due to all the factors. That's a top tier play. Plus a very nice rebound the next session!
And happy vlogiversary (if that's even a thing 😄)!!! Keep up the great work!
People are so trifling. Way to stand up for yourself. You have great honor. Is there any recourse the house can do against that sort of shenanigans? Love your videos, now I just love you and what you stand for.
love it that u called him out on the table it was a great place to leave
Well done on calling him out, and good of you to protect your bankroll and make the right decision to play another day. Way too many players would have stayed and hoped for a 'win' to make themselves feel better. That can be expensive.
Really enjoyed your hands against Mr Limper. Also, it's nice to see chips on the button for the dealer. Dealers need to get paid.
Hi Ash, so sorry you had that experience people suck but you handled that like a champ and always keep your head up ❤️
Well done, Ash. This episode and the whole two years. By the way, I loved the basketball, a throwback to the old days.
I thought you played well. Strong mindset, when you weren't into playing you stepped away. Came back and scored a win. I enjoy the videos and I learned something. Wishing you continued success.
You did the right thing calling out that angle shooter, Ash. I would have done the same had I been in your position. You took the time to reflect on it as well, and I admire that. Unfortunately, not everyone is as honorable as you or me. The way I handle the dishonorable players is to not let them see that they get to me.
This is a tell . Old Man Coffees favorite move.
I love when they pick up their cards like their getting ready to fold when you start to bet
Then jam on you.
I just laugh and fold
Ash needs to toughen up if she’s going to play in Texas.
I admire your work ethic, as I can see how hard you’ve worked on your game. Sending some good karma your way!
Angle shooting is just part of the game. My favourite one is when you are facing an all in, i sometines say 'I cold' and look at them, they usually react by showing cards or letting you know if it was a good call or not. I then say what are you talking about i said im cold. Just make sure to only use it now and again with different dealers. I have a lot more that are really good.
I love your vlogs, honest and well stated. There are a lot of less than honorable people always trying to take advantage of other players, especially women. Just keep being who you are and move on. I do have the Poker Analytics app. I’ve used it for several years and really like it a lot. Keep your head up girl!
Hi Ashley. You have every right to feel how you did. You also have the right to express your feelings about it. Don't let any negative comments detour you. Keep your head up and keep crushing. 💯
Wow! I'm so proud of you for speaking up girl!!! People are sooooo lame. Like, tell me you're uncomfortable with your playing skills without telling me you're uncomfortable with your playing skills lmaooo, that's how I think of angle shooters
Give ‘em hell,Ash! Reality is there are a lot of not nice people in this world. Kudos to you for putting this jerk in his place. You mentioned that he was an older male which makes me think of that saying about a leopard and his spots. No point in letting this person occupy any mora space in your head. On to the next day and your journey. Get the feeling that you’ll see this type thing again. Take the high road and don’t stoop to their level.
Would Love some MTT VLOG moments !!
I like the stack update feature after a big hand.
Thanks Masta!!!!
I’m curious if you would have played the turn differently if he hadn’t angled you with the out of turn check? Probably still betting your set.
Yes - don’t give the luxury of letting that person know when they’re dangling you because they know they wrangling you I really like your videos do you explain things real well and keep up the good work you’re gonna do great
Played 1-2 there two weeks ago while visiting...interesting mix of players.
Love your videos. But I think you overreacted in berating the “angler.” I understand you felt taken advantage of in the moment (and its sucks to hit a set and lose the pot) but he’s probably a deeply flawed (losing) player you WANT in the game and his antics probably got you OFF the hook in that particular hand by alerting you to his trap (if it is an angle, it’s not a very effective one)There is also a world where it was not a deception - perhaps he thought he was checking behind with a draw, but turned it into a semi-bluff in reaction to what he perceived as your attempt to steal the pot from him once he had signaled weakness.
She was actually braiding that player before it even happened. Or maybe because it was edited commentary she already knew what was going to happen. I don’t understand why the majority of her videos or her calling people names and suggesting people don’t know how to play. I believe this was a won two games she was on. If she is such a professional, you think she’d be at a higher game. I watch many poker Vlogs, but hers is the only one I have seen where she calls the other players names, says that they don’t have any skill or know how to play, and acts like she’s better than them.
Ok, so there is a rule to protect the game from this. Just like a bet out of turn stands if the action hasn’t changed… a check out of turn means he can now only check, or call a bet. His out of turn action means he can no longer take an aggressive action (ie: raise). That rule is there for this exact scenario. The floor should have ruled that his options were to either call, or fold.
Just subscribed. Good call on getting away from the angler.
happy 2 year, Lady! ;0
good move Ash, sorry you have to meet creeps
Great come back
Only been playing for 8 years and never knew that was a form of angle shooting.
Weeeeee that was fun!...Good for you...givin him what'fer & all that!...YOUDOYOUBOO!...
Ash getting spicy, I like it😎
Hey Ashleigh, feel the feeling, then move on. You are away above the level of that guy. He will get his comeuppance soon enough
I commented at the time. But now seeing the video, it’s pretty obvious. That wasn’t a nervous tic. Good for you for calling it out. I got angled once at Aria that was pretty lousy. Hard to describe the context in comments. I’ll have to tell you the next time we are in the same place. 😁
Your a kind sweet person, no doubt that was a punk move. But going home to regroup was smart. I know you'll definitely get it back twice over. 💯
I'm an older person too and I have to say that mental lapses when you are over 70 come more frequently then you think. Sorry, but older people make these kinds of mistakes more often than you may think. He may have been confused when he hit the nut hand and got excited and reacted incorrectly while trying to appear calm. Do you think that a person over 60 will ever win the WSOP or be the world chess champion? Either way, I still love you Ashley. Another great Vlog.
That’s what shows you u can not be that nice and cool with ppl. U got to see what’s up with them and then go with the flow. But when ur playing cards for a living like I do also I go for there cash and go forward. Great job for letting it go and dipping and starting off the next day. A lot of ppl cannot do that. That’s great that u could do that
I remember that K8 hand! Max value 🔥🔥
I've been playing at TCH Dallas since they opened in Oct 2020. I have not seen a 1/3, $1,000 max game! I'm guessing they will open a table if enough people ask. Then looking at your video, I see 2/5 at the bottom, so I guess you just made an error calling it 1/3? No biggie. I play 1/2, $500 max, or 2/5, $1,000, match the stack. Still hoping to run into you there sometime soon. Also, come try Poker House Dallas.
I do not get the fold at all because we even beat value (QJ+Q8+86+66) yes we heavily block 2 of those 4 hands but you could also given him a bluff like 97 suited or something weird. Remember you said this guy is not a good player so he could easily have overvalued his hand. As far as the "Angle" goes I think its fine to say something but don't let it affect your emotions so much.
It didn’t affect my emotions so much. I was fine. But nobody is gonna let someone try to cheat right in front of them and not say anything.
And I wasn’t getting the right odds to call for a board pair. I would bet my house he had 9T. I watched him play. He didn’t wanna call flop, only hand that’s calling is exactly 9T considering he didn’t want to call. He got lucky. GG.
Looking for integrity around a poker table is a tough thing. Your action shouldn’t have been influenced by his. Fold, or gamble with the chance of losing.
I would want to call and hit that full house but folding is the best to keep his winnings to a minimum. Punish the fish later!
Well played Ash!
Happy Anniversary and congratulations! You've accomplished so much in two short years! Once in a while you're going to run into a dirtbag (I'll say it) like Mr. Angleshoot...just try to let it roll off you. Good on you for catching it!
What a winner!
Great to call him out in front of everyone at the table and on your vlog.
Leaving when you did was the smartest move since you were obviously tilted as a result of the angle, the tears made it obvious. Folding was definitely measured - good job on that. Unfortunately, there are plenty of anglers in poker, the world is not fair Ash - you know that right? Next time don't say anything, anglers don't deserve to know they affected you...that is part of their game also. Bravo on the fold and the quick exit. Those are the actions of an excellent poker player.
I understand that it is an angle but is it best to not call it out before betting? I admittedly don't play a lot live but it seems by calling it out beforehand you could get a read better on whether he was a doofus who checked out of turn or a liar trying to angle you. Appreciate the insight.
2nd rule of poker. Never bluff a limper/calling station. Great comeback
That was tough Ash! If he knows what he did, which I assume he did if you say so, then that’s pretty shitty. Don’t let it bother you too much though. Some (maybe most) players at those stakes aren’t worth worrying that much about. Just remember his face and punish him in another hand! Keep grinding! Love your content! Hope to meet and/or play with you one day.
This exact situation happened to me a few weeks back. I never said anything at the time, but what I realized is that you should do exactly what you would have done anyway. Don't change your actions, and the results are essentially the same; completely defusing his feeble attempt. Interestingly it was an older guy who did this to me as well. Which is interesting, old guys so close to death are usually much nicer players or at least not shady. Good philosophy leaving when not feeling it...I've been doing that a lot more lately and enjoying the results.
I'm with you on the angle shooter, that sort of thing really gets me. It's funny how polarizing it is, and so many people defend or applaud that sort of behavior.
I was playing at Aria last night and the dealer called out a guy for slowrolling a multi way showdown and it was nice to see.
Unfortunately today civility and respect take a back seat to self-interest for a lot of people both on the table and off.
Happy 2 yr vlogiversary!! It's only up from here 🙂
I can't believe it's 2 years wao buena suerte
That's a tough one. I think there should be a rule against significantly changing the action after acting out of turn. Generally if a player bets out of turn, that bet must stand. They can't bet out of turn and then decide to change to a check after being checked to. Perhaps there should be a rule that a player that checks out of turn is only allowed to check or call. In my experience, players that legitimately accidentally check out of turn are doing it often as they lack experience. It doesn't just generally happen one time in a session.
I have played where such a rule was in effect; I thought it was pretty universal - I guess not.
Heads up, cant complain.
The world is full of those with no honor. Don’t let that change you! Also let’s take all their damn money lol. As always enjoy the content and hope you get them next time! Can’t wait to play with you sometime!
I’m definitely guilty of checking out a turn. Not as an angle, but just because I’m not as experienced. I think it would be completely legit. If they implemented a rule. If you check out of term, you can only flat call. And then immediately showdown.
Fun, fun, fun.
If you check out of position, can you raise? Can't do that at my local cas
I would have asked the dealer to clarify the action and if out of turn action is binding (here in L.A. it's not). Let the guy know that you know what he's up to.
Pretty unlucky about the rulings there, where I play if you check out of turn you can't take any aggressive action when it comes back to you so not a good idea to try an angle shoot up here in montreal. Maybe you get the rules updated? 🤞
Honestly it's stuff like this that made me quit I think permanently playing. I really started thinking differently about people in general and that's not my nature. You handled it well and I'm glad you called his ass out
Nice Ash.
Ash -we love you and it was Messed up -you are strong,resilient, horonable and AWESOME - Poker attracts so creeps
Mr. Limpper just punished!!! Lol
He didn’t cheat. You said he wasn’t a very good player. Maybe it was a mistake. Don’t take it so personal
Ain't no friends at the poker table. Win his money and feel no remorse.
Afternoon from the UK, you can now see that the Poker world and indeed many other situations allows arseholes to flourish, its a shame but reality, so sorry you had to experience this scumbag, the Casino should have asked him to leave having watched back video evidence, regards Fraser
You should have called that Guys all in . I think u had him crushed ! 😂 if he did have 9 Ten u could have rivered an 8 or the board paired . If he had QQ that’s just bad luck but u could hit an 8 still
Did his check out of position really change the action in this situation too much? You were going to bet turn and he was going to raise regardless. He picked up no information or didn't really change the action by acting out of turn.
Also just finished the vid. So satisfying to watch you destroy dude to your right. Nice finish!
the point of the angle (checking out of turn) was to feign weakness. it was a scummy move intended to make villain seem a lot weaker than he was. while it didn’t change the action per se, it changed our perception of his hand strength.
@@jcw8955 I just don't know how that particular player could think it was any advantage if his move is to jam overtop of any bet. If anything wouldn't it cost villain money if he's feigning weakness and hero puts less money into the pot because of it?
Or was the angle meant to induce a bluff? Sorry trying to wrap my head around it
@@dingaonhockey yes but villain thought his angle would work. he didn’t know that Ash was savvy/experienced enough not to fall for it. doesn’t change the fact it was a dirty move that might deceive other people, especially recreational players.
You’re playing poker don’t expect honor and stop taking stuff so personally. You can’t control how other people act you can only control how you react don’t sweat the small stuff woman you got it
So proud of you for 1. calling out the angle shooter politely and 2. knowing when to leave
That is a huge win Imo 🏆
Great lessons to watch
It's hard to make a judgement since we're only hearing one side of the story. What is your history with this player? Has he been caught doing it before? You don't think he could've had QJ? Appreciate you so much Ashley but I think you should probably let it go.
There is no such a thing poker community