Mine was boiled dinner (corned beed and cabbage and potatoes and carrots). Someone complained about the texture of the meat and I told them I'll never cook for them for the rest of my life... and then I promptly died. I awoke 2 days later and joke was on them, they had to cook for me during my convalescence.
You can find it on TH-cam. Plenty of clips of Blackadder and A Bit of Fry and Laurie and there’s also whole episodes of “jeeves and wooster”, if you are into vintage British humor.
@@pansepot1490 You can also find "Alfresco", their first tv show which also featured Laurie's then girlfriend Emma Thompson. It is not very good, though.
To be fair, there is another QI episode, where they discuss the half life of facts, and how 7% of the facts discussed on QI are proven untrue in a year lol Ah, information is a hoot.Thanks, Dan! Love your videos!
Couldn't it just be that late December in the northern hemisphere is the start of the darkest, coldest time of the year and as such it seems like a good time to have a feast with friends involving booze and food and songs to whatever gods you like?
The Hibernal Solstice belongs to no god... well, other than mine, but mine lets everyone else use it. But then they went and changed the calendar around so that it on a different date now than then. Can't these people count as well as they worship, or just forget future-telling and look to the horizon?
Legends. I was lucky enough to get that show on tv as a kid. Only a few channels to watch back in my country but one of them always made room for british comedy like this and monty python.
Forgot to mention the Young Ones! Maybe someone remebers this one "Guys, there's some dinner on the floor if you want it. If you don't, like, that would also be cool, because I only spent all day cooking it, right, and like, I was the one who got it together to put the lentils on to soak last night, but maybe we should just get a cat, right, and give it to the cat, 'cause it's obvious none of you can be both-- guys? Maybe it'd be cool if I just died, right?"
Stephen Fry is a great guy. But as we see here, we are all able to get sucked into confirmation bias and similar problems if we let our guard down. We need to question our certainty about the things we believe and make sure that certainty is in line with the strength of the evidence.
I have heard all of these “parallels” with Mithras and Jesus before, but I believe that the reference was Carl Jung, citing them as evidence for his theory of “archetypes” in human experience.
Really loving the mapping out of that region's myths and the way "religious" stories were unknowingly synchronized and subverted! I read an article wrote by M L King about Mithras and Christian stories some time ago - it's all fun (and telling)! This is a great channel.
@@FreakyRufusabove someone made a similar comment but with a 7% fact failure rate. Here we have an example of either the Telephone Game or an example of the saturation of misinformation. This is how cults and rumors get started.
I have been waiting for this one. I remember watching this clip before I ever found Dan’s videos and him covering the misinformation regarding other mythologies’ inspiring the Jesus narrative. And I believed it because QI seemed reliable enough and it made sense that one tradition would come from another. In defense of QI they later did a segment where they talk about the ‘half life of QI facts’ where they say a good chunk of the stuff they have given as facts turned out to not be true.
@@brettmajeske3525 That’s a good point. I don’t know much about Mithras but from the way Dan is talking it doesn’t sound like there is much data about the Mithras myths. My guess would be that some aspects of the myth predate Christianity, but by the time that Sol Invictus and Mithras were conflated it would have been plausible that some aspects of the Christian tradition had influenced the details of Mithras. Perhaps by people who worshiped Mithras and interacted with Christians or who had converted.
@ethanlarsen7367 My understanding, from a college class from 20 years ago is that the primary time period for the cult of Mithras was after 100 ad. I am unaware of any evidence of significant influence that predates Christianity. People just assume because it's pagan it must come before. Yet the height of Mithras worship is from the third and fourth centuries.
Fair enough. I have no reason to think that it predates Christianity. I was just guessing that if we have data of its existence from not too long after the life of Jesus then it could have predated or coincided with the development of Christianity. Or if it did come after, but before Christianity became dominant then it would have come about independently.
@@brettmajeske3525 I believe I read that much has been written about Mithras cult, but in actuality we know very little about them and most is speculation. So we know even less about its origin or influences.
I am so sorry Dan, but I have a question about a phrase I hear all the time from Christians that makes no sense to me. I want to know if they are translating the verse correctly. "Fear of God" or "Fear of the Lord". It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in modern times to use the word "fear" in regards to a loving deity. I want to know if it's the correct translation, or if it was translated to create actual fear in the followers. Proverbs 9:10 is the passage that the intarwebs AI references.
There is a portion of humanity that cannot, will not, absolutely refuses to believe that humans will behave without a threat of punishment. The godly seem to believe that if you don't fear the eternal torment of a deity you will certainly betray any trust, lie steal and kill for pleasure and seek to corrupt any order or decency. Man, who has the energy?
@@NWPaul72 I've been doing a little research. The Christian sites I've found that claim to explain it say that "fear" means "respect". and "reverence" What I want to know is why they continue to insist on calling it "fear" when it supposedly does not mean "fear". It's a negative word that can be very confusing and easily misunderstood. Using "respect" or "reverence" would completely clear up the mess that using the word "fear" has caused among Christians.
I am no Dan, but i wanted an answer so i asked chatGPT, so no guarantees that it's perfect information. The phrase "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" is from Proverbs 9:10 in the Bible. The word used for "fear" in this context is the Hebrew word "yir'ah" (יִרְאָה). Possible translations and meanings of "yir'ah": 1. Fear - This is the most direct translation and refers to a sense of awe or reverence, often with the idea of respect or dread in the presence of a higher power. 2. Reverence - This interpretation emphasizes deep respect and honor, recognizing the greatness and majesty of God. 3. Awe - This translation highlights a sense of wonder and amazement in response to God's power and holiness. 4. Respect - This translation stresses the importance of honoring and recognizing God's authority. 5. Reverential fear - This combines both the element of fear and deep reverence, indicating a healthy respect for God's power and authority. While the word "fear" might seem negative in other contexts, in this case, it is not about terror but about a deep, respectful awareness of God's greatness and the wisdom that comes from acknowledging that relationship.
I think the same feeling and use of the word would likely apply when someone was to stand before a king. Reference, awe but also fear of the authority and power to condemn you. They are in total control, all powerful. Your destiny is in their hands, for good or bad. Both awe inspiring and frightening. Now that i think of it, it's that same feeling when seeing a tornado. It's probably going to be ok and a great show, but you never know which way fate turns.
As a historian, I’d sell my left kidney to know this much about Mithras. Nearly everything we know is guesswork or second hand. This is generally true of the mystery cults and even the “religion” overall. Christianity makes no internal sense. Christianity makes no sense as the successor to Judaism. And If Christians acted like Jesus, there wouldn’t be a discussion about them in the first place, You don’t need to invent information about a mystery cult that real historians have barely managed to understand the surface level of.
@SleepyPotterFan - Well-l-l, compared to _wHaT ?_ (-George Putnam, whom see with Mort Sal @ th-cam.com/video/BzZnoYYPYbE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YzxDJrRmx9xRFvI6 ) > > > ` `_PhiloSophy is serial decapitation_ ' ' (-Walter Ralston Martin _on air_ ; author of _The Kingdom of the {~Cults~_ / minority religions} ). _ _ Was its break-up from the Byzantines un-seemly ? _ _ Did it go astray as it married the State (confer Matt's Bio., § 20:25 ff.) _ _ Is it too schismatic with regard to _da Jooz_ ? • • • The acceptance of the anonymous Epistle to Hebrews was ``very early," said the _ProTestant ShowMan_ at Hollywood Freeway [[ @FB... /JohnMacArthurGTY ]] - cf. § 8:
@ If my comment confused you and you would like a clarification, that’s fine, but after rereading it, I don’t see what was confusing. Which part should I clarify?
@@stevevastaChristianity is weird and conflicted enough on its own without speculating that it's a corruption or plagiarization of Mithras. But with supporting arguments.
I have long understood that Mithras was a diety of the Roman Army Officer Class while Christians were primarily the enlisted class. And that in several places the Temple to Mithras was in a cave or basement under the Christian Church
The cave comes from Porphyry's De Antro, and over the years I accept less and less of the material in that essay as linked to any actual cultic material.
According to Plutarch, Mithras was regarded as a mediator between the gods and human beings. The magi were religious authorities associated with Mithras. This mediator concept is similar to the Logos tradition as it applied to Jesus (borrowed from Philo of Alexandria, see Gospel of John 1). It's quite interesting to read of Matthew's magi tradition in light of this background. Justin Martyr also recognized the similarities between the Christian eucharist and the Mithraic rites involving bread and wine. But Justin posited that evil demons were trying to mislead Christians with super-similar religious practices in other local religions. More likely than not, early Christianity was strongly influenced by Greco-Roman mystery religions, including the Mithraic mysteries.
That may be accurate. It's important to recall that the Mithras cult was a mystery cult, with beliefs accessible solely to its initiates, who were prohibited from documenting their knowledge. Therefore, any efforts to describe it would be conjectural at best. I believe some scholars have attempted to deduce its essence from the cult's meeting places and associated sculptures.
@@busylivingnotdyingThe writings of Plutarch, Dio Chrysostom, Justin Martyr, Lucian, Tertullian, Origen, Clement, Porphyry, and others also help illuminate the Mithraic mysteries.
@@busylivingnotdying It was pretty well known that mystery cults provided salvation to initiates who underwent some type of death and rebirth ritual. We have multiple sources that attest to this. Mithras was likely influenced by the cults that came before it e.g. Dionysus, Isis and Osiris, Demeter and Persephone, etc.
House MD was the first show I saw Hugh Laurie in and still one of my favorite shows. Don't know what this Fry & Laurie is, I'll have to check it out sometime.
@@vmonk2 "Actually no. Almost everything was spot on." Actually no, they did many corrections throughout the show itself, especially when people wrote in to complain. The Elves(tm) did a pretty good job of fact checking but they got *a lot* wrong and that doesn't matter because it is a comedy show.
Aurelian tried to declare Mithras/Sol Invictus the primary deity of the Roman Empire in 274 CE to encourage social cohesion, because he had just spent most of his reign reuniting the Empire by reconquering the breakaway Palmyrene and Gallic Empires. This project was interrupted by his assassination the following year, but the next emperor who managed to have a stable, lengthy reign, Diocletian, revived the concept and tried to make Zeus the primary deity of the Empire. His successor Constantine continued the project, even considering Sol Invictus as the primary deity at one point, but then settled on Christianity and made it the religion of the Empire. So Mithras/Sol Invictus is not the inspiration for the Christian faith tradition, but it's arguably the inspiration for the Christian political agenda.
Mithras is from Ithar/Ithra the Hindu sun god called Surya under a variety of names, such as Indra, Zeus, and IUpiter (Jupiter) aka Isaiah (savior sun) of the bible. He is closely associated with the sacred seven or Aries thru Libra (Ark of the Covenant), which are the seven levels of initiation into Mithraism. There is also a connection to Michael (who is like god). See painting of Michael holding a sword in one hand (Aries/Mars) and the scales (Libra/Venus) in the other hand. There is also a connection to the rider of the white horse aka Jupiter in Aries and the rider of the black horse aka Juno in Libra. Venus rules Saturn in the sign Libra. Aries is ruled by Mars. Aries is also the sign of Stephen.
@harveywabbit9541 Meh not too compelling. Mystery cults loved to borrow names of deities and heroes etc from the exotic East. It was probably more like Christianity or any other mystery rite of the time than it was like Hindusim.
One thing is clear. The solstices and equinoxes were recognized as important dates. Jesus' conception at the Spring equinox (traditionally viewed as the procreation time, thus the rabbits of Easter) and his birth at the Winter Solstice, the time when the Sun is reborn, the days start to get longer again, giving hope ... All this seems to be very much like what was done with other deities such as Mithras, tying them into the solstices and equinoxes. I wouldn't be surprised if we found the pattern among many other myths and mythical characters of the period. Who was copying whom? They were all drawing from long histories before them.
So it appears there's a couple issues with what you're claiming here. First as Dan makes clear his conception date was based off the date of his death, which we actually do know or at least can calculate from the biblical text. Because he was killed around Passover. It is that tie to passover that dictates the other dates they came up with, not whether it was a spring or winter festival or equinox or something. Now, as Dan says, it didn't hurt that those time periods aligned. But that wasn't really factored into their decision of how they came up with that date. And the second thing is the stuff about rabbits at Easter is not true. Rabbits were a uniquely Christian addition to Easter. Had nothing to do with pagan gods or fertility rights. In fact, IIR C ( and Dan has some videos where he talks about this) it had to do with the belief that rabbits could become pregnant while they were still pregnant from the previous pregnancy. and that was, for Christians, reminiscent of the virgin birth and also ideas of resurrection and new life. You can see rabbits depicted in Christian iconography for quite some time for this reason.
Everyone should watch absolutely watch Jeeves & Wooster, A bit of Fry & Laurie and the Blackadder shows. That is part of British humour history and excellent shows the lot of them. I would also recommend Black Book and IT Crowd. Comedy at its best! 👍😎
Mithras in one of the core myths (known today) was about slaying a divine bull and how that caused "cosmic renewal". And while Mithras did not physically die in the myth, the strugle led to release of sort life giving force. This part is in my opinion a far strech to see similarity to jesus myths.
Sunday is in my opinion more interesting. It is known that Constantine officially designated Sunday as a day of rest in 321 CE, blending solar worship and Christian tradition, and so some scholars have suggested that Roman Sun gods like Mithras and Solar Invictus had influenced Christissnity and thus formed the traditions based on Sundays and Soltices, but there are no definite evidence, so it remains speculative option. (In my opinion, very plausible).
I never imagined QI would get a reaction! Good show, I use to watch it almost religiously. I think they would be happy to admit they got stuff wrong (like this), from time to time. I found this this video quite interesting. Of course the real reason Christmas is on the 25th is because 🐋...
It could be good idea to point out how The Roman festival of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (the "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun") was celebrated on December 25th, established by Emperor Aurelian in 274 CE. And how some archaelogical evidence do support the notion that Sun in some form was worshipped at that date before that. The Mithras has been linked in some evidence to the idea of Solis Invicti, which is the only basis of modern claims ghat Mithras had a birthday at 25th of DEC. If that is a good reason or not can be a subjective matter, but the notion here is how the birthday for Mithras is not invented from nothing.
Great vid, thanks Dan! I've studied Mithras for many years, and have heard the claims of Mithras inspiring Jesus' story, but, virtually all of them are false and completely made up. What I have found to be verifiably true is that the early Catholic church was heavily influenced by Mithras, which is obvious in many of the practices and art, as most of Rome was of the religion and belief of Mithras during the 2nd and 3rd centuries C.E. Every society and people who's adopted a religion, typically pulls in beliefs from their previous beliefs.
has anyone figured out how many religions/celebrations happen in the middle of winter? i can think of a couple of good reasons why people would have them.
Hi Dan, I recently found out about you through Brittany Hartley on Tik Tok. Your knowledge and interpretation of the Bible is greatly appreciated. Thank you for that. I was just wondering about the many comic strip T shirts you wear which I don't see as having any connection with Biblical studies. You said on this video the "fit for this video is Animaniacs" So, I'm just wondering about the word "fit" and why the T shirts. I'm just asking out of curiosity. Thanks!
I have read that astrological signs were important back in those days. So the winter Solstice on Dec. 21 is significant not only that short day but the 3 days following the 22nd, 23rd and 24th see little change but on the 25th the days are now noticeably a bit longer thus the birth of the sun (son). And why did they change the Sabbath to “Sunday? I not claiming the above as of having any relationship to the birthday of Jesus but does make me curious.
Mithra was deemed the son of Ahura-Mazda, the divine God of the heavens. Independent worship of Mithra declined with Zoroastrianism. The original Persian Mithra worship branched out into India where Mithra was known as Mitra. Mithras was based on Mithra but was elevated from a son of God to God himself.
Here we go again. But since December 25th is not the major claim I will pass on this bait until the end. Short answer Dan may be right or wrong, the question is profane. Let’s deal with the larger issue. The late Bronze Age collapse created a period which was a dark age but also a period were gods vanished or underwent reformulation due to paucity in temple practices. It is from this period were tribes like the Medes form, never really a cohesive people but seminomadic herdsmen with centers of trade dotted along the east west trading routes that developed in the 2nd and third Millenium BCE. While the population centers in Akkad and Sumer were literate, there were few signs of literacy along these trade routes. There are no signs of literacy in BMAC, Yaz 1 or Yaz 2. Literacy in the Indus Valley, very marginal disappears until the Vedic traditions appear. Thus there was a wide stretch of land between the Zagros mountains and Afghanistan were the prehistoric persisted. For example there are no writings for Zoroastrianism that predate the 6th century BCE, at which time the Median tribes flattened Assyrias large cities and then Persia (Achaemenid empire) replaced Babylon. Since the language of Zoroastrianism is Avestan it’s assumed that ZA is a product of Yaz II (1100 - 700 BCE). So why am I going through this. You cannot talk about the development of Mithraism without talking about the natural history of the northern Iranian plateau and Eastern Caspian Sea. Mithraism like Zoroastrianism are substrate emergent beliefs, they have prehistoric precedences. So let’s deal with what we know. “Airyanem Vaejah is considered in Zoroastrianism to be the homeland of the early Iranians and the place where Zarathustra received the religion from Ahura Mazda.” This appears to be a fictionalized foundational legend regarding origins that attempts to unify people later conquered by the “Aryan” (
I don't know if this is really up your alley, but maybe you can recommend someone better. What's the story behind "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" by Kersey Graves. I feel like this is behind a lot of this misinformation about Christianity. If it's not something you want to address, do you know somebody who might? And if it is something you've already addressed, tell me what the Maklelan number is. Thanks.
Is not this another example of trying to suss out _origins_ from _transformations_ of religions? As Christianity became more and more Romanized, how much of Roman culture diffused into Christianity?
QI was a good show but every now and then they'd say something terribly incorrect. I seem to remember them saying marsupials weren't mammals once which I found very weird for a show that is all about sharing knowledge.
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There's different versions of Mithraism with quite a bit of variation, especially between Persian and Roman branches. Manichaeism incorporated both Mithra and Jesus, and may be responsible for some of the comparisons. But Manichaeism wasn't invented until the 3rd century.
Because the word "data" is the plural of the singular word "datum." It's become common to use it with a singular sense, but I've always used it with the plural sense.
Edgelord, knowitall atheists and conspiracy theorists trying to stick it Christians by making this stuff up are almost as annoying as fundamentalist Christians.
The largest problem with new atheism is that it is a movement that is specifically in opposition to Christianity, but it doesn't realize that about itself. This leads to irrelevant arguments, like arguing about why a particular day is chosen for a feast?!?
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See how old that clip is you dug up? Maybe don't go seeking out clips that you can fit in a Zeitgeist-shaped hole. Read more from the classical era. Much more.
Yes, QI is prone to using poor quality sources. But there is a wider point, that christianity is a syncretic patchwork, full of borrowings from other religions. The sons of Zeus appearing as the sons of thunder, the festival of Dionysus appearing as the last supper, and the notion of being born of a virgin, coming from lots of possible places.
You should send this to the QI elves, they regularly do corrections of their previous factual errors and it could make it into an upcoming season (perhaps even the christmas episode)
At what point does Dan ever attempt to assert that "his fairy tale" is true here? A "fairy tale" he frequently and emphatically speaks _against_ the veracity of from an academic perspective?
My birthday is March 26th, and my mom went into labor on the 25th, I'm also a genetic descendant from Luke through my mitochondrial DNA, according to 23 & Me. The fact I'm not a Christian seems kinda I don't know... weird?
@@hive_indicator318 I wish I could copy and paste a screenshot here so you could help me. I've been researching it myself. It's a claim 23&Me is making. The story from the company I got was that they had access to the original relics of Luke. They were able to get DNA from the relics, and I have partially matching DNA through my maternal line (My mom did 23&Me as well.) Are the relics from the ACTUAL Luke? I don't know. Probably not. People believe they are, though. I'm not religious at all. This isn't a claim to fame. I probably should have given more context. I thought the stuff on 23&Me was public access.
Mithraism is originaly from persia or indo-iranian ancient religion, but comes from persia the western world dont like to talk about it or just a bit, dont repeat it to anybody😂
Every month except for February is longer than 4 weeks. 40 weeks is 280 days; divide 280 days by 30.42 days in an average month and you get 9.2 months.
a month is 4 weeks and 2-3 days. On this scale the exra days matter because 9 months of 30.5 days are 274.5 days witch is almost the 280 days of 40 weeks. So 9 months is a good estimate.
Doctors measure gestation in humans based on the date of the woman’s last period, with a due date usually set 40 weeks later. Conception to birth is roughly 38 weeks, or a little less than nine months.
He's not the inspiration but they are both absolutely without a doubt mystery school figures... Old JC is exactly what a Jewish themed mystery cult would look like.. it's a shame that the mythology surrounding mithras isn't known but it apparently it involves "killing the bull" which has a similar theme to both gilgamesh who slew the bull of heaven and theseus who slew the minotaur. . The bull in this case being symbolic of something you need to remove from yourself. . Again if you knew what a mystery cult was and what they taught the connection would be obvious
Is it? I'm not a huge expert on mystery cults, but what about early Christianity is similar? For one thing, there doesn't seem to have been any real emphasis on mystery. Or on that kind of secret, symbolic rituals.
What about a tradition that explicitly has its members tell everyone about it is a mystery cult? That's the opposite of everything that we have of the Christian texts. You can go ahead and have your certainty, but don't go around spouting this nonsense
@jeffmacdonald9863 I'd recommend Dr Richard Carrier's work on the topic and you can find some lectures he's done on TH-cam. The easiest way to identify a mystery religion is from it's mythology. The object of a mystery religion was to directly experience your true self. Death and the nature of the soul being man's greatest mystery. Suffice to say it's a process you must undergo and how this was done was by encoding it into the mythology of the main god. Odin, Osiris, innana, persephone, Orpheus, the Aztec hero twins, sun wukong from China. To name just a few. in their mythology they in some way conquer death.. the myths are allegory but regardless the mysteries were the esoteric or inner teachings while the stories were presented to the masses were the esoteric teachings ie the literal meaning.. the mysteries are hidden so you wouldn't expect to see anything about them but paul uses the words occasionally and most of the Bible springs from him.. but check out Dr carriers work
Fun fact: EVERYONE has a last meal before dying.
I think the reference was to a formal or ceremonial meal -- not "just eating."
Mine was boiled dinner (corned beed and cabbage and potatoes and carrots). Someone complained about the texture of the meat and I told them I'll never cook for them for the rest of my life... and then I promptly died. I awoke 2 days later and joke was on them, they had to cook for me during my convalescence.
According to Dan's numbers, it's likely that a few of us have!
A Bit of Fry and Laurie was huge. Stephen Fry also played a supporting character in Blackadder (Hugh Laurie had a much larger role in one season).
Series 3 & 4
@@meej33 Hugh “House” Laurie had an incredibly convincing British accent on those shows.
@@billcook4768i see what you did there, mateyboy 😂
You can find it on TH-cam. Plenty of clips of Blackadder and A Bit of Fry and Laurie and there’s also whole episodes of “jeeves and wooster”, if you are into vintage British humor.
@@pansepot1490 You can also find "Alfresco", their first tv show which also featured Laurie's then girlfriend Emma Thompson. It is not very good, though.
Oh well... Have a Merry Mithras anyway Dan...
To be fair, there is another QI episode, where they discuss the half life of facts, and how 7% of the facts discussed on QI are proven untrue in a year lol Ah, information is a hoot.Thanks, Dan! Love your videos!
Couldn't it just be that late December in the northern hemisphere is the start of the darkest, coldest time of the year and as such it seems like a good time to have a feast with friends involving booze and food and songs to whatever gods you like?
Except it isn't the day when that starts. The winter solstice is December 21st.
The Hibernal Solstice belongs to no god... well, other than mine, but mine lets everyone else use it. But then they went and changed the calendar around so that it on a different date now than then. Can't these people count as well as they worship, or just forget future-telling and look to the horizon?
@@AlanCosseyI would be merry and drink your booze on the solstice. Heck, I might even bring smoked meats and such.
Never thought I’d see a bit of Fry and Laurie reference here ! Soupy Twist! 😂😂😂
Haha, no one else ever gets where Soupy Twist comes from when I raise a glass! So Soupy Twist! 🍸🍸😆
Legends. I was lucky enough to get that show on tv as a kid. Only a few channels to watch back in my country but one of them always made room for british comedy like this and monty python.
Forgot to mention the Young Ones!
Maybe someone remebers this one
"Guys, there's some dinner on the floor if you want it. If you don't, like, that would also be cool, because I only spent all day cooking it, right, and like, I was the one who got it together to put the lentils on to soak last night, but maybe we should just get a cat, right, and give it to the cat, 'cause it's obvious none of you can be both-- guys? Maybe it'd be cool if I just died, right?"
It gets annoying when anti-apologists get so cock-sure about stuff they are just as wrong about as the apologists.
Religion for breakfast helped me understand this a lot better.
I’ve been waiting for you to cover this topic!
I liked you anyhow, but knowing BIT OF FRY AND LAURIE just makes it that much better!
Stephen Fry is a great guy. But as we see here, we are all able to get sucked into confirmation bias and similar problems if we let our guard down.
We need to question our certainty about the things we believe and make sure that certainty is in line with the strength of the evidence.
It is very important to remember that even smart people experience confirmation bias.
It's always a good idea to check and make sure any particular bit of "common knowledge" is factually correct.
He wasn't the researcher and maker of the questions
I don't think a lot of things should be gotten rid of but Zeitgeist, the documentary, is on that short list...
I have heard all of these “parallels” with Mithras and Jesus before, but I believe that the reference was Carl Jung, citing them as evidence for his theory of “archetypes” in human experience.
Really loving the mapping out of that region's myths and the way "religious" stories were unknowingly synchronized and subverted! I read an article wrote by M L King about Mithras and Christian stories some time ago - it's all fun (and telling)! This is a great channel.
Stephen made a great Mr Jeeves in Jeeves and Wooster.
those two were born for those roles.
Jeeves and Wooster was my introduction to Fry and Laurie. Loved that show! And boy was I surprised when I found out when Laurie played Dr. House! 🤯
Yeah, the elves didn’t always get everything right
In one episode, they stated that something like 60% of the “facts” stated on the show later turn out to be wrong.
@FreakyRufus Yeah, but that fact turned out to be wrong, so it was a wash…
@@FreakyRufusabove someone made a similar comment but with a 7% fact failure rate. Here we have an example of either the Telephone Game or an example of the saturation of misinformation. This is how cults and rumors get started.
Thanks again, Dan!
❤❤❤❤❤❤thanks Dan!!
QI v McClellan, I'm here for this match up
I have been waiting for this one. I remember watching this clip before I ever found Dan’s videos and him covering the misinformation regarding other mythologies’ inspiring the Jesus narrative. And I believed it because QI seemed reliable enough and it made sense that one tradition would come from another. In defense of QI they later did a segment where they talk about the ‘half life of QI facts’ where they say a good chunk of the stuff they have given as facts turned out to not be true.
Why does no one assume that Mithras myths are derived from Christian ones?
@@brettmajeske3525 That’s a good point. I don’t know much about Mithras but from the way Dan is talking it doesn’t sound like there is much data about the Mithras myths. My guess would be that some aspects of the myth predate Christianity, but by the time that Sol Invictus and Mithras were conflated it would have been plausible that some aspects of the Christian tradition had influenced the details of Mithras. Perhaps by people who worshiped Mithras and interacted with Christians or who had converted.
@ethanlarsen7367 My understanding, from a college class from 20 years ago is that the primary time period for the cult of Mithras was after 100 ad. I am unaware of any evidence of significant influence that predates Christianity. People just assume because it's pagan it must come before. Yet the height of Mithras worship is from the third and fourth centuries.
Fair enough. I have no reason to think that it predates Christianity. I was just guessing that if we have data of its existence from not too long after the life of Jesus then it could have predated or coincided with the development of Christianity. Or if it did come after, but before Christianity became dominant then it would have come about independently.
@@brettmajeske3525 I believe I read that much has been written about Mithras cult, but in actuality we know very little about them and most is speculation. So we know even less about its origin or influences.
I could have sworn Mithras was a kaiju who fought Godzilla.
Ur probably thinking of mothra
@@Nikator24 This.
I am so sorry Dan, but I have a question about a phrase I hear all the time from Christians that makes no sense to me. I want to know if they are translating the verse correctly. "Fear of God" or "Fear of the Lord". It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in modern times to use the word "fear" in regards to a loving deity. I want to know if it's the correct translation, or if it was translated to create actual fear in the followers. Proverbs 9:10 is the passage that the intarwebs AI references.
There is a portion of humanity that cannot, will not, absolutely refuses to believe that humans will behave without a threat of punishment. The godly seem to believe that if you don't fear the eternal torment of a deity you will certainly betray any trust, lie steal and kill for pleasure and seek to corrupt any order or decency. Man, who has the energy?
@@NWPaul72 I've been doing a little research. The Christian sites I've found that claim to explain it say that "fear" means "respect". and "reverence" What I want to know is why they continue to insist on calling it "fear" when it supposedly does not mean "fear". It's a negative word that can be very confusing and easily misunderstood. Using "respect" or "reverence" would completely clear up the mess that using the word "fear" has caused among Christians.
I am no Dan, but i wanted an answer so i asked chatGPT, so no guarantees that it's perfect information.
The phrase "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" is from Proverbs 9:10 in the Bible. The word used for "fear" in this context is the Hebrew word "yir'ah" (יִרְאָה).
Possible translations and meanings of "yir'ah":
1. Fear - This is the most direct translation and refers to a sense of awe or reverence, often with the idea of respect or dread in the presence of a higher power.
2. Reverence - This interpretation emphasizes deep respect and honor, recognizing the greatness and majesty of God.
3. Awe - This translation highlights a sense of wonder and amazement in response to God's power and holiness.
4. Respect - This translation stresses the importance of honoring and recognizing God's authority.
5. Reverential fear - This combines both the element of fear and deep reverence, indicating a healthy respect for God's power and authority.
While the word "fear" might seem negative in other contexts, in this case, it is not about terror but about a deep, respectful awareness of God's greatness and the wisdom that comes from acknowledging that relationship.
I think the same feeling and use of the word would likely apply when someone was to stand before a king.
Reference, awe but also fear of the authority and power to condemn you.
They are in total control, all powerful. Your destiny is in their hands, for good or bad.
Both awe inspiring and frightening.
Now that i think of it, it's that same feeling when seeing a tornado. It's probably going to be ok and a great show, but you never know which way fate turns.
As a historian, I’d sell my left kidney to know this much about Mithras.
Nearly everything we know is guesswork or second hand.
This is generally true of the mystery cults and even the “religion” overall.
Christianity makes no internal sense.
Christianity makes no sense as the successor to Judaism.
And
If Christians acted like Jesus, there wouldn’t be a discussion about them in the first place,
You don’t need to invent information about a mystery cult that real historians have barely managed to understand the surface level of.
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> > > ` `_PhiloSophy is serial decapitation_ ' '
(-Walter Ralston Martin _on air_ ; author of _The Kingdom of the {~Cults~_ / minority religions} ).
_ _ Was its break-up from the Byzantines un-seemly ?
_ _ Did it go astray as it married the State (confer Matt's Bio., § 20:25 ff.)
_ _ Is it too schismatic with regard to _da Jooz_ ?
• • • The acceptance of the anonymous Epistle to Hebrews was ``very early," said the _ProTestant ShowMan_ at Hollywood Freeway
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Er -- huh?
@ If my comment confused you and you would like a clarification, that’s fine, but after rereading it, I don’t see what was confusing.
Which part should I clarify?
@@stevevastaChristianity is weird and conflicted enough on its own without speculating that it's a corruption or plagiarization of Mithras. But with supporting arguments.
I have long understood that Mithras was a diety of the Roman Army Officer Class while Christians were primarily the enlisted class. And that in several places the Temple to Mithras was in a cave or basement under the Christian Church
Thank you.
The cave comes from Porphyry's De Antro, and over the years I accept less and less of the material in that essay as linked to any actual cultic material.
According to Plutarch, Mithras was regarded as a mediator between the gods and human beings. The magi were religious authorities associated with Mithras. This mediator concept is similar to the Logos tradition as it applied to Jesus (borrowed from Philo of Alexandria, see Gospel of John 1). It's quite interesting to read of Matthew's magi tradition in light of this background. Justin Martyr also recognized the similarities between the Christian eucharist and the Mithraic rites involving bread and wine. But Justin posited that evil demons were trying to mislead Christians with super-similar religious practices in other local religions. More likely than not, early Christianity was strongly influenced by Greco-Roman mystery religions, including the Mithraic mysteries.
That may be accurate. It's important to recall that the Mithras cult was a mystery cult, with beliefs accessible solely to its initiates, who were prohibited from documenting their knowledge.
Therefore, any efforts to describe it would be conjectural at best. I believe some scholars have attempted to deduce its essence from the cult's meeting places and associated sculptures.
@@busylivingnotdyingThe writings of Plutarch, Dio Chrysostom, Justin Martyr, Lucian, Tertullian, Origen, Clement, Porphyry, and others also help illuminate the Mithraic mysteries.
@@busylivingnotdying It was pretty well known that mystery cults provided salvation to initiates who underwent some type of death and rebirth ritual. We have multiple sources that attest to this. Mithras was likely influenced by the cults that came before it e.g. Dionysus, Isis and Osiris, Demeter and Persephone, etc.
House MD was the first show I saw Hugh Laurie in and still one of my favorite shows. Don't know what this Fry & Laurie is, I'll have to check it out sometime.
It's worth noting that QI was and is a comedy show and the facts in it should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Actually no. Almost everything was spot on. This is one of the rare cases when it was not
@@vmonk2 "Actually no. Almost everything was spot on."
Actually no, they did many corrections throughout the show itself, especially when people wrote in to complain.
The Elves(tm) did a pretty good job of fact checking but they got *a lot* wrong and that doesn't matter because it is a comedy show.
Zany to the max
Anamaniacs!! My favorite "Good idea, bad idea"😂
I'm a huge Stephen Fry fan. He's very intelligent, and hilarious. It just goes to show that even bright people aren't immune to misinformation.
He also sided with Jordan Peterson in a debate.
@@jamesbest9038Jordan Peterson is another example of an intellectual that isn’t immune from and propogates misinformation.
Aurelian tried to declare Mithras/Sol Invictus the primary deity of the Roman Empire in 274 CE to encourage social cohesion, because he had just spent most of his reign reuniting the Empire by reconquering the breakaway Palmyrene and Gallic Empires. This project was interrupted by his assassination the following year, but the next emperor who managed to have a stable, lengthy reign, Diocletian, revived the concept and tried to make Zeus the primary deity of the Empire. His successor Constantine continued the project, even considering Sol Invictus as the primary deity at one point, but then settled on Christianity and made it the religion of the Empire. So Mithras/Sol Invictus is not the inspiration for the Christian faith tradition, but it's arguably the inspiration for the Christian political agenda.
Mithras is from Ithar/Ithra the Hindu sun god called Surya under a variety of names, such as Indra, Zeus, and IUpiter (Jupiter) aka Isaiah (savior sun) of the bible. He is closely associated with the sacred seven or Aries thru Libra (Ark of the Covenant), which are the seven levels of initiation into Mithraism. There is also a connection to Michael (who is like god). See painting of Michael holding a sword in one hand (Aries/Mars) and the scales (Libra/Venus) in the other hand. There is also a connection to the rider of the white horse aka Jupiter in Aries and the rider of the black horse aka Juno in Libra. Venus rules Saturn in the sign Libra. Aries is ruled by Mars. Aries is also the sign of Stephen.
@@harveywabbit9541 Nope. That's made up.
@harveywabbit9541 Meh not too compelling. Mystery cults loved to borrow names of deities and heroes etc from the exotic East. It was probably more like Christianity or any other mystery rite of the time than it was like Hindusim.
Dammit John - it's not Mithras.....it's Marjory. It always has been.
Love Stephen and Hugh!
One thing is clear. The solstices and equinoxes were recognized as important dates. Jesus' conception at the Spring equinox (traditionally viewed as the procreation time, thus the rabbits of Easter) and his birth at the Winter Solstice, the time when the Sun is reborn, the days start to get longer again, giving hope ... All this seems to be very much like what was done with other deities such as Mithras, tying them into the solstices and equinoxes. I wouldn't be surprised if we found the pattern among many other myths and mythical characters of the period.
Who was copying whom? They were all drawing from long histories before them.
So it appears there's a couple issues with what you're claiming here. First as Dan makes clear his conception date was based off the date of his death, which we actually do know or at least can calculate from the biblical text. Because he was killed around Passover. It is that tie to passover that dictates the other dates they came up with, not whether it was a spring or winter festival or equinox or something. Now, as Dan says, it didn't hurt that those time periods aligned. But that wasn't really factored into their decision of how they came up with that date. And the second thing is the stuff about rabbits at Easter is not true. Rabbits were a uniquely Christian addition to Easter. Had nothing to do with pagan gods or fertility rights. In fact, IIR C ( and Dan has some videos where he talks about this) it had to do with the belief that rabbits could become pregnant while they were still pregnant from the previous pregnancy. and that was, for Christians, reminiscent of the virgin birth and also ideas of resurrection and new life. You can see rabbits depicted in Christian iconography for quite some time for this reason.
@@fepeerreview3150 by the way, I think that reads far more pretentious and pedantic sounding than I intended it to! Lol
I suppose Blackadder didn't eat Mr. Fry's plump pigeon either.
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Mithras in one of the core myths (known today) was about slaying a divine bull and how that caused "cosmic renewal".
And while Mithras did not physically die in the myth, the strugle led to release of sort life giving force. This part is in my opinion a far strech to see similarity to jesus myths.
Sunday is in my opinion more interesting. It is known that Constantine officially designated Sunday as a day of rest in 321 CE, blending solar worship and Christian tradition, and so some scholars have suggested that Roman Sun gods like Mithras and Solar Invictus had influenced Christissnity and thus formed the traditions based on Sundays and Soltices, but there are no definite evidence, so it remains speculative option. (In my opinion, very plausible).
I never imagined QI would get a reaction! Good show, I use to watch it almost religiously. I think they would be happy to admit they got stuff wrong (like this), from time to time. I found this this video quite interesting.
Of course the real reason Christmas is on the 25th is because 🐋...
Satan is the answer you are looking for.
It could be good idea to point out how The Roman festival of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (the "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun") was celebrated on December 25th, established by Emperor Aurelian in 274 CE. And how some archaelogical evidence do support the notion that Sun in some form was worshipped at that date before that.
The Mithras has been linked in some evidence to the idea of Solis Invicti, which is the only basis of modern claims ghat Mithras had a birthday at 25th of DEC.
If that is a good reason or not can be a subjective matter, but the notion here is how the birthday for Mithras is not invented from nothing.
Stephen Fry should have known better.
That Sunday one is really obviously false given when sabbath was initially!
Great vid, thanks Dan! I've studied Mithras for many years, and have heard the claims of Mithras inspiring Jesus' story, but, virtually all of them are false and completely made up. What I have found to be verifiably true is that the early Catholic church was heavily influenced by Mithras, which is obvious in many of the practices and art, as most of Rome was of the religion and belief of Mithras during the 2nd and 3rd centuries C.E. Every society and people who's adopted a religion, typically pulls in beliefs from their previous beliefs.
has anyone figured out how many religions/celebrations happen in the middle of winter? i can think of a couple of good reasons why people would have them.
Hi Dan, I recently found out about you through Brittany Hartley on Tik Tok. Your knowledge and interpretation of the Bible is greatly appreciated.
Thank you for that. I was just wondering about the many comic strip T shirts you wear which I don't see as having any connection with Biblical studies. You said on this video the "fit for this video is Animaniacs" So, I'm just wondering about the word "fit" and why the T shirts. I'm just asking out of curiosity. Thanks!
Can you do a video about the mention of “Ur of the Chaldeans” . The Chaldeans being the neo-Babylonians and not the ancient ones
New year's eve would be the bris
I have read that astrological signs were important back in those days. So the winter Solstice on Dec. 21 is significant not only that short day but the 3 days following the 22nd, 23rd and 24th see little change but on the 25th the days are now noticeably a bit longer thus the birth of the sun (son). And why did they change the Sabbath to “Sunday? I not claiming the above as of having any relationship to the birthday of Jesus but does make me curious.
I keep wearing these boring plain t-shirts and you keep finding these awesome ones.
Mithra was deemed the son of Ahura-Mazda, the divine God of the heavens. Independent worship of Mithra declined with Zoroastrianism. The original Persian Mithra worship branched out into India where Mithra was known as Mitra. Mithras was based on Mithra but was elevated from a son of God to God himself.
So, Mitra was a dude!? In modern day Iran, we're naming our daughters Mitra.
Steven Fry is the DEFINITIVE Jeeves, but he's not as well informed.
I didn’t think the Romans had 7-day weeks, so what would Sunday even mean to them?
Man, Neal got you pretty good in his last video, your credibility is in need of serious rehabilitation.
Here we go again. But since December 25th is not the major claim I will pass on this bait until the end. Short answer Dan may be right or wrong, the question is profane.
Let’s deal with the larger issue.
The late Bronze Age collapse created a period which was a dark age but also a period were gods vanished or underwent reformulation due to paucity in temple practices. It is from this period were tribes like the Medes form, never really a cohesive people but seminomadic herdsmen with centers of trade dotted along the east west trading routes that developed in the 2nd and third Millenium BCE.
While the population centers in Akkad and Sumer were literate, there were few signs of literacy along these trade routes. There are no signs of literacy in BMAC, Yaz 1 or Yaz 2. Literacy in the Indus Valley, very marginal disappears until the Vedic traditions appear. Thus there was a wide stretch of land between the Zagros mountains and Afghanistan were the prehistoric persisted. For example there are no writings for Zoroastrianism that predate the 6th century BCE, at which time the Median tribes flattened Assyrias large cities and then Persia (Achaemenid empire) replaced Babylon. Since the language of Zoroastrianism is Avestan it’s assumed that ZA is a product of Yaz II (1100 - 700 BCE).
So why am I going through this. You cannot talk about the development of Mithraism without talking about the natural history of the northern Iranian plateau and Eastern Caspian Sea. Mithraism like Zoroastrianism are substrate emergent beliefs, they have prehistoric precedences.
So let’s deal with what we know.
“Airyanem Vaejah is considered in Zoroastrianism to be the homeland of the early Iranians and the place where Zarathustra received the religion from Ahura Mazda.”
This appears to be a fictionalized foundational legend regarding origins that attempts to unify people later conquered by the “Aryan” (
But was the rock a virgin?
I don't know if this is really up your alley, but maybe you can recommend someone better. What's the story behind "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" by Kersey Graves. I feel like this is behind a lot of this misinformation about Christianity. If it's not something you want to address, do you know somebody who might? And if it is something you've already addressed, tell me what the Maklelan number is. Thanks.
Is not this another example of trying to suss out _origins_ from _transformations_ of religions? As Christianity became more and more Romanized, how much of Roman culture diffused into Christianity?
QI was a good show but every now and then they'd say something terribly incorrect. I seem to remember them saying marsupials weren't mammals once which I found very weird for a show that is all about sharing knowledge.
There's different versions of Mithraism with quite a bit of variation, especially between Persian and Roman branches. Manichaeism incorporated both Mithra and Jesus, and may be responsible for some of the comparisons. But Manichaeism wasn't invented until the 3rd century.
Dear Dan… why do you say “the data don’t” and not “the data doesn’t”. Thank you.
Because the word "data" is the plural of the singular word "datum." It's become common to use it with a singular sense, but I've always used it with the plural sense.
Edgelord, knowitall atheists and conspiracy theorists trying to stick it Christians by making this stuff up are almost as annoying as fundamentalist Christians.
It reminds me of a phrase often used by ExMormons: why make things up when the reality is just as bad?
I am so tired of my fellow atheists constantly twisting, distorting, and outright falsifying ancient religion and mythology.
To be fair to Stephen Fry, he wasn't the one to do the research and make the questions.
Thank GOD you got that right.
Did you just call The Queen of England a liar?
The largest problem with new atheism is that it is a movement that is specifically in opposition to Christianity, but it doesn't realize that about itself. This leads to irrelevant arguments, like arguing about why a particular day is chosen for a feast?!?
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What a ridiculous recommendation.
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@ Lol! Thanks. I should have known…
See how old that clip is you dug up? Maybe don't go seeking out clips that you can fit in a Zeitgeist-shaped hole. Read more from the classical era. Much more.
Yes, QI is prone to using poor quality sources. But there is a wider point, that christianity is a syncretic patchwork, full of borrowings from other religions.
The sons of Zeus appearing as the sons of thunder, the festival of Dionysus appearing as the last supper, and the notion of being born of a virgin, coming from lots of possible places.
This is like arguing that Spider-Man is just a rewriting of Beowulf.
It's not?
You should send this to the QI elves, they regularly do corrections of their previous factual errors and it could make it into an upcoming season (perhaps even the christmas episode)
Oh no one fairy tale isnt true,so my fairy tale is true???Dude time to get a real job.
At what point does Dan ever attempt to assert that "his fairy tale" is true here? A "fairy tale" he frequently and emphatically speaks _against_ the veracity of from an academic perspective?
My birthday is March 26th, and my mom went into labor on the 25th, I'm also a genetic descendant from Luke through my mitochondrial DNA, according to 23 & Me. The fact I'm not a Christian seems kinda I don't know... weird?
How could they know you're a descendant of a specific guy from Antioch 2,000 years ago? That's a wild claim for them to make
@@hive_indicator318 I wish I could copy and paste a screenshot here so you could help me. I've been researching it myself. It's a claim 23&Me is making. The story from the company I got was that they had access to the original relics of Luke. They were able to get DNA from the relics, and I have partially matching DNA through my maternal line (My mom did 23&Me as well.) Are the relics from the ACTUAL Luke? I don't know. Probably not. People believe they are, though. I'm not religious at all. This isn't a claim to fame. I probably should have given more context. I thought the stuff on 23&Me was public access.
Mithraism is originaly from persia or indo-iranian ancient religion, but comes from persia the western world dont like to talk about it or just a bit, dont repeat it to anybody😂
Human gestation is 10 months. Divide 40 weeks by 4 weeks?
Every month except for February is longer than 4 weeks. 40 weeks is 280 days; divide 280 days by 30.42 days in an average month and you get 9.2 months.
a month is 4 weeks and 2-3 days. On this scale the exra days matter because 9 months of 30.5 days are 274.5 days witch is almost the 280 days of 40 weeks. So 9 months is a good estimate.
Doctors measure gestation in humans based on the date of the woman’s last period, with a due date usually set 40 weeks later. Conception to birth is roughly 38 weeks, or a little less than nine months.
What about Krishna
Stephen Fry is insufferable.
He's not the inspiration but they are both absolutely without a doubt mystery school figures...
Old JC is exactly what a Jewish themed mystery cult would look like.. it's a shame that the mythology surrounding mithras isn't known but it apparently it involves "killing the bull" which has a similar theme to both gilgamesh who slew the bull of heaven and theseus who slew the minotaur. . The bull in this case being symbolic of something you need to remove from yourself. .
Again if you knew what a mystery cult was and what they taught the connection would be obvious
Is it?
I'm not a huge expert on mystery cults, but what about early Christianity is similar? For one thing, there doesn't seem to have been any real emphasis on mystery. Or on that kind of secret, symbolic rituals.
What about a tradition that explicitly has its members tell everyone about it is a mystery cult? That's the opposite of everything that we have of the Christian texts. You can go ahead and have your certainty, but don't go around spouting this nonsense
@@hive_indicator318
Are you saying the first rule of mystery cult is - don't talk about mystery cult?
@jeffmacdonald9863 I'd recommend Dr Richard Carrier's work on the topic and you can find some lectures he's done on TH-cam. The easiest way to identify a mystery religion is from it's mythology. The object of a mystery religion was to directly experience your true self. Death and the nature of the soul being man's greatest mystery. Suffice to say it's a process you must undergo and how this was done was by encoding it into the mythology of the main god. Odin, Osiris, innana, persephone, Orpheus, the Aztec hero twins, sun wukong from China. To name just a few. in their mythology they in some way conquer death.. the myths are allegory but regardless the mysteries were the esoteric or inner teachings while the stories were presented to the masses were the esoteric teachings ie the literal meaning.. the mysteries are hidden so you wouldn't expect to see anything about them but paul uses the words occasionally and most of the Bible springs from him.. but check out Dr carriers work
@@hive_indicator318 one can just as easily say you're spouting nonsense 🙄
I had no idea Fry was a dangerous lunatic.
Oh, I don't think he's dangerous....
Dr. MacLennan is totally wrong here. Start with season 3 of Black Adder, and skip the Wodehouse crap.
Good job evolutionist bible scholar.
Bud, grow the hell up and get a proper education.
Ah. Your crazy is still lurking around.
Huh?
@ Don’t mind him. He is an unhinged anti-Danite.
Jesus wasn't real, and if he's modeled after someone that existed...he's wasn't named Jesus...the letter J hadn't been invented yet.