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- Exploring the origin and history of the Scrin in the Command and Conquer Tiberium timeline/universe. Timestamps, corrections and/or clarifications posted below.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:32 Origins
06:01 The Tiberium Connection
09:12 Organizational Structure
10:48 Military Doctrine
12:47 Third Tiberium War
16:11 Future Invasion
Footage and some images and/or concept art are from Command and Conquer video game series which is the property of Electronic Arts. Other images and art might be used from other sources and all rights to those belong to their respective authors. Video animations, voiced dialogue and editing are made by myself.
Music used:
GDI Map Theme (C&C TD) - Frank Klepacki
Crimson City (C&C3 TW) - Steve Jablonsky
Research Initiative (C&C3 TW) - Steve Jablonsky
Ion Storm (C&C TS) - Frank Klepacki and Jarrid Mendelson
What Lurks (C&C TS) - Frank Klepacki and Jarrid Mendelson
Apocalypse (C&C3 TW) - Steve Jablonsky
Black Dawn (C&C3 TW Menu Music) - Steve Jablonsky
Radiation Alert (C&C3 TW) - Steve Jablonsky
#commandandconquer #scrin - เกม
I absolutely adore the fact that C&C4 just does not exist for pourpose of this lore series.
I also love this too
I think all fans love this fact
Agreed it was a shit show and I payed for it and played it...
CNC 4 does not exist for any purpose.
What is this C&C 4 you speak of?
too bad EA killed GDI and NOD before the Scrin could
@@jayblack8132 while i did not think cnc 3 was that bad, it was far from a franchise killer. twilight and the mobile game was what truly killed C&C
@M. Afiq EA's C&C3 had good gameplay but the story sucked and was very different from westwoods original concept and that is why I can't see this version of the story as the true canon continuation from tiberian sun
@@StealthBlackHand Yeah, I feel the same way. It's a good game, but it's clear through story and design that it's basically trying to emulate Generals and not Tiberian Sun.
They removed a lot of the grimdark atmosphere and straight up killed off the tiberian mutated ecology thing the Firestorm DLC introduced. They also fucked Nod by making their army roster design way too cartoonish and whatever galaxy brain who decided to remove walkers from GDI should never touch a game design document ever again.
@M. Afiq and because the hate of cnc3, ea thought people don't like old style rts games any more and make that cnc4, oh the irony and karma 😂
In response to a bunch of the above since it's picked back up: EA were in this habit of allowing games to finish but just awkwardly messing with them along their development (see also Mass Effect 3 which wasn't cancelled, but you can painfully tell which parts were rushed by an EA suit).
C&C 3 is pretty good, but the original grand concept probably would have made it the best C&C game imho. It was *intended* to have a more apocalyptic and alien visual style like Tiberian Sun, believed to be have CABAL and the Forgotten playable (so 5 factions versus 3 in the final release,) a longer story that wrapped up more questions, and generally just be less cartoonish in both visuals and flow.
Kinda hurts.
I like how Foreman 371's AI just flipped off to the supervisor and then focused on evacuating Foreman out of Earth.
AI of the cycle right there
The Mother Ship AI was the best girl.
Definitely, an AI we could all get behind. She just says fuck you to both the Overlord and Supervisor in order to save you
Same as EDI in mass effect she pretty much does that to cerberus by sending them so much junk data they cut the connection to the ship allowing her and joker to setup a firewall they cant get through
@@maxrander0101 She literally used Jokers porn stash ^^
The Scrin force that attacked Earth was only a mining security force, not a real military attack force. Their leader was a foreman; a person in charge of a group of workers, a particular operation, or a section of a plant. NOD and GDI fought a security force and nothing else.
yea , that makes you think , how strong their regular military actually is ... scary
Not only the regular military, but also the heavy military and their superweapons... that's scary
Imagine what would a real Scrin superweapon would actually be...
maybe something like an ion cannon that can decimate an entire planet...
Exactly, we haven't seen their real superweapon. The rift generator is just a portal connected to space, a mere clever use of their common method of transportation. It's literally the Scrin equivalent of running something over with a bus. @@user-le1zr2dp1k
Fuckin unions
@@user-le1zr2dp1k Imagine, a Death Star size Rift Generator
I love how the GDI has a full ion cannon, and the scrin have rifts in space, while the brotherhood just said “fuck it, nuke ‘em”
Its simple but damn is it ever effective and fun to watch
@@chaosdude0878 Also, probably the easiest to manufacture out of the three options. XD
Lose a nuke launch site, eh whatever
Use an ion cannon satellite... Ouch.
Nuke 'em. Let's nuke the bastards!
Nukes are forever the most effective human WMD. You can harden against an EMP and shield from an Ion Cannon. The Scrin have the best toy, though. Singularity trumps all.
I like how that game that no one acknowledges is completely ignored in this video
EDIT: I watched an interview with Joe Kucan, when asked about the abomination he said "is there a number 4? I don't recall it, you making shit up?", so there you have it boys, Kane himself doesn't acknowledge it
What game?
What game?
@William King what the fuck you are talking about?
@William King bruh, wtf you smoking? What 4th game?
@William King what 4 mate, series ended at 3
I gotta say, I'm still super interested in the seemingly throwaway line of "This being already exists in the datacores!" that the supervisor said when presented with images of Kane.
The scrin know about Kane in some manner.
Interesting point.
It's because he isn't actually human hence why he always lives despite massive injuries he has taken in all the previous C&C games and the massive amount of years that have gone by. Even before C&C 4 if you don't want to count it due to being awful many people were pretty sure Kane was an alien.
Read up on the bible, Genesis 4,1-16. God marked Cain, so that no one would kill him, and that is why he is immortal. This is also referenced in the name of "The Marked of Kane" faction. After that, Cain went to the land of Nod. Like the brotherhood of Nod. Kane/Cain is ancient, and maybe the god in the bible is actually alien, too?
There was also a real black hand, a secret society of Serbian officers that fought for the unification of Serbia. They also killed the Prince of Austro-Hungary and his wife in Sarajevo, which led to WWI. Sarajevo is also an important location for Nod in the games. Kane even appears in the red alert games as a consultant of Stalin. I think it really could be that Kane is an alien that was banished by some alien ruler to earth, and he wants to leave earth through the scrin.
@@peterpeterson4800 The Tacitus was the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve were cast out for taking the Tacitus. Kane wants to rectify this injustice.
@@factfiend1000 Interesting take. The Tacitus has been on earth for a very long time, long before the Tiberium came to earth.
The Tacitus is an orb that holds knowledge, but where did you draw the connection to the fruit of the tree? And Adam and Eve being cast out by God(the Scrin?) would imply that humanity was somehow cast out by the scrin and now Kane wants to return humanity to paradise? In the games it seems like Kane only cares about himself, and is willing to kill thousands and even millions for his own secret goals of luring the scrin to earth and then escaping the planet through their portals.
Tacitus is an old roman name that means "The quiet one", but the name is mostly known for an old roman historian whose books are an important source of information on the time of the roman empire.
"The quiet one" makes sense, because it's hard to decipher the Tacitus, and the connection to an important historical writer implies an ancient origin and great knowledge. I love stuff like this in stories, hidden meanings and references, several layers.
The last message of the Overlord sent a literal chill down my spine and thats when it hit me that this Scrin force was only a harvesting faction. I wish the modders can create custom campaigns and continue the story. Already love most of the custom campaigns: cabal, forgotten, steel talon, zocom..
but isnt the continue of the story "earth loses"
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega
*'Half-Life 2'* already have that covered, so don't worry 😏
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega
*'Half-Life 2'* already have that covered, so don't worry 😏
Steel Talons Rule
wait, custom campaigns? Where can I find those?
I'm pleased that we didn't mentioned THAT THING
THAT THING was published but it does not exist in our hearts.
@@gabrielh7718 What was that "Thing"
@@csar07.Do You Mean Tiberium Twilight?
C&C3 was the last one.
Dawn of War 3 has joined the chat 🥲
Again i have to say, Westwood really put a lot of effort towards the Story in Renegade.
Eventho it wasn't a success in 2002, but damn, Westwood really nailed it.
How i wish theyd continue thsi series
Don't say things like that.
EA might hear you, give us half of another shitty mobile port, disguise it as a full sequel, have the audacity to ask full price for it and then make us pay for a chance to get the left out content...
@@Atsuraelu Don't forget they would also add microtransactions.
@@simbriant fixed
Completely forgot about "surprise mechanics"
I will continue to hope for a game that follows the story of tiberium wars 3 and is built up in exactly the same way from the gameplay. Since tiberium wars 4 never existed.
@@connordavies7503 also, if they make a 4th game, what if, Kabal returns and the forgotten rises arms as well and we can finaly grt all 5 factions as well 😀
A good story for a proper sequel. GDI and NOD have been fully preparing for the Scrin's return both amassing huge military forces. GDI's further advancement in sonic weapons and peace with NOD have helped reclaim even more of the planet from Tiberium. NOD receives a signal from the tower. The day they've both been preparing for is about to arrive. Only this time the 2 former rivals won't be fighting each other. They won't even be on the same world.
Kane and Legion found a way to piggyback on the Scrin's teleportation. Basically when the Scrin initiate the jump, all the NOD forces connected to their link will jump to the coordinates the Scrin are launching their invasion from. *The Ichor Hub*
Now Earth's 2 greatest military powers missions begin.
GDI are tasked with defending the Earth with everything they've got. Earth must not fall.
NOD must seize control of the Ichor Hub and shut down the relay to the Earth invasion fleet and discover the location of the Scrin world and teleport Anti-Tiberium bombs which were created by both NOD & GDI scientists. Which will react with the Tiberium on the planet just like matter and antimatter completely destroying the planet.
But they've identified 3 possible Scrin home planets and they only have 2 bombs. Without anyway of knowing, Kane picks one and Legion the other.
The sudden loss of 2 of their core planets causes the Scrin to panic and all remain off world forces are recalled home.
Legion opens the connection to Earth to allow GDI to travel to the Ichor Hub.
Kane tells GDI we need to create another bomb so we can finish the fight.
GDI informs NOD that after losing 2 planets the Scrin identified the facility where we made the bombs. They then gathered the little scatted forces still in the system and launched a covert attack on the facility destroying it and most of the scientists.
Well then it looks like we're doing this the good old fashion way. Due to their fast surprise counter assault against the Scrin invasion both sides suffered minimal losses.
Enter final mission. The combined invasion of the Scrin home world. Which is very similar to Earth. Tiberium infestation was actually quite low and well maintained.
GDI and NOD defeat the Scrin saving Humanity from the Aliens. NOD stays on the Scrin world which was renamed Kane in honor of the great leader of NOD who is dead for real now. He died smiling knowing GDI agreed to leave the planet to them. then GDI returns to Earth. With the Ichor Hub being jointly owned.
The Human race finally has peace and time for rebuilding. All the suffering is over and both planets experience 2 centuries of economic prosperity and growth. GDI and NOD have stopped fighting... For Now.
Damn that would have been a good game.
Now there is a story for a command and conquer game.
this would be something worth waiting for.
But scrins have more then 3 worlds, they have map for a really big count of the galactics
Kane planned to abandon Earth. In my head canon, he goes to the Scrin home world, leaving GDI and NOD to fend for themselves. NOD and GDI merge under a peace treaty to rebuild Earth. Kane, with his inner circle, conquer the Scrin and return to subjugate Earth once and for all. A brief interlude of doubt and infighting among former NOD leadership leads to a split, with the majority siding with GDI and the others siding with the new NOD/Scrin hybrid force. Kane appears to dominate as he commands a vast cosmic naval force while demanding total surrender. An inner circle betrayal sets Kane back on his heels, and GDI/NOD (now the called Covenant) launches a desperate counter attack on the final tower, setting up a beach head onto the Scrin home world. Kane eventually recovers only to find his Scrin forces in disarray and firing on each other. Covenant send a modified tiberium bomb through the tower, detonates on the other side, and wipes out the home world space command. Without the native Scrin command structure, and Kane’s inner circle either dead or missing, the harvesting operation collapses and widespread communication breakdowns leads to total anarchy among Scrin factions. Covenant quickly destroys the vulnerable Scrin tower and picks off inert Scrin motherships and panicking troops. In the last scene, Kane is seen boarding some alien transport system and leaving the shattered Scrin empire behind, and a weary Covenant to pick off the remaining resources.
Deep in the bowels of Earth, a Scrin/Human hybrid, The Son, awakens to lead a fallen race into a new age.
And then EA went and completely forgot about the Scrin, retconning them out of existence with C&C 4...
Good thing C&C 4 is not canon according to most of the fan base.
You defeated the scrin in command and conquer 3 why would they come back in the next game
@@BigFootTheRealOne, according to canon you defeated a small mining operation. The full might of the Scrin Empire (if that is what it is) is still out there. At the end of the Scrin campaign it was even said, “Prepare a full invasion force.”
@@BigFootTheRealOne The Scrin you killed was just a bunch of harvesters, not the entirety of them.
@@dparky1627 there is a scrin campaign??
@@danhayward3057, yes. You gain access to it after beating the GDI and NOD campaigns in “Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars.”
You deserve so much more credit for this fantastic video
Something I learned about the scrinn after my last playthrough some time ago is that the scrinn infantry are capable of being repaired by facility repair drones
However something is very strange with the command and conquer series that the big reveal follows a similar process as Dead space, first game is the plot device is simple or mundane or singular and we think nothing of it, second game hints at plot device is somethign great, then game 3 has the big reveal
though after game 3 they share a similarity that is EA
I’m sorry, they can be repaired by the drones?!
I can’t believe it was staring me in the face this whole time, despite knowing Scrin infantry are synthorgs.
@@serinahighcomasi2248 Also Scrin "infantry" will not take damage frmo tiberium fields but be repaired by it, infact the scrinn harvester can be repaired by tiberium, also the corrupter (has a tool tip) saids it can heal scrinn infantry.
@@serinahighcomasi2248 Lol its been more than 10 years... Still got a lot to learn I see.
Something I love about CnC franchise is that the Scrin has always existed, it reminds me a lot of Dead space where the Brethen Moons have always existed, just that we didn't know it until the third game.
but shame there is nothing after Kane's wrath.
Also interestingly and more mysteriously, the scrin in combat uses drones, as we never see nor get a glimpse of a Scrin habitant.
Considering that the Scrin invasion was just a mining operation, I really hope that we sometime in the future get to see this actual invasion force showing up. I can already see the huge amount of enemy ships coming out of the tower in a epic but also scary manor, spreading all over italy in what could be hours. I'm pretty sure GDI prepared more against the Scrin, and Kane knew they would return, so he too would have prepared. So not only would this be a full on war of the worlds type of game, it would show the GDI and Nod at first being at a pretty huge disadvantage, but slowly and surely the competent commanders of the GDI and Nod forces would begin to create a stale mate, or perhaps even start to gain more territory against the invasion force.
EA has proven with the CnC Remake that they can still do good with the series, and while I hate EA, I do hope that with the help of Westwood studios, they will slowly revive the Command and Conquer franchise, and bring it back to its old glory, or dare I say it, to a glory this series has never seen before!
Hmm in theory, i wonder how this hyptheical game woud go about destorying a phased out tower As long as that stands the Scrin can just keep sending units.
In one cancelled game, the Scrin had successfully invaded earth but spared its inhabitants.
It was an arena game where Scrin, Human, and Mutants compete in gladiator style matches with their mechs.
That's pretty much the only thing we have as to what happens in the future of the CnC universe.
Hey StringStorm!
I'd play that game!
Wow, I didn't think there was this much lore on the Scrin.
If that was a harvesting force, i imagine a full invasion force to be as strong as a gamma blast, or enough to melt earth.
They want to harvest the tiberium so they won't destroy earth
Just only the living creatures that have the audacity to poke their machine guns at their mining base
*Kane's Wrath ROCKED*
I always like the idea of Global Conquest on PC Kane's Wrath as being the "true" finale of this C&C universe with the victor being the one of your choice.
GDI: Establish ground control and eliminate Nod and Scrin forces for future reclamation efforts.
Nod: Throw the Blue Zone dwellings of the elite into unrest and panic, destroy GDI and fend off the Visitors for the next stage of evolution and ascension.
Scrin: Eradicate remaining indigenous population and construct the remaining threshold towers for planetary extraction.
NOD and GDI would have never stood a chance.
"Luckily " EA eradicated Scrin out of existence...
*sigh*
i miss a real new Command and Conquer with 5 Factions set in the Tib Universe:
GDI; NOD, Scrin, Cabal and the Forgotten!
Just imagine:
Good, Bad, Aliens, Robots and Mutants..
Its called Shattered Paradise, search the github link
@@markshaboabi8513 really? Thanks will do :D
@@DrDrystal github.com/ABrandau/Shattered-Paradise-SDK/releases
EA reduced the faction from the planned 5 to just 3 and then from 3 to just 2 again.
I personally would like a sixth faction as an outgrowth of the cultist in Tiberian Sun: Firestorm.
@@joshg8053 same here. I mean just imagine GDI, NOD, Scrin, Cabaln Robots, the Forgotten Mutants..
But EA was just to cheap and uptight :( as usual
Command and Conquer Renegade is one of my favorite games ever made...I'm so glad you mentioned Havoc finding that alien ship...I remember as kid finding that ship and it's interesting to know...that ship belongs to SCRIN....
I think the Corruptor’s ammo is melted tiberium, which explains why it’s green and can heal scrin units
Liquid tiberium
It’s confirmed to be liquid tiberium
Tiberium juice 🍹
I played C&C 3 and Kanes Wrath; it sent a chill down my spine when I learned the encountered Scrin were just the beginning of their forces. The Scrin if done right in the game can be damn near unstoppable; and god help the player who gets hit by the mothership. The Scrin are the only faction in the game that has two super weapons; the rift generator and the mothership.
So the question becomes and remains; if that was just a small strike force, what on earth is the main force?
As a scrin player, this video pleases me.
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So much information was left out on that cancelled first person CnC game that was supposed to take place after Kane's Wrath. If you want to see what really happened just watch the footage from that.
The Scrin made the worst mistake possible of aliens: don't interrupt the humans when they're busy killing each other, because they'll just team up to kill you instead.
Actually they didn't really even team up then... they still kept shooting at each other just as much.
@@stylesrj
Uh, no, GDI and Nod actually formed a temporary alliance against the Scrin in Tiberium Twilight. So, yes, they did stop shooting one another to kill the Scrin.
@@matchesburn
There is no Tiberium Twilight and also at the end of the Third War, the Scrin were already dead from the lack of Tiberium powering them. Nod and GDI were still bitter enemies
@@stylesrj
"There is no Tiberium Twilight"
...And then there's no Scrin invasion, so your point is invalided. Thanks for playing.
@@matchesburn
Tiberium Twilight is the name of that executive fanfic Westwood was forced to make. Tiberium Wars is CnC3...
2:00 "During the later stages of the first tiberium war, in the late 1990s"
Fun fact: the first tiberium war starts in 2019 and ends around the year 2022.
The First Tiberium War did take place in the late 1990s. Not sure where you got your info from, since even the Second Tiberium War took place in 2030. Unless you're talking about Kane reunifying the Brotherhood of Nod shortly before that, though I don't think the time frame works even then.
@@Worldwideweb1994 check out No Strings Prd's video "when did the first tiberium war start?". He narrows it down to the manual of command and conquer renegade. One of the last games made by Westwood studios.
@@jonahcalahasen2249 Damn, I stand corrected. I did catch that Killian mentioned 2019 in C&C3, could never figure out what she was talking about exactly. I've always wondered how Tiberium spread so quickly in the beginning that Nod became so rich off of it so quickly. This answers that burning question neatly.
So what your saying is Covid is the byproduct of the first Tiberium war.... interesting (jk... or am I)
@@jojobobbubble5688 I wish Tiberium infestation instead, it would be more "visible"
I like how you talked about this without mentioning Tib4. Nice
We do not talk about that one.
There is no Tib4
Scrin are an intergalactic civilization because we see in one of the cutscenes the camera zoom out of the galaxy as if observing it from the outside as well as our galaxy having a serial number rather than a name, with this we can assume they originate othside our galaxy and ours isn't the first they visit
One thing I love about command and conquer is that war events seemed to escalate intensely. From war between nations to war against extraterrestrial beings. Really fascinating... 🙂
You said that the size of the Scrin presence in the galaxy is unknown.
But what about Foreman 371?
Maybe 371 is the number of Earth in the Scrin's 'index' of planets. This means they have 370 other planets, giving us an approximate measure of the size of the Scrin empire...
I think...
Hm..That is actually a good theory. It does, however, go with the assumption that only 1 Foreman is assigned to 1 planet. Or system of planets since the fleet was hibernating in the Solar System. Another thing to keep in mind is that planets are not equal in size. A larger planet would probably need a larger harvesting fleet and therefore, possibly more than 1 Foreman to direct the fleet and said harvesting operations.
@@Jethild You have a good point here. It's really inaccurate to assume that 1 foreman is assigned to each planet.
Maybe planets/solar systems with higher concentrations of Ichor (using the Scrin term here ;)) need a different (not necessarily higher) number of foremen to manage.
Maybe Earth wouldn't actually need a foreman if the Scrin didn't find any resistance and Ichor was mature enough. It would be just a regular harvest.
Again, the lack of information really doesn't help here.
Maybe the number 371 tells us about 371 'things'. Whether it means 371 planets, foremen, solar systems or sectors of some sort...
We don't even know what's the job of the foreman. Is it just management, military or terraforming. Is 'he' needed for the harvest or is he just kept there in case some resistance shows up? We don't know...
Or at least I don't know...
I would imagine it is foremen as you are suggesting, but we dont know if all those other foremen are alive, they might have only say- 100 active foremen given that they arent given designations after the number ex: 374- 50 or 374-c which would indicate he is not the only "374" additionally the lack of scouting they did on earth and the slow funnel of reinforcements and light escort of motherships would imply they dont have force in excess to spare and the message at the end would indicate that they need time to prepare a force to deal with humans
This "Farmers" Actually Used Some Standard Military Equipment.
There Was A Militarist Group With The Mining Operation And A Group Of Conquerors.
I Don't Think Reaper 17 Was Using Mining Equipment.
Nor Was Traveler 59.
They Mostly Used Military Assets
Imagine if Kane hadn't started TW3. GDI would have continued turning yellow zones into blue zones, like Germany, and the Scrin ships might have just been in perpetual hibernation as they waited for a liquid T explosion that would never come.
Gdi wasnt fast enough, the bule zones were growing but the red zones were growing faster, only the yellow zones were shrinking... If TW3 never started humanity would not be ready and on standby with its military presence when the scrin would inevitably come
@@Riimaachan then again GDI developped new tech like sonic weapons against tiverium, who knows what else they could have made with enough time and a budget not busy on defense against Nod?
Also it kinda makes sense for the scrin to await the signal: if it never comes, its that the local species have developped anti-tiberium measures powerful enough to avoid extinction, weaponry that would be deadly against the scrin themselves. Thus, might as well never show up especially as the ressource they want isnt there to be collected, or at least not in interesting amounts.
@@thorveim1174 yeah but at the same time without the war gdi would have never developed those weapons... On top of the fact that most gdi tib research is from nod, including nod secretly funding that reasearch
@@Riimaachan Earth has the Tacitus, which is a wildcard the other harvested planets didn't have. The Tacitus was used to find the resonant frequencies of Tiberium and build the Sonic tools that destroy it. I think yellow and then red zone reclamantion would have been possible.
I always wondered if maybe the Scrin could have completely removed Tiberium from earth if they were allowed to build the towers.
They would, but in the process remove all minerals on earth and basically kill it as just about anything useful would be taken
Like it or not... Kane is the only one who can prepare for second invasion.
Tricking Scrin and gathering their knowledge and technology can be only hope for survival - Kane is damn good at that. :)
14:30
It seems rather convenient that Kane has this entire video log about his plans to lure the Scrin which gives me this scary theory:
He wanted it to be found by the Scrin... AND he said the entire thing in the Scrin's native language.
It's only translated into English for the benefit of the audience...
Nah, that's the briefing he gives to you in the NOD campaign. Kane is definitely not speaking to his commander in an alien language.
@@mjc0961
Ah right... I forgot... it's been a long time since I last played the game :D
arguably the best missions
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Oh nice video bro, was searching for a lore about the scrin, god i hope they revive this entire Command and Conquer and finally give us a scrin invasion instead of that...final sequel which ultimately killed the unkillable messiah (kane) and the cnc universe.
God i really hope the remaster will lead its way to the entire not just the old cnc, but everything and remake or atleast remove/remake a new cnc4, like a better scrin invasion
Glad I could provide the video you needed on the Scrin. And yeah that's why I stop all my C&C lore videos after the events of Kane's Wrath. I know myself and many in the community don't recognize tiberium twilight as canon. So it's just easier to leave it out.
@@Jethild What? tiberium twilight? what is that? an expansion game ?
(Just kidding tho, we dont talk about that forbidden subject. XD There's no such thing as CnC4)
Kane once threw an engineer who created the blueprint of new avatar which have 4 cannon with one of them as its dong into the tiberium pit.
it will probably never happen Joseph David Kucan the actor that played kane have said that he will never work with EA again so we will probably never get a properly done cnc4
@@Jethild cc4 was ea killing the franchise cause they cant do shit to make a good game without mtx
My basic vision for a PROPER follow up to Kane's Wrath:
2nd expansion focused on GDI as they were mopping up Nod's remains, with some cutscenes devoted to making the player feel bad for the poor souls that Kane sent out to die since he openly stated GDI was going to win. After Kane steals the Tacitus, GDI thinks there is another war starting up, but are diverting by the Scrin invasion, giving a level where they hold off the Scrin entering through the Thershold Tower. As the Scrin are entering through a single point they aren't able to take advantage of their numbers the way they expected and GDI slows their advance.
3rd expansion focused on the Scrin. Since GDI is putting up more of a fight than expected, Traveler 59, who was already on the planet in secret, undermines the defenders enough to allow the full invasion force to unload on the planet. Even with weapons built to fight them, GDI can't stop the Scrin, only surviving because after breaking out they went after Kane instead. Kane's base is leveled, but he escapes, of course, with his surviving forces meeting with GDI. Thus the game ends with that same scene shown with Kane making his "proposition" which GDI obviously is in no position to refuse.
The following game does a mix of C&C and more traditional campaigns with some events in all the campaigns are canon, basically acting like a visual novel with different routes over the same events where certain decisions lead to radically different outcomes.
GDI uses the technology from the Tacitus granted by Kane to develop improved anti Scrin weapons, but can't hold out against them forever. Thus we get a desparate use of the Threshold Tower to attack the Scrin on their turf with a plan Kane claims will remove the aliens as a threat by control Ichor Hub. Kane reveals he was an alien whose species who created the Tacitus. In their experiments Tiberium, among those experiments led to it being used as a fuel source for living machines who became the Scrin. Unable to survive without Tiberium, the Scrin began to spread it across different worlds, wiping out their creators and countless others. Kane of course proves treacherous and shows he intends to control the Scrin and rule the universe, leading to a climax that becomes a three way conflict between GDI, Nod and the Scrin as they all fight for control of the hub.
GDI's ending has them finally kill Kane, this time dissecting him to ensure he stays dead. With the Scrin successfully controlled, GDI repurposing them to help finally remove the Tiberium from Earth and began healing the damage it cause. The thought of how much of a mess the Scrin have made of the universe doesn't make exploring space seem very inviting, but GDI figures that they will do so in time, someone has to repair the damage the aliens caused.
Nod's ending has Kane succeed in his backstab of GDI and control the Scrin. He somewhat laments finally winning, the Scrin were a plague on the universe who consumed all they touched, but he actually had some respect for GDI, they in many ways served his purposes better than the brotherhood did. Kane controlling the Scrin doesn't remove their threat however, he continues the same experiments to create new Tiberium based life free from the Scrin's addiction, which calls for more worlds to seeded with the substance, conquered, and harvested, forcing many new worlds to suffer the same fate as Earth as Nod expands across the starts.
The Scrin's ending shows them wipe out GDI and Nod before reducing humanity to fodder for the Scrin war machine. In Kane's final moments he is personally executed by the Overlord, flashing back to the horrors Kane witnessed as the Scrin ravaged his world and for all his efforts, Earth has met the same fate. As will countless other world throughout the universe.
So glad people still cover this kind of thing.
Considering that tiberium landed on earth in 1995, I don't see why the Scrin would have been here much longer then 50 or so years. Otherwise what were they waiting for? I'm not sure life developing would make tiberium better as it leeches just about everything out of the ground. Unless the plant like tiberium from the first and second wars actually does need life or something like that.
Yeah that certainly makes sense. Unless the Scrin sent scout ships out to different solar systems before seeding. But then that would imply they have something closer to light speed travel which they clearly don't seeing as the fleet took a long time just to get to Earth. And I don't think Tiberium necessarily needs life. Just enough ground nutrients seems to be enough. The only continent that lacks any major Tiberium growth is Antarctica. So cold environments appear to be much more resilient to both the plant and crystal forms of it.
@@Jethild Depending on how their portal technology works, they could/should technically have light speed travel, but possibly through static 'stargates' rather then a warp drive of some kind.
Also i just remember tiberium Incursion and tiberium fps both this game has cancel but the plot of tiberium Incursion something like this
*"but it is known that it included the Scrin coming to Earth, lured by the Scrin rebels stealing the Tacitus, The Scrin believed that Tiberium would kill off humans,"*
To support this theory of the Tacitus:
Recording to Westwood Studios originally developed two origins for the device.
*"We had also developed two completely different origins for the Tacitus, and since both stories leveraged that origin, I'm trying to remember what each included. One was centered around the Tacitus being a soul-prison for the leader of the martian force that fought against the Scrin (they knew how to beat the Scrin, but discovered it too late) while the Earth was still primordial, and the other was centered around the Scrin rebels stealing the "bible" of the Scrin -- which may or may not have been written by them in the first place -- and the Scrin Primal's crusade to recover it."*
Both were interesting and had some cool reveals.
@CABAL thx by the way this theory proof correct after all most fans really like this idea if tiberium is comeback
@Miguel Ramos your welcome
If and when they continue this franchise and/or series, I do hope they make an actual C&C 4. The Scrin deserve a comeback.
If someone who know how to make games buy the IP.
We should organize a undercover organization with the sole purpose of making EA bankrupt, can you imagine how many good games would come if EA was forced to sell lots of good IPs they have ?
I for once vote for metaphorically ploding EA offices.
@@monad_tcp It's a fun idea. Don't think that'd actually happen, though. Not without people stopping giving them money in things like FIFA and Madden.
MFW this is the first time I've heard about aliens in C&C, having only played C&C1, the Red Alert series, and Generals.
I really hope they remaster Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 also, TibSun soundtrack and atmosphere is really good!
And Red Alert 2 is... Red Alert 2! :D
Bro, the C&C 3 expansion Kane's Wrath is the best rts game ever imho.
That's because the aliens only exist in the Tiberian continuity. They were hinted to exist as early as the first game where some maps would have a weird-looking UFO-like wreckage on them, not to mention even the opening cutscene questions where the meteor that brought Tiberium to Earth came from. Then in Tiberian Sun you find out Kane has had access to alien technology for years, and even built a spaceship based off it which crashed thanks to a Nod general being a drug addict taking it out for a joyride. That crashed ship is where the name "Scrin" came from since if you hovered your mouse over it, the structure was named "Scrin Ship."
C&C 3 was my introduction to the series- and I love it. Particularly for balance. Every faction has something that will make you scream in frustration. Which is a good thing, don't get me wrong.
@@mikfhan dont forget Generals remaster
If I know anything about portals, its that you might be able to sever the link permanently by sending a massive explosive payload though and detonating it halfway, destabilizing the connection.
Howdy. I have a thing to say about cycles.
A cycle is an actual thing that our sun does ! Basically, every 11 years our sun switches from being more active to less active, then after another 11 it switches again ! Considering the scrin are an advanced interstellar species which most likely can tell when a star changes it's cycle. It's possible that they use cycles based on the star of their destination.
If that is the case then we can calculate that they spent :
21 549 earth years in transit.
101 310 earth years in stasis.
If their cycles are based on their homeworlds years though, we sadly have no way to know how long a scrin cycle lasts.
Thanks for reading my theory, have a nice day.
(also, great series !)
Here's hoping this series is revived someday and Tiberium Twilight is completely retconned.
You can’t retcon something that doesn’t exist
Hey Jethild, you mentioned that Devastator Warships were weak against GDI Firehawks and Nod Banshees, Nod didn't have Banshees in Tib War 3 they had the Venom Gunship and Spectre Bombers. You're thinking of Tiberian Sun, of which I wished they brought back Banshees.
Imagine if whenever you accessed the intelligence database, there was a video available for almost each of the files and this guy explained about them. His voice and the way he describes things suits him perfectly. I wish he was in C&C.
Subscribing right now
I really want to see more of Legion. We never get a 'good guy' ai that stays on the side of its creators.
Seeding planets with a hazardous, powerful mutagenic energy source so that it can be harvested at a later time. Getting some serious Metroid Phason flash-forwards here.
The Scrin should have just asked for the Tiberium. Most Humans don't even want it says I.
Yeah but it's clear they want all of it meaning they'll prefer turning the whole planet into tiberium rather than get some from mankind.
Scrin didn't just want Tiberium. They wanted to turn Earth into a Tiberium Farm.
And as for the reason of "Why don't they do it in other planets like Mars"... Well, maybe the reason for that was that Tiberium needed a Terran type planet like Earth to thrive.
Not only was Kane of interest to the Scrin, but 14:45 notates that they know or have info on him already. Meaning, Kane and the Scrin have crossed paths before, possibly could be the reason why he was exiled or retreated to Earth a long time ago.
Would love to see a continuation of this series since both GDI and NOD have reverse engineered tech and fleets etc. it would be interesting to see them fight a scrum invasion man 🙏🙏 maybe some day 🥺
Not in EA's hands. Not anymore. Let it die and have a "spiritual succesor"
Come-in & Concave done killed off the scrum forces
The fact that these guys are literally just a workforce begs the question: _what the hell would an assault force look like_
I remember the first time I played the Munich mission, the feeling was one that will likely never be replicated again. "It's gone! IT'S ALL GONE!"
If they made an actual sequel I wonder how sick it would actually look like
I love the scrin all their units are so cute, it's like having hundreds of pets
Absolutely loved this video and all of your content in general!! Keep it up mate, currently binge-watching pretty much all your videos ^^
holy cow. that was bad ass. you had my entire attention the whole time 👍
Any chance that you make a video about Yuri's army?
I always loved how creative yuri faction was specialy havibg a psychic unit as the initiate as their basic units.
I love how you just ingnor C$C4 in your videos :D
Loving your videos. Keep it up!
The Scrin are used to reaping the harvest after the total or partial extinction of a species, but when it arrives on earth they do not expect all-out war with a full-powered native force.
Oh how I hope they will continue this series
I always got the impression that Ichor-hub was just a hub area that collected Tiberium. Also, I kind of think that most of their units are drones.
The Scrin mothership is the *real* superweapon of C&C 3.
dude c&c is my life and i consume alot of c&c conntent and let me tell you amazing narrative and prodaction love your stuff whacet all youre vids man make more pls
Excellent video, mate!
... As far as I know... the Alien Ship in Tiberium Sun is not an Alien Ship. Nod apparently constructed this Ship. It's a Nod ship.
Your videos are crazy good
Thanks for the video!! :)
Gods, seeing those concept images of "Tiberium" still fills me with greef, even now, over a decade later...
And to think...... Command and Conquer 4 had the opportunity to explore and flesh out this species, showcase longer, drawn-out conflicts with humanity, and possibly even their homeworld or what Tiberium could mean for the galaxy.
Oh what could've been.
I still ccannot get my head around what EA decided to do with regards to 4, the team who worked on it, & how they could just throw out this extraordinary reveal in the timeline, after 15 years of the game's storyline.
Considering where 3 left off, with 1 tower still standing, & dormant, for kane to do "something" with, to just pretend that never happened & practically destroy the franchise & story by completely changing up the games mechanics.
Myabe they didn't do any of that, I honestly can't remember what the story was in 4, but I remember wondering, what in the fuck have they done, when I looked into it that 1 time.
But, I mean, it was made kindof obvious that these guys seed planets for later harvest, combined with talk of the Ichor hub, heavily implies this is a vast either local cluster or galactic operation, which would mean these bastards are everywhere around us.
So EA had an enemy of gargantuan proportions, tht Kane was wanting to utilise the technology of to become like a god or something, & it was also implied that he's the actual Kane himself from ancient times, oh jesus how could morons at EA shit on this....... An enemy offering insurmountable odds for the payer & humanity to overcome.
Oh I hope they get a do over with part 4, the original team that is, EA did allow unprecedented public influence in the remasters, & release of the source code.
Maybe they'll wake up and realise there is an awesome story just sitting here, unfinnished, copious potnetial just sitting, untapped
It's too bad there was never a continuation to the franchise, I'd have loved to see the story threads laid out across the lore come together. Preferably with a more C&C2 vibe rather than the direction 3 was going.
Not to mention the potential return of cabal as a separate faction.
Yea, there could have been several interesting storylines to explore.
top notch video .
from 1 to 10 , what rank does Scrin get as an alien Invader in sci fi , how are they compare the Vortigaunts or the Combine .
Hmm..not sure. Since the only experience with them in C&C so far is the harvesting force. Though that did do a lot of damage. So an actual invasion force should be pretty destructive. But maybe not on the level of the Combine. Since the combine were able to take over Earth in like 7 hours. So it's unknown whether the Scrin invasion force could do so that quickly. Assuming they aren't defeated again.
Keep in mind the human race in half life was nowhere near as advanced as GDI and Nod are. And looking how much more advanced they became in that dreadful sequel, it's gonna take something very formidable to defeat them. The only military units you see in the harvesting force are the Annihilator Tripod, the Devastator Warship, and the Planetary Assault Carrier, all of which are meant as nothing more than low priority escorts, throw away units to the Scrin. Imagine what their truly capable military assets are capable of if that's just their low security harvest force and grunts. Those 3 units are among the strongest of the Scrin seen so far.
take note that the half life universe they we're not prepared for an all out attack plus the human technology on the half life universe weren't much of a threat compared to GDI ion Weapon and Nod nucleare and stealth technology. Practicality Scrin is much more power full than the combine because the scrin did so much damage to both faction take note that it wasn't even an full scale attack it was just the harvesting division...
@@sawassasin7471 Agreed. Plus that Earth is fully ready for war (cuz it part of Kane plan) when scrin arrive. With that "Just Harvesting Division" make so much damage to GDI and NOD force (even make GDI can't do both destroy threshold19 and relay node at the same time with all GDI arsenal that can penetrate to Nod Temple with ez)
The REAL MVP of this was Kane who prepair Earth for ready to war with race that far beyond Earth ever face lol.
Scrin is overwhelmingly powerful... God knows how many of them are there. The one that invade earth is not even the military sheess
Funny how Ea recon the invasion of scrin for the crap you see in 4. Although kane travelling to the scrin homeworld does seam interesting. Love to see a new c&c4 remake
then, what are scrin exactly? the supervior looks like some kind of x-rayed amoeba/jellyfish. i'm dying to know how their actual race looks like
That's the worst part isn't it?
What GDI and Nod fought was essentially just a scrin mining security force dispatched to eventually harvest Tiberium from Earth once it had done its job and totally converted the planet into solid tiberium essentially. Tiberium is effectively just a "dumb self replicating machine" whose job is to slowly but surely collapse the planetary ecosystem and render the whole planet into an essentially extractable solution (liquid tiberium). for processing into other useful materials.
Scrin that were fought in CNC3 were essentially Scrin AI operating remotely under the constrains of their tasked mission and the forces deployed therein were all effectively robots or (heavily implied to be in some specifics cases) cyborgs. In essence, humanity hasn't remotely encountered actual flesh and blood baseline scrin yet.
Its apparent that the Scrin are, at the very least, a highly extensive interstellar empire with at least hundreds of worlds being at least directly monitored for their progression towards "harvest" by their mining operations; and probably at least that many under their direct control. In effect: the Scrin are terrifying as shit.
oh boy i can't wait for part 4, i hope it will be even better than the third
The fact that the scrin have a file on Kane is juicy. Is Kane an extraterrestial? If so, what are his true motives? Using the scrin protals to go home? Was he aware that earth would become a target for a scrin mining operation in thousands of years in the future and pushed human progress in order to fight them? If so, how and what history do the Scrin have with Kane?
I love these vids man, not too many people like this game
Sad that the Renegade sequel called Tiberium was canceled. It would have given us so much more lore about the Scrin and fleshed out more if their initial invasion.
I do hope EA or whomever will build on this a worthy sequel...
Unless you want highly monetizable mobile crap of a game with p2w mechanics you can forget about it, EA is only interested in making ALL of the money, and since RTS games are not the most popular genre on the market, everything that isn't a shooter/battle royale, sports game, or sims is automaticly not worth the effort for greedy thiefs at EA. Just look up CnC Rivals and you'll get what i mean.
probably modders or fans... EA should just be forgotten;
I always thought that scrin like the gun walker and the planetary assault carrier shoot some kind of energy beams but I just realized that if you look at the explosion it is more like a small ion storm
The scrin were the best thing about C&C 3
I hope if a remake is made we can see the main invasion force show up and get some more info or atleast get a chance to go on a probing raid through the threshold and see where they are
the world needs a live action tiberium wars series/movie trilogy
Humans: We did it! We defeated the Scrin! It was really close, but we did it!
Scrin: Ummm..... you just defeated your equivalent of engineers and rent-a-cops. Oh, and our real military is on their way over!
Note to mention. When GDI attacked the Scrin on their way to earth, the scrin saw it as an attack, became aggressiv and activated the defense mechanism. They never had the intention on attack the Humans. They wanted to harvest the Tiberium.
Well they never knew the humans were still alive since the tiberium explosion is a signal that indicates most of the planet to be covered in tiberium, already killing earth's inhabitants
The scariest thing is all we've seen from the Scrin are a bunch of mall cops
Now you got my attention, child.
The Scrin are terrifying. rift generators are probably a mining tool being used as a weapon.
Is there a difference between blue and green tiberium? I've been curious about this since I first played the game as a kid
In terms of gameplay blue tiberium also known as Tiberium Vinifera generates more credits than green Tiberium which is also known as Tiberium Riparius. Blue tiberium is basically matured green tiberium. It also spreads slower compared to green tib, is more harmful to organic life forms and is fragile compared to green tib. As explosions that detonate near blue tib can cause it to combust and explode, which could cause a chain reaction in a field of the crystal.
@@Jethild
Blue Tiberium has several different names in Tiberian Sun. Vinifera is one such type but I've seen different names as well in some levels. But they're all blue Tiberium.
There's also red Tiberium. Even more rare than blue. You have to look it up on the internet though.
@@Jethild go green just got crystallized.
It's interesting to think how proper Scrin military looks, since the ones sent to Earth were just miners
Yes, if the scrin had sent “military” instead of miners there might have been a different end to the story.
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ps be proud of your lore giving knowledge it really did help me the reaper 17 video did really bloody well but this vid showed just how little we knew about the invaders of our tib infested world
This is good work, KANE will be pleased.
So much potential, I hope the lore would progress..
thank EA for killing that story -.-