Dunlop EP103 Echoplex Delay MXR (plus vs. Echoplex EP-3 & Belle Epoch)
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- 1:51 Echoplex EP-3
2:22 vs. Dunlop
3:10 EP-3 before dirt
3:50 Dunlop before dirt
4:22 EP-3 into Bluesbreaker
4:55 Dunlop into Bluesbreaker
5:28 Belle Epoch into Bluesbreaker
5:53 more comparisons
7:23 in stereo
Great playing of the police. Makes me realize how cool that his playing was.. guess I took it for granted because of it being such a great song.
Bro that was epic, I've watched this vid several times! Not often I put a vid on my surround sound in the living room! The vibe, mood, playing and delay was stellar!
Man, that's super cool to hear. Thanks for relating that.
Your version of Wrapped was Fantastic. Really enjoyed it. Great playing. One Love from NYC.
That's super kind, Michael. Thanks for the good vibes today! Hope you're having a good one!
What a magnificent rendition of that Police song!! Killing it…’
Which one is your favourite ? The Dunlop Echoplex or The Belle Epoch ?
I really liked the sound of the Belle Epoch but the internal preamp trim really changes your overall gain structures. Personally I think if the preamp trim externally it'd make it easier because it wasn't really a set and forget thing for me, it was very dependent on what other drives and boosts etc were on my board.
Very nice ! One of the best comparaison video about the echoplex(s). I finally bought the dunlop echoplex and I use it with catalinbread epoch boost for the preamp. It's amazing, they sounds so nice together.. I can just play one chord and listen the delay for hours. Cheers from France!
Thanks for saying, dude!
This is one hell of a demo. great playing
Thanks so much for saying, Jacob. Really appreciate that. Cheers!
Brendan, stellar playing man. Great review of the echoplex and comparing to the real thing GREAT job! Echoplex really does it for me. The caltlinbred is really good as well. I've been scouring youtube ville for comparisons. 1st of was El Capistan, but price point and pedal board real estate have me leaning to the MXR. Your demo's have put it over the top for me. Inspired playing. keep it up
Great Demo, I have a Belle Epoch and I've repaired an EP-4, I think I will buy the Echoplex pedal as it sounds and behaves a lot more like the real thing than the Belle does. The Belle just doesn't have enough headroom and the mix control is way too sensitive to run in front of an amp for me. Thanks for the great demo!
Thanks, Scott! Not to complicate things, but I’ve rrrealy been enjoying the UAFX Starlight lately. The preamp and tape splices are ridiculously convincing. You get the best DMM emulation I’ve ever played in a pedal as a bonus too. I didn’t get to spend too much time with the Dunlop but would be interesting in comparing them.
Great demo, great playing. Many thanks!
Thanks for saying, Roger!
The Dunlop sounds best to me. It's hard to believe that ppl are voting 5 seconds of low dark echoes from the epoch over the lush sounds of the Dunlop and the old echoplex. Very nice demo... thought is was an advertisement at first.
EGG-ZACKLY. I currently own the Dunlop, the Belle, and an H&K Replex. The Belle E would be great if not for that awful preamp. It sounds boxy, all low mids, no highs or lows. It also gets considerably louder when you turn it on. Call me quazy, but I don't care for it.
The Dunlop is awesome. Nice and bright. I don't use its preamp. I occasionally will use my JOYO Rated Boost to pump up the bottom end, to capture some of the Replex sound. The Replex is the one to beat if you're into preamp sound (it's probably the best delay of the three, overall). It has a tube Echoplex preamp (EP-1) in it. It sounds big (but can be a bit too dark for some things - a problem the Dunlop never has).
Keep in mind too, if you (all of you reading this) use your delay before distortion the darker your delay sound the muddier your sound. Brighter is better. I'm not sure I don't actually prefer my Hardwire delay for that application, because of its brightness.
@@totallyunmemorable I have the Xotic EP boost but frankly haven't put that with the Dunlop on the board yet as I need to make a smaller board for home use as I don't gig much now. There is some confusion as the Dunlop supposedly uses the Echoplex preamp on the "echoes" but not the "dry signal" so does adding an Dunlop EP boost or Xotic (or other ) EP boost before it make it "too preampy". I actually asked Dunlop this and they didn't know.
Brooooo! You make everything sound amazing and enchanted🙌💪 Always a fan
Dude, that's incredibly kind. Thanks so much! And nice tone, yourself!
Brendan Mowat-Smith Yeah man! Shoot, I’m just trying to get on the field🤣
Question, I’m trying to find the best delay closest to an EP-3. I’ve had it all, just about. What’s your absolutely favorite for the high fidelity tones only an EP3 can give? You favorite.?
@@StratTones You said it yourself, only a real one does it. Lately I'm using the Belle Epoch Deluxe but some days I feel I preferred the original.
🤷
Brendan Mowat-Smith Ended up rolling with a NOS Fuchs REP-3. It’s the best I’ve tried
I had some QC issues with their stuff more than once. Hope you fare better than I did!
What a fantastic video.
Super kind. Thanks for saying, Simon.
👌🏻 MXR Echoplex 👌🏻
Majestic playing dude
That's super kind. Thanks for that, Harris!
Smooth Playing of the Police and Great Tones!
Thanks, Rob!
Awesome! Always looking out for your videos man
Man, Brendan, so good!
Dang that's a close one! They all sound great. Belle epoch does it for me tho. New Dunlop is a bit "shimmery" compared to the lo fi quality of the belle. Just depends on which one suits your needs it'd seem
200 bucks for the MXR vs 1800 for the TTE. Add a tap tempo for 30 bucks. The Bello sounds brighter and clearer to my ears but then again I love the tape age feature on the MXR. I would love to have the real deal at home in the studio but for the time being I’ll go with the MXR on my board that rarely gets turned off.
Excellent!
Thanks, Jake!
seems the dunlop's repeats get darker, whereas the original tape echo seems to get thinner and brighter with repeats, until the feedback knob goes up and the repeats get lost in beautiful mud.
Had the Fulltone SS Tape Echo only pedal that comes even close is the Belle Epoch Deluxe by a long shot. Maybe BED better as modulation can be added. Something you can’t easily adjust on the real machines, plus the SS TE practically had no modulation as it was new.
I know this vid and the vid of the Belle Epoch against the Stymon El Cap and the actual echoplex are a a few years old...but I wanted to ask, which pedal ended up on your board and do you still actively use any of them or have you moved on to something diff? Would be awesome to know man, thanks much!
@@BrendanMowat its possible do any tap tempo mod in Belle epoch or something else?? I don’t take one because without tap tempo. I can’t find Deluxe version in my country, only the normal version
I don’t think so, but that’s just a guess.
@@Delayshop The Dunlop has tap tempo.
@@BrendanMowat I moved to the deluxe too. Insanely great and sounds just like my EP3... I have a Line6 Echo park, WOW .. You’d love that too. Also, a TC Electronic Alter Ego X4 Vintage Delay & Looper.. All incredible...
@@jamiemorgan4146 Hey man, thanks for the recommendation! I was lucky enough to have the first AEX4 in Canada, I think. These days I’m really, really enjoying the UAFX Starlight. I gotta edit these old endorsements to reflect my current feelings. Ha.
Wonderfull, I like your playing; do you think that it's better this one or the Catalinbread Belle Epoch?
I feel like the level is up too high on the delay for my taste generally here, but the chorus of "Finger" sounds absolutely gorgeous like this (1:33).
If I would have turned it down there would have been complaints that it was too quiet to illustrate an effect in a gear demo because you can’t win on TH-cam, but thank you.
@@BrendanMowat Point taken. Kind of making me want one of those pedals tbh
The maple fingerboard Strat you're playing...is that an Eric Johnson model ? Also, very nice playing !!
Thanks, John! It is indeed an EJ.
Great technique!
Hey Brendan, as always, awe inspiring playing. What pedal would you say accommodates an EJ type tone better? I understand that tone is turbo subjective, but one would surely be more suitable than the other. I'd love to try one out but New Zealand doesn't have the best stock in terms of pedals. For me, your opinion would be really appreciated as (brown nose warning) I dig your playing! Cheers!
The Echoplex sound great, great playing also!
+Paul Simmons Thanks, Paul!
Nicely done!
Well done! (per usual!)
Such beautiful playing man!
Is the first part up to the 2.20 minute mark just the Echoplex Delay pedal or are you using the Echoplex Preamp in the pedal chain as well?
Thanks, Mike. I appreciate that. It was the Delay, a cab sim pedal, and my old Arion Stereo Chorus.
What a demo!!!! Great!!!! The sound has an very pleasant stereo with extrange like a panning efect. Please, what is it?
Thanks so much, Fernando. There’s a vintage Arion Stereo Chorus pedal on there too. 😉
Wow. Dude. I'm so jealous:) You are really good.
I'm not sure about the the difference between this and say, the MXR Carbon Copy...can you or anyone explain the difference? thanks
Carbon Copy - Analog Drlay (bucket brigade chipset aka "BBD").
Darker, grittier.
EP-103 - Tape Delay (digital emulation of the old Maestro Echoplex EP-3 that used real tape).
Can go from pristine clarity to that classic tape delay modulation ("wow and flutter") that happens when tape gets old.
Very different animals. Get both! I always have one proper analog delay and one tape-style delay (or a straight up digital delay) on the board.
You could do with some nice rugs to break up the blandness of the room. Perhaps a bean bag and even some scatter cushions.
It was recorded direct, but I appreciate the interior decorating suggestions.
Brendan Mowat-Smith ...just when I about to comment how minimalist and clean ur place is....( I own too many cushions rugs and btw pedals ...no cats tho)
I have horrible taste. And cats.
Brendan Mowat-Smith ....quite the contrary ...taste is in tape echoes...and your videos are cinematic delights. Who directs these? Editing ...camera angles....a throw on the couch would be good of course.
Thanks, dude. Just little old me here. Thankfully I moved outta the little place in this video so we’ll see how y’all feel about my current design selections.
Some good advice for anyone thinking of getting this or that has this pedal. Know that it has some special power requirements. You cannot use a 9 volt battery to operate this pedal. You open up the back and there is no battery hookup. It's chalk full of components taking up the space that the battery normally resides in this sized pedal, you know the regular boss, MXR's of the World. The Echoplex was designed for high headroom. While it does operate at 9 volts DC power, not 18 mind you, it runs at 250mA, not 100mA, I repeat not 100maA! This means you must use the cheap adapter that comes with the pedal, or another power supply that has this power rating.
I have the Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2 plus and I spent an hour today figuring out why it wasn't working when I was plugging it in. First it got no power from the Voodoo, but weird it did from the supplied power adapter. I was getting pissed. I was thinking something was wrong with my Voodoo or the pedal. Then I recalled reading the Echoplex manual and there was some weirdness regarding the power requirements. I got the Voodoo manual out and re-read the Echoplex user manual and also did an online search as well, on the Voodoo chatboards. What I discovered today is that you have to use either output 5 or 6 on the Voodoo as these outputs run at 9 volts 250mA, while outputs 1-4 run at 9 volts 100mA. This with the dipswitches in the normal positions.
100mA is normal and sufficient to power most pedals, all of my other pedals as matter of fact, but not the bitchin Echoplex. It runs at 250mA and has higher headroom. I read somewhere that internal components in it actually bump up the 9 volts you supply to 20 volts for high headroom to preserve and keep artifacts from clipping. Nice!. Once I plugged it into output 5 it worked like a charm! Stoked. Pedal sounds so fucking good and I'm ripping up Bytor and the Snowdog and other Rush songs with it.
So just to recap, remember if you can't get the fucker to work it's because you most likely have a power supply running at 100mA and you need 250mA. If you are trying the pedal out at GC or another store, make sure you are using the correct power or it won't get any lights going and or it'll have blinking lights and make a weird pulsating noise basically telling you something is wrong.
I wouldn't advise using batteries on high current digital devices. Ever.
Brendan Mowat-Smith yes that's why you can't use a battery with this pedal
@@BrendanMowat Would a 1-Spot do the job? It's rated at 1700ma *total*
That should do it. 👍🏻
I gotta ask, if you could only have one which one would you have the Dunlop or the Catalinbread?
I only was able to borrow the Dunlop for two days to make this video so it's difficult to make the desert island assessment fairly. Neither of them suck; I can confidently say that. Hopefully I can score one again and maybe revisit this was something more decisive for you.
Ok thanks. I wish the Belle Epoche had a tone control tho. Your channel needs deserves more credit, love the effort and the editing you put into each video.
Which one u prefer dunlop or catalinbread out aside the original echoplex haha
I only had the Dunlop for a day to make this video so I didn’t really get to know it too well, but I really liked the Belle back then. Tough call. They’re both great at different things.
Did you destroy one of your cartridges for that shot at 2:55?
Noooo. I saved an accidentally destroyed cartridge for years for filming tape vids. Still have it. 👍
@@BrendanMowat Excellent.
Try the Belle at 18 volts? true bypass or buffered mod? awesome playing and tones you should record that stuff:) Police stuff sounded great.
Not a fair comparison when the Dunlop is played without the Dunlop Echoplex preamp. That preamp makes all the difference, IMO. When heard together, they are hard to beat. Dunlop probably should have put them together in a single pedal to begin with and they wouldn’t have lost so much business to competitors.
I think Dunlop will survive. Comparing a product with its original namesake is perfectly fair.
@@BrendanMowat You misunderstood my comment. I was NOT referring to comparing the Dunlop EP-3 to the orginal Echoplex tape unit of 60s fame. I was referring to how the Dunlop EP-3 gets compared alone (without the EP-1 Preamp) to the Belle Epoch and the El Capistan. Dunlop made a great demo years ago with the EP-3 and EP-1 in front of it, just like the original Echoplex design. The importance of the original Echoplex preamp was not lost on the designers of the Belle Epoch and El Capistan, either. That’s why, IMO, the EP-3 alone up against 2 other pedals that have that preamp circuit in them, is not an apples to apples comparison. I think the Dunlop EP-3 with the EP-1 in front of it, sounds amazingly close to the original tape unit. In this demo, the EP-3 alone sounds darn good, but add the EP-1 and it’s even way better!
I didn’t misunderstand; I just disagreed with your analysis of the video’s apparent fairness. I’m aware of the preamp or absence thereof in all of the pedals and chose to compare the delay with the repeats on the Echoplex. The El Capistan does not have an EP-style preamp nor is it featured in this video. Also, this video does not claim to analyze preamps or be all encompassing.
I choose the Fulltone SSTE
nice artificial harmonics
Thanks, Paul.
1: Echoplex EP-3
2: Catalinbread Belle Epoch
3: Dunlop EP103