Reaction: Why Goat Format isn't as good as you think it is
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Stevie didn't start playing Yugioh at all until after link monsters came out. Perhaps that helps explain a lot of his opinions.
His video suddenly makes a lot of sense.
i love some links, and don't hate modern 3 turn yugioh, but the "pre synchro bad" people are dumb.
I stopped playing Yugioh a little while after the banlist that took out BLS and the Trinity. I thought I'd never come back to Yugioh after that, but GOAT format was there for me years later and it got me interested in the game again. I play other formats now, including Edison and TeleDAD, but GOAT will always be the core of what Yugioh is about to me and it forever has a hold on my heart.
I don't get him complaining that goat format is "slow" in a video titled "Why Goat Format isn't as good as you think it is". A lot of people stopped playing modern Yu-Gi-Oh because they thought the game was too fast. For many people that would be an upside.
Yh thats right. I also don‘t understand why people call it slow. Just don‘t play chaos or control. Im on Cat Otk and games go hella fast.
I wish you could read your own problem, cant you see "too fast" can be as bad as "too slow" ?
To be fair, most of my goat games so far are some pretty slow, HOWEVER, I only started playing goat yesterday, so take my experience with a heavy grain of salt.
I play Goat Format cuz it's...fun and nostalgic. I don't care whether I win or lose. If I'm having fun and meeting cool people then I already won.
Finally somebody gets it
Isnt the argument the same for the modern format?
Are you a JDZ alt account? Haha
@@UmDevotoHow could the modern format be nostalgic?
Personally, I don't get the point about Heavy Storm and needing to play around its existence. That is great for the game, because we don't get people setting their entire hands every single match.
If a format doesn't have a mass backrow removal spell in these older formats then floodgates would be way more problematic without a threat like heavy
@@redox9161 couldn’t agree more. Nothing healthier for older formats than a solid pool of spell/trap removal cards. Without them it’s not fun.
I agree, its funnier to play when stuff you do in the game feels like a risk, not everything should be smooth and no risk
Its funny how many people have an opinion on the format without actually knowing the format well. Just super basic knowledge on it.
this happens soooo much in my experience people feel very strongly about it and never even played it. Its mind blowing
@@GoatFormat ya it would be like me playing Magic a few times and then being like hmmm let me tell u why it sucks. Like sorry, but u havent put enough time and energy into it to give a review.
the "setting sangan takes skill" meme he made tells you everything about his knowledge and skill in goat format.
I honestly feel a top player could make a video that could be an hour long on when to set what card and why. A lot thought goes into it. If you are just spamming sets you will lose more often. So them meme was really an indicator.
especially considering setting sangan is a total noob move unless u want them to use noc on him because u have a valuable flip in hand or u know they have easy chaos access or u want to bait stuff like mind, exiled, ter, etc
Yep you can tell he has only ever experienced modern Yugioh.
Any player that ever played any format up until early 5Ds will understand setting Sangan is generally not a good idea to do in most cases because of NOC and Sangan is just generally good to poke at life points if your opponent has no monsters with back row present or to run over weak monsters when there’s back row present. No one’s going to Mirror Force, TT or Saku a Sangan unless it’s going to be game over otherwise.
Sangan can absolutely be one of the best offensive cards in the format; it's strong enough to do relevant chip damage, but weak enough that Ops don't want to burn resources killing it.
Okay this comment just straight up misses the point of that meme, he wasn’t making fun of people who play goat, he was making fun of people who say goat format takes tons of skill
Goat isn't perfect and it'll probably get boring if it's the only game you play for a while (as with any other game), but it was arguably YGO's first good, diverse format. The TCG meta was still in its infancy until March of '04 when IOC turned everything upside down and the Chaos Emperor Yata-Lock reigned supreme before the first banlist in August of the same year shut it down, giving way to Chaos supremacy 'til the famed April '05 banlist *happened* to create a solid balance. Prior formats aren't really fun to play, subsequent formats leading up to Edison were less balanced, and Goat is the most comfortable format in which to play "original" YGO. Whenever you're in the mood for that, it fits the bill. This guy might have fun playing Edison, Tengu Plant, or even HAT.
Also another plus for goat format is the collecribility. Today you have to spent 300-500 for the best Meta Deck and after the next banlist the Money is gone. You can buy 'the best' goat Deck for around 40-50 and the Money will probably never be less If you take care of the cards.
Ofc you can buy expensive goat cards and probably the value will never go down because the demand is so high. Like 1st ed BLS, Jinzo etc. Those nostalgic cards are from our childhood and goat format allows us to play with those cards. Younger players who didnt grow up with those cards are not so likely to love goat format.
I want to share my 2-cents on the "Stale Meta" reason. It is true that, because the format has a limited card pool, it is inevitable that the meta would evolve at a glacial pace. However, after play testing a lot of janky decks made from GOAT format card pool and watching a lot of the "lab test" videos, I have come to the conclusion that ANY deck in goat format is viable. Part of the reason is that the "bomb card" gives every deck the option to out your opponent. Every deck has access to Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity to replenish their resource, and access to Snatch Steal or Delinquent Duo to take away the opponent's advantage. Are some decks objectively better than others? Of cause! But that's the same case with ANY games, even modern YuGiOh with its Tier 0 formats. The difference in GOAT is that the power gap between Tiers is surprisingly not that wide.
The reason I can think of as to why everyone is gravitating towards Chaos or Warrior deck are:
1. New players introduced to GOAT format want to try the best deck first.
2. Competitive nature of ANY game would make top tier deck appealing to run in tournaments.
3. Small player pool means less people are willing to experiment or take risks.
Playing jank and trying to exploit the meta is probably some of the most fun you can have in this format it’s truly amazing.
@@GoatFormat it’s so underrated. Play your burn/final countdown/empty jar/reasoning gate/Ben kei/etc. janky deck and keep the meta honest. As annoying as many of those decks are, they keep things fresh, and keep side decks in check. I often run 2 kuriboh and 2 wok in the side specifically to counter OTK or degenerative burn. 3 solemn helps against a lot of other janky stuff like empty jar. Jank is good for the meta plain and simple.
For months a friend and I have been saying wed only play Yugioh again if we played an old school format without all that modern stuff cause we just dont like it. At a card shop yesterday we were told about the goat format and it seems like its exactly what we were looking for
Glad to hear that the word got to you, and welcome to the game!
18:15 alot of the skills that made me a great poker player i learned playing goats back in the day, glad to be back in the mix
"Goat Format is a slow back and forth where individual cards by themselves matter a lot more than huge combo strings."
Yeah, we know, that's the whole point. That's why we play Goat.
I thought that as well lol, he dpesn't get the point that slow matches may be relaxing to some people.
Honestly, Goat Format to me has been the closest in the card game I've ever seen to replicating what duels actually looked like in the anime.... except without all the blatant cheating that happens in the anime of course, but the whole back and forth war between each duelist's cards.
@@lainhikaru5657 Not just more relaxing, but while the games may be a bit slower, the individual turns are much faster.... which you know, means you don't have to wait till your opponent finishes flooding it's field with high level monsters from the extra deck before you finally get to play.
Look, I love the modern faster yugioh, but goat format is also pretty cool, there's merit to both playstyles.
Stevie is cool, but he's shit poster and only started playing Yugioh like 3 years ago lol. I wouldn't take any of his competitive opinions with a grain a salt
I don't think Stevie understands that Yugioh doesn't change. Flood gates, control, aggro/swarm, and FTK/OTK decks make up most of the game, even in modern Yugioh.
I dont think you understand the video, go watch it then comeback
Neat to see different types of content on Goat format! keep up these videos I love all the classic Yu-Gi-Oh! content, anything past GX doesn't remotely interest me, and the Goat Format is what I've been looking to find forever
Welcome to the Goat World check out the discord and the website lots of information there and events happen all the time!
Goat format was the game that I remember playing as a kid. It was the itch I needed scratching after putting it off for years and years. Playing modern is so frustrating with all of its floodgates and hand traps and with how consistent it is, you’re likely to win using very similar if not identical boards. But Goat felt more methodical. There weren’t as many searcher, at least compared to modern, so you have to kinda think on the fly. It feels more accessible and fun than modern format. Complaining about it feeling slow is like watching some Gen Z kid complaining about a lack of loot boxes and micro transactions when playing a ps1 game
I think Stevie is sus, man says he 'hates' Goat format but talks about it all the time.... seems like its the same way your friend 'hated' that girl he secretly had a crush on if ya asks me...
EDIT : 9:21 - 9:32 Dropping Truth Bombs lol
The entire premise is flawed. How does this dude make a video that is admittedly heavily opinion based, filled with false information and sporting a title like this, a title rooted in his absolute self certainty? Goat Format is exactly as good as each individual person thinks it is, to each individual person. It's all rooted in opinion. I'm not usually one to talk trash and I know there are players out there that are better than me, but it sounds to me like this dude has a severe case of "mad cause bad" disorder. Great video JDZ, totally agree with your take on this.
My only knock on goat is dueling book can be hard to navigate at first and when I started a month ago my opponent weren’t very helpful. If we could only get a goat mode in master duel
That would be cool, but unfortunately very unlikely. I would be down if they ever did.
That would be the death of my productivity.
Thrpugh the years I stuck playing mtg only and completly got away from yugioh because the game became too fast and combo-focused, also very complicated and text heavy.
I'm glad this format exists so I can still play yugioh if I ecer want to make a deck again😊
Reason 3 is correct but isn't a bug it's a feature. And which is it, ftks galore or long control mirrors? Which is it?
LOL! yeah I didnt quite understand that point the duelist was trying to make
This is like someone reviewing a movie without ever watching it.
When he complains about cards in a format (heavy storm for example) that force players to make educated and difficult decisions, rather than playing recklessly and without any drawbacks at all, he describes a format completely lacking skill based play and interactions. Compare with todays meta where you dont even have the option to play the game, its an all or nothing format where you go all in and hope it works. No wonder players like this complain about skillful formats, they want to dodge the skill base gameplay of a format that goes past turn 1. Also, how much skill is there really in playing ash blossom when your opponent has no was to play around the card and no way to make a read? Food for thought
Completelly wrong, if you saying in today's meta "you dont have the option to play" i would love to see you playing, can i see your deck?
Ok now that i read your entire comment, everything is wrong but just say which deck do you play
The most fun I have ever had in master duel was doing a tourney between mates using the starter deck. 100 hours and summoning vanillas was better than all of it.
To be fair, Yugioh has technically never actually been good, being that it started off with a bad foundation. It's a sort of half-assed game that they've avoided fixing for years on end. That's not to say there's nothing good about it, though, and nostalgia is obviously important as well.
Finally somebody gets it
Think if you'd ban the bomb cards, it would just make other cards more powerful and create new ones. Trinity is fine.
I do agree with this! Personally I feel the format would be better with not duo and no BLS. -JDZ
The "trinity" isn't the end all be all of the format, I win without drawing any of them when my opp rips all three, it's all about how you play.
There are valid points. I for one like playing different themed decks that aren't chaos just because BLS can make all your good plays irrelevant. That being said, the entirety of yugioh for nearly a decade has mostly been otk vs otk and it doesn't feel good. You watch two people play solitaire for 10 minutes and that is it.
When like 3/4 of the cards are broken. The game is actually fairly balanced.
This reminds me of the saying "if Pot of Greed was @3 now, everyone would use it so it would be balanced". Unless I can't read between the lines of what you said.
@@ManosAlpha I think the point is that in Goat you can recover from your opponent drawing into Pot of Greed or Graceful Charity because the game is still slow enough for you to draw into your own power cards for the crackback
@@ManosAlphaPot of Greed is bad anyways, it doesn't even interact with your opponent going 2nd.
me and my friends play A reverse roatation, we use the current banlist, and all cads except the newest 2 years, it leaves a breathing room to catch up to those cards
this person doesn't like powerful cards but 40 identical cards which build a boss, that is OK to him, even though in its essence is no diffeent from magical library FTK in my opinion. This guy is trolling. Yugioh goat format actually feels like a card game and that makes it fun and interesting. Don't hate that we don't know the five effects on what must be five thousand different cards
The guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. He probabbly got sacked by trinity and than died slowly from the tsuku-ter loop
first turn duo + dustshoot alone basically wins me some games lol. Goat format is a very silly format but also has a lot of mind games. When it's good it's good... When it's bad....ooooohhh boy its bad hahaha
how many times have you won from dustshoot and brain control in edison, Or soul recharge in hat, or Dark armed dragon, or some timely handtrap. Its never going to change sometimes you have the cards and sometimes you don't that is the game the format is immaterial
@@GoatFormatYep, luck is a big part of card games. I personally don't take them too seriously and just try to have fun with them. Duo is the only card I truly hate this format, feels like I either kick my opponent in the balls or they kick me in the balls.
If you haven't already, I recommend watching the MTG creator's take on luck vs. skill. It made me more open minded to luck factors in games. It's called Magic TV: Extra - Dr. Richard Garfield on "Luck Versus Skill"
That's happening in 5% of games at most. That's not nearly enough to win a match, let alone a tournament, and that's before even factoring in the chance of your opponent having serpent, so it's closer to 3% of games if we're being honest. Yeah, it's silly when it happens, but I'd much rather deal with that than the "you literally can't even legally put your cards onto the field lel" BS of modern yugioh.
@@GoatFormatpop off JDZ. Pop the eff right off
Clearly Stevie doesn’t truly understand Yugioh and is just straight up a bad player.
I can imagine though that someone that started playing in the link era is addicted to the whole break my board in the first turn idea and can’t appreciate how great a true back and forth game with opponent is. I guess Stevie loses most games that go beyond turn 2 and 3 because he can’t handle a back and forth game.
Remember, viewers, not to harrass the person who made the original video. Feel free to give them your opinions in the comments of the video, but remember to be civil
Totally agree that people saying Goat is like Chess is totally cringe and that Goat is more similar to Poker.
I'm not a Goat Enjoyer but I've come to dislike it because i heard this phrase too many times,even coming by friends of mine who would say "you're good at macro-plays,not at micro-plays,you wouldn't be good at Goat" just because they lose at Edison or other retro-formats.
Goat is certainly a skilled format but i wouldn't say for sure it's the most skilled.
Since there are less decks than in Edison i think that you can learn the basic correct plays (how to play generally against the various decks) faster than in Edison and you need to focus more on the advanced correct plays (those where yugioh starts feel like a poker game).
Some of my friends shit on Edison Format claiming its a luck based format because they dont do that great there and they're good in Goat,but it's just that they played Goat for so long that they have all the knowledge already,so having to learn how to play vs all the various edison decks and variants isn't easy and make them feel like the format is luck based due to frustration.
Edison has some luck-based startings like going 1st with Hamster set,prodigy+substitoad or black whirlwind+bw but i dont think that goat is free from these kind of starts.
the thing is, that goat can be so fun when played with the intention of being fun. what i mean is, in currect tcg, you can play with a friend your huge combo decks, spend 3 minutes building an unbreakable board, and if the opponent didnt open hand traps you win the game. goat not so much. Ben kei otk is a really bad deck, but still its so fun when you manage to pull out a win with it, after a lot of struggle
I think goat format being like chess comes from traditional goat control mirrors, not hindsight format.
I think chess is just something people default to whenever they want to describe a game as “skillful”. Chess as survived and thrived as a competitive game for as long as it has because there’s not much really like it.
@@ducky36F I would say it also has to do with having the same pieces, current goat format isn't really chess because you could be playing against a variety of decks, but before you'd have maybe 1-3 card difference or exact lists
Trinity and Chaos monsters are def my least fav part about GOAT, I love everything else about it but its still easily my favorite way to play yugioh
Chaos turbo is kind of heavily over represented in topping lists though.
That said if you’re just playing you’ll definitely run into a lot more.
Chess does have a big influence in the creation of the OCG/TCG itself, as well as Tarot and Poker...
If you prefer advanced format that's fine, but comparing Goat to it is insane. It's like comparing Classic World of Warcraft with it's retail counterpart. THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAMES!
The trinity complaints are so overblown. It's actually pretty funny because the people who complain about them don't realize they're just showing their own inexperience with the format.
Honestly I find cards like trunade, ring, snatch, and ojama trio more frustrating to deal with. Trunade just clears the way for too much nonsense to happen, ojama trio is something you can play around some time but the combination of blocking zones to slow down pushes against burn and giving their burn cards more value means there's a lot of situations where you just lose to it. Ring and snatch just let huge pushes happen that can end the game from a life point threshold that isn't something you usually have to worry about.
As good as the trinity is they don't really do anything that's out of line ad to what you should be expected to deal with from any one card. My biggest problem is duo has some sacky games where it makes who went first end up determining the game.
Thanks for making this response. This duelist was either trolling or making fake hot takes for publicity
If BLS was banned how would that change the meta? Also, is the trinity problematic enough to ban?
I think BLS can be played around, a smart player can remove the monsters from the game needed to make chaos monsters. Honestly the only 2 cards I think are busted in goat format are pot and delinquent duo.
the best way to fix goat is to play without the trinity and bls, but the main reason goat isnt as good as people think it is is because as a kid you played recess yugioh and for most people that was around 04-06 and the primary format for that time was goat. so they just play goat, but you werent playing goat back then, you were playing a pile of recess cards, plus goat back then was different, raigeki break and solemn were awful, now every deck plays them and the meta is solved with either chaos or burn. for a format called goat, no goat decks are viable anymore
"if I cant take 30 min in one single turm then I'm getting bored" Dud dis a 2 playr gaem...
Literally the second image or whatever where it's like:
*2 set cards*
"This is Peak Yugioh"
Uh, unironically yes? Better than modern where setting as a mechanic gets barely used at all. Not to mention it's funny to make fun of "Setting Sangan takes skill" when it's literally a format where everyone runs Nobleman of Crossout and certain removal cards. So yes, it unironically takes skill to play around them.
No offense to Stevie but you can absolutely tell he got obliterated in a few duels and started complaining about how he couldn't just completely stop his opponent from making plays on turn 1 with 3 Omni Negates and 2 Omni-Immunes w/3 hand traps in hand.
But the best of the format are his power cards,trinity,bls,mof,snatch steal etc.that makes so many epic comebacks
I don't understand the arguments that "both players have the trinity so it's balanced" or "having the trinity doesn't mean you auto win". Of course. But having them dramatically increases your chances to win because they are free pluses with no downside, and mandatory to include in your deck, and they privilege turbo decks that haev a lot of draw and deck thinning. If we thought that having broken cards was OK because you can still show skill, then why not put the trinity at 3, or bring back chaos emperor dragon etc. I think we should be able to admit that certain cards are unhealthy for the game. That said, people can play whatever they want. It's just not for everyone. I personally dislike those busted cards because I think they heavily limit creative space for other decks to compete.
The game itself is inherently sacky I dont know if there is a format that exist that there are broken things that can happen to make for an unfair game or an un fun experience
Having the trinity doesn't mean you auto win AND having the trinity doesn't "dramatically increase your chances to win". Having 1 or even 2 is not even close to being an auto win, and the fact that the format is SLOW (you know, the other thing people gripe endlessly about) means the opponent actually has a pretty good chance to ALSO draw into their trinity pieces.
Unless you're talking about having ALL THREE in your opening hand, in which case, whoopdefuckindo dude, you just described literally *less than a fraction of a percent* of games (yes, I did the math).
I'm sorry, but your arguments are just trash. Not even trying to be that rude, but jfc it's so obvious that people like this are horrendously inexperienced with the format.
The library ftk isn't played because most people want to enjoy the game they play. While winning most of the time going 1st is fun, it's boring to sit there and play solitaire. It's a very consistent deck. But if it doesn't go 1st it will be an uphill battle.
Id say goat format is alot more interractive than todays formats, like setting up a board with 4+ omni negates, which are often quite strong monsters as well statswise. Sure, some decks might be able to push through even that, but most cannot, atleast in goat format you get to do something, unless of course they have the out to every single card you play, im yapping at this point, but you get what I mean
we feel the magic they dont
some know the vibes some dont and that is okay!
Stevie is a muggle.
Does anybody knows what deck does this guy plays?
Meh the format is fine, but is not really very diverse I can think in 4 decks maybe actually viable; Warriors, Chaos, Goat control and (some) burn, anything else is not consistent enough or powerful enough to compete, this does not mean that the format is a tier zero or anything, is one of the most popular for a reason (maybe too much but is not bad by any means) I mean four-ish viable decks with some space for rough decks to be cute once in a while is as good as it gets for Yugioh, the format also is as solved as something like this can get, to the point that decks basically adjust themselves to the amount to chaos running around, since chaos is almost ubiquitous, you see a lot of warriors decks, and if you a lot of warriors decks then goat control can exist to counter that, and every rouge deck or variation is just responding at witch one of the tree decks is more likely to encounter while trying to account at least some what for the other two, that is the most centralize non-tier zero format that can be.
People act like changing Break for blast is some super innovation but is not, if that is the difference between two chaos decks they are the same deck is not that complicated, also there is some aspect of skill to the format, certainly a lot more that the: lets put 4 negates on the field of modern yugioh, but Goat is also really, really sacky is not uncommon for people to throw Greed, then thunder, then graceful and finally Duo you for good measure and I am sorry but just surrender at that point is perfectly justifiable specially if you don't draw or lost your own OP cards.
Not only that cards like BL and heavy storm are so powerful that warp the meta around them, and with that many staples and cards like those the decks are not really that different, plus the priority rules of that format make those cards even worse, there is plenty to love about goat, the gameplay is simple, on ladder or casual play you can be very cheeky and still win at least enough to not feel like you are throwing, the mirrors while obnoxious and way over played are very skillful.
I like goat but I think is over rated in the sense that is not more balanced or skillful that other formats where more or less the same amount of decks where viable, is fine if for subjective reasons you think that Goat is the best yugioh format, and well of the retro formats is the most numerous for now, but is not that complex better that other periods of relative balance in the game.
Goat has its fair share of problems, but so does literally every format afterwards. Edison is 70% luck, tenguplant also isnt that much better and less forgiving in bricking than goat is. Hat has the Hands and Artifacts as well as 3 soul charge making it extremely sacky and restricting a lot of decks from being viable and vegas format may be one of the best formats out there in terms of vible decks as well as banlist and cardpool, but it still doesnt require much skill in most situations as there are no heavy storm and the amount of backrow/extra deck monsters you can make make it so you often just try to not let each other play with your backrow and the first one that runs out of backrow loses due to the other gaining card advantage you cant keep up with. Of course there are also decks like mermail or spellbooks that arent that bothered by backrow, but those have their own share of problems
I personally think Vegas is better than HAT, too bad it's not as popular
I find it a little funny he complained about “sacky” or “lucky” cards but modern has bomb cards like every single hand trap that’s literally just sacky play style to prevent your opponent from playing.
The thing is there's a ton of different options for counter play, and modern decks are designed to be able to play into interaction very well. Some formats are worse about this than others, but in general you're not really losing to individual cards at a high level of play at the game.
A lot of skill is about making lines and building your deck to not be completely blown out by the 2 card hand trap combos you're likely to face, but a lot of times that just means trying to make an awkward board and winning in the scuffed position you find yourself in.
I think you are being a bit disingenuous when you are listing "playable decks". Although I agree 3 is far off, the actual competitive decks is very limited and even within that, many play the same/similar engines (chaos mostly) and swap out for personal tech/play style. The reality is, true innovation has been significantly halted since its rise around covid, and the probability that you will play against a chaos variant is very high in multiple rounds of the event.
Ash BLOSSOM exists and negates 90% of the game. End of discussion. Nothing is more broken then that free solemn judgement
It’s one card that is a hard once per turn. If you’re deck is losing to a single Ash Blossom, then you’re just bad at deck building.
Also, you do realize that Ash is not restricted to one player, right?
@@donjuan6996 its the concept. It promotes degeneracy. Your argument doesnt justify it. Also " if you deck loses to maxx c....," not an arguement. Searching does not win or lose the game as nobody is searching exodia...its spamming monsters thats game ending. In some cases spamming traps, but still, ash is unnessary just hit the spamming aspect. Droll is a more fair version of ash to begin with.
@@esekay3648 “It promotes degeneracy.” In what way? Do you just want people to not play hand traps anymore and let people pop off more than they already do? Hand traps have become a mainstay in competitive Yugioh for a long time now.
@@donjuan6996 yes you explain it very well ,it true and ygo has been dying for a long time because of that degeneracy. Most people say they dislike the game state. Handtraps are a big reason for that.
Pops offs is nothing , boards can be broken , thats the part of the game of the game thats fun.
Ash only represents a bigger problem with the game and until people can see how ash warped the game , the game will not get better
@@esekay3648 You are really ignorant and close minded you know that right? The game was already heading towards a downward spiral long before Ash was introduced to the game.
The problem was Konami speeding the game up way too fast. Dragon Rulers, Nekroz and PePe were all degenerate era’s in Yugioh and Ash hadn’t existed at that point. Even when Ash came out it wasn’t highly played because it was not as good as people think.
The game has way more issues than simple hand traps like Ash that don’t do much most of the time.
So this guy's entire account is making reaction videos where he disagrees with youtubers for outreach. He doesnt actually afd anything of value.
Ahhh that makes a lot more sense now thanks for the heads up
There *are* reasons to complain about goat and it might even be a little overhyped but this aint it.
Goat format isn't perfect but the people who play it are having fun. Let them have fun.
maybe it used to be over hyped but its really not hyped at all anymore. And believe me the people who play goat the most are the ones that complain about it so we know the issues the game has. But my point is if you dont like it or its not for you, dont do it there are so many other things you can do with your time.
B A S E D 🐐 thanks jdz
Pippo is the true GOAT -JDZ
I feel like dustshoot is really hurting the game as well, at least as much as duo
The video being reacted to can be completely ignored considering that modern yugioh is like, you win on turn 1 or lose by being locked out.
But no, this guy is angry because anyone can use PoG and Duo. Whoopdie fucking doo.
Goat format is awesome
But some games can feel super sacky
Almost ever format has some downside to it.
I hear this alot to and its true to all formats. Yugioh is itself inherently sacky. I just think in goats you get sacked in 4k ultra high res if that makes sense so it feels worst sometimes
this. edison is a lot less sackier tbh, also in goat format there are more toxic decks you aren't having fun playing against like burn or dmoc turbo...
Long live goats
I partially agree with this rant Video. If you play goat in a competitive environment it is super boring: 90% of the Decks are either a variation of Chaos, Burn Decks or OTK (be it Reasoning-Gate or Stein). It is truly boring af. I personally play goat format in a cuasual way with a friends group and we have all sorts of wacky Decks and it is a blast.
I can for sure respect that. But any format in a super try hard capacity gets that way. Goat format is at its best with friends
@@GoatFormat 100% agree
Nah Goat is way more fun than modern Yugioh.
Very sad to see don't call me the n word in the comments.
Fuck the hate.
Thanks for the content.
I think the video is mostly correct but I play goat once in a while for this style of gameplay. It's a fine format but not my favorite
in what ways is it correct?
Thats awesome either way im glad you can come and spend some time with the format and go back to your format of choice!
@@GoatFormat also love how you kept a respectful and understanding tone throughout even when you definitely disagreed. Well done video and I def came around on a few point you advocated for
I think goat format would be slightly better if the ban list was tweaked a bit
Definately. He is right in Duo being retarded (or atleast being easily able to be retarded) and BLS being absolutely format defining. If those two were banned the format would be a whole lot more fun, obviously there is also a lot more stuff you could argue about, like cold wave ans trunade, but BLS and duo cant be argued about.
@@Tools-yt4skMany formats would be better if the ban list was changed
Stevie Blunder has bad opinion in general
Guess we shouldn’t be surprised. It’s in the name.
I got back into yugioh 3months ago thanks to goat format, after a 7year leave. Im a very competitive player, the matches are all chaos, warriors, chaos control, burn, reasoning gate. The meta is boring. Which is why I will be starting to play edison in a bit
Its not hard, simply just confirm no backrow,summon sangan ,creature swap ,go for attack and get his effect when he goes to your graveyard, if you have ultimate offering activated, even better
Wow, just seeing this video now? You gotta search goat format on TH-cam more lol
i definitely think there are better formats than goat format. there are too many staples, to the extent that i'd argue the staples are the core of every deck. it's not a good format for deck builders. it's a good format for people who enjoy dueling more than deck building. deck builders paradise is more '07--12.
edit: also the elitist. the ones who are convinced it's the best format just because they've put themselves in an echo chamber that tells them it's the best format.
edit 2: restating the elitist viewpoint. read further below. the disagreements with these post read the same way as reddit posts. misappropriating terms, assumptions, opinions, and misallocating discussion points.
apparently it must be said, i do think it's a pretty good format, i just don't find it the best because it isn't deck builder focused.
Edison is fun, I actually really like teledad format too
@@jakesteel2423 those are two of my favorite too. edison is great for deck builders, a lot of options there. teledad mirror is probably my favorite mirror of all time. '11-'12 are probably my two favorite years overall. a lot of that was because it's when i had the most competitive success playing monster mash variants (NEVER otk based, those are stupid)
What are you talking about? Most decks played today werent even around when Goat Format was around originally. Most decks today are either completely new or were heavily changed decks from the past. Every year a new deck emerges that the format has never seen before. To say otherwise is just nonsense. Also every format has staple cards thats just yugioh.
Rarely will you find people that Only play goat format. most duelist play goat in addition to other things! the formats you named are awesome in there own ways
@@exiledknight3961 i have no idea what the first part of your post is referring to. goat has more staples than other formats. period. there are like, what, ~20 cards that pretty much every goat deck runs, barring degenerate decks? this isn't a point of debate, it's just a factual statement. it's fine if you don't mind that, i don't care, it's just not my preference. i still like goat fairly well, but it's not my favorite format because it isn't deck builder friendly.
your feelings really got hurt
goat format is just bad admit it guys, pot of greed into graceful into duo doesn't take skills
I used to Yata people like you.
@@malcontender6319 No you didn't kid
Edison fanboys love to yap
What is this about Library FTK not working due to a glitch?
14:08 a note, he claims HIS FEELINGS as the most objective reason. This was when I clicked off his video, and how I found you. You're... calmer, than I am.
fyi feelings are definitionally subjective, so its his least objective reason.
ive only played a little goat but ive enjoyed it. My main formats were 2014-5 (Forget the name, I played final countdown freeze anyway since im evil). yugi/kaiba 2002, and master duel.
The game has the same core as it did back then. The games are similar than you think. Say in goats u gotta look out for mf, much like in advanced you got to look out for cards like ash
This duelist is way too wrong by just comparing the 2 formats as if they were the same game, thats hilarious coz old yugioh is 100% another total game than the shit yugioh we c these days.
The only thing he has point is PoG , Duo, BLS, i personally don't like these cards either. Graceful or not always strong for example i mean it's not bad but not game winning on it's own most of the time. Duo is not always that great either (i just hate the card) if you draw it late game can be really dead card or if opponent has Sinister than you need to be really lucky to rip a good card or you just played 1000 LP for a one for one which is bad.
Duo feels a lot worse too when Chaos Turbo is popular and/or Thunder Dragons and Night Assailants are everywhere.