Obviously people here are either blind or just simply simping Keone way too much. Keone started strong but after the front and side poses it was over for him. And also Martin is great. I guess it's a matter of perspective: had it been Derek vs Martin everybody would praise Martin.
You mis-sized Keone, he's like 5'5, Martin was notably taller than Derek on stage at the Olympia for a good reference. Father Fitzwater wins this one for sure.
This match up between Keone and Martin (with photos of each taken from this past Olympia) is THE BEST "What If" match up of the year (2024). Keone stated in an interview a couple months ago that if he'd competed in the Open Men's BB Divsion at the 2024 Mr Olympia, then he would have placed Top 3. And this video pretty much proves Keone's point. I don't think he'd beaten Martin, but I do think he'd had placed ahead of Andrew Jacked.
@royenkenneth4014 martin is young he's only 25-26 those details will come when he reach muscle maturity in his 30s. He'll never be like Phil just to be clear so please don't be butt hurt
Mark I think all the bodybuilding media for some reason insisting that Derek is 5’7” is what has people confused on sizing. Because Martin was clearly taller at the O. Keon might go down as an all time great before it’s over. This was good.
@Michael-g9i me too bro. Dorians back is also overrated in my opinion. Sure he's got very dry probaby the driest back of all time but he lacks overall width and thickness in his lats and it doesn't look aesthetic or appealing at all. I'd take phil or Ronnie's back all day everyday
Hard to call.... Both of these guys are awesome! The only thing that's a little off is Keone abs and thigh.... His abs in particular are spreading. Not sure what that is. Genetic??? But by far this is one of the best comparisons!
@@Mmmm-lx9vb Tbh, they look the same size to me. Idk how, I know Keone is beat by dozens of lbs, but volume wise they look similar. Edit: Might be a sizing thing. I think Martin is a touch taller than Keone, but he is sized a touch shorter in alot of the shots here. Idk.
1st pose Keone has better calf muscle inserts, maybe a little rounder lats, better bicep peaks... and Keones front lat spread is crazy good. Enough said there. The front lat spread isn't even close... (if they were the same size)
Arnold (early Olympias) Haney, Ronnie, heath, ramy, Rhoden, hadi, derek have all had massive quad to calves, it's clear the judges don't care about calves much, because they want Mr Olympia for photoshoots and you just never see the calves
@@qwikscopez6619 that and calves just don’t matter that much for an aesthetic physique. No one in their right mind would choose big calves over 3D delts, a full chest and huge arms. Anyone who claims they would is lying.
@@JohnDoe-id5ih they’re a “nice to have” muscle. No one’s making headlines from good calves alone, whereas many people are successful bodybuilder/fitness influencers without good calves at all.
Everybody peeling a banana upside down because they saw a gorilla do it in a video. "Monkeys would know, so I'll do it too." They also fling their feces. They would know. Do you do that too? Also, Fitzwater is better, but I much prefer Keone.
I love this comparison! Keone is a genetic freak. I had ahead in front double, front lat, side tri even at this size. The back shots are closer than I thought. His ab/thigh is terrible unfortunately. I think he should pose another way. With 20 lbs I believe we would have a new open mr o
Not everyone with a lack of separation in the arms is using sights. I have a very similar look where everything on my physique is cut and separated except my arms. Martins arms actually look harder and grainier than Keene’s even if less separated. Not saying he isn’t on SEOs but you can’t tell from that fact alone.
Keon edges him on condition and genetic shape. Keon is so developed and proportioned if he put on another 10 pounds of lean mass martin cannot touch him no longer and he's right in contention with hadi derek samson and jacked/walker for the top 6
Conditioning seems pretty even to me, i actually think Martin displays a bit more hardness and vascularity, specially from the side and in the most muscular, has a sharper midsection and displays just as much detail and separation as keone, could be the lighting though.
Keon has NO chance. Has more extended stomach than Martin and he has 40lbs on him not to mention Keon has weird abs that’s why he hits the side ab and leg shot. Guess it fits with Keons weird shaped chest tho. Can’t change that.
Obviously people here are either blind or just simply simping Keone way too much. Keone started strong but after the front and side poses it was over for him.
And also Martin is great. I guess it's a matter of perspective: had it been Derek vs Martin everybody would praise Martin.
Fitz leans back to far on back double makes it hard to see the detail
Martin is awesome. He was the breakout star last year, and has so much potential. And he seems like such a cool dude too.
Martin can open up more in that Front lat. His left shoulder is too internally rotated.
You mis-sized Keone, he's like 5'5, Martin was notably taller than Derek on stage at the Olympia for a good reference. Father Fitzwater wins this one for sure.
Keone has like two really good poses, the rest of him is mid honestly
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This match up between Keone and Martin (with photos of each taken from this past Olympia) is THE BEST "What If" match up of the year (2024).
Keone stated in an interview a couple months ago that if he'd competed in the Open Men's BB Divsion at the 2024 Mr Olympia, then he would have placed Top 3.
And this video pretty much proves Keone's point. I don't think he'd beaten Martin, but I do think he'd had placed ahead of Andrew Jacked.
Martin Is almost like phil just significantly less bubbly less dense
Phils got a lot of detail in his arms and side leg, martins got none of that
@royenkenneth4014 martin is young he's only 25-26 those details will come when he reach muscle maturity in his 30s. He'll never be like Phil just to be clear so please don't be butt hurt
Keone with 50-60 pounds of muscles piled on is Game Over for everyone. Especially on his back
Yeah bro just "add 60 dry pounds of muscle" and he should be golden lol
@ I didn't say he could do it tomorrow. Derek Lunsford did it, so it can be done.
Mark I think all the bodybuilding media for some reason insisting that Derek is 5’7” is what has people confused on sizing. Because Martin was clearly taller at the O.
Keon might go down as an all time great before it’s over. This was good.
I like Keon in 212 I don’t wanna see more short guys in open
It makes no sense for him to move now anyways, he has 12 pounds of room to grow
Keone if you’re reading this I love you
Hot take : Dorian's front lats spread is overrated.
Keone or cbum can compete or even better than dorian's
Dorian is overrated in general in my opinion
@Michael-g9i me too bro. Dorians back is also overrated in my opinion. Sure he's got very dry probaby the driest back of all time but he lacks overall width and thickness in his lats and it doesn't look aesthetic or appealing at all. I'd take phil or Ronnie's back all day everyday
TheeeeeeeiS is IT
Hard to call.... Both of these guys are awesome! The only thing that's a little off is Keone abs and thigh.... His abs in particular are spreading. Not sure what that is. Genetic??? But by far this is one of the best comparisons!
Keone got the potential to be the goat in bb, period.
Martin is grainier but that's probably the only thing I'd give em.
He is also bigger, and size and conditioning happen to be pretty damn important in this sport lol
@@Mmmm-lx9vb Tbh, they look the same size to me. Idk how, I know Keone is beat by dozens of lbs, but volume wise they look similar.
Edit: Might be a sizing thing. I think Martin is a touch taller than Keone, but he is sized a touch shorter in alot of the shots here. Idk.
1st pose Keone has better calf muscle inserts, maybe a little rounder lats, better bicep peaks... and Keones front lat spread is crazy good. Enough said there. The front lat spread isn't even close... (if they were the same size)
Martin got some mobility issues must be for sure on that lat spread. I hope he fixes it and can hit it properly would look proper.
Keone is the best bodybuilder. He beats everyone, everyone.
Martin is better to me. Yeah, Keone has the width but that's abt it
Keon doesn't need to be bigger to win. He is already a big guy for his height. I f he get bigger he will just ruin his physique.
I keep having to mention that hw still has 12 pounds of room before using weight cap....that's a lot of room.
The next IFBB competitor to focus on calves will be rewarded. True classic BB includes calves. Anyone lacking should not place top 3.
his posing is still a bit off, every pose could definitely be much better, leaning back too much on the back poses and his side tricep could be better
Arnold (early Olympias) Haney, Ronnie, heath, ramy, Rhoden, hadi, derek have all had massive quad to calves, it's clear the judges don't care about calves much, because they want Mr Olympia for photoshoots and you just never see the calves
@@qwikscopez6619 that and calves just don’t matter that much for an aesthetic physique. No one in their right mind would choose big calves over 3D delts, a full chest and huge arms. Anyone who claims they would is lying.
@@thandosocikwa
They complete the physique. It looks strange without it
@@JohnDoe-id5ih they’re a “nice to have” muscle. No one’s making headlines from good calves alone, whereas many people are successful bodybuilder/fitness influencers without good calves at all.
They were actually training partners
Martin by a hair... but holy canoli McFoley do they have quite the similarities baby please.
2:21 keon still has 12 pounds of room in the 212 division, 12 pounds is so much.
can you do James hollingshead AC 2024 vs Derek Lunsford Olympia 2024?
Gustavo Badell 04 vs Derek Lunsford 2024
Martin leans really far back in the rear double, hard to judge the back
Everybody peeling a banana upside down because they saw a gorilla do it in a video. "Monkeys would know, so I'll do it too." They also fling their feces. They would know. Do you do that too?
Also, Fitzwater is better, but I much prefer Keone.
Keone will not lose. Martian, you’re amazing, but keone is coming for blood
Keone is 5'5 Martin is around 5'7
Martin is barely out of the oven still fresh plenty of room to grow. I wouldn't say the same for keone. His been around a bit
Keone has that Phil Heath issue going on.
Goodvito vs keone
Martin wins, but give Keone +15 lbs and it will be a battle
Wish Keone would fix that gut.
Keone's ab split ruins it for me. Just a weird-looking midsection.
Genetics vs. Fillers
Most if not all use site injections. Keon needs some filters in that chest tho
Its not even close.
Keone is beating Fitz period
Martin has one leg two times the other, just saying
Martin wins by far. Keone is too small and too short to ever win the Mr O
I love this comparison! Keone is a genetic freak. I had ahead in front double, front lat, side tri even at this size. The back shots are closer than I thought. His ab/thigh is terrible unfortunately. I think he should pose another way. With 20 lbs I believe we would have a new open mr o
You think the judges would put 5'5 Keone ahead of 5'11 Samson? If that happens open bodybuilding shouldn't be a thing anymore..
@@dingledingle6896 Derek/Hadi were beating Samson previous to this yr. Totally possible
@ Keone is shorter than Derek and Hadi. He’d look like a small child next to Samson.
When you have to smaller/shorter guys i think its a fair comparison. rather open or 212..All good..Im more a fan of Martin.
Nick Crushes these wanna be's😁
Really not a fan of Martins physique with his puffed up synthol biceps! Keone easy win
Not everyone with a lack of separation in the arms is using sights. I have a very similar look where everything on my physique is cut and separated except my arms. Martins arms actually look harder and grainier than Keene’s even if less separated. Not saying he isn’t on SEOs but you can’t tell from that fact alone.
Yeah same for me. The separation in my biceps isn’t there. My biceps are big just not separated. Martins have been like that his whole career
Marx you would have twice as many subscribers if stopped acting so silly everything isn't a joke.
On the other hand, this is what makes him unique. He found his voice (many voices, in fact 😅), and I think he should stick to it.
I disagree
Marx isn’t a cookie cutter.
Keone all the way his way to beautiful
Keon edges him on condition and genetic shape. Keon is so developed and proportioned if he put on another 10 pounds of lean mass martin cannot touch him no longer and he's right in contention with hadi derek samson and jacked/walker for the top 6
Conditioning seems pretty even to me, i actually think Martin displays a bit more hardness and vascularity, specially from the side and in the most muscular, has a sharper midsection and displays just as much detail and separation as keone, could be the lighting though.
Keon has NO chance. Has more extended stomach than Martin and he has 40lbs on him not to mention Keon has weird abs that’s why he hits the side ab and leg shot. Guess it fits with Keons weird shaped chest tho. Can’t change that.
Look at keons pics with 20lbs on him he’s blown out with no lines at all. Good thing your no judge
@@Hotwaterheater43extended stomach lol