It has taken me awhile to make this, but I knew that it was necessary. Rinascita needed to be talked about in great detail. And while I don't typically do videos like this, I feel that the time I've spent with WuWa has warranted a video of this nature. This update has been an incredible time.
Aggree with everything you said in this vid. For me, Huanglong was so boring looking with black, gray and white, and the music was subpar (I began to cringe every time the battle music started), I went on as the battle mechanics were so interesting and engaging. Now it's damn good on almost every aspect, I just want to ditch Abby to a deep canyon, don't want other Paimon yapping there with equal appetite but with more snarky comments. Abby is not as bad, but plz no more.
@@ilari90 I never had too much of an issue with the music of the 1.X updates; it just felt a little all over the place. Rinascita's music feels more cohesive in style.
@@ilari90 Jinzhou is pretty, but it's pretty based on graphical fidelity alone in many places. Rinascita is pretty in aesthetics as well as graphical fidelity.
It really does show that Kuro understands that they are making a "game" before making a profit or anything else. If the game is good, then the profits will handle themselves in time. The only other gacha that I have played that does this, too, is Infinity Nikki. That also feels like a game first and then a gacha second.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG i agree. i genuinely have never felt compelled to spend money because the baseline of it felt so complete already. any money i will spend (i probably will) is because i feel the game deserves my support. i currently have over 150 pulls because i never felt FOMO over the "big thing" per patch. infinity nikki and wuthering waves have truly stirred the mobile game scene.
Maybe not many peoples will watch this video, but i did buddy. It was astonishingly good and i woul'd like to tell you that it moved me a little. It was great time watching this. Thank you for your efforts
Haha, thanks. Yeah, I don't expect many people to watch anything that I make. Every upload somehow is followed by people unsubscribing, lol (it's a vanity number, so it doesn't mean much). But I felt a need to make this about Rinascita, so I'm glad that someone likes it.
The power of feedbacks really makes Rinascita thrives. I think one of the biggest reason it makes noticable leap in quality than before despite relying on feedbacks too was cuz right now only those who stayed for the game are giving feedbacks, whereas back then the feedbacks were all over the place and the team was trying too hard to please everybody.
I actually think Riniscita is mostly made on feedback from CBT2 not launch. Kuro even said around a month ago that they just started making the first area made with player feedback from launch. In fact only a month or two is not really enough time to develop everything in 2.0. I do think they had to have started Riniscita's development either before launch or at launch. In fact I think flying is a result of the feedback in CBT2 that gliding wasn't fast enough. I'll be very curious to see with the next major update how much more changes.
Interesting note, on the Montelli and Fisalia situation; Carlotta's story quest actually showcases that, whilst the Montellis' are mostly "good," they are not *all* good people. It is a family whom came into power with good intentions, but which has grown large enough that a fair share simply don't agree with what those 'good intentions' should be anymore.
If you are talking about the motivations of the main antagonist in Carlotta's story, then he is more about taking the "safe, content" route, giving into luxury, vs pioneering for the benefit of all than he is about showcasing the darker side of mafia families. Sure, to some extent, it's there, but it's too isolated. The issue is that he is just the one-off. The family, as a whole, as you even mention, has "good intentions." That just isn't how mafia families work. I still enjoyed the story quest, but I did think that they over-simplified what would otherwise have been the potential for a very nuanced Character and character quest.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG while I absolutely agree with you, 2.0 was NOT the time to introduce a nuanced story like it, it had to be simple, flashy, and most importantly, well executed (like DMC3 story if you have played that). Kuro could not afford to pull a hoyo with their awful stories and storytelling.
@@devildante9 I don't think that a nuanced story would inherently be bad. But yes, execution is key here. No matter what kind of story is created, if the execution in telling it is off, then it won't be successful.
I just finished the main story and I gotta say, everything about this analysis is spot on. Although a little bit of rover simping was seen it wasn't so much that it became the focus. I loved the setting of Rinascita, the music, the landscapes, the exploration with flying, the echoes. All amazing. Kuro really put their heart into this one. I usually hate gacha companies in general but this one is trying to make me like them the right way. The level of detail in design and world building this update gave me the same feeling I got when playing Witcher 3.
I have heard a few people compare this to The Witcher 3. There might be some similarities between Rinascita and the Blood & Wine DLC. And yeah, there was some pushing of Rover x Carlotta, but it wasn't really enough to disrupt the story or become too distracting. As long as they keep it to a minimum, I'm happy.
I think the Rover simping is more warranted now because of his past deeds and besides the only person who did that is Carlotta and it was most definitely flirting
@arminkir9389 The Rover simping is an interesting thing to look at. I, actually, don't really see it as much as a lot of other players do. I really only saw it in Yangyang, Shorekeeper, and Camellya in the 1.X sections. Shorekeeper makes sense, though. Rover teaches her how to feel and process emotions, so it's natural for her to have intimate emotions towards Rover. Camellya is a little more complex in that Rover is an outlet for her to express herself, her unhinged side from her overclocking. The emotions Camellya exhibits are likely less of "romantic" and more of a "need" for stability. The other characters? I honestly didn't really see it until Carlotta, primarily during her Story Quest. Maybe I'm just too oblivious, though.
@ yeah but I guess most players don’t see it as simping more like glazing Cause like yangyang,jinshi,storekeeper,camellya,Carlotta basically everybody GLAZED and I mean GLAZED the rover like no tommarow for Carlotta I can understand because their reputation proceeds them but for the people in hualong other then jinshi They JUST met him like Litterally JUST met him it felt like I was in the aftermath of a fight even though it was the beginning.
@arminkir9389 Yeah, Kuro over pivoted when reacting to initial Beta feedback. Originally, from what I've heard, all of the characters were insanely suspicious of Rover; Chixia even tries to shoot Rover, lol. I would have liked a little more suspicion, but I also feel as if Yangyang, Chixia, Baizhi, and Jinhsi all knew "something" about Rover from the start. It seems hinted at that they know, else why would Jinshi even be waiting for a "special guest"? Why would Yangyang and Chixia have even been there? Assuming that they DID know something about what Rover is, then it explains some of the response towards Rover. However, even with that explanation, it wasn't presented well at all.
@@nava9561 They asked for a lot of things in the character survey. I didn't realize that they were asking us to describe a pre-existing character, so I described a hypothetical character. I also described a male character since there is an odd lack of them.
The four main things that made Rinascita really work IMO were: -Everyone, _including_ Rover, had a personal goal or interest in the Carnivale, which made the conflicts, cooperation, and motivation to go through the story much more real -We got to meet and spend time with more than the up-during-release limited 5*, making the cast feel that much richer (also this allowed for less Rover-simping) -They significantly toned down the ego-stroking about how strong and special Rover is, while actually giving us proper spotlight as we *did* things, we all signed up to play a power fantasy when we picked up a Kuro game, and at long last I felt powerful - They went for the generic "people at power fight to gain/preserve their powers as Idealists fight to resist said power" story, and as PGR proved that's Kuro's home turf when it comes to story themes Overall a 10/10 update, my only wishes for 2.1and forward are for Carlotta to remain relevant and not disappear into the background as Phoebe starts flirting with Rover (Kuro went so hard on the emotional development/bonding during main & companion quest I lowkey feel like I'm cheating sometimes)
I'm assuming that everyone will stay relevant in the story. Phoebe is going to get a lot more development next update. We already see a bit of it in the 2.0 story. Just hope that Kuro can keep up the quality and work towards even more novel stories.
@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG if they can keep things at a similar scale for most of the way forward I've no doubt they'll be able to As a PGR player there's no company I trust more than Kuro when it comes to plot
Thank you! I spent awhile planning things out and writing and rewriting everything that needed to be said. And I am sorry about the spoilers. It's hard to discuss the story without some of them. I tried to keep them to a minimum, though.
Bro I swear wuwa is worth every minute. The first 3 acts are a bit of a chores but it's worth it after. The storytelling is not the best at all in the start 😂 but the gameplay and everything surrounding it is so good it's worth it
@@FeroxAmarokk Yeah, the start of WuWa is a bit rough, and I almost wish that they'd go back and fix it retroactively for new players. But the improvements over the past seven months has made this really good. I hope they continue to improve upon their storytelling and presentation even more, too.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG I have the literal same sentiment about them retconning the beginning and making it a bit better. If you ever checked in cbt1 they had a complete different storyline for the first few acts. They scrapped it and made the new one because of the CN beta testers were very critical of it.
@@FeroxAmarokk I knew about the different storylines and the criticism beta testers had for it, but I've never actually seen it directly myself. It really makes me wonder just how bad it was, or if it was that bad at all.
The world quests alone feel like main quests. The missing swords, the twin towers, the maze, the storm is approaching, and the averardo vault quest is amazing. I can also say the same with the puzzles. Kuro devs really hitted the jackpot on this one.
Yeah. The world quests all feel great to do. And the Maze is just randomly stumbled upon. Granted, it's massive and attached to an event, so it's a bit hard to miss, but it is possible to miss. And fighting The Lifer at 300%+ power is... very long, lol.
I absolutely love brant. Hes litreally my favourite part of this whole update. I hope they bring more men out . Though i mostly focus on playing my other gatcha games he is litreally one if my favourite characters now. the whole designs of everything in this patch is so stunning
Thanks. I plan on doing more of just what I want. Maybe more stuff like this if I feel that there are things I want to talk about. Glad you like it, though. Rinascita has been worth it.
People tend to forget that gacha is a money making method, it's a fully independent system from the music, gameplay, art, and overall presentation. Kuro games not only remembered that, but they went and delivered on it. And we can respect that. They put a lot of care wnd passion into the base product, and still include that predatory gacha system on the side, as a bonus.
Indeed. That's why I said that it feels as if Kuro understands that they are making a "game" first. The game comes before the profits. Is gacha a good thing? No; as you stated, it's predatory, and it will never not be predatory so long as real-world money is attached to it. But it can be "manageable" in games if implemented as a suppletory element, as you also mentioned. I think WuWa is understanding this, and I think Infinity Nikki also understands this. These two games probably have the most "player first" gacha system that I've seen. Granted, I don't profess to be an expert on gachas.
Rinacita is prob one of the few open world scape I’ve 100% visited that I didn’t mind just running around and chilling and taking in the environment and music Speaking of marks, their was an attempt to add "Wet" status, meaning your characters had a wet look, Carlotta has one floating around the net and . . . wow. Only her for now though, I hope the devs continue it cuz it would be amazing having a "wet" look xD
I heard about the "wet" visual effect just yesterday, I think. At this point, they'll add in a "sunburnt" and "Verina is tired from carrying everyone" effects, lol. The details are really nice, and like I said in the video, there are so many that people might just totally miss, but when they see them, the surprise will be great.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG Yeah its the little details they add that just makes me love Kuro a lot, even back then when I followed lolologistics employee doing his errand and he actually does go somewhere and deliver his package and so on really helps you immerse yourself in the word. I hope they add more details like these in the game, if I had one small wish from Kuro, I'd probably ask them to add playable characters to exist outside of the story. We already have Shore Keeper and Carlotta appearing during certain times in the day and I hope they add more of those in the future.
@@unloyal4847 Camellya also appears around like 6am at the spot where you end her story quest. So I do think that they will keep doing this moving forward.
@ Oh wait for real? Didn't know about the Camellya one, I'd love for them to keep adding them, would really make the world feel so alive if we see them every now and then just living their lives.
I was surprised at how fluid the exploration loop was here. I'm usually not one to 100% maps unless it happens naturally, but 100%ing rinnescita was genuinely some of the most fun I've had in gaming for a while. The side areas like the 3 rises, or the bottomless pit ribs tunnel boss were genuinely 2 of my favorite in game areas of all time. Flying around the world with Lorelei. I could go on but you get the point. This update fucked, and I hope they carry this momentum into 2.1 and onwards.
The fluidity of exploring and movement really helps make Rinascita enjoyable. Just being able to easily traverse the landscape is a boon for players, but all of the extra trackers helps a lot for saving time, too.
Ragunna is the main city of Rinascita. Ravenna was the capital of the Western Roman Empire till 476AD. Rinascita is clearly inspired from Italy, while the Renaissance started there. the devs really like creating a parallel world somehow, based on ours.
The parallel is definitely apparent, and it feels good, too. I am curious as to whether or not we'll get more larger cities in Rinascita. There's mention of another location, probably south, but I forgot its name. I think an undercover Black Shores Bloom Bearer mentions it (along with some other interesting information). If I recall, I think he's around the Montelli quarters.
TBH while 1.0 is a slog, the terms are all pretty important. They show what are discords and fields, but for the rest it's just delivered very poorly. You can tell it's rushed (which is what they admitted, they rewrote the story in 6 months). After that it takes some time getting things back together so the quality increased gradually until 2.0, which is a leap that felt like they had time to flesh out. I think they might have wanted to do more character interactions and things like that in 1.x (they DID have interactions, people keep wanting to pretend Yangyang and Chixia never interacted, or Jinhsi and Changli, or Encore and Aalto. There just wasn't enough as the patches went on) but they were pressed for time due to rushing out 1.0 and have been playing catch up ever since. IMO people pinpoint the dialogue with Zani as "yapping" or a slow point but she serves to flesh out the world a bit. This is how we do things in Ragunna. This is how Ragunnesi eat, in this particular way. This is the famous wine you've heard of. This is a saying we have, etc. Things like that which makes Ragunna have its own culture and tastes that make the world feel alive. The entire story itself of 2.0 is definitely like a play. And what confirms that intention is Phrolova quoting some of Shakespeare's plays during the fight with Hecate. The dark/gloomy post apocalyptic Jinzhou makes sense since it's one of the front lines against the effects of the Lament. Recently reclaimed and rebuilt. Nature dominating some areas except for areas where the discords dominate. I like that we have a variety of locales and biomes. I'm looking forward to more. The level of technology and state of the world shows that they can do anything. They can have a country be like Venice, but another be like Chernobyl. A city like Lauterbrunnen and another like Chongqing, etc. I'm looking forward to what they have in store, especially if they pulled off something like 2.0. PS: The three headed bird isn't part of the Lorelei Challenge. It's location is just an unfortunate coincidence.
I don't think anything I said is in direct contrast to anything said here. 1.0s terms are important, but to a new player, they're equally nonsensical. It's a classic case of "telling" the player without adequately "showing" the player, and it brings the pacing to a virtual halt. The interactions between the 1.0 characters exist, but not to the same extent, especially during the main quest, as the 2.0 cast. Jinzhou's setting isn't a bad thing; it is just contrasted by the setting of Rinascita. The contrast brings out the beauty of Rinascita more than it simply being on its own would.
Wuwa 2.0 was so great, it made requestion the reasons behind why I was playing other games. Basically, if you play a game, it must make you feel good whilst you play it.
Rinascita is definitely allowing people to experiencing something refreshing with WuWa. There really is so much joy in exploring and interacting with everything in the region.
I imagine montelli family for rinascita, is like samsung owner's family to south korea. Not a good guy per se, but not necessarily a bad guy either as they are needed in the economy. They want to keep the status quo for their own benefit.
Well, as Carlotta's Story Quest suggests, the Montellis don't want to keep the status quo; that's the main motive behind that quest's central conflict. They want to change the current order of Rinascita, but they, according to Carlotta, just don't want to be new leaders or anything like that. They just want to break from the grip of the Order. It isn't inherently a bad thing for the writing to be this way; I just don't find it overly compelling for the background of a mafia family.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG Ah, i guess i missed that. I was only thinking about the economic side of things. Iirc, montelli allow everyone use the terminal, but exclusively hold the technology secret, also hold the manufacture and distribution rights. A little bit like telecomunication company, with the 4/5G tower, if only one company own the rights.
@ They have the rights and secrets to the personal terminals in Rinascita, yeah. But I see keeping those rights as more of a common business practice than anything else. They also own 50% of the nation's wealth in their banks and vaults, and that I can't believe could be possible with unsavory means, but such is never truly explored.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG i suppose i will be able to give you my full respond once i can watch this video in full - which i have to stop because i've yet to finish the 2.0 main story. but i salute your effort. truly. do you feel like TH-cam and/or general content creating space moves too slow, too lacking in reaction to a more in depth content such as this video?
@@MagisterialVoyager Hmm, assuming that I understand your question, I think TH-cam is probably the best platform for video reactions. Granted, I guess just writing a massive blog post or something would work, but being able to show what I am talking about while discussing it is a boon. Attention is always hard to get and retain in people, so I try to make my videos as snappy as I can, but, naturally, not everyone will stay watching. In terms of engagement and views, I'm used to not getting much for my videos, so as long as a few people like yourself enjoy it, then I'm fine. Growth will come with time and consistency.
@ i was generally referring to the dramatic, click bait-y energy of youtube and comparing it to the slow behemoth that is the academia. when i was doing my postgrad in creative industries, the materials are "old" but it's just 5 years old, roughly. helpful, resourceful, but still feels old in the speed that is the internet and video forms in general. props on you for making more reflective video. i try to support more "slow cooked" video as much as possible when i can because we cannot all do .exe videos and not step back from time to time to digest.
@@MagisterialVoyager OH! That makes more sense. Yeah, I'll admit, I'm not fond of the "click-baity" stuff. Obviously, to some extent, people do have to "play the game" of TH-cam, but if I say something in the title or thumbnail, I try to make sure that what is in there is as accurate to what is advertised as possible. I think it's easier to deliver on stuff like that with video essays than other forms of TH-cam videos. But yeah, a full-blown academic analysis on something in WuWa would be cool, too.
The game keeps getting better and better over each patch, and it's a very good thing. Stagnant water got polluted, and games are like that too. And Wuwa's limited characters are balanced pretty well too. ( I feel like scamed with Ellen and her W.E when Miyabi released, and Harumasa soon became Alloy with NEW Anby drip marketing - heavily powercreeped even thou these two games release only 2 weeks apart)
The Nightmare Echoes help to bring the older Echo sets that some characters still use up to par with the newer sets. I would like to see more 4-star Characters, though. WuWa is lacking those badly.
Wuwa 2.0 reignited my love of an open world gacha. I dropped Genshin at 5.0, hsr, and was about to drop Wuwa. I gave it a chance because new region just like I did with Natlan. I was completely blown away. The story, VA’s, the beautiful region, so many references to Freiren, Elden Ring, Witcher, not to mention the cut scenes. It was a completely different game compared to 1.0 version. Wuwa 1.0 to me felt like it has no identity. It was all over the place just like its theme ost. It’s forgettable. Wuwa ost did improved a lot on 1.3 with Shorekeeper with the Nier reference.
WuWa 1.0 wasn't bad or anything, but it definitely felt like a rushed course-correction in response to the Beta. We still have no real story behind Danjin, Yuanwu, or Calcharo. 2.0 has really helped in bringing things together, and it's really only the beginning of Rinascita's story.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG 1.0 have so much info dump, if it wasn't for good qol, combat, and skip button, i would have dropped it long ago. Skip button is the mvp here lol. But now, I never touch skip button in 2.0. i'm really invested in the story now and the good music direction enhanced it immensely. I find myself looking for my headphone first before playing wuwa now. I just 100% the map and finished both Carlotta and the recent Roccia's companion quest. There's so much attention to details. What a great experience.
Abby is a good little beach ball, indeed. I don't find him/her (not really sure which, but I think that's by design) to be annoying or anything. Abby's character feels more endearing than anything.
Thank you! I hope to be able to do other videos like this in the future. It sometimes feels hard to do because I'm never sure if I'm really adding anything to the conversation (especially for Character Trailers and such). But I knew that I had to do this one. I just really wanted to talk about Rinascita.
One thing you must understand is that here it feels very good that the story revolves around Rover, since, unlike other protagonists, Rover is literally GOD, a strong enough character that is not minimized by other characters, even by Sentinels, Trenodians and their resonators, different would have been that the prota is a burden for the story and this depended on other secondary characters with better position.
It makes sense if presented well. 1.0 doesn't really present that well. It isn't really until 1.1 that we get to understand Rover's overall importance in everything. I mentioned in reply to another comment more details on what I think Kuro was going for and why it makes sense but just isn't executed well in 1.0.
The biggest problem with the pacing in just about every game or movie is that we've conditioned ourselves to not be able to pay attention to something for longer than the average youtube short, tiktok or similar content. Our brains demand something fresh every 30 seconds. It's both interesting and frightening to see.
I don't really agree with that. Do people have shorter attention spans? Generally, yes, but poor pacing can exist regardless. I've had to read some slow-burn books before but didn't entirely think the pacing was awful. What makes 1.0's pacing so poor is the opening exposition dumps. These make the opening few acts a case of "telling" instead of "showing," and regardless of attention spans, that's poor writing and story-telling. Kuro has gotten a lot better at "showing" in subsequent updates, especially 2.0.
This kind of analysis is quiet good; While the other is comparing wuwa 2.0 vs other gacha 5.3 patch, you're here calmly comparing the 1.x vs 2.0 patch of wuwa itself, which something worth of comparison. Because we all know that the 1.x patch is kinda, yeah.
My livestream comparison video was more due to the fact that both livestreams happened only a day apart from each other. I believe that I even mention in the stream that a more equitable comparison would have been 5.0 vs 2.0, but 5.0 was a bit outdated by then. And I do think that comparing the two is fine when done constructively. But yes, this video is focused entirely on WuWa itself since it is about WuWa's success with Rinascita. Nothing else. 2.0 is a giant step forward for WuWa.
I still have quite a few World Quests to get down. And now Roccia's Story Quest is out, too. I'll probably have to stream that this weekend or something, lol.
At WuWa’s base, it was a good game, but it was new so it didn’t have a TON of content. For me, Rinacita definitely solved that problem and it’s now my favorite region.
The only time when I'm not happy of Kuro's listening is when they decided to remove the "dark" story element from the CBT, after the beta tester complain about it. Jinzhou used to have a much darker theme, where Rover have to proof that they were not a bad guy. Chixia used to hate Rover for not protecting Yangyang during the crownless fight, which led Yangyang getting heavily injured. Taoqi was supposed to detain rover upon their arrival at the Jinzhou gate. Cumolonimbus and Danjin were supposed to appear in the main story, but were removed because they were apparenty task to kills exiles or fractsidus.
Yeah it's ruin 1.0 experience, story didn't flow well & some character got forgotten meanwhile in PGR kuro didn't hold back with their writing & it's truly peak
I'm fine uf they retcon some parts of the story in 1.0 to ensure a better story and experience for players who are just starting out with the game. I just hope old players can teplay the story to make the changes more impactful.
I really do think that I need to look into the original CBT story more. I get the feeling that Kuro pivoted too far in adjusting to feedback too quickly with that one, but I'd need to look into it.
@ I have heard that PGR can be dark, so I am hoping that some of that comes into WuWa from time to time. The entire story doesn't need to be dark, but certain parts would benefit from it. This is a post-apocalyptic world, after all.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG actually i kinda glad that it not too dark because in CBT lot of thing it look not make sense and everyone treat Rover like a douchebag even Rover help them it super hostility and too much edgy and sone quest is not even connect to story at all but then it seem they tone down too much and make 1.0 is bit bland but again that is just Prolouge we can see that Kuro already improve bit by bit on both QoL and story even some said it already better at around 1.3- 1.4 but 2.0 is just peak of Wuwa
Oakheart Court was my favourite are by far. Not only massive Elden Ring vibes, but the lore of the are amd Lifer, movie references, philosophy and existential questions there... aimply chef's kiss
5:15 Personally, I don't really care about gray morale or other, even something as good as LotR is straight up good vs bad. And fortunately, we will learn about Fisalia family in the next iteration of the story, as per the end of act 3.
Two feuding mafia families isn't really the same, thematically, as an allegorical tale like LotR, though. Neither family should be objectively "good." The Montelli's control roughly half of the entire nation's wealth. One does not achieve that level of power via "good" means. And the entire story of Rinascita doesn't inherently need to be morally grey. I simply wanted more depth with the two families, especially in Carlotta's Story Quest. And this may seem somewhat unrelated, but not having certain characters, like Fenrico, have the same level of design as playable characters gives away some of plot. Did anyone really believe that he is the Sentinel's actual Resonator? A cursory glance alone would say otherwise. Doing the same thing with the Fisalia's tends to give away the story a bit. But these are just minor nitpicks, hence why not all of them made it into the video. But it is fine if you prefer a more morally clear story. Those have their value and can be well-written, too. And, considering that this story is meant, to some extent, to be a "fairy tale," there likely will be clearer moral divides. Granted, Phrolova's lines about there being "no happy ending" and no "script" and all of that does raise some concerns, but either choice would work for the overall narrative of the story.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG Yeah, I understand you. I guess my wording is too short and I don't fully get what you meant at the video about depth. It's just my personal take about enjoying something and not thinking too much. And what I want to be the main point of the comment is we will learn more about fisalia family later down the line, that's all. Let's see what the story tells us later. Great video, btw.
Rinascita coming out during Natlans cycle is so funny to me 😭it’s like black mirror with Natlan being complete ass in every department, and Rinascita EXCELING
Dude just yesterday, i was playing around during Oakheart court when I got a cutscene and that's when I knew I stumbled upon something and even entering the maze, I was scared of what I could encounter and upon seeing the Lifer and playing that game was BONKERS. Lifer and the Construct are proof that Rinascita is rich in lore and love because I could've unlocked the maze and got a chest in the middle and went abt my day, but they went the extra mile and gave you a reason to stay and play which I loveeeeeeeee. Honestly, I hope they don't drop the ball on Ragunna as a whole cause I'll be sad abt that
I don't suspect that 2.1 will be as amazing in terms of new things as 2.0, but I'm sure that they'll at least maintain this level of quality leading into then another massive upgrade for 3.0 half a year from now.
5:18 If anyone thinks the Fisalia family is evil, it means Kuro nailed their plot. They seem to intentionally make players think that way, but if you dig a bit deeper - not even too far, just by talking to Rosemary the apothecary (since she's also from the Fisalia family) - you'll realize it's not as simple as it seems.
I'm well aware that Rosemary is a Fisalia, and there are some characters that mentions that not all of the Fisalias are bad, but that is the same as saying that just because Capollo exists, the Montellis aren't presented as the "good" family. It's a matter of presentation. In every interaction with the Fisalias in the main quest and Carlotta's story quest, they are presented as an objective antagonist. Will they likely get a redemption arc? Yes. But the presentation of both families is in a binary style that lacks nuance so far.
Checked out the moment you mentioned glazing. I'm a bit tired of this point of contention. Sorry but even the greatest epics and acclaimed literary masterworks have "glazing" of characters just because they exist. At least in the case of Rover he was a prophesized figure of legend, a leader and shaper of CIVILIZATIONS who's lived for who knows how fucking long not to speak of his/her good looks and martial prowess. Read some Dune or greek literature as a primer if you want to know what true, "unearned" glazing looks like.
Nah I still don't like how any other character treats rovers in unnaturally friendly manner, except Camellia who's just inappropriate perv. However, I must say extreme glazing was toned down a bit in 2.0 which is a good thing
@@nagasolaire8462 I agree to some extent. While i can see where you're coming from with Camellia being an inappropriate perv i have a different angle but let's just agree to disagree (post too long already). 100% agree on the glazing being toned own in 2.0 but understand this is mostly a result of Rover being mostly unknown there; In Huanglong people were expecting you as an augured, prophezised saviour written in legends and you delivered. Same with Black Shores. Also while it's true that's been toned down a bit in 2.0 i don't regard it as a good or a bad thing, it's just an expression of said different circumstances. Thanks for reading my wall of text. Cheers and glad you enjoyed the plot a but more this time around.
I don't recall ever saying the word "glazing" in my entire life outside of talking about doughnuts. Also, I have a degree in literature, so I've more than read Greek classics. But there's a slight issue with that comparison: in theory, no one knows that "Rover" is the same person as whoever used to be this grand "shaper of civilizations" outside of a select few people. I suspect that Jinhsi knew and sent Yangyang and Chixia to collect Rover, and that explains their initial trust and liking towards Rover, despite it being poorly presented. Naturally, the Black Shores knew by the end of that arc, at least the important people in the organization. Rinascita doesn't know. Carlotta invited "a member of the Black Shores" as a "valued trade partner." She didn't specifically invite "Rover"; Shorekeeper just took that as a good opportunity to send Rover to investigate Abby's condition. This explains why only a select few people even recognize Rover in Rinascita (Fulmine from the Pioneering Association recognizes Rover, but that makes sense since he's basically a journalist and Rover has done tasks for the Association. Rover is simply known as "the legendary Rover" for the deeds done after reawakening, not prior.). Until Rover's true role is fully revealed, the only people who should be in awe of Rover are those who already know what Rover used to be or know of Rover's deeds as "Rover." Also, as I mentioned in one of the comments around here, I never found many of the 1.X characters as obsessed with Rover as many others in the community did. My statement in the video about characters fawning over Rover is more of a reflection of the general community's opinion at large.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG About glazing: 3:23. As someone with a degree in literature i'm confident you're familiar with metonyms. With that out of the way your 2nd to 4th paragraphs are just by degrees agreeing with my reply to *nagasolaire up there so i you can consider them addressed. Please refer to it if you need to contextualize my stance, we are mostly in agreement no need to go any more granular on it as far as i'm concerned but i'm welcome to any challenge on my views. As for your overall take on this particular subject i concede that maybe i was too busy and therefore quick to conclude your stance and dismiss you out of fatigue with the criticism at hand. I value the time you took to set the record straight, i gave it a second chance and you're quite measured in your analysis and you earned a new sub. Cheers.
Music is a very powerful part of any story presentation or gameplay experience. While I think that Rinascita can stand on its own, the music definitely brings out so much more with it.
Loved the update, it made me really enjoy playing it and want more, few games do that nowadays. It really reminded me of exploring the worlds of Xenoblade Chronicles 2 or getting lost in the beauty of Toussaint. Tho, as much as I love Rinascita and how it looks, I would still recommend anyone who plays on PC to use Nvidia filters to crank up the colors and sharpen the image, the game looks absolutely magnificent if you play with the filters a bit.
I think everyone pretty much agreed that 2.0 is great. The only thing that I personally want to see improvement with is the main plot. So far wuwa follows genshin template with big region update = separate story (overall). Lemme explain - lets say you watch Game of Thrones - you may have different stories each season but they all interconnected - everything from past season leads directly to the new one, all involved parties continue to be present in the story and they continue to be a part of ongoing story. In wuwa, same as in genshin we have separate region every update and then we just leave it behind. Its hard to explain but I want to see some global story, not just a number of separate stories, in which we participate because of non obvious reasons. E.g. the only reason we go to Rinascita because we need to check on Abby's issues, but other than that we dont have reasons to go there. We could stay in Jingzhou because thete no global goal/situation that we follow
This will likely be an issue exacerbated by the overall premise behind Rover: the amnesia. Abby's condition is the current catalyst for going to Rinascita, but after that, assuming that it is resolved, then the next more likely motive is just traveling to regain one's memories. This was why we went to the Black Shores, after all. Perhaps in the future, the various stories will begin to converge, but I have my doubts of that happening until very close to the end.
It's just natural for Rinascita to have a separate story from Jinzhou they're 2 completely different regions with different cultures, that's just common sense but that doesn't mean the devs have completely abandoned the original story. We're still on the right track, that's the reason Rover and Abby visited Rinascita in the first place, they have a mission there. They will tie the story together, we're just not at that point of the Rinascita story yet, we're only halfway through it. We will soon meet the Sentinel so expect more lore that have more to do with Rover and Solaris 3.
Just imagine how they’ll introduce The New Federation 😭, idk what region we’ll go to next besides that since I haven’t found a clue to what the other regions are called.
There is a Black Shores Bloom Bearer in Ragunna who mentions a southern region of Rinascita. I would assume that said region will be introduced in a couple of updates first. The New Federation is possibly after that. I'm just curious as to the style of the region. I would like to see something like the past Port City of Guixu, the version that we are presented briefly in Shorekeeper's story quest from 1.3. A truly massive metropolitan space (think of a city that is virtually half the entire region or something) would be pretty unique for a game like this.
I only realised this just now while watching this, but rinascita truly reminds me of dressrosa arc from one piece, the only difference is rinascita is TIMES better and not one bit boring
Rinasita proves that gacha games can be real games. If these developers truly tries, I believe gacha games could stomp every other games in term of open world exploration. Flying being introduced is an in open invitation for other developers to try and implement new traversing methods, that is NOT LOCKED behind characters. I spent the first 5 hours of the patch trying to do the main quest, but got so distracted by all the insanely well made places and scenaries, so I only managed to get through act 1 after 5 hours lmao. Some people might not know this, but certain locations will look different depending whether it is day or night, which blew my mind away the first time I discovered it 😂 the music is absolutely beautiful too! I mean, I can go on and on but people probably gets it by now. Wuthering waves is simply a game that has gacha in it.
While I agree that the 1.0 storyline was not the best, even below average, I genuinely believe that people should not lump in 1.1 and 1.3 storyline with it. The 1.1 and 1.3 storylines were actually great and showed great improvements from 1.0.
1.1 and 1.3 are improvements, yes. Granted, both of those updates' stories are also more compact, so it's easier to make their pacing better. And I do mention towards the end that Kuro had been improving with each update, a fact that culminates in the 2.0 update.
my only complaint is that after meeting carlotta, rover become almost like a spectator while Kurogames shoves carlotta down the player's throat, until the beginning of the final act I understand that they need to sell the character, but that was a bit too much, especially when carlotta meet the player again at fool's base after supposedly "betraying" rover to avoid the church prosecuting the monteli family. It felt like her earlier act had less of a consequences. Would be cool if she helped from the shadow instead. Overall i would rate it 8/10 WAY better overall main story than previous version. Great environment design, and not making things excessively big and empty. some things i would like to be improved in future version: level design still a bit empty and sparse, (treasure spots are a bit too similar) but wings really helped forget about it. 160 asterites instead of 1 standard pull from gold chest
I am fine with Rover taking more of a backseat. The opening arc of a region's story doesn't have to be about Rover. I'm fine with the characters taking things into their own hands and Rover playing more of a supporting role. After all, Rover will still play the main role in the long run.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG fair if you like it. I feel like they put other character on the spotlight far better. I don't care about brant nor roccia before the story, but after the storyu i'm very interested in both of them (brant is cool af in the final arc), it's the opposite effect for me on carlotta. Maybe i was expectiong that we became like a duo rather than errand boy, the character quest did it better imo
Tbh I liked Black Shores better,but that's just my opinion,I can see why Rinascita is considered better,it does have more life to it after all and the world feels more alive,but Black Shores is more like an intimate story rather than a world exploring story
The Black Shores is also likely to be a more contained story, as well. Rinascita's story is just beginning, so the first update is just the opening for what's to come.
It was unfortunate to be witnessing this masterpiece of a video belatedly, and it isn’t a surprise that your analysis is nothing short of exceptional, Sausage man! Where do I even begin? It is obvious that your video was thoughtfully planned and executed. If one were to play this video like one plays a podcast, the enjoyment it brings would be just as profound as watching it-thanks to its comedic yet beautiful cinematography. I love the parodical aspect as well. In my opinion, one of the most agreeable points you made was the betterment of the pacing in Rinascita’s main story. While playing it felt like not only did it feel more engrossing but more engaging for the player. I could go on and on about it. Truly thank you for saying what other content creators couldn’t with this video. It brought a smile to my face to see a relevant Wuwa video that wasn’t targeted toward character builds.
Wow, thanks for that. I'm glad that you liked it so much. Indeed, a lot of work and thought went into really trying to pinpoint everything that made Rinascita stand out and be successful. The story was such an important part, too. I wish that I didn't have to include some spoilers in there, but it's hard to analyze it without doing that, lol.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG Lol, It's an anime called Hitman Reborn. It's a boy who will become the next head of the mafia Familia, but it's a good Mafia familial in away lol
So happy for you PC guys, especially those with sweet SS-level rigs. On mobile, we're forced to play on Ultra Performance mode, 24fps, 240p resolution that makes it look like a thick layer of Vaseline was laid all over the screen. It's funny when talk to an NPC and all you see of their faces are air brushed lines like some spray-painted smiley face. It's like talking to a thumb with shoulders. Then there's the horrible, nightmarish lag, frequent server kicks despite good ping. And that's not even a potato device lol So yeah, so happy for you PC Master Race guys, the only people along with whales the devs ever listen to. They should stop including mobile player numbers on their quarterly reports, honestly.
My PC is over six years old. It is hardly "SS." I also have a friend who plays on mobile perfectly fine (I've even played on her phone briefly). While what you are saying may be your experience, it certainly is not universal. The performance in the game has vastly improved over these past few months, and it will likely continue to improve. My only concern is with just how large the game is. Gacha games practically need an entire drive dedicated to them.
I don't specifically agree with Montelli being 'good' - we have been shown and it has been said by grandpa Montelli "Blood for blood, life for life". They are not good but they are progressive - the thing current Rinacita needs. The Fisalias are also not 'bad' per se, they've just chosen to align themselves with the Order and the Order works with the Fraxidus to keep its (at the moment a bit shaky) hold on the region. The Fisalias have just chosen to align with those they think will help them achieve what they want - to get rid of the Montellis. I think the only reason we perceive the Montellis as the 'good side' is because we, as outsiders, see that Rinacita needs the freedom and change to advance forward, while the Order tries to keep its hold and for that to happen, the region must remain stagnant and isolated. Why do you think they have removed all older books and materials from all of Ragunna after the cloud sea engulfed part of the region?
Everything that the Montelli family has done (note the "family," not just one-off people) has aligned with the betterment of Rinascita. Carlotta makes its clear that the family is concerned about the well-being of the people of Rinascita. Their actions are presented in the story as noble and generous. On the contrary, the story presents the Fisalias as greedy and arrogant (there are NPC interactions about them and with them during the main quest that express this). This isn't about where each family stands regarding Rinascita, it's about how each family is presented to the player. There is an immediate alignment with the Montellis, and there is no real hesitation or questioning of this. This lacks nuance that would make both families feel more compelling. Sure, there's the "blood for blood" that is seen in Carlotta's trailer, but is avenging wronged family a "bad" thing? Would not anyone do that if they had the means? Everything with the Montellis as a whole is presented in a favourable light to the player, and that is where there is a lack of nuance.
Speaking of the localization, I still don't understand why they kept calling it improv comedy during the stage segments 😅 I think the only voice acting miss I encountered was a kid during Roccia's companion quest, come to think of it.
Brant was just the friends we made along the way. Brant is going to be in the next update, I'm pretty sure. They already marketed him on Twitter, so he's coming soon.
All of the songs, other than the one during the Teddy Bear scene (that one is "It Has to Be This Way" from the Metal Gear Rising: Revengence OST), are from Rinascita. Most, if not all of them, can be found and then played back with the Song Player Echo. The only exception, I think, is "A Fairy Tale," the song that plays during the reveal of Rinascita's landscape. If you type that into TH-cam's search bar, you'll definitely find it and likely a lot of the others in the related section.
I don't agree with you on that point. When it comes to limited 5 stars the rover is glazed way too much. Also the secondary quest makes me believe the fisalia aren't that bad. They just are clinging too much to traditions which comes colluding with the montelli's agenda.
The Fisalia part is worth investigating more. Carlotta's quest shows a collusion between The Order and a member of the Montelli family. It does not necessarily show a collusion between the Fisalias and the Montellis. Now, we do know that The Order and the Fisalias are on the same side, but how much influence did the Fisalias have in this case? Also, in this alliance, who is the dominant power? The Fisalias have been on Rinascita since its founding, so did they bring The Order into power and use them? Or does The Order have more control over the Fisalias (as the interaction between Gilberto and Alesso implies)? The power dynamic probably needs to be looked into more, and it will likely become more apparent later on in the main story. In regards to the treatment of Rover, I do think that the term "glazing" needs a very specific definition here since it isn't actually the term I used in the video. I specifically used the word "fawning," a word that implies a much more intimate interaction. "Glazing," as far as I am aware, can be far more general than that and even simply apply to being overly complimentary towards someone. I don't think those are the same things, and that is likely why my views may not fully align with others' in this regard.
If I were to write it. She would have made herself present to them at the start to taunt. Then they know the flowers are her calling card specifically instead of the fractsidus in general
I'm sure that we'll see more of her in the future. I really liked how Cristoforo was able to be found everywhere. He's even at the Vault if you look around. It really reminded me of "Professor Alba" from Trails in the Sky. And it was one of the major reasons why I was instantly suspicious of Cristoforo here, lol.
@ I don't know if that really fits her character, though. She just like to "conduct" the performance while watching how it all plays out. I do feel that they could have done the flower thing a bit better. The Fisalia guy was a bit too rash with them.
3:48 in japanese dub nothing changes, you're saying this based in only one voice language. Also, characters down fawn over Rover in Rinascita? Lol, people are so delusional.
The only character who could be considered as "fawning" over Rover out of the main cast is Carlotta, and that's mostly by the end of her Story Quest. The one camera guy is certainly a fan, but that's just because he knows what Rover has done before in Jinzhou, so that seems warranted. In regards the the VO work, what I say still applies. It is a touch of characterization for Brant's character. Just because the vocal direction of the other languages didn't add that in doesn't invalidate the fact that it is present in the English VO for the character.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG dont worry, there are more coming, more 3 or 4 female characters that will "fawn" over Rover in Rinascita. It soon will break people's delusions with the game, these people (you included) forget gacha games are primarily waifu collectors. I often see people mischaracterize, misinterpret and doompost 1.x female characters stories just to fit their agenda or narrative against "the Rover glazing/harem", and you're not too far off.
This channel's name reminds me with the Genshin TCG that I hate and I always suggest to make a separate game (when I still care about the game) Yet they always waste their energy on adding new cards and revamping the cards
I really love rinacista the atmosphere,charecters,vibes,story everything it was remind me so much of Fontaine. My only PROBELM that also ties into Fontaine and it’s not even a PROBELM just a personal nitpick is that the new charecters specifically my queen Carlotta’s best artifact set is behind the region so I can’t prefarm for her like at all It makes sense but still sucks to me personally(same PROBELM I had when I couldn’t prefarm for clorindes artifacts)😭🙏
The way I rushed so hard to get Carlotta's materials the SECOND I got to Rinascita. Thankfully, the ability to jump to bosses before having unlocked them is here. That is a nice little feature that I didn't get to talking about in the video.
wrong, you can farm those artifacts, click on what you want to farm and it will give you the option to temporarily go to that boss and only that boss, you can't leave the area so you aren't fully spoiled, unlike in Genshin, you would have to travel from Liyue, then Fontaine then Sumeru then Natlan if you had pulled a Natlan character and completely locked if you summoned for an Inazuma character
To be honest, a lot of people would probably say that with Rinascita. While I don't feel that the story has quite reached into JRPG territory or anything just yet, all of the other features are what one may expect to see in some AAA games. Granted, have AAA games, by industry standards, really been that impressive of late? I just think that what WuWa is providing is what players want for a good game, regardless of genre or status.
This 2.0 update really is a wake up call for me for how badly treated I was playing genshin and how amazing it felt when your opinions are actually respected. Plus you can tell how much the devs love their game just by looking at how polished everything is 🥹
It has taken me awhile to make this, but I knew that it was necessary. Rinascita needed to be talked about in great detail. And while I don't typically do videos like this, I feel that the time I've spent with WuWa has warranted a video of this nature. This update has been an incredible time.
i feel you, brother. this is a good one.
@@MagisterialVoyager Thanks. Glad that you like it!
Aggree with everything you said in this vid. For me, Huanglong was so boring looking with black, gray and white, and the music was subpar (I began to cringe every time the battle music started), I went on as the battle mechanics were so interesting and engaging. Now it's damn good on almost every aspect, I just want to ditch Abby to a deep canyon, don't want other Paimon yapping there with equal appetite but with more snarky comments. Abby is not as bad, but plz no more.
@@ilari90 I never had too much of an issue with the music of the 1.X updates; it just felt a little all over the place. Rinascita's music feels more cohesive in style.
@@ilari90 Jinzhou is pretty, but it's pretty based on graphical fidelity alone in many places. Rinascita is pretty in aesthetics as well as graphical fidelity.
Rinascita really deserves to be praised. It's such a fun gaming experience.
It's certainly made exploring and interacting with the world much more enjoyable.
Unlike other gatcha games, WuWa 2.0 is such an improvement that I forget its a gatcha game.
It really does show that Kuro understands that they are making a "game" before making a profit or anything else. If the game is good, then the profits will handle themselves in time.
The only other gacha that I have played that does this, too, is Infinity Nikki. That also feels like a game first and then a gacha second.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG i agree. i genuinely have never felt compelled to spend money because the baseline of it felt so complete already. any money i will spend (i probably will) is because i feel the game deserves my support. i currently have over 150 pulls because i never felt FOMO over the "big thing" per patch. infinity nikki and wuthering waves have truly stirred the mobile game scene.
@ There is a lot other games can learn from both WuWa and Infinity Nikki.
Maybe not many peoples will watch this video, but i did buddy. It was astonishingly good and i woul'd like to tell you that it moved me a little. It was great time watching this. Thank you for your efforts
Haha, thanks. Yeah, I don't expect many people to watch anything that I make. Every upload somehow is followed by people unsubscribing, lol (it's a vanity number, so it doesn't mean much).
But I felt a need to make this about Rinascita, so I'm glad that someone likes it.
The power of feedbacks really makes Rinascita thrives. I think one of the biggest reason it makes noticable leap in quality than before despite relying on feedbacks too was cuz right now only those who stayed for the game are giving feedbacks, whereas back then the feedbacks were all over the place and the team was trying too hard to please everybody.
That is an interesting idea. The dedicated the fanbase, the better the feedback potential.
I actually think Riniscita is mostly made on feedback from CBT2 not launch. Kuro even said around a month ago that they just started making the first area made with player feedback from launch. In fact only a month or two is not really enough time to develop everything in 2.0. I do think they had to have started Riniscita's development either before launch or at launch. In fact I think flying is a result of the feedback in CBT2 that gliding wasn't fast enough. I'll be very curious to see with the next major update how much more changes.
@@cynthiahembree3957 oh that's possible too, they could've just been picking out which ones are more suitable to implement for each patches.
never a 100% exploration kind of guy even from genshin time, but WuWa peaked my interest on exploring, beautiful and fun
The flight helps so much with exploring. But even just walking around and looking at everything on foot is amazing.
They make it so easy bcz they show you where everything is
@@tpnphoenix3367 It's such a boon for people with busy schedules.
Interesting note, on the Montelli and Fisalia situation; Carlotta's story quest actually showcases that, whilst the Montellis' are mostly "good," they are not *all* good people. It is a family whom came into power with good intentions, but which has grown large enough that a fair share simply don't agree with what those 'good intentions' should be anymore.
If you are talking about the motivations of the main antagonist in Carlotta's story, then he is more about taking the "safe, content" route, giving into luxury, vs pioneering for the benefit of all than he is about showcasing the darker side of mafia families. Sure, to some extent, it's there, but it's too isolated.
The issue is that he is just the one-off. The family, as a whole, as you even mention, has "good intentions." That just isn't how mafia families work.
I still enjoyed the story quest, but I did think that they over-simplified what would otherwise have been the potential for a very nuanced Character and character quest.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG while I absolutely agree with you, 2.0 was NOT the time to introduce a nuanced story like it, it had to be simple, flashy, and most importantly, well executed (like DMC3 story if you have played that). Kuro could not afford to pull a hoyo with their awful stories and storytelling.
@@devildante9 I don't think that a nuanced story would inherently be bad. But yes, execution is key here. No matter what kind of story is created, if the execution in telling it is off, then it won't be successful.
It would be cool to have a playable fiscellia character in the future
@@vij555 I imagine that we will get one eventually. The family may get some sort of redemption arc.
I just finished the main story and I gotta say, everything about this analysis is spot on. Although a little bit of rover simping was seen it wasn't so much that it became the focus. I loved the setting of Rinascita, the music, the landscapes, the exploration with flying, the echoes. All amazing. Kuro really put their heart into this one. I usually hate gacha companies in general but this one is trying to make me like them the right way. The level of detail in design and world building this update gave me the same feeling I got when playing Witcher 3.
I have heard a few people compare this to The Witcher 3. There might be some similarities between Rinascita and the Blood & Wine DLC.
And yeah, there was some pushing of Rover x Carlotta, but it wasn't really enough to disrupt the story or become too distracting. As long as they keep it to a minimum, I'm happy.
I think the Rover simping is more warranted now because of his past deeds and besides the only person who did that is Carlotta and it was most definitely flirting
@arminkir9389 The Rover simping is an interesting thing to look at. I, actually, don't really see it as much as a lot of other players do.
I really only saw it in Yangyang, Shorekeeper, and Camellya in the 1.X sections.
Shorekeeper makes sense, though. Rover teaches her how to feel and process emotions, so it's natural for her to have intimate emotions towards Rover.
Camellya is a little more complex in that Rover is an outlet for her to express herself, her unhinged side from her overclocking. The emotions Camellya exhibits are likely less of "romantic" and more of a "need" for stability.
The other characters? I honestly didn't really see it until Carlotta, primarily during her Story Quest. Maybe I'm just too oblivious, though.
@ yeah but I guess most players don’t see it as simping more like glazing
Cause like yangyang,jinshi,storekeeper,camellya,Carlotta basically everybody GLAZED and I mean GLAZED the rover like no tommarow for Carlotta I can understand because their reputation proceeds them but for the people in hualong other then jinshi
They JUST met him like Litterally JUST met him it felt like I was in the aftermath of a fight even though it was the beginning.
@arminkir9389 Yeah, Kuro over pivoted when reacting to initial Beta feedback. Originally, from what I've heard, all of the characters were insanely suspicious of Rover; Chixia even tries to shoot Rover, lol.
I would have liked a little more suspicion, but I also feel as if Yangyang, Chixia, Baizhi, and Jinhsi all knew "something" about Rover from the start. It seems hinted at that they know, else why would Jinshi even be waiting for a "special guest"? Why would Yangyang and Chixia have even been there?
Assuming that they DID know something about what Rover is, then it explains some of the response towards Rover.
However, even with that explanation, it wasn't presented well at all.
On the recent survey they did, I ask for diesel/steam punk theme for the future region. I know they can pull it off because of Rinascita! ❤
Those surveys certainly feel impactful considering how many improvements we've gotten.
Potential 3rd region
They basically asked us what's our kink, this is peak company
@@nava9561 They asked for a lot of things in the character survey. I didn't realize that they were asking us to describe a pre-existing character, so I described a hypothetical character. I also described a male character since there is an odd lack of them.
The four main things that made Rinascita really work IMO were:
-Everyone, _including_ Rover, had a personal goal or interest in the Carnivale, which made the conflicts, cooperation, and motivation to go through the story much more real
-We got to meet and spend time with more than the up-during-release limited 5*, making the cast feel that much richer (also this allowed for less Rover-simping)
-They significantly toned down the ego-stroking about how strong and special Rover is, while actually giving us proper spotlight as we *did* things, we all signed up to play a power fantasy when we picked up a Kuro game, and at long last I felt powerful
- They went for the generic "people at power fight to gain/preserve their powers as Idealists fight to resist said power" story, and as PGR proved that's Kuro's home turf when it comes to story themes
Overall a 10/10 update, my only wishes for 2.1and forward are for Carlotta to remain relevant and not disappear into the background as Phoebe starts flirting with Rover (Kuro went so hard on the emotional development/bonding during main & companion quest I lowkey feel like I'm cheating sometimes)
I'm assuming that everyone will stay relevant in the story. Phoebe is going to get a lot more development next update. We already see a bit of it in the 2.0 story. Just hope that Kuro can keep up the quality and work towards even more novel stories.
@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG if they can keep things at a similar scale for most of the way forward I've no doubt they'll be able to
As a PGR player there's no company I trust more than Kuro when it comes to plot
Damn.. this video was really well thought out and elaborate.
I'm kinda spoiling myself but I needed enough push to try it myself. Thanks man
Thank you! I spent awhile planning things out and writing and rewriting everything that needed to be said.
And I am sorry about the spoilers. It's hard to discuss the story without some of them. I tried to keep them to a minimum, though.
Bro I swear wuwa is worth every minute. The first 3 acts are a bit of a chores but it's worth it after. The storytelling is not the best at all in the start 😂 but the gameplay and everything surrounding it is so good it's worth it
@@FeroxAmarokk Yeah, the start of WuWa is a bit rough, and I almost wish that they'd go back and fix it retroactively for new players. But the improvements over the past seven months has made this really good. I hope they continue to improve upon their storytelling and presentation even more, too.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG I have the literal same sentiment about them retconning the beginning and making it a bit better. If you ever checked in cbt1 they had a complete different storyline for the first few acts. They scrapped it and made the new one because of the CN beta testers were very critical of it.
@@FeroxAmarokk I knew about the different storylines and the criticism beta testers had for it, but I've never actually seen it directly myself. It really makes me wonder just how bad it was, or if it was that bad at all.
The world quests alone feel like main quests. The missing swords, the twin towers, the maze, the storm is approaching, and the averardo vault quest is amazing. I can also say the same with the puzzles. Kuro devs really hitted the jackpot on this one.
Yeah. The world quests all feel great to do. And the Maze is just randomly stumbled upon. Granted, it's massive and attached to an event, so it's a bit hard to miss, but it is possible to miss.
And fighting The Lifer at 300%+ power is... very long, lol.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCGthis random echo and game you have to play at the middle of the maze was so cool!
I absolutely love brant. Hes litreally my favourite part of this whole update. I hope they bring more men out . Though i mostly focus on playing my other gatcha games he is litreally one if my favourite characters now. the whole designs of everything in this patch is so stunning
Brant is quite the fella. I hope they make him fun to play. Hopefully more male characters do come out to mix things up for everyone.
So glad you were able to talk about Rinascita, it has been a movie. Hope that you continue to post what you want so we can get more stuff like this.
Thanks. I plan on doing more of just what I want. Maybe more stuff like this if I feel that there are things I want to talk about. Glad you like it, though. Rinascita has been worth it.
People tend to forget that gacha is a money making method, it's a fully independent system from the music, gameplay, art, and overall presentation.
Kuro games not only remembered that, but they went and delivered on it. And we can respect that.
They put a lot of care wnd passion into the base product, and still include that predatory gacha system on the side, as a bonus.
Indeed. That's why I said that it feels as if Kuro understands that they are making a "game" first. The game comes before the profits. Is gacha a good thing? No; as you stated, it's predatory, and it will never not be predatory so long as real-world money is attached to it. But it can be "manageable" in games if implemented as a suppletory element, as you also mentioned. I think WuWa is understanding this, and I think Infinity Nikki also understands this. These two games probably have the most "player first" gacha system that I've seen. Granted, I don't profess to be an expert on gachas.
Oh my god, a genuine analysis video??? I love this type of content and it's especially needed in the WuWa space. Great job~
Glad you like it. I would like to do more things like these if I feel passionate enough about a specific thing in the game.
Rinacita is prob one of the few open world scape I’ve 100% visited that I didn’t mind just running around and chilling and taking in the environment and music
Speaking of marks, their was an attempt to add "Wet" status, meaning your characters had a wet look, Carlotta has one floating around the net and . . . wow.
Only her for now though, I hope the devs continue it cuz it would be amazing having a "wet" look xD
I heard about the "wet" visual effect just yesterday, I think. At this point, they'll add in a "sunburnt" and "Verina is tired from carrying everyone" effects, lol.
The details are really nice, and like I said in the video, there are so many that people might just totally miss, but when they see them, the surprise will be great.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG Yeah its the little details they add that just makes me love Kuro a lot, even back then when I followed lolologistics employee doing his errand and he actually does go somewhere and deliver his package and so on really helps you immerse yourself in the word.
I hope they add more details like these in the game, if I had one small wish from Kuro, I'd probably ask them to add playable characters to exist outside of the story.
We already have Shore Keeper and Carlotta appearing during certain times in the day and I hope they add more of those in the future.
@@unloyal4847 Camellya also appears around like 6am at the spot where you end her story quest. So I do think that they will keep doing this moving forward.
@ Oh wait for real? Didn't know about the Camellya one, I'd love for them to keep adding them, would really make the world feel so alive if we see them every now and then just living their lives.
banger video, really shows off the update in a great way
Glad you enjoyed it! A lot of thought went into pinpointing the things that make Rinascita special.
I was surprised at how fluid the exploration loop was here. I'm usually not one to 100% maps unless it happens naturally, but 100%ing rinnescita was genuinely some of the most fun I've had in gaming for a while. The side areas like the 3 rises, or the bottomless pit ribs tunnel boss were genuinely 2 of my favorite in game areas of all time. Flying around the world with Lorelei. I could go on but you get the point. This update fucked, and I hope they carry this momentum into 2.1 and onwards.
The fluidity of exploring and movement really helps make Rinascita enjoyable. Just being able to easily traverse the landscape is a boon for players, but all of the extra trackers helps a lot for saving time, too.
Ragunna is the main city of Rinascita. Ravenna was the capital of the Western Roman Empire till 476AD.
Rinascita is clearly inspired from Italy, while the Renaissance started there. the devs really like creating a parallel world somehow, based on ours.
The parallel is definitely apparent, and it feels good, too. I am curious as to whether or not we'll get more larger cities in Rinascita. There's mention of another location, probably south, but I forgot its name. I think an undercover Black Shores Bloom Bearer mentions it (along with some other interesting information). If I recall, I think he's around the Montelli quarters.
TBH while 1.0 is a slog, the terms are all pretty important. They show what are discords and fields, but for the rest it's just delivered very poorly. You can tell it's rushed (which is what they admitted, they rewrote the story in 6 months). After that it takes some time getting things back together so the quality increased gradually until 2.0, which is a leap that felt like they had time to flesh out. I think they might have wanted to do more character interactions and things like that in 1.x (they DID have interactions, people keep wanting to pretend Yangyang and Chixia never interacted, or Jinhsi and Changli, or Encore and Aalto. There just wasn't enough as the patches went on) but they were pressed for time due to rushing out 1.0 and have been playing catch up ever since.
IMO people pinpoint the dialogue with Zani as "yapping" or a slow point but she serves to flesh out the world a bit. This is how we do things in Ragunna. This is how Ragunnesi eat, in this particular way. This is the famous wine you've heard of. This is a saying we have, etc. Things like that which makes Ragunna have its own culture and tastes that make the world feel alive.
The entire story itself of 2.0 is definitely like a play. And what confirms that intention is Phrolova quoting some of Shakespeare's plays during the fight with Hecate.
The dark/gloomy post apocalyptic Jinzhou makes sense since it's one of the front lines against the effects of the Lament. Recently reclaimed and rebuilt. Nature dominating some areas except for areas where the discords dominate. I like that we have a variety of locales and biomes. I'm looking forward to more. The level of technology and state of the world shows that they can do anything. They can have a country be like Venice, but another be like Chernobyl. A city like Lauterbrunnen and another like Chongqing, etc. I'm looking forward to what they have in store, especially if they pulled off something like 2.0.
PS: The three headed bird isn't part of the Lorelei Challenge. It's location is just an unfortunate coincidence.
I don't think anything I said is in direct contrast to anything said here.
1.0s terms are important, but to a new player, they're equally nonsensical. It's a classic case of "telling" the player without adequately "showing" the player, and it brings the pacing to a virtual halt.
The interactions between the 1.0 characters exist, but not to the same extent, especially during the main quest, as the 2.0 cast.
Jinzhou's setting isn't a bad thing; it is just contrasted by the setting of Rinascita. The contrast brings out the beauty of Rinascita more than it simply being on its own would.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG No no I'm not fighting you or trying to contrast you at all lol. Just a very long post instead of just saying "I agree!"
@@Etherwinter Ah, my bad, lol.
Wuwa 2.0 was so great, it made requestion the reasons behind why I was playing other games. Basically, if you play a game, it must make you feel good whilst you play it.
Rinascita is definitely allowing people to experiencing something refreshing with WuWa. There really is so much joy in exploring and interacting with everything in the region.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG it reminded me of hogwarts legacy's exploration for some reason. It's really good.
@@lucasrocha174 I've never played that to know anything about it, but I'll assume that it's a good thing to be compared to.
I imagine montelli family for rinascita, is like samsung owner's family to south korea.
Not a good guy per se, but not necessarily a bad guy either as they are needed in the economy.
They want to keep the status quo for their own benefit.
Well, as Carlotta's Story Quest suggests, the Montellis don't want to keep the status quo; that's the main motive behind that quest's central conflict. They want to change the current order of Rinascita, but they, according to Carlotta, just don't want to be new leaders or anything like that. They just want to break from the grip of the Order.
It isn't inherently a bad thing for the writing to be this way; I just don't find it overly compelling for the background of a mafia family.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG Ah, i guess i missed that.
I was only thinking about the economic side of things.
Iirc, montelli allow everyone use the terminal, but exclusively hold the technology secret, also hold the manufacture and distribution rights. A little bit like telecomunication company, with the 4/5G tower, if only one company own the rights.
@ They have the rights and secrets to the personal terminals in Rinascita, yeah. But I see keeping those rights as more of a common business practice than anything else. They also own 50% of the nation's wealth in their banks and vaults, and that I can't believe could be possible with unsavory means, but such is never truly explored.
your time will come, this video.
One can only hope. I don't think I've seen anyone really try to break down Rinascita comprehensively before, so I wanted to try it with this.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG i suppose i will be able to give you my full respond once i can watch this video in full - which i have to stop because i've yet to finish the 2.0 main story. but i salute your effort. truly. do you feel like TH-cam and/or general content creating space moves too slow, too lacking in reaction to a more in depth content such as this video?
@@MagisterialVoyager Hmm, assuming that I understand your question, I think TH-cam is probably the best platform for video reactions. Granted, I guess just writing a massive blog post or something would work, but being able to show what I am talking about while discussing it is a boon. Attention is always hard to get and retain in people, so I try to make my videos as snappy as I can, but, naturally, not everyone will stay watching.
In terms of engagement and views, I'm used to not getting much for my videos, so as long as a few people like yourself enjoy it, then I'm fine. Growth will come with time and consistency.
@ i was generally referring to the dramatic, click bait-y energy of youtube and comparing it to the slow behemoth that is the academia. when i was doing my postgrad in creative industries, the materials are "old" but it's just 5 years old, roughly. helpful, resourceful, but still feels old in the speed that is the internet and video forms in general. props on you for making more reflective video. i try to support more "slow cooked" video as much as possible when i can because we cannot all do .exe videos and not step back from time to time to digest.
@@MagisterialVoyager OH! That makes more sense. Yeah, I'll admit, I'm not fond of the "click-baity" stuff. Obviously, to some extent, people do have to "play the game" of TH-cam, but if I say something in the title or thumbnail, I try to make sure that what is in there is as accurate to what is advertised as possible. I think it's easier to deliver on stuff like that with video essays than other forms of TH-cam videos.
But yeah, a full-blown academic analysis on something in WuWa would be cool, too.
Rinascita surpassed all my expectations. I skipped every single part of 1.X story, but I was hooked with Rinascita. It really set the bar for me.
It really has done so well. The story is much better paced.
The game keeps getting better and better over each patch, and it's a very good thing. Stagnant water got polluted, and games are like that too. And Wuwa's limited characters are balanced pretty well too. ( I feel like scamed with Ellen and her W.E when Miyabi released, and Harumasa soon became Alloy with NEW Anby drip marketing - heavily powercreeped even thou these two games release only 2 weeks apart)
The Nightmare Echoes help to bring the older Echo sets that some characters still use up to par with the newer sets.
I would like to see more 4-star Characters, though. WuWa is lacking those badly.
Probably the best review analysis of wuwa 2.0 ive watched so far. Banger video.
Thanks! I'm glad that you like it. Rinascita definitely deserved a comprehensive analysis for why it is so good.
Wuwa 2.0 reignited my love of an open world gacha. I dropped Genshin at 5.0, hsr, and was about to drop Wuwa. I gave it a chance because new region just like I did with Natlan. I was completely blown away. The story, VA’s, the beautiful region, so many references to Freiren, Elden Ring, Witcher, not to mention the cut scenes. It was a completely different game compared to 1.0 version. Wuwa 1.0 to me felt like it has no identity. It was all over the place just like its theme ost. It’s forgettable. Wuwa ost did improved a lot on 1.3 with Shorekeeper with the Nier reference.
WuWa 1.0 wasn't bad or anything, but it definitely felt like a rushed course-correction in response to the Beta. We still have no real story behind Danjin, Yuanwu, or Calcharo. 2.0 has really helped in bringing things together, and it's really only the beginning of Rinascita's story.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG 1.0 have so much info dump, if it wasn't for good qol, combat, and skip button, i would have dropped it long ago. Skip button is the mvp here lol. But now, I never touch skip button in 2.0. i'm really invested in the story now and the good music direction enhanced it immensely. I find myself looking for my headphone first before playing wuwa now. I just 100% the map and finished both Carlotta and the recent Roccia's companion quest. There's so much attention to details. What a great experience.
@@justanotherguy3294 2.0 really has much better pacing.
6:36 I DIDNT REALIZE WE RUSH UP TO HUG ABBY??? My goat, I love this little man sm. He does so much for us
Abby is a good little beach ball, indeed. I don't find him/her (not really sure which, but I think that's by design) to be annoying or anything. Abby's character feels more endearing than anything.
Rinascita is indeed a successful update 🙌✨
It's the best update yet, and hopefully it keeps improving going forward, too.
Good analysis. A breath of fresh air needed.
Thank you! I hope to be able to do other videos like this in the future. It sometimes feels hard to do because I'm never sure if I'm really adding anything to the conversation (especially for Character Trailers and such). But I knew that I had to do this one. I just really wanted to talk about Rinascita.
One thing you must understand is that here it feels very good that the story revolves around Rover, since, unlike other protagonists, Rover is literally GOD, a strong enough character that is not minimized by other characters, even by Sentinels, Trenodians and their resonators, different would have been that the prota is a burden for the story and this depended on other secondary characters with better position.
It makes sense if presented well. 1.0 doesn't really present that well. It isn't really until 1.1 that we get to understand Rover's overall importance in everything.
I mentioned in reply to another comment more details on what I think Kuro was going for and why it makes sense but just isn't executed well in 1.0.
The biggest problem with the pacing in just about every game or movie is that we've conditioned ourselves to not be able to pay attention to something for longer than the average youtube short, tiktok or similar content.
Our brains demand something fresh every 30 seconds. It's both interesting and frightening to see.
I don't really agree with that. Do people have shorter attention spans? Generally, yes, but poor pacing can exist regardless. I've had to read some slow-burn books before but didn't entirely think the pacing was awful. What makes 1.0's pacing so poor is the opening exposition dumps. These make the opening few acts a case of "telling" instead of "showing," and regardless of attention spans, that's poor writing and story-telling. Kuro has gotten a lot better at "showing" in subsequent updates, especially 2.0.
This kind of analysis is quiet good; While the other is comparing wuwa 2.0 vs other gacha 5.3 patch, you're here calmly comparing the 1.x vs 2.0 patch of wuwa itself, which something worth of comparison. Because we all know that the 1.x patch is kinda, yeah.
My livestream comparison video was more due to the fact that both livestreams happened only a day apart from each other. I believe that I even mention in the stream that a more equitable comparison would have been 5.0 vs 2.0, but 5.0 was a bit outdated by then.
And I do think that comparing the two is fine when done constructively.
But yes, this video is focused entirely on WuWa itself since it is about WuWa's success with Rinascita. Nothing else. 2.0 is a giant step forward for WuWa.
I didn't know abt the damage mark details they get when they fight. What the hell!!! 2.0 even became more enjoyable for me right now
Yeah. It's crazy little details like these that are amazing.
I’ve down all the quest in 3 days…. Now I am finally doing the in game content. 😂
I still have quite a few World Quests to get down. And now Roccia's Story Quest is out, too. I'll probably have to stream that this weekend or something, lol.
@ tbh, i don’t even know the story of wuwa. I literally skipped every cut scene.
At WuWa’s base, it was a good game, but it was new so it didn’t have a TON of content. For me, Rinacita definitely solved that problem and it’s now my favorite region.
Hopefully more long-term and permanent content keeps getting added.
On the topic of VAs, they fixed a lot of issues with 1.X PGs in particular YangYang and Yinlin
Not sure what was wrong with Yangyang other than that she talked a lot.
1.0 Rover was hilariously monotonous, though.
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You were, indeed, here.
The only time when I'm not happy of Kuro's listening is when they decided to remove the "dark" story element from the CBT, after the beta tester complain about it. Jinzhou used to have a much darker theme, where Rover have to proof that they were not a bad guy. Chixia used to hate Rover for not protecting Yangyang during the crownless fight, which led Yangyang getting heavily injured.
Taoqi was supposed to detain rover upon their arrival at the Jinzhou gate. Cumolonimbus and Danjin were supposed to appear in the main story, but were removed because they were apparenty task to kills exiles or fractsidus.
Yeah it's ruin 1.0 experience, story didn't flow well & some character got forgotten meanwhile in PGR kuro didn't hold back with their writing & it's truly peak
I'm fine uf they retcon some parts of the story in 1.0 to ensure a better story and experience for players who are just starting out with the game. I just hope old players can teplay the story to make the changes more impactful.
I really do think that I need to look into the original CBT story more. I get the feeling that Kuro pivoted too far in adjusting to feedback too quickly with that one, but I'd need to look into it.
@ I have heard that PGR can be dark, so I am hoping that some of that comes into WuWa from time to time.
The entire story doesn't need to be dark, but certain parts would benefit from it. This is a post-apocalyptic world, after all.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG actually i kinda glad that it not too dark because in CBT lot of thing it look not make sense and everyone treat Rover like a douchebag even Rover help them it super hostility and too much edgy and sone quest is not even connect to story at all but then it seem they tone down too much and make 1.0 is bit bland but again that is just Prolouge we can see that Kuro already improve bit by bit on both QoL and story even some said it already better at around 1.3- 1.4 but 2.0 is just peak of Wuwa
Ohhh yeah... the nightmare-level enemy in all gacha games 'YapYap' No mortal deserves its torturous methods. :(
I like Yangyang, but they really did just present her as an exposition dump kind of character in the early updates.
Oakheart Court was my favourite are by far. Not only massive Elden Ring vibes, but the lore of the are amd Lifer, movie references, philosophy and existential questions there... aimply chef's kiss
It was a cool area. The Lifer was... a thing. All of those buffs, lol.
5:15 Personally, I don't really care about gray morale or other, even something as good as LotR is straight up good vs bad. And fortunately, we will learn about Fisalia family in the next iteration of the story, as per the end of act 3.
Two feuding mafia families isn't really the same, thematically, as an allegorical tale like LotR, though. Neither family should be objectively "good." The Montelli's control roughly half of the entire nation's wealth. One does not achieve that level of power via "good" means.
And the entire story of Rinascita doesn't inherently need to be morally grey. I simply wanted more depth with the two families, especially in Carlotta's Story Quest.
And this may seem somewhat unrelated, but not having certain characters, like Fenrico, have the same level of design as playable characters gives away some of plot. Did anyone really believe that he is the Sentinel's actual Resonator? A cursory glance alone would say otherwise. Doing the same thing with the Fisalia's tends to give away the story a bit. But these are just minor nitpicks, hence why not all of them made it into the video.
But it is fine if you prefer a more morally clear story. Those have their value and can be well-written, too.
And, considering that this story is meant, to some extent, to be a "fairy tale," there likely will be clearer moral divides. Granted, Phrolova's lines about there being "no happy ending" and no "script" and all of that does raise some concerns, but either choice would work for the overall narrative of the story.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG Yeah, I understand you. I guess my wording is too short and I don't fully get what you meant at the video about depth. It's just my personal take about enjoying something and not thinking too much. And what I want to be the main point of the comment is we will learn more about fisalia family later down the line, that's all. Let's see what the story tells us later. Great video, btw.
@@Dee-jd8vc Learning more about the Fisalias will definitely be good.
I want to learn why Rosemary Fisalia isn't playable, lol. Her design is so good.
nice review. kuro cooked 2.0 real good 😊
Thank you! Kuro really did an amazing job, and hopefully they keep it up going forward.
Rinascita coming out during Natlans cycle is so funny to me 😭it’s like black mirror with Natlan being complete ass in every department, and Rinascita EXCELING
Rinascita is really good. We'll see how it goes in future updates. Hopefully they can keep it up going forward.
2.0 is what genshin impact used to be in terms of fun with world exploration.
2.0 just offers so much. I really hope that Kuro can keep it up. They've set a high bar with this one.
Dude just yesterday, i was playing around during Oakheart court when I got a cutscene and that's when I knew I stumbled upon something and even entering the maze, I was scared of what I could encounter and upon seeing the Lifer and playing that game was BONKERS. Lifer and the Construct are proof that Rinascita is rich in lore and love because I could've unlocked the maze and got a chest in the middle and went abt my day, but they went the extra mile and gave you a reason to stay and play which I loveeeeeeeee. Honestly, I hope they don't drop the ball on Ragunna as a whole cause I'll be sad abt that
I don't suspect that 2.1 will be as amazing in terms of new things as 2.0, but I'm sure that they'll at least maintain this level of quality leading into then another massive upgrade for 3.0 half a year from now.
I usually never read invoiced dialogue, but for rinascita i read every world quest and the phoebe quest. 2.0 just hit differnet.
They did really well on making the world quests enjoyable.
18:39 i didnt even notice that. I guess reason for that is me with lowest possible settings lmao.
Yeah, this game has a lot of little details that might not show on lower settings, sadly.
5:18 If anyone thinks the Fisalia family is evil, it means Kuro nailed their plot. They seem to intentionally make players think that way, but if you dig a bit deeper - not even too far, just by talking to Rosemary the apothecary (since she's also from the Fisalia family) - you'll realize it's not as simple as it seems.
I'm well aware that Rosemary is a Fisalia, and there are some characters that mentions that not all of the Fisalias are bad, but that is the same as saying that just because Capollo exists, the Montellis aren't presented as the "good" family.
It's a matter of presentation. In every interaction with the Fisalias in the main quest and Carlotta's story quest, they are presented as an objective antagonist.
Will they likely get a redemption arc? Yes. But the presentation of both families is in a binary style that lacks nuance so far.
Checked out the moment you mentioned glazing. I'm a bit tired of this point of contention.
Sorry but even the greatest epics and acclaimed literary masterworks have "glazing" of characters just because they exist.
At least in the case of Rover he was a prophesized figure of legend, a leader and shaper of CIVILIZATIONS who's lived for who knows how fucking long not to speak of his/her good looks and martial prowess.
Read some Dune or greek literature as a primer if you want to know what true, "unearned" glazing looks like.
Nah I still don't like how any other character treats rovers in unnaturally friendly manner, except Camellia who's just inappropriate perv. However, I must say extreme glazing was toned down a bit in 2.0 which is a good thing
@@nagasolaire8462 I agree to some extent. While i can see where you're coming from with Camellia being an inappropriate perv i have a different angle but let's just agree to disagree (post too long already).
100% agree on the glazing being toned own in 2.0 but understand this is mostly a result of Rover being mostly unknown there; In Huanglong people were expecting you as an augured, prophezised saviour written in legends and you delivered. Same with Black Shores.
Also while it's true that's been toned down a bit in 2.0 i don't regard it as a good or a bad thing, it's just an expression of said different circumstances. Thanks for reading my wall of text. Cheers and glad you enjoyed the plot a but more this time around.
I don't recall ever saying the word "glazing" in my entire life outside of talking about doughnuts.
Also, I have a degree in literature, so I've more than read Greek classics. But there's a slight issue with that comparison: in theory, no one knows that "Rover" is the same person as whoever used to be this grand "shaper of civilizations" outside of a select few people. I suspect that Jinhsi knew and sent Yangyang and Chixia to collect Rover, and that explains their initial trust and liking towards Rover, despite it being poorly presented. Naturally, the Black Shores knew by the end of that arc, at least the important people in the organization.
Rinascita doesn't know. Carlotta invited "a member of the Black Shores" as a "valued trade partner." She didn't specifically invite "Rover"; Shorekeeper just took that as a good opportunity to send Rover to investigate Abby's condition. This explains why only a select few people even recognize Rover in Rinascita (Fulmine from the Pioneering Association recognizes Rover, but that makes sense since he's basically a journalist and Rover has done tasks for the Association. Rover is simply known as "the legendary Rover" for the deeds done after reawakening, not prior.).
Until Rover's true role is fully revealed, the only people who should be in awe of Rover are those who already know what Rover used to be or know of Rover's deeds as "Rover."
Also, as I mentioned in one of the comments around here, I never found many of the 1.X characters as obsessed with Rover as many others in the community did. My statement in the video about characters fawning over Rover is more of a reflection of the general community's opinion at large.
Indeed. Only Carlotta is "flirty" with Rover in 2.0 so far.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG About glazing: 3:23. As someone with a degree in literature i'm confident you're familiar with metonyms.
With that out of the way your 2nd to 4th paragraphs are just by degrees agreeing with my reply to *nagasolaire up there so i you can consider them addressed. Please refer to it if you need to contextualize my stance, we are mostly in agreement no need to go any more granular on it as far as i'm concerned but i'm welcome to any challenge on my views.
As for your overall take on this particular subject i concede that maybe i was too busy and therefore quick to conclude your stance and dismiss you out of fatigue with the criticism at hand. I value the time you took to set the record straight, i gave it a second chance and you're quite measured in your analysis and you earned a new sub. Cheers.
I think the music is 50% of the power of 2.0
Music is a very powerful part of any story presentation or gameplay experience. While I think that Rinascita can stand on its own, the music definitely brings out so much more with it.
There is this part of Rinascita that reminds me of Limgrave
Not sure what Limgrave is.
@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG The place with giant golden tree
Loved the update, it made me really enjoy playing it and want more, few games do that nowadays. It really reminded me of exploring the worlds of Xenoblade Chronicles 2 or getting lost in the beauty of Toussaint.
Tho, as much as I love Rinascita and how it looks, I would still recommend anyone who plays on PC to use Nvidia filters to crank up the colors and sharpen the image, the game looks absolutely magnificent if you play with the filters a bit.
2.1's livestream is in a few days, so let's hope they can keep up the good work.
I think everyone pretty much agreed that 2.0 is great. The only thing that I personally want to see improvement with is the main plot. So far wuwa follows genshin template with big region update = separate story (overall). Lemme explain - lets say you watch Game of Thrones - you may have different stories each season but they all interconnected - everything from past season leads directly to the new one, all involved parties continue to be present in the story and they continue to be a part of ongoing story. In wuwa, same as in genshin we have separate region every update and then we just leave it behind. Its hard to explain but I want to see some global story, not just a number of separate stories, in which we participate because of non obvious reasons. E.g. the only reason we go to Rinascita because we need to check on Abby's issues, but other than that we dont have reasons to go there. We could stay in Jingzhou because thete no global goal/situation that we follow
This will likely be an issue exacerbated by the overall premise behind Rover: the amnesia. Abby's condition is the current catalyst for going to Rinascita, but after that, assuming that it is resolved, then the next more likely motive is just traveling to regain one's memories. This was why we went to the Black Shores, after all. Perhaps in the future, the various stories will begin to converge, but I have my doubts of that happening until very close to the end.
It's just natural for Rinascita to have a separate story from Jinzhou they're 2 completely different regions with different cultures, that's just common sense but that doesn't mean the devs have completely abandoned the original story. We're still on the right track, that's the reason Rover and Abby visited Rinascita in the first place, they have a mission there. They will tie the story together, we're just not at that point of the Rinascita story yet, we're only halfway through it. We will soon meet the Sentinel so expect more lore that have more to do with Rover and Solaris 3.
Hey there's even good cartel and bad cartel so it doesn't really that far fetched lol
"Good" and "bad" are quite relative in real world comparisons. But we'll see where Kuro takes things in future updates.
Rinacity remind me if nier and it make me depressed everytime i sit idles
I've never played Nier to be able to comment.
Just imagine how they’ll introduce The New Federation 😭, idk what region we’ll go to next besides that since I haven’t found a clue to what the other regions are called.
There is a Black Shores Bloom Bearer in Ragunna who mentions a southern region of Rinascita. I would assume that said region will be introduced in a couple of updates first.
The New Federation is possibly after that. I'm just curious as to the style of the region. I would like to see something like the past Port City of Guixu, the version that we are presented briefly in Shorekeeper's story quest from 1.3. A truly massive metropolitan space (think of a city that is virtually half the entire region or something) would be pretty unique for a game like this.
I only realised this just now while watching this, but rinascita truly reminds me of dressrosa arc from one piece, the only difference is rinascita is TIMES better and not one bit boring
I've never seen One Piece to know, but Rinascita definitely has a lot in it to keep it from being boring.
Rinasita proves that gacha games can be real games. If these developers truly tries, I believe gacha games could stomp every other games in term of open world exploration. Flying being introduced is an in open invitation for other developers to try and implement new traversing methods, that is NOT LOCKED behind characters. I spent the first 5 hours of the patch trying to do the main quest, but got so distracted by all the insanely well made places and scenaries, so I only managed to get through act 1 after 5 hours lmao. Some people might not know this, but certain locations will look different depending whether it is day or night, which blew my mind away the first time I discovered it 😂 the music is absolutely beautiful too! I mean, I can go on and on but people probably gets it by now. Wuthering waves is simply a game that has gacha in it.
The details for exploring are all over in Rinascita. They did a great job on making the exploring the best part.
While I agree that the 1.0 storyline was not the best, even below average, I genuinely believe that people should not lump in 1.1 and 1.3 storyline with it. The 1.1 and 1.3 storylines were actually great and showed great improvements from 1.0.
1.1 and 1.3 are improvements, yes. Granted, both of those updates' stories are also more compact, so it's easier to make their pacing better.
And I do mention towards the end that Kuro had been improving with each update, a fact that culminates in the 2.0 update.
Absolute mamma mia
MAMMA MIA!
WuWa - gets better with each update
Genshin - gets more boring with each update
WuWa is only going to keep improving. Let's hope the next update keeps the momentum going.
my only complaint is that after meeting carlotta, rover become almost like a spectator while Kurogames shoves carlotta down the player's throat, until the beginning of the final act
I understand that they need to sell the character, but that was a bit too much, especially when carlotta meet the player again at fool's base after supposedly "betraying" rover to avoid the church prosecuting the monteli family. It felt like her earlier act had less of a consequences. Would be cool if she helped from the shadow instead.
Overall i would rate it 8/10
WAY better overall main story than previous version.
Great environment design, and not making things excessively big and empty.
some things i would like to be improved in future version:
level design still a bit empty and sparse, (treasure spots are a bit too similar) but wings really helped forget about it.
160 asterites instead of 1 standard pull from gold chest
I am fine with Rover taking more of a backseat. The opening arc of a region's story doesn't have to be about Rover. I'm fine with the characters taking things into their own hands and Rover playing more of a supporting role. After all, Rover will still play the main role in the long run.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG fair if you like it. I feel like they put other character on the spotlight far better. I don't care about brant nor roccia before the story, but after the storyu i'm very interested in both of them (brant is cool af in the final arc), it's the opposite effect for me on carlotta. Maybe i was expectiong that we became like a duo rather than errand boy, the character quest did it better imo
@@rmattoali Brant and Roccia definitely got better with the story. Roccia, especially, became far more interesting after going through the main story.
I hope baldemort react to this banger xd
I don't know who that is, but sure, lol.
Tbh I liked Black Shores better,but that's just my opinion,I can see why Rinascita is considered better,it does have more life to it after all and the world feels more alive,but Black Shores is more like an intimate story rather than a world exploring story
The Black Shores is also likely to be a more contained story, as well. Rinascita's story is just beginning, so the first update is just the opening for what's to come.
It was unfortunate to be witnessing this masterpiece of a video belatedly, and it isn’t a surprise that your analysis is nothing short of exceptional, Sausage man! Where do I even begin? It is obvious that your video was thoughtfully planned and executed. If one were to play this video like one plays a podcast, the enjoyment it brings would be just as profound as watching it-thanks to its comedic yet beautiful cinematography. I love the parodical aspect as well. In my opinion, one of the most agreeable points you made was the betterment of the pacing in Rinascita’s main story. While playing it felt like not only did it feel more engrossing but more engaging for the player. I could go on and on about it. Truly thank you for saying what other content creators couldn’t with this video. It brought a smile to my face to see a relevant Wuwa video that wasn’t targeted toward character builds.
Wow, thanks for that. I'm glad that you liked it so much. Indeed, a lot of work and thought went into really trying to pinpoint everything that made Rinascita stand out and be successful. The story was such an important part, too. I wish that I didn't have to include some spoilers in there, but it's hard to analyze it without doing that, lol.
I’m mean the good and bad mafia familia reminds me of reborn if you know you know
I do not know, lol.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG Lol, It's an anime called Hitman Reborn. It's a boy who will become the next head of the mafia Familia, but it's a good Mafia familial in away lol
So happy for you PC guys, especially those with sweet SS-level rigs. On mobile, we're forced to play on Ultra Performance mode, 24fps, 240p resolution that makes it look like a thick layer of Vaseline was laid all over the screen. It's funny when talk to an NPC and all you see of their faces are air brushed lines like some spray-painted smiley face. It's like talking to a thumb with shoulders. Then there's the horrible, nightmarish lag, frequent server kicks despite good ping. And that's not even a potato device lol So yeah, so happy for you PC Master Race guys, the only people along with whales the devs ever listen to. They should stop including mobile player numbers on their quarterly reports, honestly.
My PC is over six years old. It is hardly "SS."
I also have a friend who plays on mobile perfectly fine (I've even played on her phone briefly). While what you are saying may be your experience, it certainly is not universal. The performance in the game has vastly improved over these past few months, and it will likely continue to improve. My only concern is with just how large the game is. Gacha games practically need an entire drive dedicated to them.
I don't specifically agree with Montelli being 'good' - we have been shown and it has been said by grandpa Montelli "Blood for blood, life for life". They are not good but they are progressive - the thing current Rinacita needs. The Fisalias are also not 'bad' per se, they've just chosen to align themselves with the Order and the Order works with the Fraxidus to keep its (at the moment a bit shaky) hold on the region. The Fisalias have just chosen to align with those they think will help them achieve what they want - to get rid of the Montellis.
I think the only reason we perceive the Montellis as the 'good side' is because we, as outsiders, see that Rinacita needs the freedom and change to advance forward, while the Order tries to keep its hold and for that to happen, the region must remain stagnant and isolated. Why do you think they have removed all older books and materials from all of Ragunna after the cloud sea engulfed part of the region?
Everything that the Montelli family has done (note the "family," not just one-off people) has aligned with the betterment of Rinascita. Carlotta makes its clear that the family is concerned about the well-being of the people of Rinascita. Their actions are presented in the story as noble and generous. On the contrary, the story presents the Fisalias as greedy and arrogant (there are NPC interactions about them and with them during the main quest that express this).
This isn't about where each family stands regarding Rinascita, it's about how each family is presented to the player. There is an immediate alignment with the Montellis, and there is no real hesitation or questioning of this. This lacks nuance that would make both families feel more compelling. Sure, there's the "blood for blood" that is seen in Carlotta's trailer, but is avenging wronged family a "bad" thing? Would not anyone do that if they had the means? Everything with the Montellis as a whole is presented in a favourable light to the player, and that is where there is a lack of nuance.
let them cook
i will not cope and speculate on their game like i did on that game
Let's hope that Kuro can keep up the good work and maintain this high standard.
Agreed!! 💯
Speaking of the localization, I still don't understand why they kept calling it improv comedy during the stage segments 😅
I think the only voice acting miss I encountered was a kid during Roccia's companion quest, come to think of it.
They may be referring to "comedy" in the traditional sense that they do improv plays that end happily.
remember guys there are 2 W in wuwa
Big Ws.
Brant where are you??!!
Brant was just the friends we made along the way.
Brant is going to be in the next update, I'm pretty sure. They already marketed him on Twitter, so he's coming soon.
Can you please link the songs. I made a mistake in turning off in game audio.
Thank you
All of the songs, other than the one during the Teddy Bear scene (that one is "It Has to Be This Way" from the Metal Gear Rising: Revengence OST), are from Rinascita. Most, if not all of them, can be found and then played back with the Song Player Echo. The only exception, I think, is "A Fairy Tale," the song that plays during the reveal of Rinascita's landscape. If you type that into TH-cam's search bar, you'll definitely find it and likely a lot of the others in the related section.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG thank you
I don't agree with you on that point. When it comes to limited 5 stars the rover is glazed way too much. Also the secondary quest makes me believe the fisalia aren't that bad. They just are clinging too much to traditions which comes colluding with the montelli's agenda.
The Fisalia part is worth investigating more. Carlotta's quest shows a collusion between The Order and a member of the Montelli family.
It does not necessarily show a collusion between the Fisalias and the Montellis.
Now, we do know that The Order and the Fisalias are on the same side, but how much influence did the Fisalias have in this case? Also, in this alliance, who is the dominant power? The Fisalias have been on Rinascita since its founding, so did they bring The Order into power and use them? Or does The Order have more control over the Fisalias (as the interaction between Gilberto and Alesso implies)? The power dynamic probably needs to be looked into more, and it will likely become more apparent later on in the main story.
In regards to the treatment of Rover, I do think that the term "glazing" needs a very specific definition here since it isn't actually the term I used in the video. I specifically used the word "fawning," a word that implies a much more intimate interaction. "Glazing," as far as I am aware, can be far more general than that and even simply apply to being overly complimentary towards someone. I don't think those are the same things, and that is likely why my views may not fully align with others' in this regard.
My only gripe is how phrolova was not present enough imo. Made the finale feel random
If I were to write it. She would have made herself present to them at the start to taunt. Then they know the flowers are her calling card specifically instead of the fractsidus in general
I'm sure that we'll see more of her in the future.
I really liked how Cristoforo was able to be found everywhere.
He's even at the Vault if you look around. It really reminded me of "Professor Alba" from Trails in the Sky. And it was one of the major reasons why I was instantly suspicious of Cristoforo here, lol.
@ I don't know if that really fits her character, though. She just like to "conduct" the performance while watching how it all plays out.
I do feel that they could have done the flower thing a bit better. The Fisalia guy was a bit too rash with them.
3:48 in japanese dub nothing changes, you're saying this based in only one voice language. Also, characters down fawn over Rover in Rinascita? Lol, people are so delusional.
The only character who could be considered as "fawning" over Rover out of the main cast is Carlotta, and that's mostly by the end of her Story Quest.
The one camera guy is certainly a fan, but that's just because he knows what Rover has done before in Jinzhou, so that seems warranted.
In regards the the VO work, what I say still applies. It is a touch of characterization for Brant's character. Just because the vocal direction of the other languages didn't add that in doesn't invalidate the fact that it is present in the English VO for the character.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG dont worry, there are more coming, more 3 or 4 female characters that will "fawn" over Rover in Rinascita. It soon will break people's delusions with the game, these people (you included) forget gacha games are primarily waifu collectors. I often see people mischaracterize, misinterpret and doompost 1.x female characters stories just to fit their agenda or narrative against "the Rover glazing/harem", and you're not too far off.
This channel's name reminds me with the Genshin TCG that I hate and I always suggest to make a separate game (when I still care about the game)
Yet they always waste their energy on adding new cards and revamping the cards
Well, I am more known for TCG videos, but I've wanted to branch out into other things for a good while now.
@@SausageGenshinTeapotTCG stay strong if you get hate messages, the conflict between these 2 games is tense lately
@@rolandmclovin1499 I'll survive. I play both, after all, lol.
I really love rinacista the atmosphere,charecters,vibes,story everything it was remind me so much of Fontaine.
My only PROBELM that also ties into Fontaine and it’s not even a PROBELM just a personal nitpick is that the new charecters specifically my queen Carlotta’s best artifact set is behind the region so I can’t prefarm for her like at all It makes sense but still sucks to me personally(same PROBELM I had when I couldn’t prefarm for clorindes artifacts)😭🙏
The way I rushed so hard to get Carlotta's materials the SECOND I got to Rinascita.
Thankfully, the ability to jump to bosses before having unlocked them is here. That is a nice little feature that I didn't get to talking about in the video.
@ real😭🙏
wrong, you can farm those artifacts, click on what you want to farm and it will give you the option to temporarily go to that boss and only that boss, you can't leave the area so you aren't fully spoiled, unlike in Genshin, you would have to travel from Liyue, then Fontaine then Sumeru then Natlan if you had pulled a Natlan character and completely locked if you summoned for an Inazuma character
so this game is bascially free AAA game ? 😂
To be honest, a lot of people would probably say that with Rinascita.
While I don't feel that the story has quite reached into JRPG territory or anything just yet, all of the other features are what one may expect to see in some AAA games. Granted, have AAA games, by industry standards, really been that impressive of late? I just think that what WuWa is providing is what players want for a good game, regardless of genre or status.
Bro sounds like saintontas fr
I have no idea who that is, so I'll just quote Zani and say "Should I thank you for that?" 😆
Yangyang voice in 1.x was totally off-putting. It wasn't relaxing. It feels like invasive ASMR. Too sweet, too fake.
It definitely felt like ASMR. I liked her voice well enough, but the ASMR quality was unexpected at first.
This 2.0 update really is a wake up call for me for how badly treated I was playing genshin and how amazing it felt when your opinions are actually respected. Plus you can tell how much the devs love their game just by looking at how polished everything is 🥹
Kuro certainly showcased their passion for the game in this update for sure.