So, is Throne and Liberty worth playing, to those of you who have invested tons and tons of hours into the game? What do you all think? Hopefully this little adventure into the game did it justice, but that's for you all to decide. Checking out Warhammer: Return of Reckoning next on this MMO adventure! Also, if you thought the shirt I was wearing looked cool, you can check it out here: tinyurl.com/ya4498xp
As a pvp main I’m loving it.. there are some bad things like the lake of abyss tokens for open world dungeons and p2w but if you understand how to make money f2p isn’t bad at all
Super excited to see your experience with Return of Reckoning! I played the original as a kid and just recently started on the server! But regardless, this was an excellent video!
I actually don't agree to the pay2win thing (so far maybe?). I progress very well and the few times, where I was clearly too weak for an area, I just came back to that 5-6 hours later with better stats and equipment I found or leveled somewhere else.. I joined a guild and do stuff with them, but mostly I roam around by myself and enjoy being an adventurer. I did not think, it could catch me so good. So in the end, it is a good game and it is free. There are other games of this kind, which seem to be better, but they cost more money for sure. My personal critic would be, that there are those events, where you have to wait for 3 hours (or longer, if you have to work, etc., off course) and sometimes it is not so clear, what you are supposed to do and you fail because of that and have to do it again, to finally clear that area. Like waiting 24 hours to collect 3 stupid seeds or sth. that is kind of annoying. But overall it is great.
2 things. I have 60 hours in T&L and the boosters you saw in the cash shop can only be purchased with a currency earned in the game by finding lore books. Second the little stuffed animal serves a purpose to later go on expeditions for you to gather materials. It also gathers loot so you don’t have to run and pick it up. There are two character boosting battle passes. Both are 10$ each.
@@Akaniyama buying wow tokens or raw gold then using that to pay for raid or mythic plus carries its literally wows most common form of p2w. I found out about people buying gold in legion, checked back recently and its still going on. Can get deals on multiple runs to 😂. But but but Wow has no p2w
Yea Throne is about as pay 2 win as WoW is. You don't have to swipe you can play the game make currency and buy premium battle pass, cosmetics etc. Just like WoW. So think it's unfair to say it's pay 2 win as a negative since it's as pay 2 win as WoW.
@@WhatIfTheories it really isn't wow auction house isn't locked behind a premium currency also you can't really buy bis gear off the auction house as well as even know you can sell wow tokens in wow for gold it's alot easier to obtain gold in wow then the premium currency in TnL you get gold for doing anything single thing in wow while the premium currency is locked behind either paying with real money or selling items that are highly requested and hard to farm or get
@@Akaniyama The premium currency is obtainable in game very easily so no it's not locked. I have 3k lucent at the moment and it's an equivalent to 40+€ if I would have pay. 3 weeks of game, full F2P
No disrespect intended, but I think this video highlights how little playtime Nixxiom had in the game. For context, the p2w is not really in the shop, it's in the auction house. You purchase gear and traits using a currency you can purchase for real money. Nixxiom won't have seen this though in fairness as it doesn't unlock until lvl 40. IMO this is exactly the same p2w as WoW, as you can buy gear with gold and can purchase gold with real money. I think people are jumping on the band wagon a bit as it's an eastern mmo.
I would have to agree with this comment here, his video highlights the lack of knowledge from playing the game. You'll need more than 3 hours. Not to mention you can farm items that you can sell for premium currency
@@sct77 You can buy a wow token which you can use to gain gold and then use that gold to obtain power in some form. Yeah you cant buy mythic gear but you can certainly spend real money to boost a character in power to obtain better gear easier.
Played it 80 hours put in 20 dollars for level pass and battle pass, well worth it. Very fun. Most games in my Steam are sub 5 hours and i paid well above 20 dollars for those. Also if you played abit longer i got 2 items in dungeons that i "trait extracted" or in WoW terms "crafted an enchant velum by disenchanting the item onto the velum" sold it on AH and got around 450 lucent and another item i got 630 lucent for. So i already have made more money than i put into the game which is really nice. Bunch of smaller traits sold too, but it is a nice aspect to the game the way it is implemented, gives everybody a chance that grinds to hit it big on some item.
You have to hit lvl 50 and do few dungeons and world bosses and abys to trully have an opinion about this game. The game is pay to win in a sence that it has real money auction house but free to play players can make money selling items , it really isnt that bad. I dont mind it ,its like wow or Lineage 2 back in the day when people whispered you to send you money fornyiu to trade them an item. Game has too many good stuff i think most ppl wont mind the auction bcs of those , you can really play it to the fullest as freetoplay.
being a super casual gamer (33 dad of a newborn) Ive made enough lucent to buy both the lvling pack and battle pass with less than 2 hours a day since release. Are there people who drop thousands to get the best gear immediately, yes, do you need to, no. Its a KMMORPG and it requires a bit more grind than western equivalents. For a Free to play model i dont think they could have done a better job.
It should be noted that lucent (the premium currency) is obtainable (without spending real $$$) via selling trait extracts, lithographs and items on the auction house since it only costs sollant (gold) to list them on the auction house.
The time he spent editing this video is probably longer than the time he spent actually trying to play the game. Bro probably didn't even read the letter the amitoi left you behind.
He literally got past the tutorial and was like OK. I know this game well and I’m ready to make my official review even though I don’t know how any of the systems work and I have no idea what I’m talking about fully, but I’ll just wing it. I’m sorry, but this was frustrating. I like this guy but to play a game for three hours and give such bold statements is crazy.
It’s unfortunate a free game is getting criticized for monetization. It is pay to win for a brand new character but if you reach end game you’d see that there is a limit to how powerful you can become and a free to play player can achieve it granted with more time and effort. However, the experience you missed out on is the daily epic multi guild alliance battles where entire servers battle each other and usually have a common villain in the top guild alliance. Trying to bring them down through tactics, inter guild politics and much more. It’s crazy and your enemy can be your ally a week later all while building communities of core friends and thousands of real discord guilds and making new friends. It’s the closest feeling I’ve gotten to a true massive community since end game classic wow 40 man raids. But I’m talking 200 active people online on discord at once every night in epic battles getting better and better. That’s where it shines. You can’t pay to win that, you need to build the human element which is the most important and which is free. Basically what I’m saying is if you’re a millionaire and bought all the gear on AH you’d get owned by a ftp player that played in a Korean guild that knows what they are doing. This is a PvP MMO first. With pve elements (that are good) to get stronger for large scale pvp.
@@Flyntas for sure p2w but point is relationships and skill quickly become more important than gear. Also, you can make lucent, I make 100s$ worth of lucent from drops, traits and cooking per week. So a f2p player with a trader brain can also play or just sell on the AH and have the same advantage as a p2w player including skins. Or you win the lotto on a rare world boss drop with good trait, and you can make 300$-500$ worth of lucent instantly. So Its very dependent on the smarts and abilities, and yeah some luck, even financial savvy of each person.
Will say this: three hours isn't really enough. Start was soooo slow, but as I start filling out the purple gear and more weapon mastery skills, it's gotten very much smoother and combat becomes more satisfying. It's not tops, but it's a fun game. Just cannot even stand to even think about WoW at this point.
I gave it a chance today as well, I went in VERY skeptical because 1: it's made by NCSoft and usually they are outrageously pay to win 2: that this MMO has been rebuilt from the ground up *multiple times* so I went in thinking it would be extremely buggy. HOWEVER this game is probably the least pay to win MMO they have made, its surprisingly actually playable without spending a single dollar. I found the combat kind of clunky, but other than just that I had fun with exploration and learning the different mechanics. I also have yet to encounter a ground breaking bug. 7/10 it's free so I'd say give it a go if your bored and not super focused on any other MMOs right now.
there is no point to play endgame of this game without paying tbh, the level 50 experience is very good, even some open dungeons ect, but for those free to play players who try to grind the game, its just pointless
200hrs in T&L now the combat is a little clunky been play with a small guild of 40 people its been a good time. Pvp is ok if you aren't getting zerged down, small scale is fun if you have the right comp. Most important take away KNOW YOUR BUILD BEFORE YOU START
3 Hours is not enough time to test this game. I almost turned the video off there lol. You really need to go back. You didn't even unlock skill trees. That's like playing WoW and quitting before lvl 10. It took me about 20 hours to really love it and I think you have misunderstood that levelling "boost"...there are no boosts in the way you described.
You should probably play for more than 45 minutes before reviewing an MMO. Level 14 isn't even an hour of play. You can hit 50 in less than 8 hours easily.
“Can” is different than reading the text, exploring, playing the game rather than speed running. And most devs would be lucky if someone played their game for an hour. Nowadays you start a game and you decide if you want to keep playing it 20 minutes in. The first time I downloaded this game I uninstalled it 15 mins in. Came back gave it another shot, got to the title, never touched it again.
The big flying Whale is called "The Divine Beast" or short Giganrite. You can actually take a ride on it to mine rare ores. The Amitoi is a total style breaker, I agree on that. They are essentially there to provide a small heal, gather your loot and you can send "troops" of Amitoi on Expeditions to gather materials for you. "Lore Wise" they are explained as simple animated Toys. But I get why people are not liking them, they are a total style breaker, but there are also other Amitois you can choose (like skins). Edit: There is also no Level-Booster in the game. What you discovered was the Level-Pass. A similar system as the Battlepass where you just get some rewards during the leveling phase. For pay to win you don't look in the store but in the auction house which uses the premium currency. You can buy weapons directly with premium currency there. But the premium currency goes to a player that earned the weapon (minus 20% transaction fee) and the price is determined by the actual demand. The upgrade tokens within the shop are bought with a currency you earn by playing the game. Also you often get the currency after server maintenance.
The pink coins in the shop with which you buy the materials are earned ingame by everyone equally, they are not a p2w element at all. TH-camrs will play a game for a couple of hours and pass judgement. You have no understanding of the systems you are critiquing, they are way more complex than the average mmo. The p2w is only really present in the lategame when players can buy lategame items from eachother (mostly from the top guilds). At that point it's pretty much as p2w as wow, let's not make a surprised pikachu face about mythic boosts
It is fascinating how different the design and monetization philosophies are for FFXIV considering it is also an "eastern mmo". Of course they have taken a lot of inspiration from WoW but considering that Square Enix is infamous for their gacha p2w mobile games it is kind of a miracle that FFXIV is using the "better" business model even today.
better? lmao u having to pay every month to play a game is better them a free 2 play game? people just redact talking shit cause they think they opnion is right even when its clearly wrong never played wow official cause u have to pay to play and i think this is stupid what ever
People are just using this to fill a void in their heart for a real mmo without pay for power. Not a fan of the korean mmo vibe find it to not be very immersive feels like im playing somwthing on rails.
While I won't deny there is p2w in the game, it really only speeds up progression by a bit, I am fully f2p and fully geared, and saving lucent from things I am selling for when t2 drops. Only thing I have actually spent some money on was buying lucent for cosmetics. None of the lucent I actually bought went towards gear. Do have an alt though I run dungeons on for more drops to sell. I also did not buy early access. So while there is def p2w in the game as far as speeding up progression goes, as long as you are efficient with things, it's honestly not very difficult to gear as f2p.
There is a gear cap most people that have played from early access have already received it… it’s now about epic 300-400 player fights at bosses every night. Not even for the loot but for bragging rights. Then you loose the next night. The massive mmo pvp is unlike anything I’ve seen in a mmo. Maybe early days of wow is the only thing that comes close to the sheer number of players clashing.
There is a clear and definitive benefit to spending money on this game to have better stats and a better character. You can as a free to play player achieve those same levels but you will just have to spend more time. It's just like any game. Even Grand theft Auto. I can spend hours earning millions to buy that upgrade I need or I could just get a part-time job. Spend the 15 bucks spend an hour at work and make that. That does not make you a better player but it can make up for a lot. You can look at any game with monetary transactions. I don't care what it is if you pay $60 for the base game and buy expansions that cost money or if it's a subscription or whatever most games cost money whether they say it's free or not. Fortnite skins cost 20 bucks for an in-game skin, that's a real life outfit. There are people who are spending money on this game and still get s*** on because they just suck. You can play as a free-to-play player and compete.
WoW is just as pay 2 win as Throne. So when you say pay 2 win I think we should be fair in the comparison. In Throne and Liberty I've sold items that I've farmed and made Lucent and then bought the premium battle pass. I've been able to attain the store cosmetics by playing the game. Just like in WoW when I log into TWW I can farm and buy a WoW token and pay for my sub. In WoW you can buy a level boost, gold, in game GDKP you name it and that is after buying the game. Is Throne pay 2 win? Sure but every MMO is today so how much of a pay 2 win matters. You don't have to swipe. It's actually really nice you can just play the game and actually get all the cool toys just like WoW all while being free 2 play. Hope this helps because I think it's unfair to paint games as pay 2 win since it's such a broad brush. It's very similar to WoW and think Throne has a very bright future if they keep adding amazing content. WoW and Throne are my 2 MMO's.
Honestly, tired of hearing the pay to win argument by people who barely played the game and have no idea. You can literally sell the items you farm on auction house for the same currency you get with your dollar. So you can play the game and earn currency by playing the game to purchase skins or battle passes. Which means you can be 100% free to play and you have access to the exact same stuff as the people who spend money. Another thing, why would you rather pay $70 up front when all these companies take your money and put our trash games. I'll take the free game any day and if I like it I'll happily purchase $60 of whatever to support the dev team.
I think people are just predispositioned that when they see something like a level boost in a eastern MMO it must be p2w. As far as paying up front I think wanting that is a left over relic from when we could trust devs. Unfortunately nearly every MMO has some p2w aspects these days so I personally don't think f2p is any worse of a model.
Oh yay you can farm to barely make enough to get one thing or so off the auction house mean while some guy drops 100$ has 10x better gear then you bought the best shit off the auction house leave the scraps you get 100 f2p players vs 100 pay to win players the paying players win every time either it be pve or PvP even more so since this game Focus is more on PvP you can literally watch streamers like shroud that bought every thing he got 1v5 f2p players 😂 pull the stick out of your ass bro and remove your rose coloured glasses
@@Akaniyama devs have to eat you stupid kid if the game was bad it wouldnt be so much people talking good about it game is pay 2 win so as life deal with it ps. i am free to play and already farmed 1k dollars on the shop currency so i dont mind this at all being p2w cause people are literally paying for me to play
@@AkaniyamaYou honestly have no idea do you? You are just going by what you have heard and didn't actually play it. F2p is absolutely achievable in this game once you learn how to sell in the AH.
This might be the best mmo I’ve played in a long time and I’d rather have the in game currency rather than a subscription. Right now you would have to spend thousands of real dollars to buy some weapons
So far I have 180 hours into the game, not paid a penny, sold a drop I got from a mob on the auction house to get the battle pass. Have all the shiny battle pass skins, have done all the CO-OP Dungeons at lvl 50, and even done some guild boss raids with a batch of guildies. The grind is quite large, but since you are limited you can do a dungeon run, bit of event for guild rep and logg off for the day.
so its like runescape, you can pay for everything premium through selling things on the auction house, because the auction house is only premium currency, so anything you sell, gives you premium currency. its honestly one of the most fair freemium model ive seen recently or possibly ever. Yes you might have to grind for the items you want in this MMORPG - imagine - but you dont have to pay for anything and you arent really at a disadvantage because you dont have to participate in the PVP, and the pve isnt extremely challenging, at least at the moment there is nothing you really have to grind out gear to be able to do at 50, its mechanics mastery atm.
I don't begrudge people looking at free to play games and saying it is pay to win garbage. In the early 2000's I couldn't afford $15 a month to play WoW so I played FTP MMO's. but to say that you would rather pay to play WoW because it isn't pay to win and doesn't have boosting is disingenuous. Boost your character for $60, WoW tokens gets you gold that gets you gear. I get saying you hate Pay to Win then you have to hate World of Warcraft cause I could dump a ton of money into it and have the BiS gear in a day.
Exactly why I quit FF14. Boosting pay to win story skipping garbage game AND 15 a month, and $10 to change the look of your character 😂😂 You even gotta pay extra monthly fees for extra retainers/bank space 😂
@@antonytomas1 @nixxiomonyoutube also the P2W things you pointed to were in game currency that you get for playing the game and not what makes it pay to win to begin with. The auction house currency can be bought for real money so you can get things for real money, but that currency is then given to the players grinding to get those items. I have made over 5,000 from sales of items on auction house which equates to $100 to the whales giving me their money. so I can get the stuff I need. as Pay to Win goes it is actually less than World of Warcraft.
Cute is normal for ppl who are used to asian mmo NCsoft were good with things about cute at one time in Lineage 2 , but yeah they include alot more random cuteness in time. Its just asian mmo thing.
Kanon does a great vid about the pay to win aspect. You can play the game as a f2p as still pretty much get to the top level, just takes a bit longer. Even if you whale out, you are still vulnerable to someone who is playing a diff stye. Worth a watch. I have nothing against a free to play game having a shop. I do not mind battle passes in these games. I pay $10 in a game I got for free ok, so now its a $10 game. :shrug: I may be a lone in this thought, but since T&L doesnt shove the shop down your throat, I am ok here. I mean, I log in, see the new offers, i close that window, and go about my business. Will say the end content i have done has been challenging and fun so far.
I agree about the doll. It seems like it doesn’t belong. Kind of reminds me of Black Desert, but they use a shadow/ghost thing which seems more appropriate. If I wasn’t so knee deep in New World, I’d keep playing Throne, it’s not that bad.
I must say I really like T&L as an MMO and was honestly surprised about no loading screens and quantity over quality approach to questing at least in first zones. I am still newbie but having 5 quests in the zone which are interesting like transforming as a sheep to avoid wolves and activate shrines or transform into mouse and follow cat because villagers find those cats odd (turns out they were morphed villains) was cool concept. Also having narrator in your story who was writing journal for you reminded me of Witcher 3 where Dandelion wrote Geralts stories in journal. Combat is kinda meh its clunky and having action-tab target hybrid makes the game worse than better especially with such rigid targeting system. You can be close to enemy like 5 meters before you can shoot double crossbows and you have perfectly face and enemy and have him targeted in action mode which defeats the purpose of action combat mode because its tab target with reticle. Morphs are cool concept on mount system but they certainly need a buff. Dash is good I like transforming into wolf or any other movement animal but Flying Morph is awful to control its just its glider with sticky basic controls and ton of motion blur. If they refine it and smooth out grapling it could have some nice challenges in the game and add joy of movement like GW2 has with its mounts and glider. Overall I would give T&L so far solid 7/10 as a new MMO. It has well thought out world with cool cutscenes and class design,graphics,story,worldbuilding and optimization but it lacks polish in combat and movement and I think it will have eastern MMO frustrating endgame (combining armors into +1 till +9 or some other shit with insanely low drop rate). But from what I have seen its great game with good questing,events and a lot of potential which is nice alternative instead of playing 4 gigants in industry (WoW, FF14,GW2,ESO) and its not as confusing and grindy and overcomplicated as BDO.
I have around 80 hours in the game so far (F2P) and I have been really enjoying it. The only big negative thing for me is some of the combat controls. Targeting is ass coming from someone who has played GW2 and WoW since launch, the combat itself is fun and I enjoy the dungeons but we will see if they can/will do something about the wonky controls. I agree the amitoi is a stylebreaker and very Eastern MMO and that plus some things about the story makes the game feel a bit shallow to me. The world looks beautiful and feels big and like an actual world tho but I still don't find it super immersive. I'm gonna continue playing and see where this game goes as so far I'm still having fun.
I never feel like I can get that invested in eastern mmos. I agree about the random cute creature or magic whale that doesn't fit the environment is a bit jarring.
OK, so I mean no disrespect to you. I watch a lot of your videos but I’ve been playing this game for over 100 hours. You do not have a grasp on the cash shop as you’re just a few minutes into playing first of all lucent is the paid currency in the game and I am completely free to play and at the end at level 50 you can use the auction house to sell gear and traits to get lucent and I got $40 worth of lucent without spending a dime also furthermore the tokens used to buy the books and everything in the shop Everybody gets those coins for free every server maintenance time and it is given to everyone, so therefore it is not pay to win I recommend that you go back and play the game longer before making this opinion that you came up with because you did not play the game long Enough to understand or give the review that you gave. Just to recap lucent can only buy you gear and things from the auction house which you can earn completely free to play and the other currency every month everyone gets it for server maintenance and other activities and it allows you to buy a certain amount of skill books, which in no way cost money it’s apart of the core game. Sorry to add to this the coins that you get every month for maintenance which buy all the boost books and everything that you saw which you need and everybody gets are called ornate coins they are not paid. Somebody can get paying to win is getting a whole set of purple instead of grinding for it for like $1000 and like I said you can get the paid currency Lucent in the game by using the auction house at no cost to you. I’m honestly a little bit disappointed in you that you think playing an MMO for 20 to 30 minutes, gives you an understanding enough to make all these claims and thoughts please play the game for real then come back and give a review
After a certain point you can turn off the visuals of the amitoi which is an improvement, and you can turn off damage floaters thank god. At least it's less cartoonish than wow so I'm having a good time.
3h probbly not enough, but valid points anyway. The game is definitely worth playing, and not as p2w as people think. Game opens up a lot more at 50 of course.
Would be curious to hear your review after reaching max level. A lot of what you listed as Pro's gets turned into Con's once you hit level 50. Your comments on the crafting system hurt, because I really wish you were correct. Sadly crafting past green gear is an abysmal mess that was designed to push you towards the PTW auction house.
Throne and Liberty is hollow and soulless--more of the same we'd expect from a Korean MMO. There is nothing innovative here. However, I will add they have decent cutscenes, nice graphics if you like the style, and TaL is good at having many players in the same place. 5/10.
Wow players are not ready to ear that wow is also a pay to win. You can pay for gold, for XP, for doing mythic raid, mythic dungeon and also for PvP classement.
This is the best take so far. I played 70 hours and had the exact same opinion when I decided to put it to rest. I had a ton of fun with the pve and it was very smooth and a cool world. But for all the reasons you listed I just can’t spend my time in this game.
The saddest part of this video is 3k+ ppl have lost braincells watching it. Im no TL supporter but man 2 hours in an mmo ? "you know nothing john snow"
I think to get the best idea you gotta do a first impressions on 1-50 then do a (x) amount of hours in end game. Cause i don’t think the game really opens till you hit level 50 I think im close to 350hrs in the game and i enjoy granted i have alot of bad things to say also
It is in my shallow opinion in this matter interesting and important game. I love the graphics and kinda the level of preparation of systems and UI about the world itself. Game feels prepared to be played. What I also love is the "everybody everything" kinda almost approach. It has but two major cons: it lacka of personality (which I find subjective), and its too spreaded and overfilled with stuff I am not interested in. Third point under the line is more IF, I hope the in game shope is not P2W.
I pause on minute 8.20 because for the sake of ~role playing reasons I need to explain how you get a pair of pants of a wolf... The previous adventure was wearing them, but he or she were under skilled so the wolf ate them... you murdered it and saw your new fashion line peaking out of it`s torn stomach hanging on the side of the open belly... That needed to be explained FYI... now continue with the video (me).
I dont know I absolutely LOVED the intro, i mean thats what sold me. I think you underplayed the whole thing ' oh look a whale' um, excuse me? Its a super sick space whale and how about the slide into the intro showing 'Throne and Liberty'
I respect your review but you need to play more before calling it pay to win. You can buy lucent to help you out faster but you can just get lucent from selling things on the auction house. I'm completely free to play and have made over 20 thousand lucent from selling gear. I have two maxed characters both with the battle pass and leveling pass. It's so easy to gain the premium currency which makes me love this game. Also the dungeons are really good to they are challenging and have cool mechanics.
Definitely wish we had more of a grim realistic vibe to the game. It's fun, it's nice knowing when you get good stuff some whale is spending 100s to have it. But to min max the weapon with upgrades is really one of the only areas I see pay to win impactful. Pvp I feel can keep the game running forever but pvp is where you feel the whales and are likely to be turned off as your binded and min maxed to death
It’s a good review for what it is - there a few points made that I think answer themselves with more play time - but given it’s a quick first look it’s pretty spot on to my experience. I have the fucking teddy bear disabled visually and its healing turned off. I pretend it doesn’t exist 😂
PTW doesn’t bother me at all unless they make it such that end game is unachievable without it. There’s always someone in a huge mmo better than you. It literally makes no difference to me if they are sweaty or rich. I just enjoy the game for free.
Throne and Liberty: Dude, it's already P2Win all over. Pay to Skip, pay for gears, pay for upgrades, pay for instant boost, game mechanic is crap game loop is crap. Upgrading gears, equipments and skills is a slot machine gambling mechanic, disgustingly AH is very P2W Holy. Devs are selling powerful items at Auction House, encouraging you to spend money on Lucent, bypassing P2W cash shops controversies.
I gave thumbs down, because you got a lot of informaton wrong man. - You do drop items, the rare and epic items cannot be crafted!! only dropped or bought on auction house. - You scrolled throu the cash shop and totally missed there are two types of currency. The ornate coin currency cannot be bought by any means, just collected in the game. - Lucent can be obtained by selling thing on auction. I have already got 2000+ lucent without spending any real money, just by selling things. - The real "leveling booster" is the battlepass, which cost 500 lucent, which will be updated every month + one 500 lucent leveling pass, one-time purchase booster. I got both for free and now I am waiting with enough lucent to buy the next battlepass when it arrives .. the economy is actually amazing, you can buy any cosmetic just by playing the game. I am kinda a bit mad you did not mention this :( Also, this game has fluent crossplay between PC, PS5 and XBOX .. very important thing for many people.
How can you review a game you barely played and know nothing about. Makes no sense and any real MMO players knows 3 hours is nothing....I know it's not a real review but don't give false facts when applying negative things to game
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So, is Throne and Liberty worth playing, to those of you who have invested tons and tons of hours into the game? What do you all think? Hopefully this little adventure into the game did it justice, but that's for you all to decide. Checking out Warhammer: Return of Reckoning next on this MMO adventure!
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As a pvp main I’m loving it.. there are some bad things like the lake of abyss tokens for open world dungeons and p2w but if you understand how to make money f2p isn’t bad at all
Super excited to see your experience with Return of Reckoning! I played the original as a kid and just recently started on the server! But regardless, this was an excellent video!
its f2p and it has nice beatiful new world to explore that was enough for me but im done with it without reaching max level....
As a pve main, I am loving it. I hate pvp and Throne and Liberty gives me plenty to do. Not a dime spent doing it too.
I actually don't agree to the pay2win thing (so far maybe?). I progress very well and the few times, where I was clearly too weak for an area, I just came back to that 5-6 hours later with better stats and equipment I found or leveled somewhere else.. I joined a guild and do stuff with them, but mostly I roam around by myself and enjoy being an adventurer. I did not think, it could catch me so good. So in the end, it is a good game and it is free. There are other games of this kind, which seem to be better, but they cost more money for sure. My personal critic would be, that there are those events, where you have to wait for 3 hours (or longer, if you have to work, etc., off course) and sometimes it is not so clear, what you are supposed to do and you fail because of that and have to do it again, to finally clear that area. Like waiting 24 hours to collect 3 stupid seeds or sth. that is kind of annoying. But overall it is great.
You said UE5 pretty sure T&L is on UE4.
2 things. I have 60 hours in T&L and the boosters you saw in the cash shop can only be purchased with a currency earned in the game by finding lore books. Second the little stuffed animal serves a purpose to later go on expeditions for you to gather materials. It also gathers loot so you don’t have to run and pick it up. There are two character boosting battle passes. Both are 10$ each.
i miss helpie
The game still has pay to win elements in it though regardless
@@Akaniyama so does wow mate
@@kromster1427 really doesn't
@@Akaniyama buying wow tokens or raw gold then using that to pay for raid or mythic plus carries its literally wows most common form of p2w. I found out about people buying gold in legion, checked back recently and its still going on. Can get deals on multiple runs to 😂. But but but Wow has no p2w
Also I don't know if people know this but u can sell Items on the auction house for paid currency and u can just buy everything with that
Just like warframe
Yea Throne is about as pay 2 win as WoW is. You don't have to swipe you can play the game make currency and buy premium battle pass, cosmetics etc. Just like WoW. So think it's unfair to say it's pay 2 win as a negative since it's as pay 2 win as WoW.
@@WhatIfTheories it really isn't wow auction house isn't locked behind a premium currency also you can't really buy bis gear off the auction house as well as even know you can sell wow tokens in wow for gold it's alot easier to obtain gold in wow then the premium currency in TnL you get gold for doing anything single thing in wow while the premium currency is locked behind either paying with real money or selling items that are highly requested and hard to farm or get
@@Akaniyama The premium currency is obtainable in game very easily so no it's not locked. I have 3k lucent at the moment and it's an equivalent to 40+€ if I would have pay.
3 weeks of game, full F2P
@@WhatIfTheoriesBeen debating downloading the game; glad you pointed this out tbf.
Isnt wow just like this now, with the token that gives you gold?
@@StarvedTime is the same.. You can buy gold and pay mythic runs
no, T&L you literally keep spending tons of money on different pieces of gear to boost your character, it's dumb.
No disrespect intended, but I think this video highlights how little playtime Nixxiom had in the game. For context, the p2w is not really in the shop, it's in the auction house. You purchase gear and traits using a currency you can purchase for real money. Nixxiom won't have seen this though in fairness as it doesn't unlock until lvl 40. IMO this is exactly the same p2w as WoW, as you can buy gear with gold and can purchase gold with real money. I think people are jumping on the band wagon a bit as it's an eastern mmo.
What? Since when does WoW let you buy mythic items on day 1?
I would have to agree with this comment here, his video highlights the lack of knowledge from playing the game. You'll need more than 3 hours. Not to mention you can farm items that you can sell for premium currency
@@sct77 You can buy a wow token which you can use to gain gold and then use that gold to obtain power in some form. Yeah you cant buy mythic gear but you can certainly spend real money to boost a character in power to obtain better gear easier.
You can buy mythic runs with that gold also. Tell me people dont sell that...
@@sct77 any high end guild in the server will carry you for a price
Played it 80 hours put in 20 dollars for level pass and battle pass, well worth it. Very fun.
Most games in my Steam are sub 5 hours and i paid well above 20 dollars for those.
Also if you played abit longer i got 2 items in dungeons that i "trait extracted" or in WoW terms "crafted an enchant velum by disenchanting the item onto the velum" sold it on AH and got around 450 lucent and another item i got 630 lucent for. So i already have made more money than i put into the game which is really nice. Bunch of smaller traits sold too, but it is a nice aspect to the game the way it is implemented, gives everybody a chance that grinds to hit it big on some item.
wtf
why spending money for battle pass and leveling pass i bought if for free from in game currency and i had 88 hours of playtime
You have to hit lvl 50 and do few dungeons and world bosses and abys to trully have an opinion about this game.
The game is pay to win in a sence that it has real money auction house but free to play players can make money selling items , it really isnt that bad. I dont mind it ,its like wow or Lineage 2 back in the day when people whispered you to send you money fornyiu to trade them an item.
Game has too many good stuff i think most ppl wont mind the auction bcs of those , you can really play it to the fullest as freetoplay.
being a super casual gamer (33 dad of a newborn) Ive made enough lucent to buy both the lvling pack and battle pass with less than 2 hours a day since release. Are there people who drop thousands to get the best gear immediately, yes, do you need to, no. Its a KMMORPG and it requires a bit more grind than western equivalents. For a Free to play model i dont think they could have done a better job.
Leveling Pass doesn't boost your levels. It just unlocks additional rewards whilst leveling
It should be noted that lucent (the premium currency) is obtainable (without spending real $$$) via selling trait extracts, lithographs and items on the auction house since it only costs sollant (gold) to list them on the auction house.
The time he spent editing this video is probably longer than the time he spent actually trying to play the game. Bro probably didn't even read the letter the amitoi left you behind.
He literally got past the tutorial and was like OK. I know this game well and I’m ready to make my official review even though I don’t know how any of the systems work and I have no idea what I’m talking about fully, but I’ll just wing it. I’m sorry, but this was frustrating. I like this guy but to play a game for three hours and give such bold statements is crazy.
The anime teddy bear is probably the Eastern habit of adding comic relief.
Reminds me of paimon and I hate it.
Lucent is like platinum in Warframe. no one moans about Warframe? Either play it or don’t
Isn't "WTF is going on?" kinda the impression that you want to create with an opening to a fantasy game?
It’s unfortunate a free game is getting criticized for monetization. It is pay to win for a brand new character but if you reach end game you’d see that there is a limit to how powerful you can become and a free to play player can achieve it granted with more time and effort. However, the experience you missed out on is the daily epic multi guild alliance battles where entire servers battle each other and usually have a common villain in the top guild alliance. Trying to bring them down through tactics, inter guild politics and much more. It’s crazy and your enemy can be your ally a week later all while building communities of core friends and thousands of real discord guilds and making new friends. It’s the closest feeling I’ve gotten to a true massive community since end game classic wow 40 man raids. But I’m talking 200 active people online on discord at once every night in epic battles getting better and better. That’s where it shines. You can’t pay to win that, you need to build the human element which is the most important and which is free. Basically what I’m saying is if you’re a millionaire and bought all the gear on AH you’d get owned by a ftp player that played in a Korean guild that knows what they are doing. This is a PvP MMO first. With pve elements (that are good) to get stronger for large scale pvp.
that summons it all yes
its pay2win but not unfair
@@Flyntas for sure p2w but point is relationships and skill quickly become more important than gear. Also, you can make lucent, I make 100s$ worth of lucent from drops, traits and cooking per week. So a f2p player with a trader brain can also play or just sell on the AH and have the same advantage as a p2w player including skins. Or you win the lotto on a rare world boss drop with good trait, and you can make 300$-500$ worth of lucent instantly. So Its very dependent on the smarts and abilities, and yeah some luck, even financial savvy of each person.
Will say this: three hours isn't really enough. Start was soooo slow, but as I start filling out the purple gear and more weapon mastery skills, it's gotten very much smoother and combat becomes more satisfying. It's not tops, but it's a fun game. Just cannot even stand to even think about WoW at this point.
I gave it a chance today as well, I went in VERY skeptical because
1: it's made by NCSoft and usually they are outrageously pay to win
2: that this MMO has been rebuilt from the ground up *multiple times* so I went in thinking it would be extremely buggy.
HOWEVER this game is probably the least pay to win MMO they have made, its surprisingly actually playable without spending a single dollar. I found the combat kind of clunky, but other than just that I had fun with exploration and learning the different mechanics. I also have yet to encounter a ground breaking bug.
7/10 it's free so I'd say give it a go if your bored and not super focused on any other MMOs right now.
there is no point to play endgame of this game without paying tbh, the level 50 experience is very good, even some open dungeons ect, but for those free to play players who try to grind the game, its just pointless
Way to short play time dude, you have no idea of the game after 3 hours....
200hrs in T&L now the combat is a little clunky been play with a small guild of 40 people its been a good time. Pvp is ok if you aren't getting zerged down, small scale is fun if you have the right comp. Most important take away KNOW YOUR BUILD BEFORE YOU START
3 Hours is not enough time to test this game. I almost turned the video off there lol. You really need to go back. You didn't even unlock skill trees. That's like playing WoW and quitting before lvl 10.
It took me about 20 hours to really love it and I think you have misunderstood that levelling "boost"...there are no boosts in the way you described.
DUde, the whale is the best thing about the whole fucking game, whats not to like? :D Flying whales will never be not cool
You should probably play for more than 45 minutes before reviewing an MMO. Level 14 isn't even an hour of play. You can hit 50 in less than 8 hours easily.
You're right. That's why I played for three hours, as stated just a few seconds into the video lol.
“Can” is different than reading the text, exploring, playing the game rather than speed running. And most devs would be lucky if someone played their game for an hour. Nowadays you start a game and you decide if you want to keep playing it 20 minutes in. The first time I downloaded this game I uninstalled it 15 mins in. Came back gave it another shot, got to the title, never touched it again.
Isn't this game built in UE4.
The big flying Whale is called "The Divine Beast" or short Giganrite. You can actually take a ride on it to mine rare ores.
The Amitoi is a total style breaker, I agree on that. They are essentially there to provide a small heal, gather your loot and you can send "troops" of Amitoi on Expeditions to gather materials for you. "Lore Wise" they are explained as simple animated Toys. But I get why people are not liking them, they are a total style breaker, but there are also other Amitois you can choose (like skins).
Edit: There is also no Level-Booster in the game. What you discovered was the Level-Pass. A similar system as the Battlepass where you just get some rewards during the leveling phase.
For pay to win you don't look in the store but in the auction house which uses the premium currency. You can buy weapons directly with premium currency there. But the premium currency goes to a player that earned the weapon (minus 20% transaction fee) and the price is determined by the actual demand. The upgrade tokens within the shop are bought with a currency you earn by playing the game. Also you often get the currency after server maintenance.
When I did the face scan thingy he came out as asian...
The pink coins in the shop with which you buy the materials are earned ingame by everyone equally, they are not a p2w element at all. TH-camrs will play a game for a couple of hours and pass judgement. You have no understanding of the systems you are critiquing, they are way more complex than the average mmo. The p2w is only really present in the lategame when players can buy lategame items from eachother (mostly from the top guilds).
At that point it's pretty much as p2w as wow, let's not make a surprised pikachu face about mythic boosts
It is fascinating how different the design and monetization philosophies are for FFXIV considering it is also an "eastern mmo". Of course they have taken a lot of inspiration from WoW but considering that Square Enix is infamous for their gacha p2w mobile games it is kind of a miracle that FFXIV is using the "better" business model even today.
better?
lmao u having to pay every month to play a game is better them a free 2 play game?
people just redact talking shit cause they think they opnion is right even when its clearly wrong
never played wow official cause u have to pay to play and i think this is stupid
what ever
People are just using this to fill a void in their heart for a real mmo without pay for power. Not a fan of the korean mmo vibe find it to not be very immersive feels like im playing somwthing on rails.
While I won't deny there is p2w in the game, it really only speeds up progression by a bit, I am fully f2p and fully geared, and saving lucent from things I am selling for when t2 drops. Only thing I have actually spent some money on was buying lucent for cosmetics. None of the lucent I actually bought went towards gear. Do have an alt though I run dungeons on for more drops to sell. I also did not buy early access. So while there is def p2w in the game as far as speeding up progression goes, as long as you are efficient with things, it's honestly not very difficult to gear as f2p.
Funny….this is how I felt playing wow of all games
Yea dude you need to give it a chance it's solid.
There is a gear cap most people that have played from early access have already received it… it’s now about epic 300-400 player fights at bosses every night. Not even for the loot but for bragging rights. Then you loose the next night. The massive mmo pvp is unlike anything I’ve seen in a mmo. Maybe early days of wow is the only thing that comes close to the sheer number of players clashing.
@@VladHTX except the servers don’t crash after 40 players throwing spells left and right😂
There is a clear and definitive benefit to spending money on this game to have better stats and a better character. You can as a free to play player achieve those same levels but you will just have to spend more time. It's just like any game. Even Grand theft Auto. I can spend hours earning millions to buy that upgrade I need or I could just get a part-time job. Spend the 15 bucks spend an hour at work and make that. That does not make you a better player but it can make up for a lot. You can look at any game with monetary transactions. I don't care what it is if you pay $60 for the base game and buy expansions that cost money or if it's a subscription or whatever most games cost money whether they say it's free or not. Fortnite skins cost 20 bucks for an in-game skin, that's a real life outfit. There are people who are spending money on this game and still get s*** on because they just suck. You can play as a free-to-play player and compete.
3:50
Funny, I got immediate "Lordaeron" vibes here, considering how dark it is.
WoW is just as pay 2 win as Throne. So when you say pay 2 win I think we should be fair in the comparison. In Throne and Liberty I've sold items that I've farmed and made Lucent and then bought the premium battle pass. I've been able to attain the store cosmetics by playing the game. Just like in WoW when I log into TWW I can farm and buy a WoW token and pay for my sub.
In WoW you can buy a level boost, gold, in game GDKP you name it and that is after buying the game. Is Throne pay 2 win? Sure but every MMO is today so how much of a pay 2 win matters. You don't have to swipe. It's actually really nice you can just play the game and actually get all the cool toys just like WoW all while being free 2 play. Hope this helps because I think it's unfair to paint games as pay 2 win since it's such a broad brush. It's very similar to WoW and think Throne has a very bright future if they keep adding amazing content. WoW and Throne are my 2 MMO's.
Remember when your first dungeon was at level 19 in WoW?
Honestly, tired of hearing the pay to win argument by people who barely played the game and have no idea. You can literally sell the items you farm on auction house for the same currency you get with your dollar. So you can play the game and earn currency by playing the game to purchase skins or battle passes. Which means you can be 100% free to play and you have access to the exact same stuff as the people who spend money. Another thing, why would you rather pay $70 up front when all these companies take your money and put our trash games. I'll take the free game any day and if I like it I'll happily purchase $60 of whatever to support the dev team.
I'm tired of seeing people defend pay to win games because their bored and don't want someone speaking the truth about a game their like
I think people are just predispositioned that when they see something like a level boost in a eastern MMO it must be p2w. As far as paying up front I think wanting that is a left over relic from when we could trust devs. Unfortunately nearly every MMO has some p2w aspects these days so I personally don't think f2p is any worse of a model.
Oh yay you can farm to barely make enough to get one thing or so off the auction house mean while some guy drops 100$ has 10x better gear then you bought the best shit off the auction house leave the scraps you get 100 f2p players vs 100 pay to win players the paying players win every time either it be pve or PvP even more so since this game Focus is more on PvP you can literally watch streamers like shroud that bought every thing he got 1v5 f2p players 😂 pull the stick out of your ass bro and remove your rose coloured glasses
@@Akaniyama devs have to eat you stupid kid
if the game was bad it wouldnt be so much people talking good about it
game is pay 2 win so as life
deal with it
ps. i am free to play and already farmed 1k dollars on the shop currency so i dont mind this at all being p2w cause people are literally paying for me to play
@@AkaniyamaYou honestly have no idea do you? You are just going by what you have heard and didn't actually play it. F2p is absolutely achievable in this game once you learn how to sell in the AH.
Haven’t played it, and I think 3 hours is not enough for a game review, specially for an MMO, not convinced this was a good call.
2:05 it wasn't a nightmare it was a past event that occurred.
This might be the best mmo I’ve played in a long time and I’d rather have the in game currency rather than a subscription. Right now you would have to spend thousands of real dollars to buy some weapons
So far I have 180 hours into the game, not paid a penny, sold a drop I got from a mob on the auction house to get the battle pass. Have all the shiny battle pass skins, have done all the CO-OP Dungeons at lvl 50, and even done some guild boss raids with a batch of guildies. The grind is quite large, but since you are limited you can do a dungeon run, bit of event for guild rep and logg off for the day.
I was so happy to find out you can turn off seeing the little sock puppets in the setting lol now i dont hear that thing or see it
Oh damn had no idea!
After BDO I'm done with Korean style MMOs. The monetization is just too predatory , which is a shame really, because these games have allot to offer.
so its like runescape, you can pay for everything premium through selling things on the auction house, because the auction house is only premium currency, so anything you sell, gives you premium currency. its honestly one of the most fair freemium model ive seen recently or possibly ever. Yes you might have to grind for the items you want in this MMORPG - imagine - but you dont have to pay for anything and you arent really at a disadvantage because you dont have to participate in the PVP, and the pve isnt extremely challenging, at least at the moment there is nothing you really have to grind out gear to be able to do at 50, its mechanics mastery atm.
I don't begrudge people looking at free to play games and saying it is pay to win garbage. In the early 2000's I couldn't afford $15 a month to play WoW so I played FTP MMO's. but to say that you would rather pay to play WoW because it isn't pay to win and doesn't have boosting is disingenuous. Boost your character for $60, WoW tokens gets you gold that gets you gear. I get saying you hate Pay to Win then you have to hate World of Warcraft cause I could dump a ton of money into it and have the BiS gear in a day.
Exactly why I quit FF14. Boosting pay to win story skipping garbage game AND 15 a month, and $10 to change the look of your character 😂😂 You even gotta pay extra monthly fees for extra retainers/bank space 😂
@@antonytomas1 @nixxiomonyoutube also the P2W things you pointed to were in game currency that you get for playing the game and not what makes it pay to win to begin with. The auction house currency can be bought for real money so you can get things for real money, but that currency is then given to the players grinding to get those items. I have made over 5,000 from sales of items on auction house which equates to $100 to the whales giving me their money. so I can get the stuff I need. as Pay to Win goes it is actually less than World of Warcraft.
I'm more disappointed that he referred to my King as a fat Ron Weasley... He doesn't deserve that :(
Cute is normal for ppl who are used to asian mmo
NCsoft were good with things about cute at one time in Lineage 2 , but yeah they include alot more random cuteness in time. Its just asian mmo thing.
Kanon does a great vid about the pay to win aspect. You can play the game as a f2p as still pretty much get to the top level, just takes a bit longer. Even if you whale out, you are still vulnerable to someone who is playing a diff stye. Worth a watch.
I have nothing against a free to play game having a shop. I do not mind battle passes in these games. I pay $10 in a game I got for free ok, so now its a $10 game. :shrug: I may be a lone in this thought, but since T&L doesnt shove the shop down your throat, I am ok here. I mean, I log in, see the new offers, i close that window, and go about my business. Will say the end content i have done has been challenging and fun so far.
I agree about the doll. It seems like it doesn’t belong. Kind of reminds me of Black Desert, but they use a shadow/ghost thing which seems more appropriate. If I wasn’t so knee deep in New World, I’d keep playing Throne, it’s not that bad.
I must say I really like T&L as an MMO and was honestly surprised about no loading screens and quantity over quality approach to questing at least in first zones. I am still newbie but having 5 quests in the zone which are interesting like transforming as a sheep to avoid wolves and activate shrines or transform into mouse and follow cat because villagers find those cats odd (turns out they were morphed villains) was cool concept. Also having narrator in your story who was writing journal for you reminded me of Witcher 3 where Dandelion wrote Geralts stories in journal.
Combat is kinda meh its clunky and having action-tab target hybrid makes the game worse than better especially with such rigid targeting system. You can be close to enemy like 5 meters before you can shoot double crossbows and you have perfectly face and enemy and have him targeted in action mode which defeats the purpose of action combat mode because its tab target with reticle.
Morphs are cool concept on mount system but they certainly need a buff. Dash is good I like transforming into wolf or any other movement animal but Flying Morph is awful to control its just its glider with sticky basic controls and ton of motion blur. If they refine it and smooth out grapling it could have some nice challenges in the game and add joy of movement like GW2 has with its mounts and glider.
Overall I would give T&L so far solid 7/10 as a new MMO. It has well thought out world with cool cutscenes and class design,graphics,story,worldbuilding and optimization but it lacks polish in combat and movement and I think it will have eastern MMO frustrating endgame (combining armors into +1 till +9 or some other shit with insanely low drop rate). But from what I have seen its great game with good questing,events and a lot of potential which is nice alternative instead of playing 4 gigants in industry (WoW, FF14,GW2,ESO) and its not as confusing and grindy and overcomplicated as BDO.
I have around 80 hours in the game so far (F2P) and I have been really enjoying it. The only big negative thing for me is some of the combat controls. Targeting is ass coming from someone who has played GW2 and WoW since launch, the combat itself is fun and I enjoy the dungeons but we will see if they can/will do something about the wonky controls.
I agree the amitoi is a stylebreaker and very Eastern MMO and that plus some things about the story makes the game feel a bit shallow to me. The world looks beautiful and feels big and like an actual world tho but I still don't find it super immersive. I'm gonna continue playing and see where this game goes as so far I'm still having fun.
I never feel like I can get that invested in eastern mmos. I agree about the random cute creature or magic whale that doesn't fit the environment is a bit jarring.
This game is basically an acid dream.
space marine 2 was a great addition to this video. awesome grey knights btw. For the Emperor!
I’ve been having fun but this is clearly “Boardroom the mmo”.
Ghost stag would be a great band name
@9:12
OK, so I mean no disrespect to you. I watch a lot of your videos but I’ve been playing this game for over 100 hours. You do not have a grasp on the cash shop as you’re just a few minutes into playing first of all lucent is the paid currency in the game and I am completely free to play and at the end at level 50 you can use the auction house to sell gear and traits to get lucent and I got $40 worth of lucent without spending a dime also furthermore the tokens used to buy the books and everything in the shop Everybody gets those coins for free every server maintenance time and it is given to everyone, so therefore it is not pay to win I recommend that you go back and play the game longer before making this opinion that you came up with because you did not play the game long Enough to understand or give the review that you gave. Just to recap lucent can only buy you gear and things from the auction house which you can earn completely free to play and the other currency every month everyone gets it for server maintenance and other activities and it allows you to buy a certain amount of skill books, which in no way cost money it’s apart of the core game. Sorry to add to this the coins that you get every month for maintenance which buy all the boost books and everything that you saw which you need and everybody gets are called ornate coins they are not paid. Somebody can get paying to win is getting a whole set of purple instead of grinding for it for like $1000 and like I said you can get the paid currency Lucent in the game by using the auction house at no cost to you.
I’m honestly a little bit disappointed in you that you think playing an MMO for 20 to 30 minutes, gives you an understanding enough to make all these claims and thoughts please play the game for real then come back and give a review
After a certain point you can turn off the visuals of the amitoi which is an improvement, and you can turn off damage floaters thank god. At least it's less cartoonish than wow so I'm having a good time.
You didn't even experience the game at lvl 12.. throne and liberty is an expansion of the lineage world...
3h probbly not enough, but valid points anyway. The game is definitely worth playing, and not as p2w as people think. Game opens up a lot more at 50 of course.
ITS UE4 , not 5
Would be curious to hear your review after reaching max level. A lot of what you listed as Pro's gets turned into Con's once you hit level 50. Your comments on the crafting system hurt, because I really wish you were correct. Sadly crafting past green gear is an abysmal mess that was designed to push you towards the PTW auction house.
Damn brother took 3 hours too get too level 12....
Throne and Liberty is hollow and soulless--more of the same we'd expect from a Korean MMO. There is nothing innovative here. However, I will add they have decent cutscenes, nice graphics if you like the style, and TaL is good at having many players in the same place. 5/10.
Wow players are not ready to ear that wow is also a pay to win. You can pay for gold, for XP, for doing mythic raid, mythic dungeon and also for PvP classement.
This is the best take so far. I played 70 hours and had the exact same opinion when I decided to put it to rest. I had a ton of fun with the pve and it was very smooth and a cool world. But for all the reasons you listed I just can’t spend my time in this game.
Helpi is the best
Pretty good paint job. Better than mine, I will admit.
I'm in stitches with the names you've given the characters.
using wow as a "pure" western game design exemple was really funny to see hahahaha
I just hate that if you didn't know not to upgrade to purples your f'd out of about 100 hours of gameplay
Been more fun than wow and I’ve actually reached and done endgame for 2 weeks, not just made a review a couple hours in lmao, full free to play btw
The saddest part of this video is 3k+ ppl have lost braincells watching it. Im no TL supporter but man 2 hours in an mmo ? "you know nothing john snow"
I want a new USA mmo if you know what I am saying
Not enough to do in end game, you need to play the game like an hour a day to keep up.
Btw it's not UE5, but still UE 4 ... ;)
Where are my "you need 100 hours to give a review" guys at!?
I think to get the best idea you gotta do a first impressions on 1-50 then do a (x) amount of hours in end game.
Cause i don’t think the game really opens till you hit level 50
I think im close to 350hrs in the game and i enjoy granted i have alot of bad things to say also
What are some of your pros and cons?
I clicked like on Morgana fighting Gandalf
you must try more of it 3 hours is not enough
another mmo people are desperate to like because even a weed in a desert is considered a flower I suppose
It is in my shallow opinion in this matter interesting and important game. I love the graphics and kinda the level of preparation of systems and UI about the world itself. Game feels prepared to be played. What I also love is the "everybody everything" kinda almost approach. It has but two major cons: it lacka of personality (which I find subjective), and its too spreaded and overfilled with stuff I am not interested in. Third point under the line is more IF, I hope the in game shope is not P2W.
I pause on minute 8.20 because for the sake of ~role playing reasons I need to explain how you get a pair of pants of a wolf... The previous adventure was wearing them, but he or she were under skilled so the wolf ate them... you murdered it and saw your new fashion line peaking out of it`s torn stomach hanging on the side of the open belly... That needed to be explained FYI... now continue with the video (me).
It’s not really p2w trash it’s more like p2w mud
Crafting system in T&L is nigh on completely irrelevant.
"So this is a Korean MMO, that has made its way west to consume the wallets of Western whales." Love it
The fact the first thing to see about the world is a giant whale... well, it says a lot... 😅
I dont know I absolutely LOVED the intro, i mean thats what sold me. I think you underplayed the whole thing ' oh look a whale' um, excuse me? Its a super sick space whale and how about the slide into the intro showing 'Throne and Liberty'
the whale is epic. I will die on this hill
Ilberd?! It turns your disguise was too sloppy for the game.
I respect your review but you need to play more before calling it pay to win. You can buy lucent to help you out faster but you can just get lucent from selling things on the auction house. I'm completely free to play and have made over 20 thousand lucent from selling gear. I have two maxed characters both with the battle pass and leveling pass. It's so easy to gain the premium currency which makes me love this game. Also the dungeons are really good to they are challenging and have cool mechanics.
Play more, reach endgame and you will love it, trust me on that, I'm playing MMOs for almost 30 years now
Without a whole stream to take care of i got to around 25 in 3 hours so it is possible.
Definitely wish we had more of a grim realistic vibe to the game. It's fun, it's nice knowing when you get good stuff some whale is spending 100s to have it. But to min max the weapon with upgrades is really one of the only areas I see pay to win impactful. Pvp I feel can keep the game running forever but pvp is where you feel the whales and are likely to be turned off as your binded and min maxed to death
Amazon and NC Soft did an amazing job. FF14 sucks so bad compared to T&L. Better story, better combat, better graphics, and free
Yeah FF14 is so bad. T&L is top tier
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@@elianthonypoe Gather information 0/3 😂
@@clericfighter-zc2ze You literally have to pay another monthly fee for more retainers (bank space) lmao fuck Yoshi P
It’s a good review for what it is - there a few points made that I think answer themselves with more play time - but given it’s a quick first look it’s pretty spot on to my experience.
I have the fucking teddy bear disabled visually and its healing turned off. I pretend it doesn’t exist 😂
PTW doesn’t bother me at all unless they make it such that end game is unachievable without it. There’s always someone in a huge mmo better than you. It literally makes no difference to me if they are sweaty or rich. I just enjoy the game for free.
You're such a good painter!
Throne and Liberty: Dude, it's already P2Win all over. Pay to Skip, pay for gears, pay for upgrades, pay for instant boost, game mechanic is crap game loop is crap. Upgrading gears, equipments and skills is a slot machine gambling mechanic, disgustingly
AH is very P2W Holy. Devs are selling powerful items at Auction House, encouraging you to spend money on Lucent, bypassing P2W cash shops controversies.
im playing it,it is the best one so far.but the charcter is not balance,some are too OP to cope with.
I gave thumbs down, because you got a lot of informaton wrong man.
- You do drop items, the rare and epic items cannot be crafted!! only dropped or bought on auction house.
- You scrolled throu the cash shop and totally missed there are two types of currency. The ornate coin currency cannot be bought by any means, just collected in the game.
- Lucent can be obtained by selling thing on auction. I have already got 2000+ lucent without spending any real money, just by selling things.
- The real "leveling booster" is the battlepass, which cost 500 lucent, which will be updated every month + one 500 lucent leveling pass, one-time purchase booster. I got both for free and now I am waiting with enough lucent to buy the next battlepass when it arrives .. the economy is actually amazing, you can buy any cosmetic just by playing the game. I am kinda a bit mad you did not mention this :(
Also, this game has fluent crossplay between PC, PS5 and XBOX .. very important thing for many people.
You're a good painter.
How can you review a game you barely played and know nothing about. Makes no sense and any real MMO players knows 3 hours is nothing....I know it's not a real review but don't give false facts when applying negative things to game
You are a good painter, looks really good!