When Should a Game Console Die?
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- Today I wanted to talk about the death of game consoles.
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The only thing id really want a switch 2 for is more power. And not necessarily for better graphics, just better memory and framerate. A new zelda game able to load nearly as fast as Spider-Man 2 would be insane
Better Memory + better frame rate = better gfx
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@@archithrough exactly
@@archithrough The Nintendo Ninjas have locked on to your location.
@@galacticgamer8760 too late I'm already in prison
it's funny that the switch really needs an upgrade due to the weak hardware, but it's still so popular that releasing a new console would be a flat-out bad idea
I mean power isnt everything right? just because it has better graphics doesnt mean its a better game. devs can still make groundbreaking innovations that ISNT just better graphics. game design, game mechanics, and game ideas can still be released in any console no matter the graphical power (ofc not saying that you can make a new god of war on the N64 but you know what i mean LMAO)
Nah releasing a new console would be a great idea
@@jumpman2326 capitalism
@@duyan3010 like 2d games such as hollow knight, those aren't graphically great games, but it's a very good game despite it having not that many options for movement and attacks.
Nintendo has to release a new switch eventually. Nvidia has stopped production of the tegra processors that the switch run on so Nintendo has started to rely on their own stock of chips. When that runs out, no more switches.
As long as people keep buying games for a system, it makes sense to keep the hardware on the market.
Unfortunately, Nvidia stopped producing the graphics chips used by the Switch a while ago, it's a countdown until Nintendo runs out of stock, so no, the Switch can't live forever
Iirc Nintendo had to develop their own version/update of the Tegra chip because of the RCM glitch from launch year models, so I think they'll still make some on their own
the answer is never
to be slightly more realistic, make games for it regularly until they stop producing units for it, then gradually slow down the amount of titles coming out for it
for example, the original xbox only saw 1 game in 2008 and 6 in 2007, but unit production ended in 2009 and its live services shut down in 2010. ergo, its last title realisticly should come out in 2011-12.
Agreed. And another reason why I think current game consoles shouldn't die for a long time, is because graphical upgrades are no longer noticeable. I remember when the PS3 came out, and it looked a whole lot better than the PS2 could've ever imagined. When the PS4 came out, it only looked a little better than the PS3, but the graphical upgrade was still noticeable among some games. Like NHL 15 on the PS4 looks way prettier than NHL 14 on the PS3, and I think it still looks really damn good to this day. But when the PS5 came out, what's the upgrade? Sure I and most gamers know what they are, but I think most average consumers don't. Gran Turismo 7 on the PS5 looks pretty damn photorealistic, but so did Gran Turismo Sport on the PS4 that came out a few years earlier. These two games look very similar to each other, despite the former coming out 5 years after the latter, and on a whole new console generation. And even sports titles look the same across generations. I seriously can't tell the difference between NHL 22 on the PS4 to NHL 22 on the PS5, unless I get a side-by-side comparison to spot the few micro details that are present on the PS5 version, but not on the PS4 version. The graphical jump between console generations are no longer impressive, because games these days look too good. There's not much to improve upon. So if a PS6 came out, what's even the point to buy if the graphics look the same as the PS5? At this point, the only reason why I see a PS6 existing in a few years is because of corporate greed.
@@Mickelraven true! but just for funsies i dont believe older systems shouldve stopped either, it was a fun time during the noughties/early 10s where games would have notably different graphics on all the systems it came out on
@@Spacething7474 That's also true. In a "what if" reality, I've always wanted old consoles to last longer, kinda like video formats like VHS, DVD and Blu-ray, which have lasted for decades. Even though physical media is dying, I can still find some DVDs in a retail store, even though they aren't as common as they were a few years ago. But it would be fun to see a brand new PS2 game on store shelves.
And not to mention, because Nintendo have been very gimmicky with their consoles since the DS and Wii, I kinda see these gimmick consoles as their own thing and should be supported to this day, because they're unique. If I want new dual screen games, it goes on the DS or 3DS. If I want new motion control games, it goes on the Wii (or Wii U if people care about it). I think there's a pretty good reason why Just Dance games just kept coming on the Wii, way past its discontinuation. Because the Wii was common in a lot of people's homes, and people kept buying Just Dance games. And from what I've heard, Wiis are common in retirement homes, since old folks are still competing on Wii Sports. In my humble opinion, the Wii should be eternal! Even though its composite video output is outdated, and in fact was outdated when it came out in 2006. I believe launch PS3's had HDMI. I think the Wii should've gotten an HDMI version.
@@Mickelraven i agree with all but the last statement. i believe the ps3 and xbox 360 shouldntve been hdmi compatible at all!
Also it should be noted Nintendo handhelds have a bigger lifespan than their consoles and most of them had upgrades in the middle.
For example the original Game Boy was released in 1989 and the last game released was the European version of Pokemon Yellow in 2000. If you count the Color upgrade with games released until 2002 then you have a lifespan of 13 years!
And 3ds also last long even mario kart 7 got update in 2023 or 2022 idk
@@niko.p_originalthat wasn’t an update that added any content, it was meant to keep people from hacking the game :p
@@ubulayne_ Hey it was still new version 🤣
The GBA is a good counterexample, it only lasted like, what, three years?
@@Mekuso8yea, still had some legendary games though
The reason we see upgrades from Sony and Microsoft is because they're directly competing. Nintendo doesn't need to upgrade as they're not directly competing against. Yeah they make games but their games are targeted differently and they focus on different things. Sony and Microsoft are Coke and Pepsi while Nintendo is Root Beer. Nintendo can do their own thing which is great. Additionally, I feel they might hold on to the switch for a while as the Wii U failed so badly. The Switch has a lot of ports or soft sequels where they essentially re released a wii u game with some changes.
They used to compete before the Wii U and 3DS and Wii and DS, PCs sell more because new parts are available say the Steamdeck or ROG Ally and Lenovo Legion GO and upcoming PC handhelds and Laptops and Desktops sell more because it's easier but also expensive Sony & Microsoft and Nintendo aren't going anywhere and Sega never died atleast in Brazil which sega consoles in brazil sell more then a modern console in brazil but you are very right.
Incorrect. Microsoft isn't competing with Sony. Phil Spencer has publicly said Sony has won the console war with Xbox. Xbox has upgrades because Xbox fans still want upgraded consoles, and still use consoles. Not because of competition with Sony.
@@XboxxxGuy The Xbox Systems depend on Windows and it is true of them saying they lost but they are still selling consoles Direct-X is a code name on Windows for gaming which is the Xbox name origin but since Nintendo isn't competing which they are more focus on the family point Nintendo makes t and m rated games I'm not saying they aren't but Xbox tried to buy Valve,Nintendo and even Warner Bros Games these 3 companies have their own things Valve makes hardware and has their own PC platform to be probably the first to do that Warner Bros Games would be bought for 40% of the company which Warner Bros Games the creator of Back for blood and the batman game series and Nintendo just like Valve makes Hardware and has a big chain of games and consoles Valve used to be a Ex-Microsoft Worker but left Microsoft to do their own thing Nintendo laughed at Microsoft trying to buy them and Warner Bros Games I don't think they will be bought by Microsoft, Sony is trying to buy Take-Two Interactive which are the owners of Rockstar Games and Sony is trying to buy half of Warner Bros Games.
Nintendo is competing but they also are a pussies, they made a shitty console and instead of making it or even trying to make it appealing, they released the switch, which was planned to released during the PS5/Xbox Series X came out. They vowed out and gave up unlike Sony PS3, they made it appealing to the general audience
Unfortunately, Microsoft Xbox is more on games subscription service now and will probably be fully cloud gaming in the future because they admitted they lost the console war
I think the way to go for the Switch is to wait for the momentum to basically stop.
Then they can make a PS4-level console with 100% backwards compatibility, in the same fashion they did for the Wii U.
That way, it'll also have a huge library.
the creator of this video wants the switch 1 to push for 20 years of support, kind of like Brazil is pushing the genesis for 100 years of support. Most people of my generation could tolerate 32X or newer. I hope that Playstation 4 will have support forever. I love PS3 and Xbox ONE.
Companies will reach a point where everybody who wants their console already owns one. They run out of people to sell consoles to which is the main reason why theyll make a new one. Also i think the switch is really on its last legs here as recent games like xeno 3 and totk really pushed the switch to its limit. I think a new console is neccessary if they want to keep producing high quality games and make improvements on their franchises.
I can see they go for an optional pro upgrade for the diehard to double dip without exclusive as well as new big game like 3D Mario and Mario Kart if they really don’t want to launch the new console
I disagree. Nintendo doesn’t have an obligation to make consoles; if they want to make more money, they’ll just make more games for the same console everybody already has. If a new Nintendo console were to come out now it would *FLOP* because people would never want leave behind the Switch’s massive library for no trade-off. It happened in the transition from Wii to Wii-U, history might just repeat itself.
@@zackfirex1009 I think 2024 may not be the year and the switch will die in between 2025-2027. There is still constant support for the switch with relatively high budget games, no way Nintendo is just gonna waste wonder, DK remake or peach showtime on an old console if they have a new one.
"They run out of people to sell consoles to which is the main reason why theyll make a new one."
No. The conclusion to the first part of that thought is, "which is the main reason why they will NOT make a new one."
Once everyone has a console, then the market of consoles is done with.
The PS2 is the best selling console of all time and sony still made a new console after 6 years. Same thing with the Wii, it sold really well and nintendo still followed up with a new console after 6 years. I think as long as nintendo's new console is backwards compatible with the switch, and it has a good lineup of game at launch then then nintendo will have nothing to really worry about.
Honestly, a console should die when there are new advances in games and the technologies for the consoles (for example, better graphics, sound, even games themselves).
An actual dead console is a discontinued console
it should die when a new gimmick enters game company's mind
So every 6 months?
I am so glad you pointed out how it’s good Nintendo is “behind” on generation hardware power. When the next Nintendo console has ps4 quality graphics people will freak out way more than when the ps4 launched imho
We did it to ourselves.
Remember when the powerful systems were brushed aside because the PS2 also had DVD support?
Nintendo changed after they tried to be the best twice, failed twice to weaker hardware, and took that same approach of making software better than hardware.
Then that same generation the DS closed the gap on the PS2 with 154.2 and 155 million sales respectively.
Then they went competitive with the Wii U and we all know how that played out.
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker nintendo lost to "weaker hardware" because the games still ran better on playstations. Cds and actual dvds are better than cartridges and gamecube mini discs
Nintendo being behind in power also means that they won't have to worry about high development costs.
Wrong there is no tegra available today that's only ps4 graphics a 20 Yr deal with nvidea was signed to make low powered tegra s just for Nintendo NO IT WAS SINGED BECAUSE NVIDEA ARE THE LEAD GPU LEAD AI SCALING LEAD PERFORMZNCE PER WATT COMPANY ON THE PLANET we are getting a ps5 level device at 1080p handheld and upto 4k docked... the first a.i core console the first ray trace core console and a cutting edge custom tegra SO deal with it
I just hope that when nintendo does come out with a new console, the joysticks actually work this time
That’s an issue with the manufacturer and not the joysticks themselves
@@madnessarcade7447 then maybe get a better manufacturer. Nintendo isn't poor. They can afford better QC and plants to produce their peripherals. Though that is more argument of raising QC for all of them, if they're going to make everything more expensive.
@@ORLY911 Don't PS and XBox also have problems with their joysticks and get them from the same manufacturer as Nintendo?
@@pablocasas5906 I think so but not to the extent of the joycons, ive only had drift in one DS4 so far, but both my joycons drift like mad.
@mal9369 you do realize drifting has been around since forever right? I've experience drifting for ps 2,gamecube and the switch,it's only happened to me 3 times with 3 different consoles,everyone above me is 100% right
With how technology evolves, it's a bit hard to tell. I'd say when devs can't squeeze any more power from it, which for now leaves it at around 7 years
i mean power isnt everything right? just because it has better graphics doesnt mean its a better game. devs can still make groundbreaking inovations that ISNT just bette graphics. game design, game mechanics, and game ideas can still be released in any console no matter the graphical power (ofc not saying that you can make a new god of war on the N64 but you know what i mean LMAO)
@@duyan3010 I get what you mean but we'd be stuck in the past graphically if we didn't care. Just as people care too much about graphics and realism too much. We need the performance aspect to match. I love my newly bought switch OLED. But don't tell me I should just suck it up and play a game that can barely run 30 fps. Sometimes it's an optimization problem, sometimes it's just an aging hardware.
@@Martin-yh7vi and also there's other aspects of the game's design that can eventually just become too much for the hardware we have now.
Sega genesis isn't dying now and never
Verdade
And neither does the master system (at least in Brazil)
Dream cast us also still getting games but that’s because it’s really easy to make them without a license
It's because people love it, not just because it's easy.
People still make ports to the Saturn and that's top 3 hardest to code for consoles of all time behind the PS2 and 3.
Conversely, the PlayStation was extremely easy to make games for and sees less games than the Atari Jaguar these days.
Discontinued console means dead console
Sega babys eating
It's just exciting to have a new console. Simply put, having the same console and never having anything new come out just gets boring, so a new console provides a fresh template.
Thing is these are publicly traded companies and shareholders are probably demanding that Nintendo release a new console. The line must always be going up. I think Nintendo probably sees that switch sales are starting to level off and they're going to announce the replacement this year with a 2025 release. I think they're going to stay with the same form factor as the switch, so it'll be a handheld and console, but it will just be upgraded in every conceivable way. Better joy cons, better graphics capability, longer battery life, etc. There have been plenty of improvements in tech in the last 7 years and Nintendo will take advantage of them. Hopefully they make it backwards compatible so you can play every Nintendo game ever virtually.
Nah they’ll probably wait until 2027 10th anniversary is the perfect timing
I have no doubt that whatever console comes next will be backwards compatible with the switch. Every other handheld system except for the switch has been backwards compatible
@@madnessarcade7447 Nah the new console is 100% dropping this year.
@@Galo994 Nintendo has always been a secretive company, but never had we so little information about the next generation console. People are hunting for patents and deals with suppliers but all that is usual R&D stuff. There's no doubt they are working on a new hardware, they continuously do so, but at this stage honestly the release date of the next console seems totally unpredictable to me. It could be in 6 months or in 2 years, frankly I don't know.
I vibe with your take on this!!! And I don’t think it’s entirely infeasible for Nintendo in particular. They ran the OG Gameboy model into the fucking DUST, damn near 10 years until the Color came out, all based on being affordable and having good games alone. This is just my opinion, but I feel Microsoft and Sony, because they’re already massive tech companies, aren’t able to get away with dragging out a console’s life as much because of their reputation of always striving for graphical fidelity and cinematic gameplay. Yes, Nintendo gets shit because their consoles are underpowered, but because they’re known for fun and affordability (comparatively to Sony and XBOX) I do believe they could get away with running the switch through a full decade.
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as someone who went from Switch to Steam Deck, i can tell you that consoles aren't the cheaper alternative. What they offer is quality assurance because you know that every Switch game will work on the Switch (even if the game is garbage it will still work how it's made). With Steam not only are games constantly on sale you also have acces to the internet where you can download anything
+ on Steam Deck it really couldn't be easier to get into emulation because Emudeck does all the hard work for you
The strange thing is that at one point in time, people were content with having the same system for seemingly ever. The reason why the Atari 5200 flopped and the Atari 2600 lived on was because the idea that "consumers should replace consoles every so years" alienated consumers. Heck, even "Super Mario World" had some controversy back then because people were upset that they had to buy a new console to play it.
Assuming we're being figurative here; a game console should never die because certain ones will always hold a special place in our ❤😊
The Dreamcast didn't deserve the death it got. So many nostalgic memories from '99-'00.
Just so you know, the 3DS was going to have support up to this day if the Switch didn't succeed. Sometimes companies have their products out for years just because they work fine and i really hope the Switch has that same treatment, it's such a unique console that (in my opinion) it definitely would last a couple more years if Nintendo so chose.
Iirc Nintendo originally said the Switch *wasn't* going to replace the Wii U, and that they would happily co-exist with each other.
The Wii U was discontinued shortly after the Switch's launch.
@@regis_c Wii U was actually discontinued 1 month before Switch launched and it was discontinued because it was a commercial failure.
Game consoles should never die. Who's with me!?
I gotta disagree on this video entirely, an upgrade is needed at some point and even just 10 years is overkill. Unless you’re just flat out broke or live in a third world country, you make an awful argument overall on this
that last point is ridiculous. i still have my atari 2600, that's almost 50 years old, imagine waiting more than 50 years for a new upgrade lmao
If all future indies were released for Switch, I could keep it forever without worries
dad's been telling me for years that they should just make one console that works for every game old and new (that would be a dream come true,I would get to play games that I've always wanted to play but never got to play)
being underpower is a risky move, due of making AAA devs being away from your product like the plague, which could lead to economical disaster or really bad ports that make you wonder: "but why thou"
but the upside is that devs that stay need to do some cooking, which leads to new ideas or retrying old ideas with a twist.
Limitations breed creativity
Nintendo thrives in limitations it allows for more creativity
Sometimes too much freedom means no direction
But within a limitation you can challenge yourself how to be flexible within it like a fun puzzle you experiment with
STOP GIVING A DAMN ABOUT GRAPHICS
IF YOU WANT GOOD GRAPHICS WITH REALISTIC TEXTURES GO OUTSIDE AND HUG A TREE
NINTENDO WAS SMART AND REALIZED WHAT EVERYONE ELSE
IS TOO SLOW TO
Nintendo realised long ago that competing in graphics is pointless. No matter how powerful your console is, in a couple of years it is going to be obsolete, and anybody who really cares about graphics is going to buy a PC, because that is where the best graphics are.
Instead, Nintendo focuses on their strengths:
* Nintendo likes hardware gimmicks, because it makes their console stand out. Nobody bought a Wii because it had the prettiest graphics, they bought a Wii because they wanted to play with the motion controls (An idea so good both the “superior” PS3 and Xbox 360 tried to copy it). The same thing is happening with the Switch: people are buying it because they can play their games anywhere, and can move between a handheld and a home console. They like to focus on giving customers something that they cannot get anywhere else.
* When Nintendo did try to compete on power, they didn’t do very well. The N64 and Gamecube were the most powerful consoles of their generations, but were both massively outsold by the “inferior” PS1 and PS2. The Wii was the weakest of its generation, but outsold the PS3 and Xbox 360. This proves Nintendo’s approach to console design clearly has something going for it.
* Performance is expensive. Performance is even more expensive when you are using it in niche applications. If Nintendo wanted to have something as powerful as an Xbox One or PS4, while still being portable, then it would probably cost twice as much. This means that Nintendo would have to charge more for the console (probably not something the market could sustain) and/or eat a hefty loss on each console sold. Instead, by not focusing on performance, Nintendo make a profit on each console, and keep it at a price point where more people can afford it.
* One of Nintendo’s biggest strengths is their first party titles, all of which rely on stylised graphics and strong art-style. It doesn’t matter that the console is not very powerful when Pokémon, Zelda, Mario (and its millions of spin offs), Smash Bros, Metroid and Donkey Kong are incredibly popular and all don’t care about high end graphics. Why make your console more expensive to make and develop for when you don’t even need it?
* The companies that tend to focus on graphics are third party developers, such as EA, Activision, and Rockstar. If the console sells well (like the Switch currently is), then those developers will find a way to bring their games to it or, failing that, make unique games that work best on the hardware.
* By not competing with the other consoles, or PCs, in terms of power, while offering unique gaming experiences, Nintendo has comfortably found a niche as an optional second system. If you have a PC, PS4 or Xbox One you have very little reason to buy one of the others, because they are all basically the same. Nintendo’s consoles offer things that none of the others offer, and thus can easily tempt people with another gaming device into purchasing it.
* Nintendo has also found a strong market in all ages These people don’t care about graphics, so why waste money on giving them something that they don’t want? An families don’t care that the Switch doesn’t have the best looking games, they’re just happy that they can have fun
Ever since the Wii era Nintendo has. Been trying to train us that power doesn’t matter
Whimsy and imagination and creativity and memorable experiences are more important to them
And y’all still aren’t getting it
Move on from Power
it don’t matter
Nintendo doesn’t want it
They think it’s boring
They don’t care
Official quote from iwata: "Even when we were going to launch the Wii system, there were a lot of voice saying 'Nintendo should stop making hardware'," Iwata recalled, talking to Gamasutra.
"The reasoning behind that was Nintendo would not have any chance against Microsoft and Sony. The fact of the matter was: I did not think Nintendo should compete against these companies with the same message and same entertainment options for people.
"We have not changed our strategy," he added. "In other words, we just do not care what kind of 'more beef' console Microsoft and Sony might produce in 2013. Our focus is on how we can make our new console different than [others]."
The switch is faithful to iwata’s legacy
Well, it has been said that since the N64 era that Nintendo does survive on their own software as opposed to relying in third-party compared to PlayStation and Xbox. Now, the N64, GameCube and Wii had some good to great third-party support and Nintendo handheld from the past had even better third-party support, but the Switch, being a hybrid system, has had a bit of a problem. Being a hybrid home/handheld system that has game in HD that was a direct successor to Nintendo's second biggest failure, most third-parties haven't developed games that take advantage of the Switch's hardware limitations, save for some things like Monster Hunter: Rise, Shin Megami Tensei V, Momotaro Dentetsu, Dragon Quest Monsters 3, among others. But considering how many units the Switch has sold has convinced some developers that there's a potential market for their games for people that only have a Switch as their main console, that why we have seen so many late ports of games that have never been on Nintendo consoles before, though some companies like WB. have attempted to make some of their current gen games like Mortal Kombat and Hogwart's Legacy run on the Switch despite all the setbacks, because they think there's a potential market
I predict that there'll be plenty of ports of games from the PS4/PS4 gen on Nintendo's next console
One thing I enjoy with new console releases is it gives the chance for companies to give new personality to the system. For example, the Miis. Given that fun wordplay is the reason they exist, I could never see something like them showing up if the GameCube was still being used today.
The only issue with the Switch riding it out is that it came out pretty low-spec 7 years ago. A Switch 2 would make sense, because the concept if Switch is perfect, it just needs so more juice to stick around longer.
You are one of the few TH-camrs not enamored with the newest hardware. You got a sub!
There 2 ways to depict how Nintendo could've alternatively had a newer console by now:
1: if only the Wii U had succeeded, the next Nintendo Console would've released maybe in 2019, being even more powerful and graphically better than the Switch, likely due to the fact that it probably wouldn't be a hybrid system (rather a pure TV Console) and that it would have an additional 2 years of development time, without rushing to fix the actual Wii U situation that hypothetically wouldn't have existed.
2: We got the Switch in Q4-2012 instead of the Wii U, and with 4 earlier years of that system's chronology, the well-sales would probably wrap up in 2020 rather than 2024, and as such, it would be able to keep up with the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S, in terms of having enough similarities between their hardware in order to share some third-party games in-common without having to make either laggy Switch games for having better graphics than usual Switch games (such as SpongeBob BFBB Rehydrated), or worse graphics than usual for PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S, or just straight out making 2 different versions of that game so that it could fit the right hardwares for both NintendoSwitch and PlayStation5/XboxSeriesX.
Switch would've been less powerful if it came out in 2012.
@@lol-ih1tl most likely true, but still speculatable for hypothetical alternate timelines.
Actually the ColecoVision sold lots of upgrades. But I think most times they used the term "expansion" which we would call "accessories" today. The Roller Controller, the steering wheel, the Super Action Controller, the VCS Adapter.
Colecovision announced an Expansion Module, and misdelivered with the Adam computer module
As a gamedev 100% agree! I really like the fact that the Switch doesn’t have groundbreaking performance. It really helps you focus on the fun of gameplay rather than mindless realism over everything else!
And it’s still plenty powerful imo, you just need to optimize it well, just study how older 3D games work, specially their optimizations, and you’ll be impressed on what you can achieve on a switch!!
The switch definitely needs an upgrade. 30fps is fine with me but often times it can’t even maintain that in some first party titles. Also quick shout out to dying light on switch. Best running game on the platform somehow!
It's too late for a soft upgrade and even if the next system is backwards compatible, it wouldn't increase the frame rate nor resolution, the only improvement it would make would be faster load times and that's it.
I agree bro. I'm still playing my Nintendo DS games from 2008.
The question is, which console has had the longest lifespan? If I had to guess without researching, I would say the PS2 and it also helped that it was a cheap DVD player too.
Apparently Sega Master Systems are still going strong in Brazil (at least until 2014 when I checked) but idk
To my knowledge, the Atari 2600's final official game, Klax, was released in 1991, 14 years after the system came out
I love your editing but man the nintendo meat riding is crazy. The switch not having 90% of third party games due to its power is one of the main reasons it cant be used as a primary system. Bg3, elden ring and it takes two (all GOTY winners) skipping the switch is brutal
It Takes Two is on the Switch. Also, It's hard to argue that missing BG3 and Elden Ring is brutal when Switch is still curb stomping the competition.
@@Shrapnel82 I agree nintendo has some killer exclusives, but they don't have any games like bg3 or elden ring
@@Shrapnel82In isolation I guess it doesn't need much third party support (especially when the Big Three IMO of Mario, Pokemon and Zelda still sell a lot) but for console gaming as whole I say missing Elden Ring can be seen as a big loss.
The issue is if they need games like BG3 and Elden Ring. You can play either of those on several other platforms. You don't need a PS5, for example, to play BG3. You can play it on the computer. You can only play Tears Of The Kingdom or Super Mario Wonder on Switch.@@rewpertcone8243
You’re making an assumption that Switch can’t be used as a primary system with another assumption that all players prefe to play Elden Ring etc. but many players prefer to not play like that. I know lots of people who prefer Switch’s slate of bright, colorful games with Nintendo IPs. It’s these people who can easily use Switch is their primary console. I am one of those people. Elden Ring holds no appeal to me.
As I get older and my perception of time gets faster I’ve wanted console generations to get longer and longer just so I don't have tp try so hard to keep up with things. I want this console generation to be the longest.
Comparing AC to TLOU is kind of a warped comparison bc there are too many variables (2 different devs, 1 game is multiplat) but I do get your point. I'm thinking a better comparison would be Halo 3 and Halo Reach. Same dev, same amount of platforms, significant improvement :)
Or even Uncharted 1 vs TLOU for that matter!
Should compare uncharted 1 to last of us or AC1 to AC4 black flag that make more sense
Contrary to most comments. My answer is the REGULAR MARKET.
When you go outside and are no longer able to buy first party PS1 controllers, and will need to search second hand to get one, that’s when you can say a console is dead IMO.
Having said this… PS2 was the GOAT of consoles.
I feel like a console should be seen as dead when people stop playing it
It's not just about sheer graphical fidelity, the Switch just buckles under its own weight in terms of performance. A lot of games on it don't run near as well as they should because the hardware is insanely outdated. I'm not talking about how games look, I'm talking about how smoothly they run.
You forgot one crucial thing:
ACCESSIBILITY.
The Switch is only 300 bucks, which is by far the cheapest console on the market. PC is strong, but it takes almost double of the Switch's value just to build a PC that can run next-gen graphics - barely.
PS5 is beginning to normalize games that cost 70 bucks, while Nintendo still releases games that are 50 to 60 bucks on average.
A new Nintendo console that could run games like Sekiro and Elden Ring but is affordable, is backwards compatible, and still a hybrid system is what I want their next console to be. I was impressed when Switch launch and we got games like Skyrim, Fast RMX, and Breath of the Wild on the launch period was an exciting time to be a gamer cause c'mon triple a games that you could not only play at home but on the go too sold me from day one.
You forget that the Gameboy ran for more than a decade before that finally went to bed.
You make me happy Kiro :)
Thank you! I'm so annoyed with all the "gamers" out there parroting that the Switch is unquestionably on it's last legs and in need of an upgrade as if it's the gospel truth. I 100% understand that perspective, but there are so many people like me who don't care! Game design is so much more important. I've played amazing games on my SNES, on PS1, on my phone, on my Game Boy. SNES was my favorite console growing up and released banger after banger, especially late into its life. I'm obviously glad technology moved on eventually, but had it continued for another 5, even 10 years, we would have gotten so many stellar games. If we love those games then, there's no reason we can't love them now.
Mario Odyssey is an amazing game and it looks incredible. Why does any game ever need to look better than Mario Odyssey? Are people already this desensitized to playing beautiful HD videogames on a handheld system? If we loved and revered so many games that were on the Gamecube, well guess what? This handheld system is as powerful as 30 Gamecubes! We should be so lucky! If certain games are starting to tax the Switch, then scale them back until they work! There are tons of open world games and big complex games that run fine or close to fine on the system. That fit perfectly with all the brilliant, innovative indie games that don't need all those resources anyway. Technology really doesn't move as fast as it did in the 90s, so unless you're really obsessed with making a cutting-edge game or photorealistic faces, you should be able to make any kind of great game that you want on the Switch.
(I know that underpowered consoles limit third-party support, but honestly that's what a PS5 is for. And there are definitely some developers that were able to optimize for the system. And dang it this is my post, so I'll just say that they shouldn't be so focused on using every last ounce of power anyway! It's a waste of development resources and doesn't necessarily lead to a better or more fun game. Their fault!
Also, this post is intentionally a little petty and one-sided. I totally get the upsides to upgrading, and why many people feel strongly that it's necessary. I know increased processing power can genuinely be a big help to certain types of games. I was mainly trying to present a heavy dose of the other perspective that you never ever seem to see)
I feel like, after trying really hard to cater to hardcore gamers with the Wii U (With games like ZombiU, for example). They've just given up on hardcore gamers at this point.
I mean you can't blame them, stuff like Mario Wonder and ToTK sells, and it sells well.
this is the first time I completely disagree with you lmaoooo
Same haha
Kiro I swear on gods name- I got so excited that you uploaded that I grabbed my phone so fast that it fell into the full sink. You do such an excellent job with these mini documentaries. Keep up the hard work, we are all here supporting you!
(P.S. I don’t know if you fancy Arcade Games, but I feel like covering SNK’s NeoGeo system would be a blast for you. I’m a huge fan of SNK’s history, but there’s not many good sources on it apart from books on certain games. I’d love to see you take a crack at it!)
Thanks for the support! I appreciate it. I haven't played a ton of SNK stuff, so I could potentially cover it once I get more familiar with their library.
Just recently found your channel and am really enjoying. You put out some great stuff.
I'd be interested in a follow up to this video, where you discuss this same topic in the frame of handhelds. I run into so many people who play handheld Switch only, but I think it's one of those things like "sit to wipe vs stand to wipe" (if you'll excuse the gnarly simile) where each group doesn't know the other exists 😂
Gotta love some kiro talks while eating food 😋
I'm really sorry man but did you see how the new zelda came out? Don't get me wrong it's an amazing game and I played like 200 hours or so, but DAMN those frames dropped. If nintendo wants to make more games like totk or botw they NEED more power. Also, 3rd party games (in most cases) don't have as many resouces as nintendo to optimize stuff. So their games end up looking and feeling WAY worse than in any other platform. All I'm trying to say is that if I (and many more people) have more fun emulating your games (that I own) rather than playing them on the console they're meant to be played, there's something wrong with it.
Edit: I don't want this comment to be missunderstood. I really liked the video and I think you do have a point in everything you say. I just wanted to share my view on the subject.
I been playing on console for so long and since like 2017 I been thinking of buying a pc just because of mods or custom maps on some games like Minecraft or BO3 and I would like to get into Minecraft again and mods can help that a lot 😌and just having better graphics
Game consoles also die because stores like Walmart, Target, Best Buy and GameStop have a limited amount of space to sell game consoles, so when the new console is released, they won't have enough room to sell games for the old console as well as the new console. So the old console has to go at some point. You never see stores sell an NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, Wii, Wii U and Switch at the same time (outside of some mom 'n pop retro gaming shops).
Also, Nintendo needs a Switch successor. A lot of their own games struggle in performance, not just third-party. There's a lot of shimmering and blurriness in their bigger, more demanding Switch games like the Zelda games and Xenoblade. TOTK looks rough, especially in handheld mode.
0:35 I feel like they’re between a rock and a hard place with naming it because of keeping the name recognition but not confusing parents like with the WiiU
Counter argument: There needs to be some kind of upgrade from Switch. Games like Pokemon suffer from some severe frame drops that some processor, ram, and graphic card upgrades can improve. Maybe even moving to an SSD would be beneficial to improve load times (like with Tears of the Kingdom).
Or... you can just grab a Steam Deck, and it's already like having a Switch Pro.
Pokemon runs poorly because of poor optimization. Switch is powerful enough to run every Pokemon game at 60fps but Game Freak devs don't have enough time to optimize the games with the strict deadlines.
Games that run poorly like Hyrule Warriors or Pokémon are because of poorly optimization. Also a Steam deck is not the same as a switch pro, because of its low battery and switch games can only be emulated, not played natively
The WiiU being closer to the switch really tripped me up
I would also like to bring up that a console also dies when it becomes easily exploited. The Switch already has heaps of emulators come out that are getting more powerful each year, and I think that making a new console, upgrading security, would cause a lot more of an incentive for people to buy if it's the only way to play those games. Since it becomes easier to hack the older it becomes.
Eh, the Wii has been hackable since 2007, and it still ended up being the 2nd best-selling home console to date
If anything, I'd argue it brings attention to the system because consumers will realize, "Wait, I could do that?"
Been gaming since 76 with Super Pong and gotten every consoles from 77 till today and the longest life span of a console officially in the US was The Atari VCS (2600) from 1977 till 1992.
I still have my Nintendo, Switch, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, and play them frequently. I have an Xbox 1 that i rarely play.
The span between the Wii and WiiU was 6 Years. They waited with the WiiU until the sales of Wii games were dwindling. The Wii had much weaker hardware than the competition and it showed in the long run, while the "gimmick" was nothing relevant anymore. So no one was excited to have a kind of "Wii HD", the Wii was dead. In summary: You need to still be relevant in the gaming market when your new console drops, you need to keep up with the competition to get 3rd party games. The Switch is only PS3/360 Era strong. Nintendo desperatly needs to bring a successor now or they will face the same problems again.
What if in an alternate timeline, only eight console Gens existed? While each of them was always 5-years long. From 1st Gen(2D 2-Bit, 1975-1980) to 8th Gen(3D 256-Bit, 2010-2015). While Sega never made mistakes and still did consoles for a few more Gens. And after the 8th Gen, game companies like Nintendo and Sega just did games on smart devices from that point onwards? Imagine growing up in that parallel universe with altered memories and experiences. How'd the gaming industry and community have looked like? And what about the Sonic franchise?
One think I would like to see happen to Nintendo's next portable console is Quick Resume like feature.
On my Xbox Series X, or even Series S, it's a very valuable thing to have since it allows me to switch game on the fly. Imagine playing game like Baldurs Gate 3 during some hot scene and my kid coming to watch TV, I can switch to other games instantly and come back to exact scene later.
I think Switch being underpowered has been an oddly great move for Nintendo and Switch developers. They're not caught in this race of making AAAA 200+ million dollar games on the latest tech. I do want the next Switch to have more power for performance and FPS reasons, but I'm fine with it otherwise.
In context it isn't underpowered.
It's a battery powered handheld with thermal limits and its direct comparison would be the PS Vita, not the PS5.
It IS the strongest handheld by a dedicated games company we've had.
That’s always been Nintendo for the entire 2000’s worse hardware but better ideas
As a classic said:
"Legends never die"
this is an underrated channel!
It's more likely the next nintendo console will be a 'Super Switch' rather than a 'Switch 2' just bc Nintendo has no precedent for doing numbered sequel consoles. It's usually like NES - SNES or Wii - Wii U or DS - DS lite / 3DS / 2DS
The main issue with keeping the Switch going is the hardware limitations of the system. Many third party ports have been struggling to run properly on the thing, or take the wrong kind of alternative methods to work around its limitations, like locking the game behind cloud streaming. It's especially an issue with the 9th generation of consoles pushing for ray tracing and support for realistic graphics. Not to mention faulty tech behind the Switch's hardware that Nintendo still continues to ignore.
Though to be honest, a successor to the Switch will still be likely to happen within a year or two from now, since they've slowed down a bit from releasing new games in favour of more HD remasters. Maybe if they were to make it backwards compatible with the Switch, it would hopefully keep sales for Switch games flowing just a little bit longer. I mean, it would be ridiculous if they didn't incorporate backwards compatibility in any form for the new system, since the Xbox Series X/S and PS5 already have that feature.
Unless there's a major breakthrough, I expect the current generation of consoles to last at least 10 years as games take longer to develop and are way more expensive to make. the graphical jumps from generation to generation are becoming less noticeable.
Even the Ps4 can play used ps4 disc games from used bargain bins .
Ps4 made 3,454 different games that will keep a person busy for a long while .
Exactly. Law of diminishing returns. We are maxing out what we can do in terms of console gaming. So many side by side comparisons PS4 vs PS5 show not that much of a difference. Definitely an improvement, but not a huge one.
@@bane3991 Many of these side by side TH-cam videos are maxed out at 1080p in YT settings . *Like This One*
Which makes the ps4 vs Ps5 side by side look the same .
No Ps5 game plays at 1080p.
Yes in the real world a Ps4 1080p/30fps does not look like a Ps5 1440p/60fps.
I didn’t get a switch all to long ago just at the start of 22 so I want at least another year before a new console but also I think they’ll need a better launch lineup then they could release this year I think they need at least a new Mario and Zelda titles maybe a Zelda rerelease of the GameCube games or ocorina remake but definitely a new 3d Mario
personally i don't want consoles to die because that would mean buying a whole new system. Don't get me wrong the innovation from new consoles can be cool but if their current ecosystem is doing well then i don't see why companies HAVE to make new consoles
especially Nintendo since they stopped caring about power since the Wii
The Nintendo Switch uses a mobile processor, the Tegra X1, and because of it, it’s more of a handheld, with means that when this video released, the latest Nintendo home console had 11y1m25d 0:16
Competition is a big factor. Keeping the NES alive allowed Sega to become a threat with the Genesis. Killing the Xbox early really helped the Xbox 360 take off.
"In a few months the Switch will be 7 years old"
The way that statement makes me feel old is understated to say the least
Great vid kiro
Mobile gaming advanced 2 decades in the last 7 years.
This video just sounds like a good way to make people move to PC. Scarlet and Violet struggled to run on the Switch anyway.
that's the dev's and TPC's fault. Many other titles look and run better on the Switch.
This is just me personally but i would think dropping a new "switch" would just be a bad idea, letting history repeat itself. "Oh hey we need a more powerful wii which is a really successful console" boom the wiiU. "hey we need a more powerful DS" boom 3Ds (yes i know the 3ds is still beloved and all and i personally love it to but compared to what nintendo and people think it was going to sell, it was a FARCRY.)
im just saying, i really dont like the way games are heading (outside of nintendo), oh hey this new game can load 2 seconds faster than the first but its pretty much the same game! hey you can see 2 more strands of hair in this game! this is game of the year!
yes ik now graphical advances are great but its getting to a point of plateauing. You don't need graphical BEASTS of consoles to make better games. I rather play a game with innovative mechanics, innovative gameplay, and innovative idea rather than innovative graphics or framerate or loading time etc.
the switch has still MILLIONS of potential to drop these innovative games even IF its not graphically impressive. games des by now MASTERED developing for the switch and will be dropping never to be seen innovative stuff and i am for sure excited. even if its an old console.
This might be the first video I've seen that doesn't clamour for a new Switch/Nintendo console. No joke, hearing people rumor a new Switch year after year is so frustrating. Why can't you be happy with what you have?
People only appreciate Nintendo consoles years after their successors came out.
Anyone knows what the lion king game at 3:51 is called? And where can I get it? I remember playing it as a kid lol
I think the Atari 200 should be brought up as it was having games made for it like 20 years after its release.
Playstation 2 and Neo Geo lasted 14 years. It's not about the hardware, but what the developers do with it. Look at Last of Us on PS3. It looked close to PS4 quality.
As for the Switch, it's more like a handheld than a console. Gameboy lasted from 1989 to 2003. That's a long time to play dithered versions of NES titles. If the players are happy, the system can live a very long time.
I think another thing to consider is how many people are still buying the console. If we think about the PS4 for example, SO many people eventually ended up with a PS4 to the point where Sony basically didn't need to sell anymore because they couldn't really sell any more. Anybody who wanted a PS4 had pretty much gotten one by then so it was time to bring the new kid on campus around. When the customer base has been near enough saturated and there's nothing more to sell, time to give them the next big thing
I still play my ps Vita every day and have already changed the battery once and most likely will keep on going for a fair few years yet. So long you you look after your tech and play repayable games, consoles have the potential to last decades
I think 5 to 10 years is enough time for a console's lifespan before the next one comes out. In terms of how long it should last afterwards just depends on the situation. There's people that act like as soon as the next one comes out, the previous one should just get no more support. That wouldn't make sense financially. But yeah, between 5 and 10 years is a good enough lifespan for a console before the next.
new consoles are only made by demand. developers are probably getting frustrated by the console limitations; most consumers already have one; the technology to make a meaningful upgrade at good price is there. those factors determine when a new console gets released which just so happens to be about 5-7 years.
I'm not a Nintendo defender and I would like a successor to the Switch but I don't really seem to understand people shitting on it for being underpowered and games running terribly. I've had the original Switch from 2017 and I don't remember having a single problem with the console
I got it later than you and I haven’t had any issue with how the consoles play *most* games either
I do feel like people exaggerate the Switch issues. I've had mine since the year they released and it still runs as smooth as ever. Yes, I have had a few times where a couple games performance slowed a bit. But that was only when there was either a lot on screen (in Tears of the Kingdom building an insanely long bridge using only logs) or where the game itself has been poorly designed (like Pokemon Scarlet/Violet where the game runs pretty slow when it rains in game).
@@DRAG0NSPIRIT10Pokémon isn’t poorly designed they just had other priorities
I know that the game isn’t perfect and that there’s issues
Pokémon is a franchise where the theme is friendship is magic and meeting cute and cool unique monsters
What the hell does graphics and performance have to do with those things?
Nothing if you wanna criticize a franchise criticize it on whether or not it delivered on the messages and themes it promised
Was friendship magic?
Did you meet cute and cool unique creatures?
Ok then it’s a good game
Those are what’s important to Pokémon
As the og theme said
Pokémon is about
Oh your my best friend in a world we must defend
I will travel across the land searching far and wide each pokemon to understand the power that’s inside
Our hearts so true our courage will pull us through
you teach me and I teach you”
That’s what it is about and that’s what it will always be about and if that’s what it continues to be about until the end
Then that’s a strong enough ending for me
Not sure what graphics and animation and performance has to do with that
Performance graphics those things never Mattered
You have to remember pokemon games have only been 3D since 2013 that’s pretty recent compared to other games like Zelda that have been 3D since the 90s and early 2000s so obviously they’re gonna be behind Mixed with the fact that They can’t delay the game because main console for only 5 years compared to Zelda since n64
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
they are still learning as they go so y’all gotta be patient and give them time to catch up
Their partnership with take two they’ll apply what they learn back into Pokémon so that’s good
You have to remember gamefreak are inexperienced with developing open world games so of course there will be some trial and error the more they work on and improve the game and do future games the better at it they’ll get
Rome wasn’t built in a day we need to be patient
Assuming we get more open world games
NOT TO MENTION ScarVi’s development was probably screwed up by the pandemic
Probably turned it upside down
And before u say just delay the game
They can’t delay the game
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
it’s not outdated it’s rebellious and nonconformist
They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that
the lore and the stories surrounding the legendaries are unique no other series has that stuff it’s special
Voice acting has become overused it’s not special anymore not including voice acting makes the series more unique and stand out more and be different
If they added voice acting it would lose what makes it special and be blended in with every other rpg
not every game needs voice acting and if a game wants to do voice acting it should be the developer’s choice the games not having voice acting actually makes them stand out and be unique
Don’t force them to do something they don’t feel comfortable doing yet
They’ll get there one day when they choose to
It’s like sex
Don’t force it let them get to that decision organically and on their own
The choice to not have voice acting is rebellious and nonconformist
They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that
@@DRAG0NSPIRIT10for Pokémon
The lore was good
The writing was good
The music was good
The vibes were good
The messages were good
The designs were good
The region was good
That’s all you really need
Graphics,frame rate,art style none of that superficial stuff matters
@@DRAG0NSPIRIT10pokemon isn’t a mess they just had other priorities
Can’t believe people still care about that frame stuff
I’m sorry people got so lost and brainwashed by the superficialities of the industry you forgot what Pokémon was originally about
And I know that the game isn’t perfect and that there’s issues
Pokémon is a franchise where the theme is friendship is magic and meeting cute and cool unique monsters
What the hell does graphics and performance have to do with those things?
Nothing if you wanna criticize a franchise criticize it on whether or not it delivered on the messages and themes it promised
Was friendship magic?
Did you meet cute and cool unique creatures?
Ok then it’s a good game
Those are what’s important to Pokémon
As the og theme said
Pokémon is about
Oh your my best friend in a world we must defend
I will travel across the land searching far and wide each pokemon to understand the power that’s inside
Our hearts so true our courage will pull us through
you teach me and I teach you”
That’s what it is about and that’s what it will always be about and if that’s what it continues to be about until the end
Then that’s a strong enough ending for me
Not sure what graphics and animation and performance has to do with that
Performance graphics those things never Mattered
You have to remember pokemon games have only been 3D since 2013 that’s pretty recent compared to other games like Zelda that have been 3D since the 90s and early 2000s so obviously they’re gonna be behind Mixed with the fact that They can’t delay the game because main console for only 5 years compared to Zelda since n64
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
they are still learning as they go so y’all gotta be patient and give them time to catch up
Their partnership with take two they’ll apply what they learn back into Pokémon so that’s good
You have to remember gamefreak are inexperienced with developing open world games so of course there will be some trial and error the more they work on and improve the game and do future games the better at it they’ll get
Rome wasn’t built in a day we need to be patient
Assuming we get more open world games
NOT TO MENTION ScarVi’s development was probably screwed up by the pandemic
Probably turned it upside down
And before u say just delay the game
They can’t delay the game
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
it’s not outdated it’s rebellious and nonconformist
They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that
the lore and the stories surrounding the legendaries are unique no other series has that stuff it’s special
Voice acting has become overused it’s not special anymore not including voice acting makes the series more unique and stand out more and be different
If they added voice acting it would lose what makes it special and be blended in with every other rpg
not every game needs voice acting and if a game wants to do voice acting it should be the developer’s choice the games not having voice acting actually makes them stand out and be unique
Don’t force them to do something they don’t feel comfortable doing yet
They’ll get there one day when they choose to
It’s like sex
Don’t force it let them get to that decision organically and on their own
The choice to not have voice acting is rebellious and nonconformist
They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that
Nintendo thrives in limitations it allows for more creativity
Sometimes too much freedom means no direction
But within a limitation you can challenge yourself how to be flexible within it like a fun puzzle you experiment with
STOP GIVING A DAMN ABOUT GRAPHICS
IF YOU WANT GOOD GRAPHICS WITH REALISTIC TEXTURES GO OUTSIDE AND HUG A TREE
NINTENDO WAS SMART AND REALIZED WHAT EVERYONE ELSE
IS TOO SLOW TO
Nintendo realised long ago that competing in graphics is pointless. No matter how powerful your console is, in a couple of years it is going to be obsolete, and anybody who really cares about graphics is going to buy a PC, because that is where the best graphics are.
Instead, Nintendo focuses on their strengths:
* Nintendo likes hardware gimmicks, because it makes their console stand out. Nobody bought a Wii because it had the prettiest graphics, they bought a Wii because they wanted to play with the motion controls (An idea so good both the “superior” PS3 and Xbox 360 tried to copy it). The same thing is happening with the Switch: people are buying it because they can play their games anywhere, and can move between a handheld and a home console. They like to focus on giving customers something that they cannot get anywhere else.
* When Nintendo did try to compete on power, they didn’t do very well. The N64 and Gamecube were the most powerful consoles of their generations, but were both massively outsold by the “inferior” PS1 and PS2. The Wii was the weakest of its generation, but outsold the PS3 and Xbox 360. This proves Nintendo’s approach to console design clearly has something going for it.
* Performance is expensive. Performance is even more expensive when you are using it in niche applications. If Nintendo wanted to have something as powerful as an Xbox One or PS4, while still being portable, then it would probably cost twice as much. This means that Nintendo would have to charge more for the console (probably not something the market could sustain) and/or eat a hefty loss on each console sold. Instead, by not focusing on performance, Nintendo make a profit on each console, and keep it at a price point where more people can afford it.
* One of Nintendo’s biggest strengths is their first party titles, all of which rely on stylised graphics and strong art-style. It doesn’t matter that the console is not very powerful when Pokémon, Zelda, Mario (and its millions of spin offs), Smash Bros, Metroid and Donkey Kong are incredibly popular and all don’t care about high end graphics. Why make your console more expensive to make and develop for when you don’t even need it?
* The companies that tend to focus on graphics are third party developers, such as EA, Activision, and Rockstar. If the console sells well (like the Switch currently is), then those developers will find a way to bring their games to it or, failing that, make unique games that work best on the hardware.
* By not competing with the other consoles, or PCs, in terms of power, while offering unique gaming experiences, Nintendo has comfortably found a niche as an optional second system. If you have a PC, PS4 or Xbox One you have very little reason to buy one of the others, because they are all basically the same. Nintendo’s consoles offer things that none of the others offer, and thus can easily tempt people with another gaming device into purchasing it.
* Nintendo has also found a strong market in all ages These people don’t care about graphics, so why waste money on giving them something that they don’t want? An families don’t care that the Switch doesn’t have the best looking games, they’re just happy that they can have fun
Ever since the Wii era Nintendo has. Been trying to train us that power doesn’t matter
Whimsy and imagination and creativity and memorable experiences are more important to them
And y’all still aren’t getting it
Move on from Power
it don’t matter
Nintendo doesn’t want it
They think it’s boring
They don’t care
Official quote from iwata: "Even when we were going to launch the Wii system, there were a lot of voice saying 'Nintendo should stop making hardware'," Iwata recalled, talking to Gamasutra.
"The reasoning behind that was Nintendo would not have any chance against Microsoft and Sony. The fact of the matter was: I did not think Nintendo should compete against these companies with the same message and same entertainment options for people.
"We have not changed our strategy," he added. "In other words, we just do not care what kind of 'more beef' console Microsoft and Sony might produce in 2013. Our focus is on how we can make our new console different than [others]."
The switch is faithful to iwata’s legacy
I think it would be interesting to think especially of if the Nintendo 64 had last 2 or 3 more years, been thought of as more than just few years of late '90s.
I was hoping the Switch would die soon and then you tell me the next console is gonna be a sequel?! F*ck me...
I feel bad for leaving your channel, your new videos are spectacular
Edit: JESUS CHRIST SO THIS IS THE POWER OF THE INTERNET
Who knew I, some middle school weeb would start this big a war in comment section. Like I made a spelling error that’s it 😭😭😭 I never knew I would end up in a debate with grown ass adults about correct spelling
I swear I just got out of school and I see 20 FREAKING REPLIES ABOUT SPELLING ERRORS, TOUCHING GRASS, ANIME PFPS AND… THIS, This is the comment of all time.
Your. You are not saying "i feel bad I left you are channel", YOU'RE saying "I feel bad for leaving your channel" your is possessive. Meaning that something belongs to you or the person you're speaking to. You're is a combination of you and are. Can the entire youtube comments section take notes please lmao.
@@808Slush my bad I misspelled
@@808Slush oh my god please go outside lmao
@@aweebwhoexists64 yes you did🤣
@@RoseBlush64 I'm at work rn I'm outside idk what you going on about
Yeah, someone said it looks too good to be a PS2 game, Persona 4, I was playing P4G, but it was pretty late on PS2, the PS3 had been out awhile
I never knew they had souls.. they never smile back, just turns themselves on, and gets heated up..
I totally agree with your takes here
I must say that with FSR and NVIDIAS DLSS the liefespan of decade old Hardte like the GTX10xx series what increased for multiple years.
I can definitely see the argument for just rolling with a switch, but with the current switch oled, it’s just barely enough power to run the most powerful games like totk. Perhaps we may see a new Nintendo switch, with that small library of exclusives like we saw for the new 3ds.
2:19 and I consider the Super FX chip a midgen upgrade too
I still play PS4, it's still getting new releases 2024 and the online multiplayer is still very active.
The reason they HAVE to make a new switch is because the chip the Nintendo switch uses is 11 years old. They ordered 15 million of them. And that’s it after that it’s gone they literally can’t sell any more units after that.
I wholeheartedly agree with you here. Design wise, the Switch is nearing perfection - all it needs is a little more power, and that console will be fit to last another 20 years; and I don’t see any problem with that.