Reminds me of Mayuri from Bleach's quote about how he hates perfection, as it is the end of imagination, and how a real scientist should strive for perfection but never achieve it
Viktor went from on of the weakest citizen in piltiver to the most powerful being on the planet. Jayce went from the ruler of the kingdom to a powerless cripple fighting his way out of the undercity. They both lost their humanity by becoming a machine and by becoming a savage, yet it was affection that brought them back.
@yamatanoorochi3149 my guy ate bugs in a cave for months, went insane scratching cave drawings, and killed salo and Viktor after being back for one day Agreed tho - he's definitely a survivor, and definitely my favorite character in the show
The rune Victor gives Jayce in 0:53 is the acceleration rune, the one Ekko used to create the Time Loop. So it was by giving this exact rune that allows Ekko to come back to his reality and save Jayce.
@maksim557 Despite that, I still think Ekko is the goat. Victor was trying to fix his mistake, but Ekko chose to abandon a reality where he could have everything he ever dreamed. But still chose to go back, and was the one who saved Jayce and showed Victor what he needed to see
RIP to the original old man victor, hes the only victor out of all the timelines, that is locked in the original "dreamess solitude" of an empty world with no humans "alive" He was giving the runestones to all of the other timelines, trying to help Jayce stop different Victors from reaching "Glorious Evolution".
since he succeeded, can’t he just turn back time or ditch his reality or something considering he probably has abilities akin to a god as original old man viktor no?
I'm pretty sure the implication is that the glorious evolution happens one way or another with or without Jayce and this is the only way Viktor found to prevent it
@@f0xyLuv No, in order for Hextech to be invented certain variables have to be met, with the instigating variables being Ekko's tip. Otherwise, these "destined soul mates" do not meet and do not invent Hextech.
0:39 i just realized when he said that line "only end to pursuit" his tone changed and he looked up as he was warning his past self. The details in this series is crazy!
One neat detail I noticed is something part of Future Viktor's nigh-omniscience. At heart he's a scientist, his purpose is to find the answer to a question. Yet he evolved to a point where he could solve every single problem and attain perfection. But in doing so he has stripped the one thing that drives every scientist, that ability to question which leads to the pursuit for an answer. And in a perfect world, there is nothing to question. And as such, Future Viktor *_NEVER_* asks any questions. Every line is just a statement.
There's a speech about perfection in a manga called Bleach, it's from a character that is supposedly a scientist, and it's about this you just said Edit: I found it so here it is if you are curious. The 'perfect being' you said... well... I have to tell you the honest truth as I see it. In this world nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliché after all, but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue to concept of perfection, it's infatuation... But ultimately I have to ask myself what is the true meaning of being perfect and the answer I came up with was: nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection. If something is truly perfect, that's it. The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination, no space for intelligence or ability or improvement. Do you understand to men of science like us perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you, but not perfect. Science has agonized over the attempt to achieve perfection. That's the kind of creatures we are. We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end we have to admit may in fact be unreachable. In other words, you may think the we operate on the same level, but you're wrong. The moment you started talking about perfection you embraced an impossible concept and you already lost to me. That is of course if you are indeed a scientist at all.
Yes, things become perfect. Then there is nothing to evolve. Viktor has nothing to question anymore because there is nothing beyond. Life becomes boring. And more importantly, there is no one to share your findings with and no audience to praise you willingly. The question I have is why he couldn't reverse anything? Undoing his work.
@@sha3599 the way I see it he can't too much time had passed before he realized the truth and even then when he realized the truth and wanted to undo it he couldn't, so he went back to the one person who could stop him the one who would make him open his eyes to the truth of perfection. The one person who could make him stop before it's too late he realized thou all the times he went back only jayce could stop him , then he tried countless times, countless ways to help set jayce up to stop him down the road, it never really says how many times he reset time how many times he went back or what else he tried to change to stop the future he created. Just that he tried also maybe hextech was his life's work where he found a friend so he thought he had to let it exist but just make sure it was used right because if he made sure it didn't exist, what happens when someone else creates it and decides to continue the cycle in a more dark way.
“They made you who you are. An inseparable piece of everything I admired about you.” “In all timelines, in all possibilities, only you can show me this.” 😭ARCANE, you fvckin masterpiece changing lives, thank you
1. Tone deaf statement. Viktor is ill because of Piltover. If I was Viktor I'd punch Jayce for saying that. 2. If Viktor wanted to end the GE, he could've let Jayce die. bootstrap paradox. He's creating his own world destruction because he's bored and lonely.
@@blacktigerpaw1 the first point is something that stuck with me as well. Victor wasn't originally trying to cure his disability necessarily but to find a way to save his life, which is why i think he went through the transformation process in the first place..
Yeah that's after he petrified his original Jayce and basically kept him as a prisoner for eternity. Jayce could've avoided the transformation of Viktor by talking to him in the commune.
@@christopherm.1258 I think so many artists (myself included) that their big break is the goal, when really perfection lies in the making of art itself, not the final product
@Metalcherrytree Depending on the art. If it is painting or music, I agree, but when you talk about story writing I think breaks are a good thing sometimes. You fall into plotholes and characters acting out of character. Thinking about, how it makes sense is with writing realy important. But it also depends on what kind of story you want to tell. A simple story like star wars doesn't need as much of a thought process than a realy complex story like Arcane. (Don't want to say "star wars is just for kids" or anything like it.)
The animation of Viktor’s facial expression when he loses his Herald mindset is so subtle but so so so beautiful . He’s experiencing so many emotions at once, the antithesis of his goal: the shock at his future self the confusion of seeing a supposedly perfect world being so imperfect the sadness when he realizes he is actually destroying everything he worked for and turning his back on his beliefs of aiding those who needed it. It overwhelms him and he cant stop it and then… he finally breaks free
I love the silence after Jayce's question, "Why did you ever give me this?" This is probably the first time Viktor has been able to talk to Jayce in years. And it really feels like Viktor is carefully choosing his words to explain to Jayce how much he means to him. Truly a Friendship for the ages.
This is the prime example of what Mayuri Kurotsuchi ranted on about with Zyleapparo. Perfection is a means to an end in science. Its why he hates the very idea of something being perfect so much. If everything is perfect theres no room for improvement if theres no room for improvement there can be no way forward. You literally stand in one point for the rest of eternity. Same with viktor. If you find every answer then theres no more questions. If theres no more questions, theres no more curiosity. Perfection is an ideal with the realization that its a nightmare.
yeah, mayuri did have a point with what he said i think his bankai being an everchanging thing he willingly breaks to imrpove it does fit him very well too in that regard
@gadrielvanorion9872 some even theorize that's why Cell lost to Gohan all those years ago. His strength was already capped. It was just insanely high. His perfect form had a limit to it that he physically couldn't surpass bc that's how he was designed.
@ronin_bloodstaring into the void of cosmic infinity, suspended in the true realty of the entire universe, wrapped in the arms of the only other being who can possibly comprehend what he can, Jayce whispered in Viktor’s ear “no homo”.
Gurren Lagann: "One day you're digging a hole underground for steaks and the next you're fighting God in a pocket dimension of a theoretical hyperverse."
Would prefer it to go much slower, without time travel ect. Too much happening every episode. I liked the start where they were figthting chem tech barons
@@nayussysuccer it depends if u got brainwashed by the media and elite to be gay or u were born like that . Int he first case i would say yes because ur being part of the downfall of the western worlds actively just cause of a trend , for the second case no
And so the inevitable conclusion is that a lot of the peoples suffering is their own choices, born of their own autonomy, and often being unable to predict the consequences of their actions. Viktor used the Glorious Evolution to end suffering... but also happiness, by taking away free will.
I don't think happiness and free will are linked concepts. It is more that being constrained (freedom being taken away) leads to feeling unhappy/frustrated. yay or nay?
Yeah, I don't but the conclusion of the show that happiness and free will are linked. I think what actually dooms the world is Heimerdinger's conclusion that the arcane has its own negative side effect similar to but more malicious than the social and mental side effects having such power does to people and society and the Arcane side effect to Viktor's program was turning everyone into unfeeling automata.
@@Snummie I disagree, while lacking free will would certainly make one feel constrained I do not think it would rob people of all happiness. Like just look at history, in the past everyone was constrained by official social rules, did that mean everyone was always depressed?.
"there is no prize to perfection, only the end to persuit" Is quite literally the description of how Dopamine works. What makes us feel in balance and slightly happy is the persuit wich is what increases Dopamine compared to the starting point, once we achieve the persuit the level crash down to where they began and we experience a temporary sadness/depression before the process repeats again. the higher the Dopamine peaks the happier and the most depressed you will feel in equal proportion
I just realized, jayce didn't have to kill viktor in ep 7. All he had to do was touch him and viktor woulda understood. I guess the lesson here was that problems could have been avoided if people just talked it out before resorting to killing.
Yeah Probably? But how are you going to talk to someone you just saw who is going to be the reason the world ends, and worst of all, you weren't sent to the past to stop it, but to the present, where this person is halfway to completing what you saw, and not to mention that you spent months in a cave alone, suffering pain from your infected broken leg, eating infected fish, Suffering constant headaches because you're somewhere you shouldn't be, completely paranoid that things out there could attack you at any moment and you can't do anything, Not to mention the constant voices in your head repeating all your mistakes over and over and over again...kinda hard to talk when you're stressed the fuck out and almost blacking out from it and can only see flashes of the Horrors you saw
Jayce literally saw the city in ruin, everyone dead or made a robot, and on top of it, his robot body holding the hammer, but at the end he is in the same situation as his future self and he finally accepts viktor's touch
@Kirionlol idk man, probably talking to someone first like people who care about you. It's not like jayce was fighting all of it on his own in the first place. It's not like he's out of people who wouldn't back him up and he still had some influence in the council being the man of progress himself. But i guess this is just one of the many iterations in which jayce and viktor save each other. He had some time to calm himself down and collect his thoughts before going back too. Even if what you say is true, he still ended up having to rally people up to arms but with a much worse chances of surviving. Bottomline is, we could have gotten an alive jayce, viktor, isha and possibly vander given what he knew. And he knew from experience that rushing into things don't end well when he unintentionally killed a kid during their chem bank raid.
@@Kirionlol true. if jayce just showed up singing kumbaya, it wouldn't have had the same impact. him making a wrong decision followed up by the right one is what make the journey relatable. it is never too late.
You know what is crazy? Even through countless timelines Viktor still didn't acount for Ekko. Sure the right rune enabled Viktor and Jayce to stop the hextech corruption but if Ekko didn't return and made that last clutch, if Heimerdinger didn't sacrifice himself, it would be all the same. Ekko and Heimer are the true MVPs of Arcane
@riarirember Yeah I know, doesn't make his sacrifice any less impactful. Do mind though that there is a possibility of him being transported into different timeline or even erased out of existence
I think he does account for ekko and heim, but only a specific rune is what make this possible, look at ekko z drive, it use the same rune as this one. In different time line with different rune z drive probably have different functions. While ekko and heim is important but without this rune there's will be no z drive.
@@il3967 Yeah I agree about importance of this rune but Viktor did not create them. He basically did the same as Ekko and Heimer - experimented with each one to see what will it result in. They both basically invented time travel but on different scale. The important difference here is that Jayce was probably transported into the future while Ekko and Heimerdinger end up in completely different timeline. That's why I think that Viktor probably did not forsee invention of Z-drive
@@riarirember I don't know anything about LoL but are they just immortal gremlins then?? How do they repopulate if they're immortal? Is there's some kind of end to the lifespan or what.
I was so SURPRISED that this mysterious magician is VICTOR! My jaw dropped when I saw it and screamed NO WAAY ITS HIM ALL THE TIME!! And okay it is! I am even more surprised that during all this time Victor often threw different runes into DIFFERENT TIME PARALLELS. That's how many times it happened that Jace or one of the characters lost to Victor and Runterra met his own end many times! And only with a suitable rune and unexpected luck did Ekko manage to fix everything! This show is just a DIAMOND
Ekko is the catalyst. Without him, Jayce and Viktor don't meet. Of course, Viktor creating a time loop to prevent an apocalypse he keeps creating is something.
something I just noticed, Viktor's faceplate had it's own mouth. I was under the impression that that was his face, but in fact he had a mask on top of a mask, there's irony in there somewhere.
Mind you, Viktor always watch and witness what happened tO Jayce eversince he pulled him into his timeline. So he just watches him broke his leg, eat bugs, crying, escapes the pit and limping through his journey with a cane just like Viktor. I could imagine in his breath Viktor saying "YES! THAT'S HOW IT FEELS!!!"
I still can’t believe there are people on Reddit and X who say the animation is terrible. If the blind had their eyes they see the beauty they have utterly missed
For the yhe record it isn't time travel its multiverse travel that Viktor is from the destroyed timeline and now he disguises as a mage and makes sure other worlds doesn't end up like his
I really love in 1:07 How Viktor is facing the true. Whats happening, what he will do with the arcane, he will lose everything, his bro, his achievements. He just got smacked by a reality totally opposite to his initial goal. It hurts to see him like this😢 My poor baby Viktor😭😭
Viktor and Jayce's ark is one of the best and so heartbreaking. Sadly the other timeline both of them died :( There must be one timeline where they are happy together!
Viktor's speech about Perfection reminds me of Mayuri's speech on the same subject from Bleach. In summary, he says that Perfection is The End of all things. Creativity. Imagination. Pursuit. Drive. And leads to only despair and emptiness. "The perfect being, huh? There is no such thing as perfect in this world. That may sound cliché, but it’s the truth. The average person admires perfection and seeks to obtain it. But, what’s the point of achieving perfection? There is none. Nothing. Not a single thing. I loathe perfection! If something is perfect, then there is nothing left. There is no room for imagination. No place left for a person to gain additional knowledge or abilities. Do you know what that means? For scientists such as ourselves, perfection only brings despair. It is our job to create things more wonderful than anything before them, but never to obtain perfection. A scientist must be a person who finds ecstasy while suffering from that antimony. In short, the moment that foolishness left your mouth and reached my ears, you had already lost. Of course, that’s assuming you are a scientist”
@@hope4thebetter you've clearly never had a friendship that was deep and didn't end with the person trying to touch u. I've known my best friend all my life and he is the only man i can i say that i truly love, he's held me in my weakest and lowest and made me feel like i wouldn't ever be alone as long as i had him and I've always made sure that he could feel the same from me, all that being said i would NEVER date that man and i know he'd say the same, even still if all that we've been through and how close we are doesn't make us soul mates idk what to tell you. not everything needs to be sexual or romanticized specially when its clearly just a deep love between two friends.
that's what I'm saying! every name keeps being brought up but the one character that seems to be forgotten and underrated is heimerdinger. its amazing how people really seem to easily forget him. he lowkey the true guardian; warning them about hextech multiple times and sacrificing himself with no hesitation.
this is one of those scenes I can't stop watching. I love the colour contrast of Jayce's start and end of his journey in this time period. Also, after watching several times, I find it funny how Viktor saw the horrors of the aftermath but probably didn't have any time or empathy to react, and he suddenly sees his future self.
Yeah, pretty much. Sage Viktor basically admitted that he traveled every time, just for this moment, so he can inspire Jayce, because he believed in one of those timelines he can bring back his humanity.
I came across a theory where some fans noticed that the mage who helped Jayce had a tattoo on his hand. However, when it was revealed that Viktor was the one who saved Jayce and provided the rune, Viktor’s hand didn’t have a tattoo. This raises the possibility that the original mage wasn’t Viktor and that Viktor may have assumed the role based on Jayce’s narrative in subsequent timelines. or you know, maybe the production team just forgot. It happens.
I believe it was an after-the-fact decision to tie everything together. It wasn't planned at the beginning, but that's the direction they decided to go with Season 2.
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I read somewhere that Arcane was supposed to have 3 seasons but they cut it to 2. The mage at the beggining was supposed to be Ryze.We can blame Netflix for that change.
It's better to think that Jayce didn't remember all the details and created others because he was a child, you can see also in the series progression that the memory of that moment when Jayce is saved changes and it gets more detailed
So we barly see viktor mages hand in this flash back. Even in the s1 scene as he drops the gem from this angle you can barly make out the tattoo. IT wasn't really a necessary add here since the scene is so fast anyway.
Our dark angel is cuter... Her motivation may have been trivial, but I think that her story makes more sense. In the case of Arcane, we are stuck with a time paradoxon and many unanswered questions.
This is deeper than sexual attraction. Both elements of love and connection. True definition of soulmate. I feel bad cause the series started with them and now ends with them. Its like they were the problem the whole time and they are the solution by just disappearing (I don't think they are death though). It reminds me of a German popular series. I'm not going to say the name of the series cause it'll spoil it for those who didn't watch it.
Perfection is a flat line. Since nothing is perfect, perfection can only be found in nothingness. When the last living creature dies and the last star goes out, perfection will return and the cycle will repeat.
@@Axelrun1994 what a good way to explain it. when perfection is achieved, there is nothing left TO solve. Its empty. I love this quote and its the only one that stuck with me along with viktors character
After watching this scene I feel that its the point of the show. We see these characters go though highs and lows. Come close to doing what is right and fail, coming close to doing what is wrong and succeed. Some would see this unending process as chaos but its not. It's the one thing in life that allows us to pursue our greatest power...change.
well for all those who're saying there's a plot hole here cause after jayce meets future viktor he tries to kill him, obv what viktor wanted jayce to do is to end one way or another and possibly accepting his death, he knew he was wrong for what he did, and jayce as well got traumatized from living in that world seeing how people died and became mindless monsters, when he returned and talked with viktor he said "we need to end this" showing that he didn't want to kill him but when he visited viktor's community and saw how everyone had already turned into those monsters he got clouded by emotions and killed him, and he was still willing to do it after how he saw how viktor transformed, and only after viktor took position of his mind he was willing to talk again since he had nothing else to do and when he saw a part of viktor's face appear he thought he was still there somewhere
I do think there is something more too. Jayce was not treat well in his journey to the future, and the return clearly wasn't much better, his mind was reconciliation all the info he got plus the "jetlag" of his return. I do think he wanted to end it quickly, his first attempt was him trying a quick solution, maybe misguided still by trauma... but after it... he understood that things would go the hard way, and he had some time to reconciliate it in his mind. People need to understand something... a good story don't always has to show or explain every thought of its characters... just make sure that things make sense. Jayce was thinking many things, his own failures and desires, in a way... he was being himself, trying what he could, but just a much as he is a force that drives the world, there are others too that drive it. At this juncture in time, Viktor was practically fated to go on in his misguided way, so... Jayce simply tried what he could.
@powderpocalypse This is the correct answer. It doesn't matter what we call them, they love each other, unconditionally, in every world. It's that simple.
Comments like this are so funny because there are so many male friendships in media and like nobody is calling Benzo and Vander in love or Heimer and Jayce in love like 😭 I'll think of Jayvik kissing harder knowing it has that much of an effect on people
Viktor (Arcane) Giving the Rune to the boy Jayce --- > Jayce Creates Hextech ---> Hextech Makes Viktor the Arcane --> Viktor (Arcane) Consumes Everyone --> Viktor (Arcane) regrets --> Viktor Gives the Rune to the boy Jayce (In each timeline a different rune trying to fix the mistake) --> Jayce Creates Hextech..... Insane, this must be going on forever, where the only probability of victory was the one we saw at the end of the series... and the other would be not creating Hextech, but as we saw, Jinx still has the runes, even in the reality where Hextech was not created. From what I understand, Viktor Arcano can see the timelines, this is the only way to test runes and runes, until one works... that is, he goes back to the past to give a rune to the child Jayce and stays in the future waiting for the adult Jayce to activate the rune, making him return to the present to try to stop the Loop, if it doesn't work Viktor consumes everyone and it happens again...
@@chupon29Exactly, I believe that's why you call it an anomaly, because if that's exactly it, Viktor (Arcane) did everything wrong, he didn't need to fix anything in the past because the future has already happened, to avoid all this, it was better for him not to have tried to help, no rune, no hextech, no anomaly without Arcane Viktor... No problem!! As I said, he is the cause and a paradox... He grew up trying not to be like that.. lul
@@chupon29 I think maybe that's why they both disappeared at the end of the series... there wasn't supposed to be an adult Jayce Hextech driver (I mean by the rune on his wrist) and not a Arcane Viktor... since this jayce only exists for everything that happened, and Viktor only exists like this because of a paradox... none were supposed to exist... without Viktor to give the Rune to a Jayce, there would not be a Jayce with a Rune, but since there is a Jayce with a Rune, then there is an Arcane Viktor .... lul 2x hahaha, in the end everything cancels out, Viktor dies because the loop is over, and this Jayce dies because he never received a rune... He doesn't exist..
You think that since there's clearly time travel at play here, arcane victor knew a moment would come like this and he's not only talking to Jayce but himself as well?
Not only do I think that is absolutely the case here, I think he was also referring to the Viktor in the main timeline when he said “only you can show me this” as in only Jayce being given the acceleration rune (which ultimately led to the creation of the zero drive) could cause Viktor to see this messed up future
@@lumberluc it's kinda annoying how people keep implying that others see romance between Jayce and Vik only because these two are close and willing to die for each other and so on. Geez, it's not just about that. It's about the little details: the way they look at each other sometimes, touch each other, some things they say, etc. Could all these things be interpreted as platonic? Sure! But people come from different cultures, have different lives, have seen and experienced different things... For some people holding hands, touching the other's neck, pointing out "affection" of all things, saying "you're perfect the way you are and I've always admired you", the shot with Viktor being all pretty and looming right over Jayce's face can really look like things that imply romantic feelings between the two. What's so wrong about it? And I hate saying this, but I really do think that if one of these two men was a woman waaaaay more people would be willing to see their love as a romantic one. But when it's two men being soft and gentle with one another they still must 100% be bros. In the end of the day it is really up to each person's interpretation and both versions are valid, can you guys stop acting like you know what's up for a fact as if you're the ones who wrote these characters?
"One of the deepest, philosophical moments is unfolding, basically a god that someone becomes giving him the knowledge that the path he's on is antithetical to what he wants and his close friend is the only one who can get close enough to deliver the message" Everyone else: "ArE tHeY gAy?!??"
@toxicmegacolon69 Behold, a TH-cam commenter telling us what is true and what is not about a subjective relationship in an animated tv series which features a full lesbian sex scene. Tell us more
When Viktor says in all timelines in all possibilities only you can show me this. Does he means jayce in every timeline or jayce from just this one timeline out of infinite possibilities. Cause that would just be too tragic.
@@monchorhc6032 yes I get that but is it this jayce or every jayce. Except the one in the doomed timeline ofcource. Maybe the doomed Viktor goes in other timelines and saves young jayce in order for them to not end up destroyed.
Viktor: Now listen I need you to go back in time and tell my past self to stop evolving everyone. You have this vision of the future and he has psychic powers, shouldn’t be too difficult. Jayce: Well I tried and it didn’t work (I didn’t mention the bad future) so I guess I’ll have to kill you. Viktor: You’re lucky you’re pretty.
He should've went back and tried to Show Jesus Viktor what he saw. Maybe if his brain didn't get scrambled during the time warp we'd have gotten a different ending
@@cryoblaster8371What part of "in every possibility" that Viktor said you guys didn't understand? Future Viktor already tried every timeline (the one that about to get fcked) and this is the only one that works, meaning there's a timeline where Jayce talked to Viktor but it still doesn't work.
@@CurseOxuin pretty sure that was referring to each time Viktor went back in time and gave Jayce the crystal, each one has a different rune, meaning Jayce starts hextech from a completely different angle each time.
@@tonydanatop4912 I mean this is Jayce, he’s ALWAYS gone for the most drastic option whenever he feels backed into a corner. He tries to talk Viktor out of Hextech beneath the gates, fails, and immediately assumes it’s too late and he has to blow up the Hexcore even if it means taking Viktor with it.
It's the sence yace with his harme on the hexgate and viktor touch him, ekko become the outer number that viktor can't caculated, who deciđe to leave the heaven to fix his world
The thing is that anyone can have their own reading into the text: could be brotherly, could be platonic, could be anything. But there's only one side that gets actively angry at different interpretations, blames their own insecurities onto others, and even dismisses women saying they'll never understand this. Men, please go to therapy, you're only hurting yourselves. Ask yourselves: why is it you think that a gay reading of this offends you specifically so much? Why is it so bad in your eyes? Why is it you can't accept different interpretations other than the ones you were taught?
For me, as someone who isn't really bothered by the ideas that they cpuld be gay or love eachother in that way. I thinks it rather ignorant to look at 2 guys who love eachother and just assume they have to be gay. Just as the same it'd be for 2 girls who love eachother and assume they're lesbians. The same to think one guy and one girl who love eachother to be straight. People can love eachother in ways that aren't inherently in a sexual or lover type of relationship, it can also just be they see eachother as siblings. I personally just think Viktor and Jayce think of eachother as brothers, thats how it has been from the start, and that's how it ends for them. They changed eachothers lives and helped to make eachother better people through the ups and downs. I respect the other interpretations of this relationship tho. There are definitely people who immediately assume anything that depicts men and or women as homosexual in any way just have an ignorant fit about it. Thanks for reading! Have a great day :)
because theyre both established to be straight in the show lmfao. its not that its offensive, its just an incorrect reading of the situation due to literal facts.
I loved the relationship between jayce and Viktor. I never felt it was a gay relationship in the closet , just two intelligent and talented men with a dream to make their world a better place . Throughout the show both of them showed how sincere they were about each other snd yes it is love but a platonic sort of love. Their was also a lot of mutual respect. They were each others person and in their quest for glory and goodness ended up building something beyond their control. I loved that the 2 nd act had a underlying theme of forgiveness. Ending of season 1 made jinx unforgivable in my eyes yet she made up with vi and managed to redeem herself , caitylyn was able to forgive jinx to an extent despite she killing her mother , jayce was able to forgive victor depsite all the things he did , powder reminded ekko about friendship and kindness and he was able to concile with jinx and convince her to fight . Despite commiting to something unpardonable and going beyond the point of return they were able to forgive their loved ones.
This scene ❤ This hug ❤❤❤ My god I love it so much! 2 soul mates linked by destiny and life. I love their relationship sooooo much! Their death. Gosh, the season 2 was worth only for their last scenes. Loved it so much.
"There is no prize to perfection - only an end to pursuit" goes crazy.
As a perfectionist, that quote deteriorated me.
Reminds me of Mayuri from Bleach's quote about how he hates perfection, as it is the end of imagination, and how a real scientist should strive for perfection but never achieve it
There is a very daoist message in Arcane. Beautiful.
@@viki1115you'd probably die before you ever get anywhere close to perfection.
@@dzaesonp8599viktor kind of proved that point too.
Jayce is like "I can fix him"
And then he does
Nah Jayce went “I don’t need to fix him, I can accept him as he goddamn is”
Viktor went from on of the weakest citizen in piltiver to the most powerful being on the planet. Jayce went from the ruler of the kingdom to a powerless cripple fighting his way out of the undercity.
They both lost their humanity by becoming a machine and by becoming a savage, yet it was affection that brought them back.
Don't insult my boy Jayce like that
He's a survivor, and a fierce one, not a "savage"
@yamatanoorochi3149 my guy ate bugs in a cave for months, went insane scratching cave drawings, and killed salo and Viktor after being back for one day
Agreed tho - he's definitely a survivor, and definitely my favorite character in the show
“In the world” is an overstatement
Not even close to in the world lol just in piltover and zaun
@@_vivaan1909besides those old as the universe gods, who’s killing an acasual time manipulating demigod?
The rune Victor gives Jayce in 0:53 is the acceleration rune, the one Ekko used to create the Time Loop. So it was by giving this exact rune that allows Ekko to come back to his reality and save Jayce.
Yeah, so basically Viktor save himself just by finally founding right rune, but everyone calling Ekko the goat
@@MaksD4CLTstill sacrifice
@maksim557 Despite that, I still think Ekko is the goat. Victor was trying to fix his mistake, but Ekko chose to abandon a reality where he could have everything he ever dreamed. But still chose to go back, and was the one who saved Jayce and showed Victor what he needed to see
RIP to the original old man victor, hes the only victor out of all the timelines, that is locked in the original "dreamess solitude" of an empty world with no humans "alive"
He was giving the runestones to all of the other timelines, trying to help Jayce stop different Victors from reaching "Glorious Evolution".
since he succeeded, can’t he just turn back time or ditch his reality or something considering he probably has abilities akin to a god as original old man viktor no?
"yo dawg I heard you needed to stop the apocalypse, so let me create a time loop where you keep creating the apocalypse so we can stop the apocalypse"
It’s the little inner dialogue in the head.
Flawless plan, really
@@KalhyphenC Viktor should have taken a page out of Jayce's book and merced the kid
I'm pretty sure the implication is that the glorious evolution happens one way or another with or without Jayce and this is the only way Viktor found to prevent it
@@f0xyLuv No, in order for Hextech to be invented certain variables have to be met, with the instigating variables being Ekko's tip. Otherwise, these "destined soul mates" do not meet and do not invent Hextech.
0:39 i just realized when he said that line "only end to pursuit" his tone changed and he looked up as he was warning his past self. The details in this series is crazy!
One neat detail I noticed is something part of Future Viktor's nigh-omniscience. At heart he's a scientist, his purpose is to find the answer to a question. Yet he evolved to a point where he could solve every single problem and attain perfection. But in doing so he has stripped the one thing that drives every scientist, that ability to question which leads to the pursuit for an answer. And in a perfect world, there is nothing to question.
And as such, Future Viktor *_NEVER_* asks any questions. Every line is just a statement.
There's a speech about perfection in a manga called Bleach, it's from a character that is supposedly a scientist, and it's about this you just said
Edit: I found it so here it is if you are curious.
The 'perfect being' you said... well... I have to tell you the honest truth as I see it. In this world nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliché after all, but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue to concept of perfection, it's infatuation... But ultimately I have to ask myself what is the true meaning of being perfect and the answer I came up with was: nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection. If something is truly perfect, that's it. The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination, no space for intelligence or ability or improvement. Do you understand to men of science like us perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you, but not perfect. Science has agonized over the attempt to achieve perfection. That's the kind of creatures we are. We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end we have to admit may in fact be unreachable. In other words, you may think the we operate on the same level, but you're wrong. The moment you started talking about perfection you embraced an impossible concept and you already lost to me. That is of course if you are indeed a scientist at all.
Yes, things become perfect. Then there is nothing to evolve. Viktor has nothing to question anymore because there is nothing beyond. Life becomes boring. And more importantly, there is no one to share your findings with and no audience to praise you willingly. The question I have is why he couldn't reverse anything? Undoing his work.
@@vegpedro7632 Wow that really is quite a good speech
@@sha3599 the way I see it he can't too much time had passed before he realized the truth and even then when he realized the truth and wanted to undo it he couldn't, so he went back to the one person who could stop him the one who would make him open his eyes to the truth of perfection. The one person who could make him stop before it's too late he realized thou all the times he went back only jayce could stop him , then he tried countless times, countless ways to help set jayce up to stop him down the road, it never really says how many times he reset time how many times he went back or what else he tried to change to stop the future he created. Just that he tried also maybe hextech was his life's work where he found a friend so he thought he had to let it exist but just make sure it was used right because if he made sure it didn't exist, what happens when someone else creates it and decides to continue the cycle in a more dark way.
@@vegpedro7632 is that speech by Mayuri?
Bro became god then realized being god isn’t rlly that fun lmao
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
lol that's exactly what happened. he's just lonely...
“They made you who you are. An inseparable piece of everything I admired about you.”
“In all timelines, in all possibilities, only you can show me this.” 😭ARCANE, you fvckin masterpiece changing lives, thank you
1. Tone deaf statement. Viktor is ill because of Piltover. If I was Viktor I'd punch Jayce for saying that.
2. If Viktor wanted to end the GE, he could've let Jayce die. bootstrap paradox. He's creating his own world destruction because he's bored and lonely.
@@blacktigerpaw1 the first point is something that stuck with me as well. Victor wasn't originally trying to cure his disability necessarily but to find a way to save his life, which is why i think he went through the transformation process in the first place..
Viktor casually confirms they’re soulmates and Jayce goes "that’s it, gonna go kill/save my partner" 😭
Yeah that's after he petrified his original Jayce and basically kept him as a prisoner for eternity. Jayce could've avoided the transformation of Viktor by talking to him in the commune.
"Im not gay. My boyfriend is gay"
@@TheUseLessDad They ain't gay they're just European
“There is no prize to perfection, only and end to pursuit” Every single artist in the entire world needs to hear that statement
Its an awesome quote
Woke me up when I heard it for the first time. Me and my inner perfectionist need to settle our inner rivalry.
Why?
@@christopherm.1258 I think so many artists (myself included) that their big break is the goal, when really perfection lies in the making of art itself, not the final product
@Metalcherrytree Depending on the art. If it is painting or music, I agree, but when you talk about story writing I think breaks are a good thing sometimes. You fall into plotholes and characters acting out of character. Thinking about, how it makes sense is with writing realy important. But it also depends on what kind of story you want to tell. A simple story like star wars doesn't need as much of a thought process than a realy complex story like Arcane. (Don't want to say "star wars is just for kids" or anything like it.)
The animation of Viktor’s facial expression when he loses his Herald mindset is so subtle but so so so beautiful . He’s experiencing so many emotions at once, the antithesis of his goal: the shock at his future self the confusion of seeing a supposedly perfect world being so imperfect the sadness when he realizes he is actually destroying everything he worked for and turning his back on his beliefs of aiding those who needed it. It overwhelms him and he cant stop it and then… he finally breaks free
I love the silence after Jayce's question, "Why did you ever give me this?" This is probably the first time Viktor has been able to talk to Jayce in years. And it really feels like Viktor is carefully choosing his words to explain to Jayce how much he means to him. Truly a Friendship for the ages.
"There is no prize for perfection, only an end to pursuit"
I'm more convinced the writers of this show aren't human xD
Why? Xd
coz we humans are perfectly imperfect
Philosophy professors wrote the script believe me
@@Bluewolfzer funny enough, this further convinces me that they ARE human.
You really think one poetic sentence makes up for the utter train wreck that the second season's pacing and writing are?
This is the prime example of what Mayuri Kurotsuchi ranted on about with Zyleapparo. Perfection is a means to an end in science. Its why he hates the very idea of something being perfect so much.
If everything is perfect theres no room for improvement if theres no room for improvement there can be no way forward. You literally stand in one point for the rest of eternity.
Same with viktor. If you find every answer then theres no more questions. If theres no more questions, theres no more curiosity.
Perfection is an ideal with the realization that its a nightmare.
yeah, mayuri did have a point with what he said
i think his bankai being an everchanging thing he willingly breaks to imrpove it does fit him very well too in that regard
@gadrielvanorion9872 some even theorize that's why Cell lost to Gohan all those years ago. His strength was already capped. It was just insanely high. His perfect form had a limit to it that he physically couldn't surpass bc that's how he was designed.
There is something so beautiful about how in every universe, only Jayce could save him.
Old viktor was so evolved he even look at young viktor when speeking to jayce knowing he would see him
yess he glanced *up* when he said "only an end to pursuit"
Honeslty this reminds me a lot of the left right game story
This and “in the pursuit of great, we failed to do good,” Viktor has the best lines in Arcane
brilliant.
Viktor, Silco and Singed carrying the show with their voices and coldness 🗣🔥
Fellas, is it gay to transcend reality with your best friend while staring lovingly into his eyes and holding him tightly
@airrider-jk9ik we're finally asking the real questions 🙏
its not if its with the homies
@ronin_bloodstaring into the void of cosmic infinity, suspended in the true realty of the entire universe, wrapped in the arms of the only other being who can possibly comprehend what he can, Jayce whispered in Viktor’s ear “no homo”.
Not if they wear socks ;)
@@811chelseafcIM SCREAMING
The music in this scene was so good
what is the name of it please?
@@sonradanfransiz "I promised you"
I promised you... omg
A fantastic detail is where Viktor’s eyes are looking when he speaks. He’s not looking at Jayce, but his past self.
. . . Ok I'm halting my current watchlist and back log to rewatch this series because damn I didn't notice that !!
Crazy that Jayce is standing in front of his future variant self as a robot in the beginning
Unrelated, but didn't think I would see another clorox in the wild after so long lol
The timeline where they succeeded due to the machine created by Ekko based on the acceleration rune given to Jayce.
"In all timelines, in all possibilities.. Only you, can show me this"
It was great that they added this to show us that despite everything...
Viktor was still a good man.
Crazy how arcane went from a show about civil war between two cities to multiverse and timeline travels
That was one of my gripes of s2, everything happened all at once wayy too fast.
Never said I hated it tho, I freaking loved it
Gurren Lagann: "One day you're digging a hole underground for steaks and the next you're fighting God in a pocket dimension of a theoretical hyperverse."
@@nobuffer101 SUPER GIIIIIGGAAAA DRILLL BREAAAK
Yeah, all this multiverse stuff should've been saved for a third season
Would prefer it to go much slower, without time travel ect. Too much happening every episode. I liked the start where they were figthting chem tech barons
The rune of this timeline, the one where Jayce (also) breaks the cycle, is the acceleration rune that Ekko played around with to make the Z-Drive work
Viktor's VA did an amazing job with all these amazing quotes
i agree, it was kinda hypnotizing
Gay or not, that is the most romantic thing I've heard in my life.
You are gay
@@actionturtle6974 is that supposed to be a bad thing?
@@nayussysuccer it depends if u got brainwashed by the media and elite to be gay or u were born like that . Int he first case i would say yes because ur being part of the downfall of the western worlds actively just cause of a trend , for the second case no
Nah this isn’t gay this is ultimate brotherhood
@boazlinn2581 Historians will regard them as really good friends, thanks to Mel and Sky.
Viktor saved himself through Jayce. No one could stop him but himself.
"There's no prize to perfection, only an end to pursuit" feels like a cooler version of it's not the end but the journey that matters.
The latter one is a positive quote. Whereas the one Viktor says comes with sadness
having purpose
You can really see the meltdown in Viktor brain when he sees his future self telling him to stop
I love how both viktors, make eye contact.
And so the inevitable conclusion is that a lot of the peoples suffering is their own choices, born of their own autonomy, and often being unable to predict the consequences of their actions. Viktor used the Glorious Evolution to end suffering... but also happiness, by taking away free will.
I don't think happiness and free will are linked concepts. It is more that being constrained (freedom being taken away) leads to feeling unhappy/frustrated. yay or nay?
Suffering and happiness are two sides of the same coin.
@@Snummie agree with you.
Yeah, I don't but the conclusion of the show that happiness and free will are linked. I think what actually dooms the world is Heimerdinger's conclusion that the arcane has its own negative side effect similar to but more malicious than the social and mental side effects having such power does to people and society and the Arcane side effect to Viktor's program was turning everyone into unfeeling automata.
@@Snummie I disagree, while lacking free will would certainly make one feel constrained I do not think it would rob people of all happiness. Like just look at history, in the past everyone was constrained by official social rules, did that mean everyone was always depressed?.
Every line in this scene is godly quote-worthy
"there is no prize to perfection, only the end to persuit" Is quite literally the description of how Dopamine works. What makes us feel in balance and slightly happy is the persuit wich is what increases Dopamine compared to the starting point, once we achieve the persuit the level crash down to where they began and we experience a temporary sadness/depression before the process repeats again. the higher the Dopamine peaks the happier and the most depressed you will feel in equal proportion
Good take but I don’t know if it’s to draw it as absolute truth. You can can get a spike and don’t feel the depressed for the next days. It varies
After perfection is reached, alot of things become meaningless.. I love this series
Viktor actually looks like jesus in the future 😂
I like that after Viktor's trip into Jayce's memories, the guy just abandons the god form
Really? You liked that Steven Universe plot twist?
Every time a see Viktor he just looks more and more like Jesus
True 😂
Jesus Christ, it's Jesus Christ!
Their love was so pure. It makes me tear up.
*Broooomance*
they dropped so many gems in this series.
Damn, nice one xD
I just realized, jayce didn't have to kill viktor in ep 7. All he had to do was touch him and viktor woulda understood. I guess the lesson here was that problems could have been avoided if people just talked it out before resorting to killing.
i think that's the the theme of season 2.
Yeah Probably? But how are you going to talk to someone you just saw who is going to be the reason the world ends, and worst of all, you weren't sent to the past to stop it, but to the present, where this person is halfway to completing what you saw, and not to mention that you spent months in a cave alone, suffering pain from your infected broken leg, eating infected fish, Suffering constant headaches because you're somewhere you shouldn't be, completely paranoid that things out there could attack you at any moment and you can't do anything, Not to mention the constant voices in your head repeating all your mistakes over and over and over again...kinda hard to talk when you're stressed the fuck out and almost blacking out from it and can only see flashes of the Horrors you saw
Jayce literally saw the city in ruin, everyone dead or made a robot, and on top of it, his robot body holding the hammer, but at the end he is in the same situation as his future self and he finally accepts viktor's touch
@Kirionlol idk man, probably talking to someone first like people who care about you. It's not like jayce was fighting all of it on his own in the first place. It's not like he's out of people who wouldn't back him up and he still had some influence in the council being the man of progress himself. But i guess this is just one of the many iterations in which jayce and viktor save each other. He had some time to calm himself down and collect his thoughts before going back too. Even if what you say is true, he still ended up having to rally people up to arms but with a much worse chances of surviving. Bottomline is, we could have gotten an alive jayce, viktor, isha and possibly vander given what he knew. And he knew from experience that rushing into things don't end well when he unintentionally killed a kid during their chem bank raid.
@@Kirionlol true. if jayce just showed up singing kumbaya, it wouldn't have had the same impact. him making a wrong decision followed up by the right one is what make the journey relatable. it is never too late.
The best scene in the whole show. Amazing writing my god.
Real like I was witnessing god himself lmfao
You know what is crazy? Even through countless timelines Viktor still didn't acount for Ekko. Sure the right rune enabled Viktor and Jayce to stop the hextech corruption but if Ekko didn't return and made that last clutch, if Heimerdinger didn't sacrifice himself, it would be all the same. Ekko and Heimer are the true MVPs of Arcane
Heimer is alive, Yordles according the lore can’t die, they revive in bundle city
@riarirember Yeah I know, doesn't make his sacrifice any less impactful. Do mind though that there is a possibility of him being transported into different timeline or even erased out of existence
I think he does account for ekko and heim, but only a specific rune is what make this possible, look at ekko z drive, it use the same rune as this one. In different time line with different rune z drive probably have different functions. While ekko and heim is important but without this rune there's will be no z drive.
@@il3967 Yeah I agree about importance of this rune but Viktor did not create them. He basically did the same as Ekko and Heimer - experimented with each one to see what will it result in. They both basically invented time travel but on different scale. The important difference here is that Jayce was probably transported into the future while Ekko and Heimerdinger end up in completely different timeline. That's why I think that Viktor probably did not forsee invention of Z-drive
@@riarirember I don't know anything about LoL but are they just immortal gremlins then?? How do they repopulate if they're immortal? Is there's some kind of end to the lifespan or what.
I think it's totally fine to value their friendship while also acknowledging that the relationship can be interpreted as romantic if they so choose.
if you wanna ship characters you can, but ill still think its weird
@@JaminationsMC womp womp
@@JaminationsMCname of BL?
Viktor nation, how we feeling, Jayce... Jaybe or Jaybe not
I was so SURPRISED that this mysterious magician is VICTOR! My jaw dropped when I saw it and screamed NO WAAY ITS HIM ALL THE TIME!!
And okay it is! I am even more surprised that during all this time Victor often threw different runes into DIFFERENT TIME PARALLELS. That's how many times it happened that Jace or one of the characters lost to Victor and Runterra met his own end many times! And only with a suitable rune and unexpected luck did Ekko manage to fix everything!
This show is just a DIAMOND
Ekko is the catalyst. Without him, Jayce and Viktor don't meet.
Of course, Viktor creating a time loop to prevent an apocalypse he keeps creating is something.
something I just noticed, Viktor's faceplate had it's own mouth. I was under the impression that that was his face, but in fact he had a mask on top of a mask, there's irony in there somewhere.
Its his face split apart and purified into his machine body
"do you think we're friends in every universe?"
Oh my GOD!
Mind you, Viktor always watch and witness what happened tO Jayce eversince he pulled him into his timeline. So he just watches him broke his leg, eat bugs, crying, escapes the pit and limping through his journey with a cane just like Viktor.
I could imagine in his breath Viktor saying "YES! THAT'S HOW IT FEELS!!!"
I would like to see Jayce eating bugs regardless of anything
I still can’t believe there are people on Reddit and X who say the animation is terrible. If the blind had their eyes they see the beauty they have utterly missed
Bad takes found on reddit/twitter is as common as grass found on ground
Idiots are going to be loud; trick is to tune them out!
Show them blue lock 2nd season 😂😂😂😂
This season literally has some of the most beautiful art I’ve ever seen
For the yhe record it isn't time travel its multiverse travel that Viktor is from the destroyed timeline and now he disguises as a mage and makes sure other worlds doesn't end up like his
I really love in 1:07
How Viktor is facing the true. Whats happening, what he will do with the arcane, he will lose everything, his bro, his achievements. He just got smacked by a reality totally opposite to his initial goal.
It hurts to see him like this😢
My poor baby Viktor😭😭
Really powerful moment. I love how their fates intertwined like a Mobius ring
He really was arcane Jesus.
Absolutely amazing scene. Had to replay this at least 10 times. The animation, dialogue, music, just
Pure. Fucking. Art.
Same watched it about 5 times over
Viktor and Jayce's ark is one of the best and so heartbreaking. Sadly the other timeline both of them died :( There must be one timeline where they are happy together!
meh, it's like 1 episode, they could have made it longer
@@sleevman yes
Viktor's speech about Perfection reminds me of Mayuri's speech on the same subject from Bleach.
In summary, he says that Perfection is The End of all things. Creativity. Imagination. Pursuit. Drive. And leads to only despair and emptiness.
"The perfect being, huh? There is no such thing as perfect in this world. That may sound cliché, but it’s the truth. The average person admires perfection and seeks to obtain it. But, what’s the point of achieving perfection? There is none. Nothing. Not a single thing. I loathe perfection! If something is perfect, then there is nothing left. There is no room for imagination. No place left for a person to gain additional knowledge or abilities. Do you know what that means? For scientists such as ourselves, perfection only brings despair. It is our job to create things more wonderful than anything before them, but never to obtain perfection. A scientist must be a person who finds ecstasy while suffering from that antimony. In short, the moment that foolishness left your mouth and reached my ears, you had already lost. Of course, that’s assuming you are a scientist”
Viktor and Jayce may not be lovers but they definitely are soulmates.
It's called brotherhood.
A Bromance
only a brainless woman would write this comment, smh
@@hope4thebetter you've clearly never had a friendship that was deep and didn't end with the person trying to touch u. I've known my best friend all my life and he is the only man i can i say that i truly love, he's held me in my weakest and lowest and made me feel like i wouldn't ever be alone as long as i had him and I've always made sure that he could feel the same from me, all that being said i would NEVER date that man and i know he'd say the same, even still if all that we've been through and how close we are doesn't make us soul mates idk what to tell you. not everything needs to be sexual or romanticized specially when its clearly just a deep love between two friends.
@@hope4thebetter Clearly you've never had a truly meaningful relationship with another person.
People saying Ekko, Jayce, Jinx, Future Viktor or whatever saved everyone...
But people forgot...
The brambleback has left the jungle...
people who are trying to sequence the show into "did good" "did bad" and so on, have watched the show with one eye closed.
that's what I'm saying! every name keeps being brought up but the one character that seems to be forgotten and underrated is heimerdinger. its amazing how people really seem to easily forget him. he lowkey the true guardian; warning them about hextech multiple times and sacrificing himself with no hesitation.
bro got too overpowered 😭
this is one of those scenes I can't stop watching. I love the colour contrast of Jayce's start and end of his journey in this time period.
Also, after watching several times, I find it funny how Viktor saw the horrors of the aftermath but probably didn't have any time or empathy to react, and he suddenly sees his future self.
"the thing about perfection is its unknowable. impossible but it is right infront of use the whole time." 0:17
Line said by Kevin Flynn, in TRON: Legacy (a movie), for anyone wondering.
“You wouldn’t know that because I didn’t when I created you”
This scene is so beautiful! Sounds like Interstellar to me.
now that you say that...right. maybe they did it on purpose, like it was an inspiration sor something
0:45 Best moment
Viktor won and got bored of it. So he told honest mate to talk him out of it. Perfect! 😄
completely understandable
So there’s just various timelines of vik saving little jayce so they can meet?
That's called grooming. :v
Yeah, no, thats not it lmao @@9f81rsd00
Yeah, pretty much.
Sage Viktor basically admitted that he traveled every time, just for this moment, so he can inspire Jayce, because he believed in one of those timelines he can bring back his humanity.
I came across a theory where some fans noticed that the mage who helped Jayce had a tattoo on his hand. However, when it was revealed that Viktor was the one who saved Jayce and provided the rune, Viktor’s hand didn’t have a tattoo. This raises the possibility that the original mage wasn’t Viktor and that Viktor may have assumed the role based on Jayce’s narrative in subsequent timelines. or you know, maybe the production team just forgot. It happens.
I believe it was an after-the-fact decision to tie everything together. It wasn't planned at the beginning, but that's the direction they decided to go with Season 2.
I read somewhere that Arcane was supposed to have 3 seasons but they cut it to 2. The mage at the beggining was supposed to be Ryze.We can blame Netflix for that change.
It's better to think that Jayce didn't remember all the details and created others because he was a child, you can see also in the series progression that the memory of that moment when Jayce is saved changes and it gets more detailed
It’s a different Viktor.
So we barly see viktor mages hand in this flash back. Even in the s1 scene as he drops the gem from this angle you can barly make out the tattoo. IT wasn't really a necessary add here since the scene is so fast anyway.
So it's Homura & Madoka all over again
Our dark angel is cuter...
Her motivation may have been trivial, but I think that her story makes more sense.
In the case of Arcane, we are stuck with a time paradoxon and many unanswered questions.
they even got the gay part right…
I can't believe you're the only person who's mentioned it so far 😭
FRR
The pause after only you had me screaming 😭😭😭😭😭
This is deeper than sexual attraction. Both elements of love and connection. True definition of soulmate. I feel bad cause the series started with them and now ends with them. Its like they were the problem the whole time and they are the solution by just disappearing (I don't think they are death though). It reminds me of a German popular series. I'm not going to say the name of the series cause it'll spoil it for those who didn't watch it.
Gay
@@typicalsunrise3225 there are two types of jayvik shippers
you are a really kind person. please never change
Is it that Netflix one? Yea that show went crazy with time.
@@sha3599 they are not sexually attracted to each other ya gay stop sexualizing everything
Best line 😭 in all timelines. In all posibilities. Only you...could show me this
when everything in perfect....nothing is.
Perfection is a flat line. Since nothing is perfect, perfection can only be found in nothingness. When the last living creature dies and the last star goes out, perfection will return and the cycle will repeat.
@@Axelrun1994 what a good way to explain it. when perfection is achieved, there is nothing left TO solve. Its empty. I love this quote and its the only one that stuck with me along with viktors character
After watching this scene I feel that its the point of the show. We see these characters go though highs and lows. Come close to doing what is right and fail, coming close to doing what is wrong and succeed. Some would see this unending process as chaos but its not. It's the one thing in life that allows us to pursue our greatest power...change.
Actually, when everything is perfect, everything is just perfect, simple as.
Viktor: I am League of Legends Jesus
Just guys being dudes
well for all those who're saying there's a plot hole here cause after jayce meets future viktor he tries to kill him, obv what viktor wanted jayce to do is to end one way or another and possibly accepting his death, he knew he was wrong for what he did, and jayce as well got traumatized from living in that world seeing how people died and became mindless monsters, when he returned and talked with viktor he said "we need to end this" showing that he didn't want to kill him but when he visited viktor's community and saw how everyone had already turned into those monsters he got clouded by emotions and killed him, and he was still willing to do it after how he saw how viktor transformed, and only after viktor took position of his mind he was willing to talk again since he had nothing else to do and when he saw a part of viktor's face appear he thought he was still there somewhere
in other words, everybody thank Ekko for creating this opportunity for bromance
I do think there is something more too.
Jayce was not treat well in his journey to the future, and the return clearly wasn't much better, his mind was reconciliation all the info he got plus the "jetlag" of his return.
I do think he wanted to end it quickly, his first attempt was him trying a quick solution, maybe misguided still by trauma... but after it... he understood that things would go the hard way, and he had some time to reconciliate it in his mind.
People need to understand something... a good story don't always has to show or explain every thought of its characters... just make sure that things make sense.
Jayce was thinking many things, his own failures and desires, in a way... he was being himself, trying what he could, but just a much as he is a force that drives the world, there are others too that drive it.
At this juncture in time, Viktor was practically fated to go on in his misguided way, so... Jayce simply tried what he could.
Me: "A strong and beautiful friendshi-"
Fandom: "They're gay"
they’re soulmates, whether it’s platonic or romantic.
@powderpocalypse This is the correct answer. It doesn't matter what we call them, they love each other, unconditionally, in every world. It's that simple.
They’re also fictional. You’re chill to think of them as friends and the others are chill thinking them as more.
Comments like this are so funny because there are so many male friendships in media and like nobody is calling Benzo and Vander in love or Heimer and Jayce in love like 😭 I'll think of Jayvik kissing harder knowing it has that much of an effect on people
come on … if Viktor was a girl you guys would be the first to see their relationship as romantic.
God, I don't even know where to begin with this scene
Godddd
Might be one of my favourite scenes in all of television.
@@eternalforce116same, so well done
Can't believe Victor was The Bay Harbour Buther all along...
😂
Damn even here i can't escape dexter 💀
OMG NO LOL THIS MEME HAS GONE TOO FAR
Arcane Jesus
I love Viktor with all my heart but his facial hair would haunt me in my nightmares
Viktor (Arcane) Giving the Rune to the boy Jayce --- > Jayce Creates Hextech ---> Hextech Makes Viktor the Arcane --> Viktor (Arcane) Consumes Everyone --> Viktor (Arcane) regrets --> Viktor Gives the Rune to the boy Jayce (In each timeline a different rune trying to fix the mistake) --> Jayce Creates Hextech.....
Insane, this must be going on forever, where the only probability of victory was the one we saw at the end of the series... and the other would be not creating Hextech, but as we saw, Jinx still has the runes, even in the reality where Hextech was not created.
From what I understand, Viktor Arcano can see the timelines, this is the only way to test runes and runes, until one works... that is, he goes back to the past to give a rune to the child Jayce and stays in the future waiting for the adult Jayce to activate the rune, making him return to the present to try to stop the Loop, if it doesn't work Viktor consumes everyone and it happens again...
The only question is how they can create hexgates without victor giving jayce an acceleration rune? No hexgates →no hexcore→victor dies
@@chupon29Exactly, I believe that's why you call it an anomaly, because if that's exactly it, Viktor (Arcane) did everything wrong, he didn't need to fix anything in the past because the future has already happened, to avoid all this, it was better for him not to have tried to help, no rune, no hextech, no anomaly without Arcane Viktor... No problem!!
As I said, he is the cause and a paradox... He grew up trying not to be like that.. lul
@@chupon29 I think maybe that's why they both disappeared at the end of the series... there wasn't supposed to be an adult Jayce Hextech driver (I mean by the rune on his wrist) and not a Arcane Viktor...
since this jayce only exists for everything that happened, and Viktor only exists like this because of a paradox... none were supposed to exist... without Viktor to give the Rune to a Jayce, there would not be a Jayce with a Rune, but since there is a Jayce with a Rune, then there is an Arcane Viktor .... lul 2x hahaha, in the end everything cancels out, Viktor dies because the loop is over, and this Jayce dies because he never received a rune... He doesn't exist..
@@chupon29 shiit, my head....
@@TMaker-yeah, i think i need a hospital after this series...
just bro things
Basically FuturebViktor was like Spongebob: "I did it ... i saved the City ..."
When she says i love you but your bro said: 0:45
then looks at you like this: 1:00
You think that since there's clearly time travel at play here, arcane victor knew a moment would come like this and he's not only talking to Jayce but himself as well?
Not only do I think that is absolutely the case here, I think he was also referring to the Viktor in the main timeline when he said “only you can show me this” as in only Jayce being given the acceleration rune (which ultimately led to the creation of the zero drive) could cause Viktor to see this messed up future
Ppl saying they gay but its really just sextech.
Their bros.
What would you do for your brother?
@@lumberluchasnt met the gays bwfore
@@sagestrings869 I'll ask again; What will you do for your bro?
@@lumberluc it's kinda annoying how people keep implying that others see romance between Jayce and Vik only because these two are close and willing to die for each other and so on. Geez, it's not just about that. It's about the little details: the way they look at each other sometimes, touch each other, some things they say, etc. Could all these things be interpreted as platonic? Sure! But people come from different cultures, have different lives, have seen and experienced different things... For some people holding hands, touching the other's neck, pointing out "affection" of all things, saying "you're perfect the way you are and I've always admired you", the shot with Viktor being all pretty and looming right over Jayce's face can really look like things that imply romantic feelings between the two. What's so wrong about it? And I hate saying this, but I really do think that if one of these two men was a woman waaaaay more people would be willing to see their love as a romantic one. But when it's two men being soft and gentle with one another they still must 100% be bros. In the end of the day it is really up to each person's interpretation and both versions are valid, can you guys stop acting like you know what's up for a fact as if you're the ones who wrote these characters?
Viktor had a eren jeager memories of the future moment LMAO
For real 😂😂😂
"One of the deepest, philosophical moments is unfolding, basically a god that someone becomes giving him the knowledge that the path he's on is antithetical to what he wants and his close friend is the only one who can get close enough to deliver the message"
Everyone else: "ArE tHeY gAy?!??"
both can be true tbh
@itsmeeli7463 I mean if both are true that's fine I just thought it was funny how many people were arguing either for and against
Both can be true yes but only one is actually true
@toxicmegacolon69 Behold, a TH-cam commenter telling us what is true and what is not about a subjective relationship in an animated tv series which features a full lesbian sex scene. Tell us more
@@GenesisRip jayce has sex with a woman. if this isnt enough then im smh. i guess all hetero guys out there are just gay and you can never really know
When Viktor says in all timelines in all possibilities only you can show me this. Does he means jayce in every timeline or jayce from just this one timeline out of infinite possibilities. Cause that would just be too tragic.
In all the timelines, Jayce is the only one who manages to help him not destroy the world.
I think it's this Jayce since he was sent by future Viktor
I think it’s always the same viktor and jayce in an endless loop starting with different runes
@@monchorhc6032 yes I get that but is it this jayce or every jayce. Except the one in the doomed timeline ofcource. Maybe the doomed Viktor goes in other timelines and saves young jayce in order for them to not end up destroyed.
jayce brought viktor the rune in season 1 they're destined to work on hextech together
Viktor: Now listen I need you to go back in time and tell my past self to stop evolving everyone. You have this vision of the future and he has psychic powers, shouldn’t be too difficult.
Jayce: Well I tried and it didn’t work (I didn’t mention the bad future) so I guess I’ll have to kill you.
Viktor: You’re lucky you’re pretty.
So Jayce heard that...and thought "Right ok, first step once I'm back - make Viktor a donut"
??????
He should've went back and tried to Show Jesus Viktor what he saw. Maybe if his brain didn't get scrambled during the time warp we'd have gotten a different ending
Yeah I mean I know he was under some serious stress but maybe try TALKING BEFORE exteme violence jayce…oh well he got it right in the end
@@cryoblaster8371What part of "in every possibility" that Viktor said you guys didn't understand?
Future Viktor already tried every timeline (the one that about to get fcked) and this is the only one that works, meaning there's a timeline where Jayce talked to Viktor but it still doesn't work.
@@CurseOxuin pretty sure that was referring to each time Viktor went back in time and gave Jayce the crystal, each one has a different rune, meaning Jayce starts hextech from a completely different angle each time.
@@tonydanatop4912 I mean this is Jayce, he’s ALWAYS gone for the most drastic option whenever he feels backed into a corner. He tries to talk Viktor out of Hextech beneath the gates, fails, and immediately assumes it’s too late and he has to blow up the Hexcore even if it means taking Viktor with it.
I'm pretty sure this happened in episode 9. not 8.
It's the sence yace with his harme on the hexgate and viktor touch him, ekko become the outer number that viktor can't caculated, who deciđe to leave the heaven to fix his world
@@phuckilljoy7191 ?
It is
The thing is that anyone can have their own reading into the text: could be brotherly, could be platonic, could be anything.
But there's only one side that gets actively angry at different interpretations, blames their own insecurities onto others, and even dismisses women saying they'll never understand this.
Men, please go to therapy, you're only hurting yourselves. Ask yourselves: why is it you think that a gay reading of this offends you specifically so much? Why is it so bad in your eyes? Why is it you can't accept different interpretations other than the ones you were taught?
For me, as someone who isn't really bothered by the ideas that they cpuld be gay or love eachother in that way. I thinks it rather ignorant to look at 2 guys who love eachother and just assume they have to be gay. Just as the same it'd be for 2 girls who love eachother and assume they're lesbians. The same to think one guy and one girl who love eachother to be straight.
People can love eachother in ways that aren't inherently in a sexual or lover type of relationship, it can also just be they see eachother as siblings.
I personally just think Viktor and Jayce think of eachother as brothers, thats how it has been from the start, and that's how it ends for them. They changed eachothers lives and helped to make eachother better people through the ups and downs.
I respect the other interpretations of this relationship tho. There are definitely people who immediately assume anything that depicts men and or women as homosexual in any way just have an ignorant fit about it.
Thanks for reading! Have a great day :)
because theyre both established to be straight in the show lmfao. its not that its offensive, its just an incorrect reading of the situation due to literal facts.
@@fenixmyaroon8633 "Established to be straight" how? Because they have affection for women?
Wait until you hear bisexuality exists...
@@Senny_V are you fucking gay? The writer himself said they're relationship is brotherly. Sick of you fucking people jesus christ
Here we go with the generalizations about men again…
That robe would make a sick adaptation into a hoodie. I don’t know how Riot misses so many opportunities.
honestly
imagine all the edgy teenagers wearing that to school tho. instant bullying
I loved the relationship between jayce and Viktor. I never felt it was a gay relationship in the closet , just two intelligent and talented men with a dream to make their world a better place . Throughout the show both of them showed how sincere they were about each other snd yes it is love but a platonic sort of love. Their was also a lot of mutual respect. They were each others person and in their quest for glory and goodness ended up building something beyond their control. I loved that the 2 nd act had a underlying theme of forgiveness. Ending of season 1 made jinx unforgivable in my eyes yet she made up with vi and managed to redeem herself , caitylyn was able to forgive jinx to an extent despite she killing her mother , jayce was able to forgive victor depsite all the things he did , powder reminded ekko about friendship and kindness and he was able to concile with jinx and convince her to fight . Despite commiting to something unpardonable and going beyond the point of return they were able to forgive their loved ones.
wrong they’re gay
Bruh it's called platonic love which is like brother@@poggorseel
@@aceimmortal9826 WRONG
@@poggorseelmost believable youtube comment ragebait
@@poggorseel go ask riot devs
This scene ❤
This hug ❤❤❤
My god I love it so much! 2 soul mates linked by destiny and life. I love their relationship sooooo much!
Their death. Gosh, the season 2 was worth only for their last scenes. Loved it so much.
Soul brothers, if the writers wanted them to be gay they cleary could have done so lol
@@Freshcornpopthe comment didnt say it was gay? Youre only projecting your insecurities
@@alejandrasanchez3022 he probably cannot handle that he's himself attracted to either Jayce or Viktor and thus projects haha
@@alejandrasanchez3022"projecting" bro wtf, how to take it from 0 to 200%, go eat a Pico dulce would ya?