IC 7300 Using a Gutter Antenna or Stealth Ham Radio

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  • Using and Icom IC 7300 the antenna is the gutter. If you tuck in the wiring under the eves of the house, this gutter antenna could be a great stealth antenna for your Ham Radio.
    Here was my SWR
    160 Meter at 1.9 MHz SWR was 6.7
    80 M 3.8 MHz SWR 6.1
    40 M 7.2 MHz SWR 3.3
    30 M 10.125 SWR 2.5
    20 M 14.150 SWR 4.7
    17 M 18.144 SWR 9.6
    15 M 21.200 SWR 8.4
    12 M 24.945 SWR 7.3
    10 M 28.400 SWR 12.0
    6 M 50.125 SWR 5.0
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    Please watch: "Minelab Manticore first time out"
    • Minelab Manticore firs...
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  • @W3OY-RAY
    @W3OY-RAY 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I use the gutter system of my apartment building as my primary, every day HF antenna. I make 8-10000 mile contacts using mine almost every day. I do feed it using a 9:1 impedance transformer. Works surprisingly well to the point that I rarely put up my EFHW or EFRW at all any more. It is pretty long at about a 150 foot straight section with 4x 30 ft tall downspouts. Lots of metal. Thanks for the video. W3OY

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ray, sounds like you got a good thing! Thanks for watching my video!

    • @dStruct619
      @dStruct619 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would there be any benefit to running a higher ratio say 49:1 unun/transformer with this type of antenna configuration?

    • @W3OY-RAY
      @W3OY-RAY ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dStruct619 A 49:1 would be inappropriate for this application 99% of the time unless it is EXACTLY 1/2 wavelength long. Very doubtful. Used a 9:1 because I figured that the gutter would be a non-resonant length, which is far more likely, and perform like an End Fed Random Wire with an impedance around 400-600 ohms.

  • @mattkn4edg
    @mattkn4edg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cool video!

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Matthew Self Thank you!! And thanks for watching my video!!!

  • @hypnosiscenternyc
    @hypnosiscenternyc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice.. I think I'll try that

  • @williamgrocott8925
    @williamgrocott8925 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always learn something from watching your videos Rich. Thank you. How well does this tune across the other bands? Thanks again and keep safe. 73; De Will, M0LGW

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      William, Thank you for watching my videos! Depending on your circumference around your house, If you have a good external antenna tuner probably 6- 80 meters. Some suggest using the gutter as an end fed using a 9 to 1 balun again using a good tuner. That should work also.

  • @thuff3207
    @thuff3207 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice idea and I will have to try that on my gutters. What is the balun you are using. Thank you for sharing your antenna.

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm using a Balunn Design 2.5 to 1 Balun. Thank you for watching my video!

  • @CamilleCullen-ow6qj
    @CamilleCullen-ow6qj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video!! I love unusual antennas! Robert K5TPC

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Robert, It is fun to see what the results are. Thank you for watching my video!

  • @joekrepps
    @joekrepps 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Your SWR Chart: is that without a tuner or with? I live in a 6-unit condo with ~90’ of gutter, ~15’ up plus a few downspouts. Hoping to find a good tuner for it. My rigs don’t have internal tuners. (Well, technically, I think the output circuit in my old Kenwood TS-530S qualifies but I’d rather not push it. HiHi!) Tnx de WB3CFN

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Joe, thank you for watching my video. Yes, I was using a external tuner. I thought the signal was stronger with my gutter than with my antenna I had at the time. Good luck.

  • @rangersmith4652
    @rangersmith4652 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That makes me think, could my gutters themselves serve as elements of a dipole? Peace, 73. KO4NGK

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sure, if they are close to the length of the frequency you are using. I guess you could still use a external antenna tuner. Thanks for watching my video...

  • @redstickham6394
    @redstickham6394 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting experiment. You don't know what is going to work until you try it. Were you able to load up on all bands using the internal tuner or did you have to use an external?

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's always fun to try different things for antennas. I had to use an external antenna tuner. I don't remember what bands I could use.

  • @NathanWeier
    @NathanWeier 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am using a HOA Buster from Alpha Antenna and it is working well. I have a break in the gutter and wouldn't mind trying to connect the house gutter to the garage gutter with wire. What gauge of wire did you use?

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am thinking it was #20 or #18. Probably #20, thank you for watching my video.

  • @usernamemykel
    @usernamemykel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rich, how would one determine whether or not a counterpoise is needed?
    If a counterpoise is needed, how would one determine the proper length?
    Please explain why you used no ""ground".
    Enjoyed the vid, and thank you!

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      On a full wave loop you do not need a counterpoise. However, if you are using a gutter for a end-fed antenna and lets say you were using it for 80 meters. I would use a 1/4 wave 80 Meter counterpoise or about 62 feet long.

    • @usernamemykel
      @usernamemykel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RichRodgersOnline Thank you!

  • @user-qb3pg5ph4c
    @user-qb3pg5ph4c 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Rich,just watched your video on gutter antennas. It’s a good thing you mentioned using a tuner to get a low SWR. Are you familiar with Comets feed through the window/ door feeder? With the female so239s? I might get one and feed it through my window as I live in an apartment and am on the ground floor. The gutters go up 3 stories. The only thing I would be concerned with is RFI. Would my transmissions affect any of my neighbors? Any input would be great. 73s Rob,wa2fmh.

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Rob, I haven't heard of the Comets feed through the window/ door feeder. Pretty interesting! 2 things which may help reduce TVI. 1 a good Ground. 2nd a low pass filter. One thing you may want to look to see where is the location of the TV Cable. If the TV Cable is close to the gutter and is parallel there is a good chance no matter what you use there maybe TVI which would get into TV Cable. However, if the TV cable is on the other side of the apartment. Most likely if you take the precautions of a low pass filter and a good ground that should help. Some people say with cable you don't need a low pass filter since people do not use antennas. Another place for suggestions is write to ARRL Tech Support. They have a fast response. Good luck!! 73, Rich

    • @user-qb3pg5ph4c
      @user-qb3pg5ph4c 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RichRodgersOnline Hi Rich, I decided to forgo the gutter antenna, as I’m not sure if the property manager would approve. I wouldn’t want to set it up and face the possibility of being evicted. I know that maybe drastic, but don’t want to take that chance.

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rob, is there a tree that belongs to the property either in front or back of your apartment? If so, you could use a 9 to 1 balun and run a wire to the tree. Another use a small fishing weight and drop the wire out the window at night. If you have a balcony, get a MFJ magnetic loop. I have talked all over with mine.

  • @daveborchard2019
    @daveborchard2019 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could you run an amplifier into that gutter antenna if you have a remote tuner? How does the gutter antenna perform compared to other antennas you’ve tried in the past?

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Dave, I am sure you could run an amplifier into the gutter antenna. BUT not sure how much heat might be radiating from the gutter antenna to the house where the gutter antenna is mounted?????? I would ask ARRL Techs about the safety. I had a full wave loop I was using at the time; I believe the gutter antenna actually received a little better on 10 Mhz than the loop. I am not sure about the other bands. It seemed interesting on the video; he was running 1500 watts and I only had 100 watts on 20 meters. It performed well. Thank you for watching my video. 73, Rich

  • @josebrivera1716
    @josebrivera1716 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very well done! Great Stealth Antenna?

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jose, thank you for watching. I was just experimenting with the gutter as a full wave. The band wasn't that good, but the gutter antenna seemed to do very well!

  • @craigmorse6154
    @craigmorse6154 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am pretty much a novice and setup my gutter antenna (purchase the kit from Alpha Antenna), but I am not having much luck on my 7300. Do you happen to provide any side assistance? I really don’t have anyone to contact for help. Thanks!!

  • @jayfpv9376
    @jayfpv9376 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn't get a good look at the balan. What is it? Do you have a link to it? Thanks.

  • @hum3505
    @hum3505 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does one have to attach the wire to the down spout or can one choose to attach it to the gutter itself.

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  ปีที่แล้ว

      I just took mind to the gutter. It worked great!

  • @alalan3735
    @alalan3735 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice! Rich Could one use a 9:1 unun instead?

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Al Alan, Thank you for watching my video! A 9 to 1 balun good for an End Fed antenna. If you have a gap in you gutter then leave the gap and you could use the gutter as an end fed. That may work great!!!

    • @alalan3735
      @alalan3735 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RichRodgersOnline Thanks Rich! ;)

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alalan3735 You are very welcome!!

  • @paullinnell
    @paullinnell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How did you feed into your tuner?? What tuner?? Thanks. I lost my rotator and thus my feed to the beam as it whirlybirded around and broke. Health prevents me from getting it repaired so this might keep me on the air!! Thanks!! 73 de NØPL

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I used a 2.5 balun from Balun Design and used RG-8 coax. Thank you for watching my video!

    • @paullinnell
      @paullinnell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RichRodgersOnline thanks!

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paullinnell You are very welcome!

    • @paullinnell
      @paullinnell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RichRodgersOnline I don’t see a 2.5 Balinese lister?

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paullinnell www.balundesigns.com/2/

  • @leeskyles9903
    @leeskyles9903 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    trying to install a 75 ft (ish) wire for a temporary antenna, wondering if I will need to use an impedance matcher to my Ic-7300?

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would use a 9 to 1 Balun and a external antenna tuner... Thank you for watching my video.

    • @leeskyles9903
      @leeskyles9903 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RichRodgersOnline thanks so much for the tip! thanks for posting videos. take care!

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@leeskyles9903 Thank you, Lee!

    • @indiana146
      @indiana146 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im in uk im taking my beginners foundation liçence ive heard a lot about the ic 7300 please could you tell me how you find this transceiver regards adrian

  • @calarfe
    @calarfe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi, I'm french and I didn't understand everything. Did you ground your antenna ? and If Yes, how ? Good job :)

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      J'avais beaucoup d'espaces entre mes gouttières. J'ai dû attacher des fils pour connecter toutes les gouttières ensemble, sauf une zone pour ma ligne d'alimentation. J'utilise un balun 2.5 à 1 et je n'ai pas mis mon antenne à la terre. Merci d'avoir regardé ma vidéo!

    • @daytonasixty-eight1354
      @daytonasixty-eight1354 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RichRodgersOnline Hey I didn't understand your reply because you wrote it in french. Did you ground the antenna?

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@daytonasixty-eight1354 Daytona, No I made the gutter a full wave loop so to speak. I do have a ground wire coming in my shack and grounding everything.

  • @seeharvester
    @seeharvester ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How did you determine what balun to use?

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  ปีที่แล้ว

      Usually the lower to the ground a 2.5 to 1 Balun would have better Impedance. If it is a higher antenna a 4 to 1 balun is used.

    • @seeharvester
      @seeharvester ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RichRodgersOnline
      OK. Thanks a lot.

  • @revbikerbigd8664
    @revbikerbigd8664 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How did you hook up your coax to it ??

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  ปีที่แล้ว

      I had a place where one gutter was about 1 foot higher than the other. I put one wire to that and one wire to the other and it went to a 2.5 to 1 Balun which had the 239 connector .. Thanks for watching.

    • @revbikerbigd8664
      @revbikerbigd8664 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RichRodgersOnline would a 9 to 1 unun work ?

    • @RichRodgersOnline
      @RichRodgersOnline  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@revbikerbigd8664 if you use one side you probably will need a external antenna tuner