Railway on the Roof of the World: Qinghai-Tibet line
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Today we're going to talk about the railways in Tibet, or to be more precise Qinghai-Tibet railway line.
This line currently holds the Guinness World Record for the world's highest railway line, with the highest point reaching an altitude of 5,072 m, and due to the technical impossibility to overcome natural obstacles and lack of funds, the realization of this engineering miracle lasted several decades.
Namely, the Tibet Plateau, also known as Qinghai-Tibet Plateau in China, stretches out in the Chinese western regions, and with an average elevation of 3000-4000 meters, it is referred to as "the roof of the world."
Due to the weather conditions and extremely fragile eco-environmental system, the construction of the line faced 3 serious issues that we discussed during the video.
The first and main one was the permafrost in the subgrade of the railway embankment that had to be stabilized. The second was the lack of oxygen. Namely, about 85 percent of the Qinghai-Tibet railway line was built over 4,000 meters, which means that the oxygen level along the railway is only 50-60 percent of that at sea level. Also, the annual average temperature is below the freezing point. And the third major constraint was that this territory is home to a wealth of rare species, and it was necessary to implement special measures to preserve biodiversity.
On the other hand, this project attracted many criticism, as it is seen by many as an Beijing's attempt to strengthen political control of Tibet, facilitate Chinese immigration into the region and accelerate the dilution of Tibetan culture.
Some have also voiced concerns that the railway will allow greater military presence in the Tibet Autonomous Region as well as facilitate Beijing’s exploitation of Tibet’s natural resources.
In any case, this railway line remains an engineering marvel and will continue to be breathtaking. Literally.
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Awful Chi Na Project
No matter what justification is offered or accepted, the project is both an engineering wonder and masterpiece!!!
Indeed that is true, regardless of the reasons behind its construction it shouldn't detract from the fact that it is an absolutely monumental engineering achievement.
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A railway at 5,072m above the sea level has to be an experience of its own. In UK the highest peak is about 1,000m. In the highest point in Europe Mont Blanc is 4,807m. The highest point a person can be mechanically transported to is 3,899m at the top of the The ski resort Zermatt/Breuil-Cervinia which shared between Switzerland and Italy. Thus sleeping on a train passing 5,072m is what a dream is made of.
If you do plan on taking this ride, beware of altitude sickness. My sister went with a friend on this train(Chongqing to Lhasa) and her friend had to leave early because of altitude sickness.
@@magnetospin I am sure there are people sensitive to altitude sickness. However Lhasa has an altitude of 3658 m above sea level and this is no demanding. The train does go through above 5,000m level but is equipped with oxygen supply to each individual like travelling on a plane so it should not be a problem while on the train. In Europe people regularly ski at altitude around 3,500m. The maximum altitude for Val Thoren and Tigne are 3,230m and 3,456m. Zermatt in Switzerland with Cervinia of Italy has the highest at 3,899m and Austria's Pitztaler Gletcher is famous for it 3,440m peak. All of them are reachable by chairlift, godola or cable cars. However I could imagine someone never travel outside some of the small flat pacific or Polynesia island will find a sudden large altitude change difficult to cope.
That is a US$200 maximum ticket from Beijing to Lhasa.
@D R Sitting in a crowded train car for that long can be exhausting and you are also negotiating high altitude. It would be more comfortable and less risky if you took the sleepers.
@D R Google info = "Lanzhou was the first main stop of the Qinghai-Tibet railway. The train takes almost 25 hours to reach Lhasa. The cost for the soft-sleeper coaches is 823 CNY and that of the hard sleeper coaches cost 522 CNY". It is Mecca for the world's train enthusiasts interested in finding out how human being could manage to run a train on permafrost ground.
Honestly, almost all Chinese people, including me, are extremely proud of this project. This project is a very symbolic representation of the work of Chinese Gov. on transportation infrastructure in last 20 years. I mean, almost every Chinese live in Main part have a dream to visit Tibet, either by driving through Sichuan-Tibet Highway or taking train through Qinghai-Tibet Railway.
It's amazing that almost everyone outside of China is totally ignorant about the real story of Tibet. Zero knowledge of the serfs; they think it was paradise before the PLA came.
I absolutely love how your videos about railway are truly global
Thank you sir!
I discovered your channel recently when researching on German HSR, and I'm immediately amazed by the engineering perspective you take and the level of technical details you cover. Well done and keep it up!
After this video I definitely want to go on a train ride that runs on this line ☺... Great video as always 👌
I used to have many Tibeatan friends when I live in Europe. The opinion towards it is actually divided, tibetan outside China one side enjoy greater freedom and economic opportunities, on the other side, they don't think it is possible to have infrastructure like this without Chinese. BTW China and Nepal are also planning a railway link
Oh yes, to expedite the harmonious purification and state sponsored organ trafficking. Just like the Germans?
Nepal wants China to build the railway, so that Nepal can have another connection to the outside world.
Yeah many tibetan independent movement forgot that even they got independence, they still a landlocked country that still depend on neighbooring country to access international trade, And the one and only country that can trade with tibet is china.
Also with landlocked,harsh terrain, and lack of infrastructure, tibet could be the poorest nation in the world
True, Tibetans had to walk miles to fetch some water. They had no baths, electricity, water and most things. China built and develop Tibet with the elimination of poverty, access to
all basic utilities like water, roads,electricity, 5g.
LHASA is a beautiful city with HS trains and a host of other post modern amenities!
Overseas Tibetans advocating for independence are generally stooges of the West, like those EU leaders fulfilling the wishes of their masters, but do not care about the misery or hardship of the impacted people.
Australia: We built a railway through the Blue Mountains!
China: Hold my Himalayas.
I can't imagine the reactions if a local authority in Europe says a new mean of transport available will be bad for Europe's identity because will facilitate inmigration from other ethnic groups. And that reactions would be justified.
Honestly sounds like what right wing extremists might say, "The railway will steal our culture, we gotta keep em immigrants out".
I have travelled on this railway and enjoyed the journey very much. I visited Lhasa in 2016 and returned by air!
Thanks for the video. I think people need give more respect to the workers who build these pieces of infrastructure. They may be huge feats of engineering but the workers are the ones who sacrifice a lot to build them for us. Respect to the workers and keep up the good work👍
Great video. Political Railways or in formal way is Railway diplomacy is absolutely effective.
Every step for development favouring Tibetan people and their rehabilitation is most welcome!!!
I was lucky enough to take this train ride from Xi’an to Lhasa 14 years ago. The view was surreal and astounding.
My observation have been Tibetan Chinese like the development Tibet has seen and support the government's modernization drive. Tibetan Indian and a bunch of white people don't like the development in Tibet and want it become part of India or a western protectorate.
People in the west don't realize 95% of all Tibetan live in China and indistinguishable from Han and other ethnic groups in the southwest. The very loud 3% that lives in India and the west get all the news coverage even though they have never set foot in Tibet nor speak the language nor eat the food
The very loud 3% of Tibetan is the slaveowners and the religeous leader who want back to the religeous control all slave kind of scoiety. And all this kind of news and protest are supported by the West and India.
Even if Tibet got independent, they still heavily dependent on china because they're landlocked country in the middle of nowhere. I bet those tibetan supporter or western media would care even if tibet become the poorest nation on earth after independent
Taiwan is a country
@@christophern762 Sure, you speak for us even though you barely understand our history
@@Peizxcv TIBET is not China's,one day it'll regain it's freedom
man, the proverbs "if you want to get rich, build a road first" and it is so true, compared to routes in ship/ferry travel roads really connect people and not just people but minds as well as enhances trade/economics. The good thing with China even if they have different dynasties and foreigners that ruled over them, they're quite a symbol of the modern world's success, a faster and better connection of people and ideas as well as our knowledge about records of the past--specially with the silk road.
About their migration/immigration to Tibet, I don't know but I think that's an old Chinese strategy before they even become united as an empire. But in our modern world or nationalization or being nations instead of kingdoms and empires, and having that more defined borders if you would think strategically Tibet is so close with India and there has been border issues with the two large countries that Tibet is technically a doorway to China if India ever gets in joint operations from Western/other countries and it really is an important area because of the geography much like how mountainous area defended Persia from the Ottoman empire.
Sadly, Tibet is like Ukraine, the doorway to Russia--even if Russia and America is so close, again geographically specially with winter/cold climate it is quite hard to send troops much like again with Ottoman to Persia which the route was literally hot and would exhaust and kills your troops and horses before battle
train tracks are better than roads. fuck car dependency!
@Taiwan Isnotacountry hmm, from your username you're against Taiwan as a country eh? educate me then than giving me an assignment, are you a teacher?? "get a proper education" then go ahead educate me right here, right now
@Taiwan Isnotacountryomg! He makes up A lot of wild fantasies to suit his fake claims to Tibetan territory, history and culture!
Yap China has a shared history, culture and marriages between Chinese princesses and Tibetan King's. Tibetans live in
many, diffrent
parts of China
.
@Taiwan Isnotacountry you're missing something tho... tell me about the history between the two, and we'll look at their background. Tho I'd admit, the government who fled to Taiwan then established their own independent country is kind of a loser, they were defeated by the commies at the time, and Taiwan was part of China before right?? they only fled to that part of the country, got defeated then didn't surrender.
Still, with the things you've said, it is clear that China still has the expansionist mindset. Well, in old world in order to get better trades/resources you either get partnership with kings/countries or you get them under you either by occupation or making them a puppet state or make them a vassal state. Roads are very important, as well as sea routes, as Themistocles said, “He who commands the sea has command of everything.” And that's in the sense of ancient world, where it wasn't really that far if you use modern ships but with sails it could take months and months.
Then in more modern age, by Walter Raleigh, “For whosoever commands the sea commands the trade; whosoever commands the trade of the world commands the riches of the world, and consequently the world itself.”
It's really the case during the age of sails and colonialism, where most pirates shined, or actually privateers hired by kingdoms/empires to attack enemy/competitor vessels so that they'd get the cap power of the sea or trade, that whoever is the strongest in the sea was kind of the strongest empire back then, and then the same thing happened to Imperial Japan because of their officers in the army division wanted more riches as well as the top country that holds the economy in Asia, they really had to go against America strategically.
So in that scale, if the power to control the seas or oceans is the power to control some parts of the world's trade, then essentially roads are of a country's, specially with railroads that has faster capabilities to transfer both goods and people. You are proud of the PRC, then it shows some light on what may be your government's strategy to world domination is. I don't hate China and the Chinese people, I love their history as well as some very great contribution to history which is overshadowed by western historical info but what I am outright disgusted is the outright brutality of the (communist) government to its citizens without even first getting them to court--tho I get it, the other government that fled to Taiwan is quite incompetent but the communist party only got better when they let the people do business and not own them but still the brutality is there.
@Taiwan Isnotacountry yeah yeah they might be great, but how about the outright brutality?? yes America, Japan, England may have had severe crap things they did to China before, but how about Mao Zedong's?? that's outright evil to your own people, it could've been understandable if it's the people in the higher ranks who are greedy and corrupt who are preventing the economy's betterment but his own people?? gross and cringe. It's quite one of the same reasons why Ukraine doesn't want to be part of Russia anymore or at least under its league. Even if brutal, Genghis Khan might have done better than the current commie country--which has lied to its people, starved its people, brutal to its people and other atrocities.
Some products you have might be of good quality but in the end they're all at the government's mercy.
Another item has been added to my buck list! Thank you for such an informative video!
Thank you for your video ❤️ nothing to comment just admire work 🤗
The locomotive running on this line was originally a heavy duty american made showing in this video, and there is a new high speed diesel and electric combo Chinese made train now. The train runs on electricity and switch to diesel when it reaches the not electrified portion. This is to reduce air pollution. The windows on the train have UV protection and is pressurized like airplane. Line is single track, there are 4G stations along the road to track the train movement to control the two way traffic. Thermo sticks are used to augment the pipes to reduce temp in some area. How it works is the stick is filled with coolant, underground heat will raise liquid coolant to above ground the cold air takes away the heat and push the coolant back down and the cycle repeats, a genius low cost low tech engineering solution.
Every country has ministry wants to succeed from the nation, Texas in U.S., Quebec in Canada, Spain, Ireland, Turkey…..don’t talk about politics in a train video? There is a new tibet railway under construction with even greater engineering challenges, you should talk about that new railway.
They are right to expect the average person to be ignorant of the biochemical adaptations needed to live on the plateau for extended periods, adaptations that Han Chinese typically lack.
Remember that the folks who fled in the 1950s and 1960s are the equivalent of the Confederacy In Exile or whatever the name. Obviously the former slaveowners and nobles would harken back to the "good old days" when they could lord over the plebs without any restrictions.
I am white and I almost felt like dying in the three days I spent up in Lhasa. Altitude sickness is no joke.
Precisely the correct comparison. The "old Tibet" was a modern slave state ruled with an iron fist by an absolute monarch. The modern Chinese government is a godsend of freedom and prosperity when compared to the feudal despot the people slaved under in years past. Those slavers who fled persecution are all too happy to drum up dupes in the west to support their vision for a return to feudalism.
@@yumaa905 Yes, it is possible. It happened to a young girl at Lake Titicaca, if I'm not mistaken. Pulmonary embolism and she just died. And healthcare in Tibet is not great, to say the least. I went to the hospital in Lhasa and no one spoke English. I was fortunate that was still on my feet, I returned to my hotel where a few doctors from my group gave me something for my diarrhea and vomiting. I have no doubt that I would have eventually died if I had stayed considerably more than those three long days. But, I did use all of my remaining strength to visit the Potala Palace and the Jokhang Temple, something I will never be able to do in my lifetime.
All the Tibetans outside of China are the decendant of all those Slave Masters, including the Dalai Lama, who enslaved 95% of their fellow Tibetans. All the Slave Masters have lost all their previliges when Tibet was liberated from these evil Slave Masters and they all ran away to India. If these Slave Masters did not ran to India, all the liberated enslaved Tibetans will burn all these Slave Masters alive.
To all the liberated enslaved Tibetans, they are already in "Free Tibet". But the Slave Masters' 'free tibet' is to enslave their former poor Tibetans again. All the Slave Masters might lie to some people, but you cannot lie to all other people at the same time.
Let me remind everyone, all the Slave Masters used to skin their slaves alive or chop off their hands if they do not pay their debts to their Slave Masters. All these evil were also recorded by Western reporters even before the coming of this present Communist Government in 1951.
Please also make a video series on the engineering aspect of the Chinese HSR system. I'm always amazed by the large proportion of bridges and tunnels they adopt and the insane cost-saving via standardization they achieved. Their system also runs a unique collection of Japanese, German, and French high speed train sets, and it would be very interesting to learn how they achieved the harmonization between different standards.
We already did:
th-cam.com/video/aXo7wi488Eo/w-d-xo.html
@@RailwaysExplained Thanks for the link. I've watched that one, great work as always. But what I really wish to see is a more technical aspect. What guage system, what signaling system etc, and the evolution of the trains. Just like your videos on the German and Spanish system.
Excellent video! please do make another one on the Chengdu-Lhasa railway being constructed these days
Back in 1994, I travelled by road from Lhasa to Goldmud and then by train from Goldmud to Xining. There was no comparison! The 30hr road trip by bus was exhausting (the heating was painfully insufficient). The 20hr train trip was so much more comfortable, even in the hard seat section! Then going to Lanzhou and other places in China was a breeze as their trains were really fine. The most challenging step was purchasing tickets: foreign people were not allowed to go to normal counters (no ticketing machines back then) and the tricky part was to find the counter for foreigners.
Yes, all ticket machines are linked with Chinese ID card which has a chip inside. This is to prevent someone stockpile tickets and resale in higher prices in high travel season like Chinese new year. It’s inconvenient for people who don’t have the id card
@@vrealzhou back then when I traveled in China, there were no ticketing machines. But I get it from your comment that's it's still a hassle for foreigners to purchase them ;)
I really enjoyed the video, and i have a suggestion: can you make video explaining the Finnish railways.
We will consider that.
Sichuan-Tibet Railway is the most complicated railway project in construction.
Chinese Govenment spend over 43 Billion USD to build this.
The valve of Sichuan-Tibet Railway may be:
1. Shorten distance between Tibet and China South East region. (Hope I can travel Tibet via this railway soon)
2. Railway connect Nepal via Himalayas. (Rainway between Shigatse and China-Nepal border in construction)
i would love to see a video on china nepal railway, which is not yet realized. but how hard will it to be to build a transhimlayan railway.
Say what you will about China, but when they have an idea, they get it done.
Say what you want about the Chinese government; they know how to build a lot of railways
Now I'm thinking about all the potential ways the ice can ruin these plans...
you mean global warming? Ya that’s a serious problem to these rail lines built on frozen land.
@@Hugooo00 No, just rail on ice in general.
But that sounds way worse.
Tibet was since 1200 years a part of China and China can make any policy which it deems as necessary for economic as well as security and defence purposes.
I heard they will also be building a rail line between Lhasa and the country of Bhutan
I am surprised Networks do not buy these quality posts that far exceed their expensive offerings.
Make video on Shigatse to Kathmandu railway.
Great
Yo, I herd u liek second issues, so I put a second issue (9:50) after the second issue (8:48), so you can watch from second to second.
I view China's rail development a matter of necessity, not politics. I have ridden on their latest trains and am impressed with their use of current technology. Many of their development is using new ideas they hav developed. I am amazed at their innovation.
It is intersting to see installation of solar panels for power generation. But what is surprising us why wind power is avoded especially more upstream!!
Next: Johor Bahru - Singapore Rapid Transit System explained
How about the Shigatse to Kathmandu rail project? It was just announced when Nepal FM visited China several weeks ago.
Political and economical, it’s the same thing. The Marxists believe any struggle can trace its root back to the class struggle, the unequal distribution of production goods - which in our current space time, can be mostly interpreted as good ol’ economical woes. The Chinese government, firmly sticking to the Marxist doctrines, has been practicing the same strategy first at its heartland (post-1989), then its fringe regions - Xinjiang, Tibet and soon Hong Kong - believing improving local livelihood economically will ultimately quench discontent, as people willingly trade some political freedom for stability and prosperity. For both - you begin with transportation.
Anyway. Who can fault the locals for fancying a bit of connectivity to hook themselves up to the economical opportunities in the nation’s wealthy regions in the east? Dharamshala today doesn’t offer much in comparison, be it life traditional or modern - other than a ticket to some “little Tibet” on the other side of the planet where people make a living by selling momo dumplings.
If you think the CCP still gives a damn about Marxist ideology, the last time they pretended to do so was before comrade Deng won the power struggle after Mao's death. The CCP are a bunch of cowards who are afraid to admit that they are state capitalists. You don't have to be a Marxist to justify the use of the promoting national unity through development card. Just about every country that at least pretends to care about its minorities throws out a bone every now and then.
Dont cry p00r Indian, in 2300, p00r India will be a superpower.
Stay a superpooper in the meantime
If you consider where the lines eventually leads to, the Qinghai-Tibet lice leads to Beijing, and the Chengdu-Tibet line leads to Shanghai with a branch to Hong Kong. Beijing is the political capital of the country, while Shanghai and Hong Kong are economy centers and great sea ports of the country. While the first line can be seen as political control to Tibet, the second is all about money.
Nan, those two lines are pure engineering reasons. Those are the two major trading routes to Tibet in the history. The route from Qinghai is longer but not that steep which is easier to build. The route from Sichuan is shorter but needs to cross a lot of mountains.
@@vrealzhouyour analysis is correct. I can't say the same of op
Can you do a video about the Chenab Bridge? It recently got completed.
There is NOTHING "special" about the "mighty" chenab "bridge".
The "mighty" chenab "biridge" *IS ONLY THE 13TH HIGHEST BRIDGE IN TE WORLD.*
*AND, as a SIMPLE arch structure, there is NOTHING "special" about the "mighty" chenab "bridge".*
The old highway has to be closed by environmental conservation volunteers and police to let wildlife cross it; the railway just uses bridges and tunnels instead.
The moral of the actions are sensible uigurs and Tibetans should be thankful for being linked to the world with engineering masterpieces, after hundreds of years!!!
Yes, the living standard is way up in Tibet after the railway was connected. The people are happier now that they can buy and sell their goods easily within the country. Wait until railway connections to Napal and Bhutan in the future. Tibet area is going to blossom to a new era.
You need to talk about Indian railways
Would be interesting to hear how many passenger trains and freight trains are serving those tracks per day or week.
But anyway: China manages to build passenger rail even up there, in areas of high elevation and very low population density, and at the same time you hear Americans "we live too spread out" ...
Good point. US is far behind for infrastructure and other thing not because US does not have capabilities. Simply, those are not interests of big corporations or rich people who control the government.
9 passenger trains per day. Better than 99% of the USA
super :-)
De precizat Terenurile nu urca ci merg in line dreapta la altitudine mare .
Can you do a video on Chenab bridge?
Interesting project. Thank you for suggesting!
There is NOTHING "special" about the "mighty" chenab "bridge".
The "mighty" chenab "biridge" *IS ONLY THE 13TH HIGHEST BRIDGE IN TE WORLD.*
*AND, as a SIMPLE arch structure, there is NOTHING "special" about the "mighty" chenab "bridge".*
@@archstanton5973 If you really think that, awesome for you. Clearly it’s special enough for you to start shouting at an TH-cam comment thread. Otherwise, if you find it unremarkable, just keep mouth shut and avoid it, would be better for everyone around you
Only Tibetans can live on the plateau because they have naturally adapted to it through evolution. Many Chinese( Han) regret working in Tibet due to health issues later in life. The body of low altitude people simply cannot take it for too long. I still want to visit Tibet for a few days some day cool place
that's not true. My Han chinese friends live there fine
@@wangchangsheng1184 he is right, yes you can live Lisa for 30 years, but the price is you developed cardiovascular diseases or respiratory diseases. Some people heart become double or even triple size of a normal heart. My cousin is a doctor, he used to teach a group of tibétain young doctors, he told me those people has extra 75% red cell in their blood compared to us.
Wow China very good. Good job.
Dissapointing comments in the first 2 days. Railfans continue to be an odd lot.
In general this boosted the travel industry in Tibet as millions of domestic and foreign travellers come to Tibet with this railway, and It also helps the modern lifestyle being introduced to Tibet: early 2010s the first KFC is open in Tibet(not sure if McD or other international restaurant chains is also there now), but the railway can also carry military forces: CN and IN has territory confilct around Tibet(see 15:02, Aksai Chin is currently under CN control while IN controls Arunachal), and if you look at the route of Lhasa-Chengdu Railway yoh can find out it is quite near to Arunachal region……A railway connecting the main part of CN and the front can be a nightmare for IN army there, I'm not sure if it is related to the more frequently low-intensive battle(usually only use cold weapons) there between CN and IN army in recent years……
Climate change could spell major trouble for this rail line, as the permafrost melts.
Climate change is a scam.
help dad develop qinghai tibet xinjiang and the poor regions.
Love you China and the Chinese all over the globe. Hardworking and very innovative.
就知道会夹带私货😅
Yuqoridan to'siq paydo bo'ladi, Fushining yagona zaif nuqtasi.
Odličan video, ali ovi argumenti koji se navode na kraju klipa pogrešni, zato što polaze od pretpostavke da je Tibet nezavisna država koje eto nema ama baš nikakve veze sa Kinom, što nije tako. Na kraju krajeva, ako neka zemlja pokušava da konsoliduje svoju teritoriju, osigura je na ekonomski, vojni i svaki drugi način, tako što se graditi ovakve infrastrukture projekte od koga neće samo oni imati koristi već i lokalno stanovništvo, koje bi inače tako nešto moglo samo da sanja za narednih milion godina... Doseljavanje i migracije stanovništva ako su slobodne, unutar iste zemlje nisu nikakav zločin, i argument da Han Kinez ne sme da se doseli na Tibet koji je unutar Kine je baš promašen argument.
Siguran sam da je kineski način osiguravanja teritorije koji sprovode, bolji od toga da naprave od Tibeta nekakvu kaznjeničku izolovanu koloniju ili zatvor, odsečen od sveta i bez ikakve šanse za lokalne ljude i perspektivu, i poprilično sam siguran da će kroz godine oni apsolutno najveći broj ljudi pridobiti svojevoljno, kada oni shvate da su im šanse za ekonomski razoj i život 101x bolje unutar Kine nego izvan nje, i to ne znači da oni moraju biti asimilovani.
Najbolji primer toga može biti Čečenija, i to su najbolje shvatili lokalni Čečeni i stanovništvo da imaju 2 izbora, da budu mala i siromašna nezavisna država na samoj granici velike svetske sile koja je u sukobu sa istom, i da budu osuđeni na večnu nestabilnost, razaranja i ratove sa tom silom, ili da budu unutar zemlje sa Rusijom i ne predstavljaju opasnost za nju, dok oni zauzvrat dobijaju podtpunu slobodu i nemešanje u njihov život i običaje, i niko lokalne Čečene ne pokušava da asimiluje, čak šta više ogromni finansijski resursi i subvencije se ulažu u Čečeniju, tako da i jedni i drugi su shvatili da je ovakva situacija win win za obe strane. Sličan rezon je i kod Tibetanca i Kine, i mislim da i kinesko rukovodstvi, pa i lokalni ljudi u Tibetu to savršeno jasno razumeju.
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Great video from a railway engineering perspective, but stay away from politics please. The Tibet Autonomous Region sees over 90% of its schoolchildren receive a full bilingual education in Standard Tibetan and Mandarin. Native tribes in the US, for example, have had their very language targeted for complete erasure by the US government. If you are going to criticize "dilution of native culture" in a train video, then every single railways video where you cover a line in the settler colonial United States should include harsh criticism of the government's use of railways in genocide of the native populations there and the ongoing persecution towards the natives. If you're not willing to do this, then you shouldn't think to criticize a popular, non settler colonial nation halfway around the world from you that is developing infrastructure for all the people groups in the nation.
"non settler colonial nation"
the africans, the tibetans, the uyghurs would not agree that china is non settler.
if you are going to criticise the video, then you shouldn't engage in the same behaviour.
i can't tell who is worse.,. the china bots or the russian bots...
China has been building the most huge projects in the world.
If Tibet had been left as it were, there would still be serfdom. Tibet is no less part of China than Siberia is part of Russia.
I remember watching a documentary about this line on Discovery way back. It's no doubt engineering marvel but also a threat to India and Tibet.
Everything that moves is a threat to the great Bharat!
Jai hind!
Threat to Tibet 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣
Victim of West 😝😝😝😝
Free occupied South Tibet of poor India.
All the Tibetans outside of China are the decendant of all those Slave Masters, including the Dalai Lama, who enslaved 95% of their fellow Tibetans. All the Slave Masters have lost all their previliges when Tibet was liberated from these evil Slave Masters and they all ran away to India. If these Slave Masters did not ran to India, all the liberated enslaved Tibetans will burn all these Slave Masters alive.
To all the liberated enslaved Tibetans, they are already in "Free Tibet". But the Slave Masters' 'free tibet' is to enslave their former poor Tibetans again. All the Slave Masters might lie to some people, but you cannot lie to all other people at the same time.
Let me remind everyone, all the Slave Masters used to skin their slaves alive or chop off their hands if they do not pay their debts to their Slave Masters. All these evil were also recorded by Western reporters even before the coming of this present Communist Government in 1951.
How stupid and ridiculous those people say it is to strengthen the immigration of Han Chinese to Tibet, as if to say it is American immigration to Alaska, haha😂 these people should strengthen the basic knowledge training of CIA
Well, Sinicization is a process well-documented over centuries of Chinese history. Better infrastructure from the capital to the constituent state invetibly increases the control of the central government over the said state. So without a doubt Beijing will find it easy to silence any opposition and align Tibet to its political interests. Well done for the incredible engineering effort though.
I wonder if the Tibetans feel the same way as you do about that. Of course they're not allowed to say it in public....
@@anime0965 China builds infrastructure to suppress the opposition. The United States has built more railway miles than any country in the world. Why don't you advertise that they are to suppress the local opposition?You are disgusting,stupid stuff🤢
@@David-rn4nf Use some logic and learn some Chinese, Tibetans are not treated as American Indians.
you are right. people are ignorant too.
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tibet has never been a modern independent country. the current Dalai Lama himself has shifted positions MANY times between independence and his version of autonomy, depending on the foreign influences and support he got at the time. lol if you really know how old tibet was run by Dalai's theocracy, you would definitely agree today's tibet is free indeed. it was a Tibetan people's liberation when his dark age theocracy was toppled by the PLA. of course, since it's china, you would always get western propaganda lies fed to you. the most ironic and telling thing is Dalai's peace prize. a religious head, whose ascension required child gang rape and human sacrifice (now banned -- as part of chinese "culture genosite of tibet"), apparently embodies peace and love in the definition of Nobel peace prize. sure you now understand Hitler almost got the same prize. lol
Dont forget Obomber.He did get it. That prize is worthless.
Exploitation and developement are both sides of the same coin, stability and forced assimilation are too. Are there any more coin analogies? Oh yes, since India is a superpower in the works, and history has taught us that the distancing of superpowers' spheres of influence is a foundamental precondition for world peace, the territory of Tibet will forever be cursed with contentiousness and strife, independent or not, on the other hand Tibet will also be a major power broker for regional stability and exert disproportionate geopolitical influence on the rest of the world.
"incredible superpower india" is a *3RDWORLDSHIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEE that MAY some day become an "economic power" BUT BY THE TIME THAT HAPPENS EVERYONE ALIVE RIGHT NOW WILL BE LOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG DEAD AND GONE BY THEN............*
15:20 And territorial disputes w/ India.
Tibet Tiles be like:
Railway construction cost: +80%
Logistics bombing vulnerability: +500%
The last two comments in your video show ur biased color, disappointed
1. This seems like such an unnecessary project outside of "political reasons".
2. How did China manage to build that for the cost of a single metro line in the US or 1/24th the cost of CAHSR...
Bit concerned about your 'facts', and who supplied them! You talk about electrical power supply yet I cannot see for provision to locomotives so they must be diesel powered then?
The rail line is not electrified and trains are diesel-powered, but you still need the power supply for the station, various control systems etc.
How long will these structures last ?
50 Years ?
or more perhaps ?
It will depend on the structure itself. Bridges which were constructed to a high standard and are well maintained could probably last over 100 years. Simple track requires regular maintenance, but could last much longer.
Don't worry, it will last longer than any Endian imagined projects
*YOU mean like the "incredible superpower india" mahatma gandhi setu that started to fall apart and crumble after a decade of completion due to "incredible superpower india" "incredible" building "standards" and maintenance "standards"?*
It depends on how brainwashed you are. Or maybe global warming.
.looo.o(●´з`)♡
1865 was during the 100 years of humiliation, Tibet/China, that border should be the top of the mountains( like 500 miles west). By the time the second route to China gets done in 2035, India will have a better say in world affairs and so China may well be helping them out. The Tibet people will all get to go home someday.
Yes, all Tibetans in occupied South Tibet should go home to Tibet and the PLA should liberate South Tibet from poor India.
Long live British Raj
great subject matter. too bad you can't help but bring western imperialist politics into the video
The engineering part of these railways in Tibet is impressive. The social and geopolitical aspects are sad. One thing that strikes me is to take these environmental considerations and run diesel locomotives at such a high altitude is strange. I understand the additional costs to electrify the line would have been exorbitant but they would have dramatically lowered the carbon footprint in such a pristine environment. Nevertheless, I hope to ride Beijing to Lhassa one even if it would be a bittersweet ride.
The cost of railway electrification is too high, and the current transportation volume is not very high (the section from Golmud to Lhasa is a non-electrified single-track railway). Diesel locomotives are a better choice for these situations. For example, JR Hokkaido in Japan has a large number of diesel locomotives for services within Hokkaido.
10:15 LOL, is that why water is so polluted in the PRC?
@Taiwan Isnotacountry When did the Republic of China ("Taiwan") cease to exist? Can you tell me?
Can you point me to when all KMT forces were defeated? Or when the RoC surrendered to the PRC?
@Taiwan Isnotacountry "Why is poor India ranked 101st on the hunger index of 116 countries?"
Do you care to explain why Mao let so many people starve during his reign of terror?
@Taiwan Isnotacountry "If the Chinese Island of Taiwan is an independent country, then where are the embassies of the Chinese Island of Taiwan and where are the embassies they host?"
Way to not answer the question.
Let me ask it again, since you seem to need to be told something twice, or more.
When did the Republic of China cease to exist?
And the existence of an embassy does not make a country a country. But you're just repeating CCP lines that you think are valid, but they are not.
Maybe you're a prisoner being forced to do this, which is why you just copy and paste so much, not actually showing any intelligence.
@Taiwan Isnotacountry "People died in the PRC because the West didnt sent aid."
People died in the PRC due to Mao's horrible plans. People died in the PRC because Deng Xiaoping murdered them in Tiananmen Square. People die in the PRC because the CCP harvests their organs and sell them. People die in the PRC because the CCP has polluted land and water so much. People die in the PRC because the CCP doesn't give assistance to those that need it. People die in the PRC because zero-covid measures prevent them from getting medical help then need. People died in the PRC because of the 1-child policy (forced abortions).
And if you think Mao would've accepted aid from anyone, you're a fool.
@Taiwan Isnotacountry The UN is not a nation or a governing body. It's an NGO.
Try again, loser.
You still have yet to answer the question, of when did the Republic of China cease to exist.
You CCP brainless bots just repeat useless things, hoping someone as brainless as you will believe what you say.
15:22: "This was a story about..."
Thanks for also including some critizism into your video. I debated back and forth whether I should watch the video as I want so support chinese imperialism and genocide as little as possible.
All the Tibetans outside of China are the decendant of all those Slave Masters, including the Dalai Lama, who enslaved 95% of their fellow Tibetans. All the Slave Masters have lost all their previliges when Tibet was liberated from these evil Slave Masters and they all ran away to India. If these Slave Masters did not ran to India, all the liberated enslaved Tibetans will burn all these Slave Masters alive.
To all the liberated enslaved Tibetans, they are already in "Free Tibet". But the Slave Masters' 'free tibet' is to enslave their former poor Tibetans again. All the Slave Masters might lie to some people, but you cannot lie to all other people at the same time.
Let me remind everyone, all the Slave Masters used to skin their slaves alive or chop off their hands if they do not pay their debts to their Slave Masters. All these evil were also recorded by Western reporters even before the coming of this present Communist Government in 1951.
very biased opinion.
After 3 brutal days of altitude sickness in Lhasa, I remember feeling a lot better half an hour after stepping on this train. The carriages are built like planes, they are all pressurized. That was during the Hu Jintao years, a period of more openness for China which unfortunately pretty much ended with Xi Jinping's increased authoritarianism. It's difficult enough to breathe at Lhasa's altitude as it is, can't imagine what it must be like with a mask mandate.
It was better when Chinese hookers were cheaper and every bar that catered to foreigners had open drug-peddling and I could do whatever I wanted. Damn I miss the old days!
i think your biggest issue with these videos is the raft of bot YT accounts( along with FB and twitter) all leaping to defend chinas behaviour, that is not going to go anyway anytime soon.
The railway was obviously built for polictical purposes, its just not economical regardless of the marvel of engineering it is.
the second railway from chengdu may appear to be economical, but its also a political and military strategic plan. Its a backup should the main tibet line go down for any reason at all and they need another way to ship in troops for any "rebellion" or setting up of re education camps( eg uyghurs). Not to mention the chinese govt is attempting to push forward its borders with india and pakistan
if anyone feels that china is "bringing glorious benefits to oppressed peoples", then let the tibetans self determine and offer to build a railway connecting them to nepal and india??
Stick to railway stuff. The history is western myth & propaganda. The Tibetan empire was integral to China. The region between 1911 and return to China government 1951 was controlled by warlords who enslaved millions, The outlying Theocratic Buddhist sect was self appointed and not of the people.n.b the last foreign occupier was British who invaded Tibet in 1903 to make it an Indian colony, they were kicked out by the Qing army . The religious sect made a power grab after collapse of Qing empire.More ethnic Tibetans live in Sechuan and Qinghai provinces ( more prosperous) but in 2023 over 4 million people visited (many by train!) making tourism a major income, ... The railway Line to Nepal will be impressive
This construction is only a political decision because there is no chance of paying for it from operations. For this project, it is very likely that the annual revenue will not cover the annual maintenance costs. It doesn't make economic sense.
It doesn't make sense for a company trying to make a profit, but makes a lot of sense if it ends up boosting economic growth in the region. More tax revenue might make up for the subsidies needed.
Yes, logic behind HSR system in China and their view of 'profitability' is quite different than typical 'western' reasoning.
It’s called externality in economics.
This is an example of providing basic government services to an underdeveloped region. This line is a game changer when it comes to shipping costs. Public roads and railways are never built to make a profit. It's a matter of how much of a loss is acceptable.
This kind of infrastruction is a service provided by the goverment and auaranteed by the taxation of the whole country. Roads,railways,airports,electricity and communication services in remote areas are not profitable. How can remote areas develop if the goverment do not provide these kind of service?
Nice video again and I'm very happy you guys at least, briefly, touched on the underlying politics of this project. Major infrastructure projects are always intertwined with politics and not really separable. Unfortunately there seem to be a lot of sympathizers of the Chinese Communist Party in the comments spreading misinformation.
Free Tibet!
You must have just come out of your cave.
Tibet has been liberated for decades and safely back in the womb of China.
Now go back to sleep in your cave.
Misinformation is when Tibet is free!
Tibet is already free from the feudal lord's
My condolences to victim of WEST🙃🙃🙃🙃
Tibet was never an independent country every since 1200 AD
Your last statement is correct in my opinion. It is China's goal to dominate and control as much territory as it can. The Tibetan culture should be preserved and allowed to thrive with out interference from any foreign entity,
Tibet is china.. right!?
you fucking westerners wipe out many nations, yet have the nerve to bitch about Tibet which is part of China almost throughout the history. CCP liberated 2 million serfs from slavery for fuck sake, they had no human rights whatsoever and you westerners never cares. Your race is a Disgusting race
@@oscarme862 Tibet was more or less an Independent state before it got invaded and annexed in the 1950s. It is historically and culturally a separate entity from China.
@@Tealice1 i understand ur statment..it was but now its not..now its part of china recognised by every international entitiy!
We can say Texas was part of Mexica..yes..but now its part of USA andd thus USA has the right to decide what to do with it..
The same applies to chinas Tibet i guess!!
@@oscarme862 I don't think the comparison with Texas is particularly useful here. Tibet is de facto and de jure, part of the Peoples Republic of China, no doubt about that. The difference is that Tibet is violently forced to be a part of this state, not by their own free decision. And when you are talking about a railway in Tibetan part of China, it is important to acknowledge and differentiate these two.
Awful Chi Na Project
If the CCP ever tries again to take land from India it will be very important to destroy this RR line.
China has no interest in taking land from India, it's already overpopulated and highly polluted. There are, however, unsettle borders that two sides have clashes over, it's more of a national esteem thing for both sides than anything..
Modi had carelessly leaked that China had not intruded "one-inch" into Indian territory when he was "pressured" by his nation's pro-opposition parties media. Do you even know what was the cause of the 2021 border bare-hands skirmishes between the border guards? It was the US Intelligence that used satellite surveillance information to inform India that PLA is constructing access roads on the Chinese LAC.